your Texas Rangers

[Beef]

You could see that brawl coming since the day before when Padilla decided to plunk a few Angels. There was no way that this series was going to end without a good old bench clearing fisticuffs.
When Laird called time and looked over to the dugout, I knew the next pitch was it. Would it have happened if the Angels had stopped at hitting Young?

[jk the sooner fan]

When Laird called time and looked over to the dugout, I knew the next pitch was it. Would it have happened if the Angels had stopped at hitting Young?

i think they expected to get hit at some point, they threw behind Kinsler, and then plunked Young in the back, and at that point i think the debt was settled

then Donnelly comes in and hits Cruz - i knew at that point we'd see another HBP.....i thought Feldman picked the perfect hitter - 2 outs in the top of the 9th, nobody on base.......although he and Adam Kennedy both throw punches like girls...

[GrapevineSooner]

Glad you girls got that slap fight out of your system. See you tomorrow night.

:)

I was thinking the same thing.

Who throws punches sidearmed? Now we know. ;)

[mrowl]

DeRosas tackle was AWESOME.

[GrapevineSooner]

Memo to Feldman,

This is how you fight someone who charges the mound.

http://www.dallasnews.com/img/photo/08-02/Loper_sports.jpg

[Paperclip]

except possibly helling

Helling actually threw a perfect game in OKC.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

none of them came up thru the rangers farm system - except possibly helling.....the rest came up thru different organizations and were acquired via trades....

so your point is moot

Actually just pitching and leaving from Texas is a great move....I mean hell who would have ever thought Darren Oliver would be a decent pitcher :P

[walkoffsooner]

seen better fights in a buffet line.:D

[BeetDigger]

The quality of the fighting is immaterial. Its the fact that they went to blows. This could be a catalyst for the Rangers for the rest of the year. It could be one for the Angels too. Right now the Rangers have about six weeks to get back six games and a lot of games against the west ahead. It's not probable, but it is possible.

[mrowl]

we should also mention that the pu**y Padilla didn't even come out of the dugout. Thanks for the help.

[colleyvillesooner]

we should also mention that the pu**y Padilla didn't even come out of the dugout. Thanks for the help.
http://colleyvillesooner.com/stuff/BigMad.jpg

[mrowl]

From the DMN:

Major League Baseball has suspended Rangers manager Buck Showalater for four games, pitcher Vicente Padilla for five games and pitcher Scott Feldman for six games for their roles in bean ball incidents against Angels. Padilla will miss his start Saturday. Feldman's suspension will begin after Padilla's ends. Showalter's suspension begins tonight.

[Paperclip]

From the DMN:

Major League Baseball has suspended Rangers manager Buck Showalater for four games, pitcher Vicente Padilla for five games and pitcher Scott Feldman for six games for their roles in bean ball incidents against Angels. Padilla will miss his start Saturday. Feldman's suspension will begin after Padilla's ends. Showalter's suspension begins tonight.

Gee, Buck's going to miss the whole series against the Tigers. Probably fortunate for him. :)

[colleyvillesooner]

Can he appeal it and miss the four game stint against TB.

[mrowl]

I was thinking its gonna be fortunate for us Rangers Fans, I think this team is VERY fed up with Bucks antics.

[colleyvillesooner]

The Ticket just said the suspension would start tonight.

[mrowl]

Angels suspensions:

Donnelly 4, Gregg 4, Kennedy 4, Roenicke 1, Scioscia 3

John Lackey and Juan Rivera were fined.

[mrowl]

damnit. I forgot the game started at 6.

[colleyvillesooner]

Bases loaded, no outs and we only score 1...on a walk.

[colleyvillesooner]

Well 7 starts after the break, Rogers gets his first win. And just to rub it in my face, he bets my Rangers.

5 innings, 2 Runs, 4 walks. He left with the bases loaded and no outs in the 6th, but Zumaya and his 101 mph fastball bailed him out.

Oh well, even a blind squirrel.... ;)

[Scott D]

we should also mention that the pu**y Padilla didn't even come out of the dugout. Thanks for the help.

his being suspended is about 3 months too late imo.

[mrowl]

Big win last night, Millwood pitched lights out. And Otsuka had his most crucial save of this season.

And add the 2 losses that Oakland had last night to KC. The Rangers are 5.5 back now.

[Paperclip]

Otsuka stranding a running on third with no outs was impressive, albeit disappointing to me.

[jk the sooner fan]

woohoo, go rangers.....

[Paperclip]

Where did this pitching come from?

[jk the sooner fan]

oklahoma city! :)

[soonerjoker]

saw where coco has 9 saves & allowed zero runs since leaving the rangers.

[jk the sooner fan]

saw where coco has 9 saves & allowed zero runs since leaving the rangers.

yeah, once the national league hitters figure him out, then let me know his numbers..

[mrowl]

SWEET!!! YOSSHAAAAA!!!!

otsuka is money again!

3-1, great road trip so far!!!

[GrapevineSooner]

YOSSSHAAAAA to the entire bullpen today.

