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Vegas Sooner
4/14/2006, 11:14 AM
.....ok...so they have to give him at least 2 years. I say if they dont get to the sweet 16/elite 8 in the next three years they will be calling for his head-(well....they already are.)
I say 4 years at most.

birddog
4/14/2006, 11:18 AM
0-6 years.

OUstud
4/14/2006, 04:08 PM
Until he loses to Manhattan/Indiana State in the tournament.

NickZeppelin
4/14/2006, 04:31 PM
Probably around 10 years.

stoopified
4/14/2006, 11:35 PM
Probably around 10 years.You sre joking right?Unless he is much better than .500 in the NCAA he will not last 4 years.Are you forgetting this IS a bakeball school?If a .500 record in the NCAA and only 1 league title in 12 years has you on thin ice at OU it will get you crushed like the Titanic in four years at IU.

On the other hand if he IS the Second Coming of Knight at IU they will make him Lord Knight the Second,Ruler of Bloomington and saviour of Indiana basketball.Sort of the basketball equal of Bob Stoops.

Personally I am thinking 4 years or less.I think he will have some measure of sucess but fall short of the Knightly goals demanded by the round-ball masses.

sanantoniosooner
4/14/2006, 11:37 PM
.....ok...so they have to give him at least 2 years. I say if they dont get to the sweet 16/elite 8 in the next three years they will be calling for his head-(well....they already are.)
I say 4 years at most.
This Kelvin thing is really working you over, isn't it?

bigdsooner
4/15/2006, 12:11 AM
i like kelvin, i just thought it was time for him to move on. i hope he stays @ iu for a long time. good luck coach sampson

Soonerus
4/15/2006, 12:39 AM
I predict 5 or less...

King Crimson
4/15/2006, 01:08 AM
Kelvin is a good fit in the big 10.

NickZeppelin
4/15/2006, 01:12 AM
From 2000-2005 in the NCAA Tournament Kelvin Sampson was 11-6 with 1 first round exit. If he has a tourney record like that at Indiana he'll be there for 10+ years. Plus the Big 10 is a good fit for his style. I think this next year it'll be tough for Kelvin like it will be for our coach here. I doubt either of em make a tourney run. If OU makes the NCAA Tourney next year it's a great year IMO.

SleestakSooner
4/15/2006, 01:46 AM
I hope the Big XII coaches underestimate how "capelble" our new coach is too. He will be a great coach for OU.

Kelvin was a damned good one too and if given a chance he will do well and stay at IU as long as he likes. If not then he may suffer the same fate as Blake did here in football.

SOONER44EVER
4/15/2006, 01:57 AM
I see Kelvin being there a long time. Probably 10-15 years.

King Crimson
4/15/2006, 02:05 AM
If not then he may suffer the same fate as Blake did here in football.

Blake earned his own fate by having the first 3 consecutive losing seasons in a row since the 1920's.

Gandalf_The_Grey
4/15/2006, 05:25 AM
Hey guys....Sampson is gone now, we don't have to belittle his immense(or in you guy's opinion none) contributions to the basketball team and the University any more. I would say wait until Capel loses his first lead or has her first scoring drought and the crowd will turn on him, but I am already reading "well if he is more exciting, I might catch a game" Not exactly Dukean type support there.

walkoffsooner
4/15/2006, 11:02 AM
3 years I don't know why but I hope he has a terrible team.I liked him when he was here, but I sure like the new coach also I just want to when a NC.

jccouger
4/15/2006, 11:48 AM
If he sucks at IU and gets canned, and our new coach sucks do you think we would take kelvin back?

OUstud
4/15/2006, 12:18 PM
No.

Total_Ignorance_Hour
4/15/2006, 12:45 PM
Mike Davis was at IU for six years, right? He went to the national championship game in 2002, but otherwise I don't think he made a Sweet 16. OK, Kelvin was 9-6 from 2000-2006; an earlier post was an error. He won 8 games at OU while Davis was winning 7 at Indiana (2000-06). I honestly think his fate will be the same. 6 years, more or less, unless the graduation tanks or he has more problems with recruits. The fans will get restless ealrier, but IU administration will hold on to him as long as possible. He is their project.