And to the offense for picking up Koronka and letting him off the hook.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Padilla has got us fired up ;)

[Paperclip]

I'm naseous.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

The Universe is slowly realigning, Detroit sucks again ;)

[mrowl]

well that didn't work out to well.

crap.

[Paperclip]

Now what kind of freakin' sense does that make? :mad:

[colleyvillesooner]

Win three of four on the road at the team with the best record in baseball, then lose to a team that has won about 10 games since the break.

We ****ing suck.

[soonerjoker]

former philadelphia team rallies from 8 down.

former 2nd base person gets 41st. 2 times closest ranger.

[BeetDigger]

former philadelphia team rallies from 8 down.

former 2nd base person gets 41st. 2 times closest ranger.


Name a team that has traded players who only get worse and never have good years. Piazza used to play for the Dodgers didn't he? How's he done since leaving them? It seems as if he had a few good years with the Mets.

[colleyvillesooner]

Name a team that has traded players who only get worse and never have good years. Piazza used to play for the Dodgers didn't he? How's he done since leaving them? It seems as if he had a few good years with the Mets.

He should be able to get one. Nomar :D

[BeetDigger]

He should be able to get one. Nomar :D


Exactly. Now that said, the trades Daniels has made seem a bit too lopsided against the Rangers. A good number of the players have performed better for their new team than how the new players have played for the Rangers. None of them have been blockbusters however where there will be long term damage to the Rangers and it will probably even out over time.

[mrowl]

F'ing F.

Carlos Lee has switched agents. And of course he had to pick Boras.





And...



Surprise, Padilla has already hit 2 guys.

[jk the sooner fan]

Surprise, Padilla has already hit 2 guys.

neither of them intentional

[mrowl]

neither of them intentional

true, but it wasn't a suprise!



and this is sooooooooooooo typical of the rangers.

[mrowl]

PA-THE-TIC.

Lee and Tex both strike out.

[mrowl]

I think I am going to throw up.

4-3 Rays, bottom of the 8th. The Rangers just left 2 guys on with the TOP of the order.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i111/MikeSimonek/bag.gif

[mrowl]

its gotta be official. Buck has lost this team.

Can we put him back on suspension?

5-3 Rays.

[mrowl]

damnit. now they are giving me hope.

2 on, no outs, top of 9th

[jk the sooner fan]

unbelievable

we take 3 out of 4 from the tigers, and then lose 2 straight to the freakin devil rays

this team doesnt deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs

[colleyvillesooner]

unbelievable

we take 3 out of 4 from the tigers, and then lose 2 straight to the freakin devil rays

this team doesnt deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs

Totally agree. I hope the "team" tanks from here on out, we get to see the young pitchers come up, and Buck gets fired.

[mrowl]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i111/MikeSimonek/bag.gif

FIRE BUCK!

[colleyvillesooner]

Kenny Rogers Update:

has a fine outing for the second game in a row:

7 IP, 4 hits, 0 runs, ERA 4.14

[Paperclip]

Kenny Rogers Update:

has a fine outing for the second game in a row:

7 IP, 4 hits, 0 runs, ERA 4.14

You know, I was going to mention that, but just didn't. :)

[colleyvillesooner]

You know, I was going to mention that, but just didn't. :)

You won't be :) when he costs you a playoff game. :)
;)

[Paperclip]

I would love the opportunity for him to cost me a playoff game.

[colleyvillesooner]

I would love the opportunity for him to cost me a playoff game.

heh, I hear ya.

[mrowl]

I would love the opportunity for him to cost me a playoff game.

oh man, I would love that... :(

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i111/MikeSimonek/bag.gif

[mrowl]

http://www.firebuck.com/

[AllAboutThe'O']

And we're being shutout through five innings by Casey Fossum. Casey Fossum?!
I knew things were too good to be true once we left Detroit. Because this is the classic "trap" series, right after Detroit and before we host the A's. And we're not playing with a sense of urgency right now.

[mrowl]

soooo typical.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i111/MikeSimonek/bag.gif

[AllAboutThe'O']

How can we win series in Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota and Toronto and go .500 in Boston, New York and Baltimore and come into a four-game series at lowly Tampa Bay and maybe go into the hole at 0-3?
About as preposterous as the Yankees going into Fenway and sweeping a five-game series over the Red Sox only to turn around and lose to a Mariners team riding an 11-game losing streak. Oh wait, that did happen.

[AllAboutThe'O']

Finally, we've awoke. Tex goes yard and we're down 3-2 now.

[mrowl]

this isn't surprising news, but Hairston SUCKS.

[mrowl]

F This. Rock Star is on.

[AllAboutThe'O']

Check out my new modified signature beyonces.:mad: :D
Move over Yanks, Ozzie and Adam Kennedy. The D-Rays have suddenly become the Rangers' Most Hated.:mad:

[AllAboutThe'O']

A blast from the past, the last time we stumbled around like drunks at Tropicana Field:

"We're a big joke now, a great big f****** pathetic joke of a baseball franchise.
We can't pitch, we can't hit in the clutch, we can't field, we can't do anything right. We get screwed by the umpires, opposing players, opposing fans and the freakin' American League.
We've got no heart, we've got selfish people, we've got no direction. This team has quit on its fans, themselves and the sport of baseball.
We've got no owner, we've got no GM, we've got no manager.
We're so bad right now, the Royals have a better win percentage the last two weeks than us.
At least with the Royals, you knew they would be bad. There are no excuses with this team. This is a team that contended for the division last year. This is a team that was contending for the division two months ago. This is a team that is better than .500. This is a team that has no business losing 12 out of its last 13 games. This is a team that has no business being anywhere near last place in our division.
Freaking' Kenny Rogers has forgotten how to pitch. Why don't you go shove a few more cameramen, now you jerk.
And Tex, why don't you stop worrying about your contract situation and play like the player you're capable of playing.
And for the love of Pete (O'Brien and Incaviglia) get C.J. Wilson the heck off this team NOW.
This is embarrassing. We can't even beat the freakin' Devil Rays. This is insulting. This is the darkest day I've ever had as a Ranger fan, and there have been many.
Blow this team the heck up now and start over. This team ain't going nowhere this season or next or the year after.
Rant finally over. And schedule-maker, never, never, ever put us on a two-week road trip EVER again.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:"

I guess I should end this retro rant by saying, schedule-maker, never, never, ever let us play two series at Tropicana Field EVER again.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[BeetDigger]

How can we win series in Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota and Toronto and go .500 in Boston, New York and Baltimore and come into a four-game series at lowly Tampa Bay and maybe go into the hole at 0-3?
About as preposterous as the Yankees going into Fenway and sweeping a five-game series over the Red Sox only to turn around and lose to a Mariners team riding an 11-game losing streak. Oh wait, that did happen.


That pretty much describes baseball for, oh, the past 100 years or so. Well, who knows if it was like that 100 years ago but for the past 35 ithas been like that.

[soonerjoker]

this road trip is much better than the one last year, where they lost 12 out of 13.

[AllAboutThe'O']

Wow, pinch me, I must be dreaming. The Rangers actually won a game in Tampa Bay.:rolleyes:
All things considered, going 4-4 on a trip to Detroit and Tampa Bay is still nothing to sneeze at. Plus, since the All-Star break, it's our third straight road trip where we finished .500 or better.
Now it's time to put the A's in their place back at the friendly confines this weekend. We also have a home-heavy schedule to finish the season, so we've got to keep taking care of business like we did on the previous homestand.

[Paperclip]

I'll actually be at the Rangers/A's Friday night.

[colleyvillesooner]

Zito has a no hitter through the 6th. :mad:

A's 3
R's 0
End 6

[colleyvillesooner]

No-No through 7.

Zito hasn't pitched a complete game in almost 3 years.

Now he sits one walk away from a perfect game bid.

Still 3-0 A's

[colleyvillesooner]

Derosa breaks up the no hitter.

Now, let's turn this into some runs.

[jk the sooner fan]

and DeRo ends it with a single in the 8th

[colleyvillesooner]

slowpoke

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

sadly this is good for me, DeRosa is in my fantasy lineup as is Zito :(

[GrapevineSooner]

1-4 since Buck returned to the dugout.

[mrowl]

done the rangers are.

[Paperclip]

Well, I thought I was going to get to see a no-hitter.

[soonerjoker]

no comments on the 2nd game, & being 9 games out ???

[mrowl]

no comments on the 2nd game, & being 9 games out ???

instead of trying to think of something new to say, I will repeat my posts from this time last year.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=884550&postcount=646

"I hate it when the Rangers do this"

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=879257&postcount=641

"I don't know whether to be happy that some pitchers did well... or to be ****ed off that they didn't do well in July."

[colleyvillesooner]

no comments on the 2nd game, & being 9 games out ???

Why, that's what we got your *** for.

[AllAboutThe'O']

I haven't even bothered to watch the game tonight or check the score. As hot as the A's are, no way we make up nine games on them in barely over five weeks.
Yes, I hate to say it but last night I made the declaration that they can stick a fork in us for 2006.

[Paperclip]

Well, don't start now. Padilla has a 2 hit shutout going. Rangers up 3-0.

[Paperclip]

Kenny Rogers Update:

has a fine outing for the second game in a row:

7 IP, 4 hits, 0 runs, ERA 4.14

Today vs. the Tribe:

7.0 IP
4 H
1 R
1 ER
3 BB
3 SO
4.02 ERA

[colleyvillesooner]

:mad:

;)

Padilla is back in my good graces. Not.

Nice of you to pitch like that when we are out of it.

[BeetDigger]

:mad:

;)

Padilla is back in my good graces. Not.

Nice of you to pitch like that when we are out of it.


Padilla, while being an *** in many ways, has pitched pretty well overall. He's one win shy of his career high. He's having just good enough of a season that it will be a difficult decision to keep him or let him walk.