Total_Ignorance_Hour
4/15/2006, 12:47 PM
Correction to my post above: Davis won 7 games in the NCAAs from the '01 to the '06 tourney. Kelvin won 8 games in that time.

NickZeppelin
4/15/2006, 01:05 PM
Kelvin won 7 games in the Final 4 and Elite 8 years and combined and I know he's won 2 others over Winthrop and Niagra. From the 2000 Tourney to the 05 Tourney Kelvin had 11 wins. There's only few programs with a better record then that.

Vegas Sooner
4/15/2006, 03:47 PM
This Kelvin thing is really working you over, isn't it?

not really

jacru
4/15/2006, 05:20 PM
.....ok...so they have to give him at least 2 years. I say if they dont get to the sweet 16/elite 8 in the next three years they will be calling for his head-(well....they already are.)
I say 4 years at most.
I expect close to that from Capel, though we won't call for his head so quickly. Kelvin will do well at IU.

NickZeppelin
4/15/2006, 05:36 PM
If Kelvin gets good guards and IU which he didn't have here since Hollis Price left. He'll do well. Win about 25 games every year like he was doing at OU.

But if the 2 struggle compared to their programs standards Capel will get more time. Just because he's got no experience as a head coach. When Kelvin was hired. He had already been a coach for 15 years and a head coach for 10 of those 15 years. Capel will be in his 7th year of coaching this year. 5th year as a head coach.

Gandalf_The_Grey
4/15/2006, 06:10 PM
I am just shocked that the hatred of Sampson is so severe that you guys won't admit that he is at the very worst, a really good coach.

Total_Ignorance_Hour
4/17/2006, 07:45 AM
Kelvin won 7 games in the Final 4 and Elite 8 years and combined and I know he's won 2 others over Winthrop and Niagra. From the 2000 Tourney to the 05 Tourney Kelvin had 11 wins. There's only few programs with a better record then that.

I said you were wrong and you just said the flasehood again.

2000: 1-1
2001: 0-1
2002: 4-1
2003: 3-1
2004: 0-0
2005: 1-1
2006: 0-1

Let's do some math, Nick, and see what you come up with. 9-6.

Total_Ignorance_Hour
4/17/2006, 07:52 AM
I am just shocked that the hatred of Sampson is so severe that you guys won't admit that he is at the very worst, a really good coach.

He is a good coach. He can win with less than great talent. If your program has been down, he'll get you to the tournament.

But he is not a great coach. His style or whatever you want to call it refuses to adapt to his talent. And it doesn't work with talented players.

So whether Kelvin is a good fit depends on your expectations. I think Indiana's are probably too high for Kelvin.

NickZeppelin
4/17/2006, 09:49 AM
I said you were wrong and you just said the flasehood again.

2000: 1-1
2001: 0-1
2002: 4-1
2003: 3-1
2004: 0-0
2005: 1-1
2006: 0-1

Let's do some math, Nick, and see what you come up with. 9-6.

I was counting the Sweet 16 year which was in 1999. That would have made it 11-7

Total_Ignorance_Hour
4/17/2006, 10:33 AM
Kelvin won 7 games in the Final 4 and Elite 8 years and combined and I know he's won 2 others over Winthrop and Niagra. From the 2000 Tourney to the 05 Tourney Kelvin had 11 wins. There's only few programs with a better record then that.

Kelvin had 2 very good teams, no doubt. And from 1999-2005, he won 11 games. A good accomplishment, certainly, but one equalled by Oklahoma State I might add. And for the total time he was here, he went 11-11 in NCAA games, while Kansas went 24-12 (I don't think it's a big deal if someone is outgunned by Kansas), Oklahoma State was 16-9 and Texas was 16-11 (being less successful than these two is a big deal). Being the fourth most successful program in your conference during your tenure is not bad, but it's far from great.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
4/17/2006, 02:28 PM
There is a more pressing question.