[colleyvillesooner]

Padilla, while being an *** in many ways, has pitched pretty well overall. He's one win shy of his career high. He's having just good enough of a season that it will be a difficult decision to keep him or let him walk.

Yeah, I just meant we could have used outings like that when he was beaning people and getting tossed early in games.

[GrapevineSooner]

I haven't even bothered to watch the game tonight or check the score. As hot as the A's are, no way we make up nine games on them in barely over five weeks.
Yes, I hate to say it but last night I made the declaration that they can stick a fork in us for 2006.
Both of my teams are officially done after this weekend.

Boston had a good chance to climb back into things in the AL East after the Yankees went 2-4 on their swing through Seattle and Anaheim.

Unfortunately, the Red Sox matched that record when they could have easily won the last two games against the Mariners.

As such, they are done. Especially since they're facing Oakland for the next three.

As for the Rangers...

Well, let's just say they showed very little fight in this series outside of last night. Evidence that they've tuned out Buck. I say let Showalter finish the season. Then fire him on October 2nd.

[BeetDigger]

Yeah, I just meant we could have used outings like that when he was beaning people and getting tossed early in games.


I knew what you meant. The thing is, he has had, by quite a bit, the best season of any of the Ranger's starters and yet is probably not well liked in the clubhouse. I think wins outweigh most of the other things however and my guess is that they work to sign him.

[colleyvillesooner]

I knew what you meant. The thing is, he has had, by quite a bit, the best season of any of the Ranger's starters and yet is probably not well liked in the clubhouse. I think wins outweigh most of the other things however and my guess is that they work to sign him.

Yeah, I think if he pitches well the rest of the way, they can't afford not to sign him. even if he is a pud.

[mrowl]

so Young is going to get bumped to $10M this offseason

GMJ is gonna require $5M

DeRosa will be in the $3-5M

Carlos Lee turned down $45M in 5

Eaton will want around $10M

Padilla will want around $10M


Those signings alone would put the rangers payroll around $100M... not gonna happen. I think Eaton, Padilla and GMJ or DeRosa are gone.

[AllAboutThe'O']

In case anyone still cares.....

Millwood got his 13th win tonight as the Rangers beat the O's, 9-4.

[GDC]

In case anyone still cares...
:twinkies:

[Paperclip]

Another good outing for Rogers. This time vs. the Angels.


Detroit IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Rogers 7.0 4 0 0 2 2 0 3.86
(W, 15-6)

[BeetDigger]

Like I said, if he starts winning, I'll report that too.


Paperclip seems to be beating you to the punch on this. ;)

[AllAboutThe'O']

Another good outing for Rogers. This time vs. the Angels.


Detroit IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Rogers 7.0 4 0 0 2 2 0 3.86
(W, 15-6)
Would you like to start a Tigers push for the playoffs thread, 'clip?

[mrowl]

the rangers are ****ing me off. damnit.

Now they decide to start winning??? They will probably go out and lose 3 in seattle

[Beef]

Tex is en fuego. Damn. 2 HRs, 5 RBI. 'Bout time A-Rod Jr!!!!!!!

[mrowl]

And Tom Hicks said some correct things about the Rangers yesterday, but directed it at the wrong players. idiot.

[colleyvillesooner]

There's the Rangers I know!!! Blow a 4-0 lead and down 9-6 heading into the 9th. :mad:

[GrapevineSooner]

Tom Hicks should look at what he could do differently before he starts calling out players.

You know, like increase your damn payroll, jackass!

[BeetDigger]

Tom Hicks should look at what he could do differently before he starts calling out players.

You know, like increase your damn payroll, jackass!


Everytime he has done that, he has made a monumental mistake. Many of which he continues to pay for today. He currently is paying A-Rod $10 M to play for the Yankees. He is also still paying Juan Gone. I think he got out from under the Park's contract - sort of (he had to take on Nevin's so that really is a wash). That Star's championship may have been the worst thing that ever happened to the Rangers since it made Hicks think that he actually knows how to build a championship team.

[mrowl]

Everytime he has done that, he has made a monumental mistake. Many of which he continues to pay for today. He currently is paying A-Rod $10 M to play for the Yankees. He is also still paying Juan Gone. I think he got out from under the Park's contract - sort of (he had to take on Nevin's so that really is a wash). That Star's championship may have been the worst thing that ever happened to the Rangers since it made Hicks think that he actually knows how to build a championship team.

I am reminded of this from an interview with Dale Hanson...

"Unfortunately, we won a championship by doing it that way" (spending money)


The only reason Hicks still owns these teams is he turns a profit every year. Which really ****es me off. But it is a business, so I can't disagree with what he is doing. He doesn't have a law that says he has to put a championship team on the field. :mad:

[jk the sooner fan]

so let me get this straight, its ok for Kevin Wilson to call out the best player on the team (AD) because he didnt play to his potential, but its not ok for Hicks to call out Texeira who clearly didnt play to his potential?

facts are the Rangers were in a position to push for the AL west and they folded like a cheap chair at a church bazaar....if the players cant take hearing the truth from the owner, then the owner isnt the only problem

[jk the sooner fan]

increasing the payroll isnt an automatic solution to winning a world series

[mrowl]

so let me get this straight, its ok for Kevin Wilson to call out the best player on the team (AD) because he didnt play to his potential, but its not ok for Hicks to call out Texeira who clearly didnt play to his potential?

facts are the Rangers were in a position to push for the AL west and they folded like a cheap chair at a church bazaar....if the players cant take hearing the truth from the owner, then the owner isnt the only problem

But Tex has been kicking *** this 2nd half of the season, he should be calling out the pitching staff, 3rd baseman, newly acquired left fielder...

[mrowl]

increasing the payroll isnt an automatic solution to winning a world series

agree-ance. I am not saying that the top payroll is going to make me happy, just that a top 10 market team, should be top 10 in payroll.

[jk the sooner fan]

But Tex has been kicking *** this 2nd half of the season, he should be calling out the pitching staff, 3rd baseman, newly acquired left fielder...

those others arent the "leaders" of the team, and thats specifically what Hicks addressed - that the clubhouse lacked leadership

[BeetDigger]

I am reminded of this from an interview with Dale Hanson...

"Unfortunately, we won a championship by doing it that way" (spending money)


The only reason Hicks still owns these teams is he turns a profit every year. Which really ****es me off. But it is a business, so I can't disagree with what he is doing. He doesn't have a law that says he has to put a championship team on the field. :mad:


He did try to get Clemens. That he went to Houston was in spite of Hicks best efforts.

[soonerjoker]

QUESTION ???

how many times have Rangers been in play-offs ?????

(this is a serious question, no ulterior motive)

[colleyvillesooner]

3 times:

1999 AL Division Series - New York Yankees, Lost, 3-0

1998 AL Division Series - New York Yankees, Lost, 3-0

1996 AL Division Series - New York Yankees, Lost, 3-1

[colleyvillesooner]

Kenny Update:

Kenny pitching well as of late. Thanks to the others for keeping the updates going in my absence.

7 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs ERA 3.91

Post All Star break
4-3 with 4 no decisions. ERa up from 3.46 to 3.91, but brought down as of late.

[BeetDigger]

Kenny Update:

Kenny pitching well as of late. Thanks to the others for keeping the updates going in my absence.

7 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs ERA 3.91

Post All Star break
4-3 with 4 no decisions. ERa up from 3.46 to 3.91, but brought down as of late.


His pre-break ERA was 3.85 while his post break ERA is 4.02. WHiP was 1.19 pre vs 1.26 post. BAA was .256 pre vs 2.30 post.


I forgot that last year there was a rumor that he didn't want to pitch against the Red Sox or Yankees. I thought at the time Rogers is a real P**** for doing that. Although now, I wonder if it was really true.

[GrapevineSooner]

QUESTION ???

how many times have Rangers been in play-offs ?????

(this is a serious question, no ulterior motive)

CVS answered your question.

Did you actually have a point with it?

[jk the sooner fan]

CVS answered your question.

Did you actually have a point with it?

does he ever in this thread?

[soonerjoker]

Colley;
thanx !!!

Grapevine;

no point, just a question.

no, i never have a point. well, sometimes.

Colley;
3 was my guess, but a "Ranger's fan" tried to tell me it was only 2.

[colleyvillesooner]

Kenny Update:

7 innings, 10 hits, 2 runs ERA 3.86

Post All-Star break

4-3 with 5 no decisions.

Ironically, 2 of those wins are against the lowly Rangers.

[jk the sooner fan]

and GMJ hits for the cycle tonite in his first 4 at bats......

[Paperclip]

and GMJ hits for the cycle tonite in his first 4 at bats......

I don't know if the Tigers ever win when I get to see them on tv. :(

[colleyvillesooner]

Tonight reminded me why I hate stuff. The Rangers are on ESPN-HD but can I watch it? **** no. I get blacked out cause it's covered by my local ****ty station. Would it kill whoever is in charge of that to watch my rangers in HD the 5-6 times they are on?

[mrowl]

Tonight reminded me why I hate stuff. The Rangers are on ESPN-HD but can I watch it? **** no. I get blacked out cause it's covered by my local ****ty station. Would it kill whoever is in charge of that to watch my rangers in HD the 5-6 times they are on?

I know. It ****es me off.

But tonight is FSN-HD.

[colleyvillesooner]

I know. It ****es me off.

But tonight is FSN-HD.

Not on time warner. :mad:

[jk the sooner fan]

i think its cool GMJ hit the cycle in order and from both sides of the plate

[mrowl]

Not on time warner. :mad:

theres a service that I would never have.

and I am so close to pulling the trigger on fios. If they offered college game plan I would already be on board.

[soonerjoker]

rangers back to 5 hunnerd.

that (IMHO) is where they belong, with the talent they have.

flops o the year
tex & blalock

playing over their heads of the year;

GMJ & de rose

grade on Jon Daniels 1st year; ceeeeee


has made team better on pitching (not much) & worse on offense.