How do tribbles multiply and does it have anything to do with Wilt Chamberlain?

sanantoniosooner
4/17/2006, 05:57 PM
Kelvin had 2 very good teams, no doubt. And from 1999-2005, he won 11 games. A good accomplishment, certainly, but one equalled by Oklahoma State I might add. And for the total time he was here, he went 11-11 in NCAA games, while Kansas went 24-12 (I don't think it's a big deal if someone is outgunned by Kansas), Oklahoma State was 16-9 and Texas was 16-11 (being less successful than these two is a big deal). Being the fourth most successful program in your conference during your tenure is not bad, but it's far from great.
May I call you totally ignorant for short?

Get off Kelvin. He's gone. It's done. Go back to your real handle.

SoonerShark
4/17/2006, 07:46 PM
The first day up there, he claimed people will be making movies and writing books about his time at IU. He then brought up the fact that early in his career at Michigan State he contributed to them winning the National Championship and at Oklahoma he won three straight conference tourneys. He went on and on about how the only reason IU had any championships was that they cheated.

Total_Ignorance_Hour
4/18/2006, 07:37 AM
May I call you totally ignorant for short?

Get off Kelvin. He's gone. It's done. Go back to your real handle.

You may. And that's my original handle.

Stoop Dawg
4/25/2006, 10:42 PM
not really

Yes, really.

A better question is How long with Capel last at OU?

spaceman
4/26/2006, 12:23 AM
I am just shocked that the hatred of Sampson is so severe that you guys won't admit that he is at the very worst, a really good coach.If that's the case, where would you rate his contemporary Tom Izzo at Michigan State?

Vegas Sooner
4/26/2006, 12:36 AM
I think he is a great coach---didnt want him to go. I think w/ the pressure of IU fans and the NCAA probs that it will catch up to him. I really think the hoosiers have some real time before they find themselves in the great situation that they were in before. I hope Kelvin does well,...and I know he will---but he got crap at OU for doing a GREAT JOB!.....and the 'necks didnt like him etc, b/c they think you get a championship every year. It is that simple. He was a great coach.

okienole3
4/26/2006, 01:02 AM
It is amazing how little Nick knows about anything.

Gandalf_The_Grey
4/26/2006, 09:45 AM
Umm Well at the very worst...Izzo is a Really REALLY good coach and it wouldn't be a stretch to say he is one of the very best coaches. Izzo is one of the Top 10 coaches in the country...I would put Sampson in the Top 30 area. Those are my opinions though.


P.S. Billy Tubbs isn't in the Top 200 anymore...Lamar sucks

Hoosier Dynasty
5/2/2006, 10:55 AM
I hesitate to guess how long Kelvin will last at IU without him having coached one game at IU. However, I can tell you what he must do at a minimum:

No losing seasons (Davis brought IU first losing season since the 60's)

NCAA Tournament appearance every year (Davis broke the nation's second longest streak of appearance - and at that, he did it back to back)

Strong Performances in the NCAA (first round exits are what got RMK fired in as much as he was fired for behavior).

Win Big Ten Titles or be in contention (3rd or 4th place was always fine for MD)

sanantoniosooner
5/2/2006, 01:09 PM
Sounds like Kelvin may be your Schnelley.

SleestakSooner
5/2/2006, 05:01 PM
Has anyone gotten a quote from Bobby Knight on how he feels about Kelvin Sampson taking his old job?

From body language alone at the Sooners games it was pretty apparent that Knight doesn't care at all for Sampson.

Just curious how the old *** hole feels about this strange twist of fate.

Hoosier Dynasty
5/3/2006, 08:59 AM
Sampson's first big test (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060503/SPORTS0601/605030472)

CatfishSooner
5/3/2006, 11:49 PM
2 months...