[BeetDigger]

Padialla pitched a gem today. Freaking rain, ruined the day at the ballpark. The two chicks in front of my son got their picture taken for the DMN. Should be in the paper tomorrow (Monday). They were under an umbrella (that blocked our view). Saw Tommy Hicks just a couple rows in front of us, waved at Michael Young and Carlos Lee (who tipped their hats). Rangers hit three out. Nice day in spite of the rain.

[BeetDigger]

So, Rogers now 17-6 with a 6-3 record and a 3.33 era post break and continues to give quality starts.

[AustinTXHorn]

Padilla and Matthews need to be the 1a and 1b priorities this offseason.

For the money that Lee is going to demand, he can get the hell out of town. I'm pretty sure the Rangers aren't going to re-sign him anyway. I just hope they don't pull the draft pick compensation out of the CBA this year.

[jk the sooner fan]

hey how did Rogers do tonite? we're always updated when he does well......

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Rogers no-hitter thru 6 innings!

[mrowl]

hey how did Rogers do tonite? we're always updated when he does well......

giggle :D

:pop:

[BeetDigger]

hey how did Rogers do tonite? we're always updated when he does well......


Funny, we were all getting the reports when he struggled after the break. That committment to "report if he does well or poorly" didn't seem to hold when he did well (JK, I noticed that you really called CVS out when HE didn't follow through). I let it sit for a few weeks, you know, just in case it was an oversight. It didn't appear that way so, to be fair and all, I reported when he did well.

I think that Rogers more than proved you all wrong. What were the predictions: no more wins, he's a terrible second half pitcher, "everyone who is a Rangers fan in DFW knows he stinks", ....

Strange how a statement like "The Rangers did the right thing in not signing him, but it is too bad that everything worked out the way it did since he could be the difference for the Rangers this year" turned into all this. Yeah, that statement really put the Rangers and you "Ranger" fans down. :rolleyes:

[BeetDigger]

Rogers was 3-1 in both August and September with a 1.64 and 2.79 ERA’s in the months respectively.

Verlander was 2-3 and 2-2 with 6.83 and 4.82 ERA’s

Robertson was 1-5 and 2-2 with 4.61 and 2.76 ERA’s

Bonderman was 0-2 and 3-1 with 5.40 and 3.90 ERA’s


In addition, he stopped a four game skid and a two game skid by the Tigers.

Pretty safe to say that he was the key starter for the Tigers down the stretch.

Now, do I have to compare his stats to the stats for the Ranger’s starters during the same time frame for you? Wonder how he stacks up in the second half against Padilla and Millwood, much less the folks who were the #3, #4 and #5 starters for the Rangers during this stretch?

[jk the sooner fan]

how many wins did he have after the all star break?

[Scott D]

he certainly didn't get one last night ;)

[Paperclip]

how many wins did he have after the all star break?

Before: 11-3, 3.85 ERA (18 starts)
After: 6-4, 3.71 ERA (15 starts)


hey how did Rogers do tonite? we're always updated when he does well......

3.2 IP, 5 ER, L

[colleyvillesooner]

OKay, so I updated it on the 7th and the 13th, and then was too busy to follow it. And I did update it when he did good and said he's pitching pretty well as of late.

You like looking up stats so you take it from here through the playoffs.

[colleyvillesooner]

Strange how a statement like "The Rangers did the right thing in not signing him, but it is too bad that everything worked out the way it did since he could be the difference for the Rangers this year" turned into all this. Yeah, that statement really put the Rangers and you "Ranger" fans down. :rolleyes:

So he would have made up the 13 games we are out of first place?

[jk the sooner fan]

ok so i lost my bet, i said that he wouldnt get more than 5 wins after the all star break

he got 6

[colleyvillesooner]

ok so i lost my bet, i said that he wouldnt get more than 5 wins after the all star break

he got 6

Told you :rolleyes:

;)

[BeetDigger]

OKay, so I updated it on the 7th and the 13th, and then was too busy to follow it. And I did update it when he did good and said he's pitching pretty well as of late.

You like looking up stats so you take it from here through the playoffs.


Well, the updates were fast and furious when he didn't do well. But after that, they were very scarce.

Personally, I never understood why you started posting his stats anyway. We disagreed on whether it was good for him to be gone or not (well, not really since I just said that it's too bad that he's gone so I guess you were saying that it's NOT too bad that he's gone).

Everytime there is a difference of opinion is it modus operandi of the board to post follow up stats to prove your point? I don't recall that happening in the past with you or with other posters. Usually, when a discussion is over, it's over. That is why I originally enquired as to the agenda for posting his stats. I guess if you do that with everyone then fine. I just hadn't noticed.

[BeetDigger]

So he would have made up the 13 games we are out of first place?


I don't know, but I do know that in games he started, the Tigers were 24-9.

[BeetDigger]

ok so i lost my bet, i said that he wouldnt get more than 5 wins after the all star break

he got 6


I wonder how many starters in MLB got more than five wins post break?

[AustinTXHorn]

Rumors all around that Showalter is gone by the end of this week. They're just rumors, but I am starting to get excited.

We're going to win the World Series next year!

[jk the sooner fan]

Well, the updates were fast and furious when he didn't do well. But after that, they were very scarce.

Personally, I never understood why you started posting his stats anyway. We disagreed on whether it was good for him to be gone or not (well, not really since I just said that it's too bad that he's gone so I guess you were saying that it's NOT too bad that he's gone).

Everytime there is a difference of opinion is it modus operandi of the board to post follow up stats to prove your point? I don't recall that happening in the past with you or with other posters. Usually, when a discussion is over, it's over. That is why I originally enquired as to the agenda for posting his stats. I guess if you do that with everyone then fine. I just hadn't noticed.

you know what i think? i think you take what we do and say way more seriously than the rest of us....we're just having fun and talking a little trash, nothing more nothing less......

[mrowl]

Rumors all around that Showalter is gone by the end of this week. They're just rumors, but I am starting to get excited.

We're going to win the World Series next year!

IN. :D

[jk the sooner fan]

i'm not on the "get rid of showalter" bandwagon like most of you, but at this point its probably best for the team

[mrowl]

i'm not on the "get rid of showalter" bandwagon like most of you, but at this point its probably best for the team

my only problem is, who are they going to hire to replace him? I can't think of anyone.

[BeetDigger]

you know what i think? i think you take what we do and say way more seriously than the rest of us....we're just having fun and talking a little trash, nothing more nothing less......


That might be very, very accurate. In fact, I am sure that you are correct although I am also very sure that I did not misread the tenor of some of the posts.

And with this, I am just going to not post in any Dallas sports team threads. As you noted in the Cowboy's thread, you want fans to post. So, since I am not what would be considered a fan of the Cowboys, Rangers, Stars or Mavericks, I won't post about them.

[jk the sooner fan]

That might be very, very accurate. In fact, I am sure that you are correct although I am also very sure that I did not misread the tenor of some of the posts.

And with this, I am just going to not post in any Dallas sports team threads. As you noted in the Cowboy's thread, you want fans to post. So, since I am not what would be considered a fan of the Cowboys, Rangers, Stars or Mavericks, I won't post about them.

yep, you definitely missed the sarcasm and joke....seriously, i specifically said i wanted a "circle jerk".....how you missed that i dont know

we're just giving each other crap in this thread about the rangers....Rogers had been an item of discussion all year long, most of us werent really all that sad he's gone, because of his propensity to fade in the second half

we're really just being stupid, and not actually arguing/debating

[colleyvillesooner]

Well, the updates were fast and furious when he didn't do well. But after that, they were very scarce..

Edit: to remove the hostility. Sorry.

I did post after game 2 of his 6 game win streak, clip beat me to it on game 3 and 4 (both the night of the game), I posted that he was "pitching good as of late" after his next start which was a no decision, and after his next decision which was a no decision. I missed his last two wins of the streak cause I forgot and he lost last night.

I wouldn't classify that as scarce.



Personally, I never understood why you started posting his stats anyway. We disagreed on whether it was good for him to be gone or not (well, not really since I just said that it's too bad that he's gone so I guess you were saying that it's NOT too bad that he's gone).

Not so much, we cleared all that up here, remember:

http://66.34.250.71/forums/showpost.php?p=1479111&postcount=684

and i was dead on on how many games we would lose the division by!

[jk the sooner fan]

my only problem is, who are they going to hire to replace him? I can't think of anyone.

good question, i'm not really even sure........sure as hell not joe girardi, he's just a younger version of Buck from what i've read

[colleyvillesooner]

I don't know where I sit on the Buck issue...

[jk the sooner fan]

i think its unfair to put the whole thing on buck....he had pitchers injured, missing half the season, etc......he had his star player with a sub par year....when Hicks said there was no leadership in the clubhouse, he was dead on correct......Texeira and Young have to step up and take that role, and thats who Hicks was calling out.....i agreed with him totally

Millwood and Padilla pitched pretty well but we lost half our rotation before opening day.....in spite of that, we were in the race in august

sometimes you have to put the onus on the guys actually on the field of play

[colleyvillesooner]

i think its unfair to put the whole thing on buck....he had pitchers injured, missing half the season, etc......he had his star player with a sub par year....when Hicks said there was no leadership in the clubhouse, he was dead on correct......Texeira and Young have to step up and take that role, and thats who Hicks was calling out.....i agreed with him totally

Millwood and Padilla pitched pretty well but we lost half our rotation before opening day.....in spite of that, we were in the race in august

sometimes you have to put the onus on the guys actually on the field of play

To that point, maybe some new blood would do the clubhouse some good?

[jk the sooner fan]

To that point, maybe some new blood would do the clubhouse some good?

yeah i agree, i think at this point he's probably lost the confidence of some of his team......i'd trade blalock in a heartbeat, unload wilkerson and i'd try like hell to go back and resign Soriano as a FA, and bring him back for left field.....Nellie Cruz is going to be a star one day out in right.......the club wants to bring GMJ back...i like our infield just fine - we'd need a new DH if Derosa replaces blalock at 3d

pitching i have no idea.....i'd unload Benoit though

[mrowl]

To that point, maybe some new blood would do the clubhouse some good?

I think a Texiera trade for Ichiro Suzuki would be great for this team. (talk of it a few weeks ago)

And it seems almost set in stone that dellucci will be acquired in the offseason.

[colleyvillesooner]

yeah i agree, i think at this point he's probably lost the confidence of some of his team......i'd trade blalock in a heartbeat, unload wilkerson and i'd try like hell to go back and resign Soriano as a FA, and bring him back for left field.....Nellie Cruz is going to be a star one day out in right.......the club wants to bring GMJ back...i like our infield just fine - we'd need a new DH if Derosa replaces blalock at 3d

pitching i have no idea.....i'd unload Benoit though

I agree with most of that, but I think he has completely lost the clubhouse.

[mrowl]

I was wrong on the soriano trade. That really didn't work out.

the offense really missed his hitting, which seemed to be an issue this year.

GMJ hopefully is a priority, Wilk she be flat out released. Doubtful they can get anything for him.

And your right about Cruz. He has something.



pitching deserves its own thread.

Seems like padilla may be the only guy that will sign here.

[AustinTXHorn]

my only problem is, who are they going to hire to replace him? I can't think of anyone.
Trey Hillman and DeMarlo Hale are my 1a and 1b candidates. Hillman was the Rangers director of player development a few years ago and he's been managing in Japan for the last few seasons. There have been a few big league teams looking at him. Hale has done a great job with the Red Sox and I think he'll be a manager very soon.

[AustinTXHorn]

For the $4 million-ish that Wilkerson will get next year, I don't understand dumping him. He had an awful season and has played the last two years with a bad shoulder, but he is a career .800+ OPS guy who will be on his contract year. At 29-30 years old, it might be his only chance at landing a big contract.

[mrowl]

For the $4 million-ish that Wilkerson will get next year, I don't understand dumping him. He had an awful season and has played the last two years with a bad shoulder, but he is a career .800+ OPS guy who will be on his contract year. At 29-30 years old, it might be his only chance at landing a big contract.

as long as BAD radio has him as a weekly guest, the curse is on. dump him. :D

[jk the sooner fan]

I was wrong on the soriano trade. That really didn't work out.

the offense really missed his hitting, which seemed to be an issue this year.

GMJ hopefully is a priority, Wilk she be flat out released. Doubtful they can get anything for him.

And your right about Cruz. He has something.



pitching deserves its own thread.

Seems like padilla may be the only guy that will sign here.

i like some of the stuff I've seen from Eaton....i know he's injury prone but hell, Padilla is head case prone.....i dont think the Rangers were ever in the position of forcing Soriano to the outfield after they let him take 2b from Young....but if they can bring him back to replace that fatass carlos lee out in left, i'd be all for it

trade Tex for Ichiro? ugh, no thanks....

[BeetDigger]

To that point, maybe some new blood would do the clubhouse some good?


Not to beat the Tigers into the ground, but look what the addition of Leyland had on them. And look at the Marlins with Jack McKeon in 2004 (or was it 2003?). I know that folks didn't expect those moves to play out that well.

Another series of offseason trades like last year and the Rangers will be looking for a new GM too.

[AustinTXHorn]

Another series of offseason trades like last year and the Rangers will be looking for a new GM too.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like JD got Vicente Padilla for a guy who didn't even make the team (Ricardo Rodriguez). It's not like he got 24-year-old Robison Tejeda for a guy who is a backup outfielder in Philly and will likely sign back here in the offseason. That GM also got Carlos Lee and Nelson Cruz for Francisco Cordero and two backup outfielders. He also got a couple of average pitchers (Koronka, Rheinecker) for one disaster (Dominguez).

Yeah, Daniels' two biggest trades haven't turned out very well right now, but he's done a lot of good in his first season as a GM. He has stayed focused on acquiring starting pitching, which is something that John Hart never really did.

[BeetDigger]

Yeah, I mean, it's not like JD got Vicente Padilla for a guy who didn't even make the team (Ricardo Rodriguez). It's not like he got 24-year-old Robison Tejeda for a guy who is a backup outfielder in Philly and will likely sign back here in the offseason. That GM also got Carlos Lee and Nelson Cruz for Francisco Cordero and two backup outfielders. He also got a couple of average pitchers (Koronka, Rheinecker) for one disaster (Dominguez).

Yeah, Daniels' two biggest trades haven't turned out very well right now, but he's done a lot of good in his first season as a GM. He has stayed focused on acquiring starting pitching, which is something that John Hart never really did.

Well, those two biggest trades were a little more than "haven't turned out very well". Padilla panned out on the field, but in the clubhouse, not so well. Tejada has a lot of promise. Cruz has potential, wait to see how he pans out. His hits are much less than his misses so far. However, I agree that compared to golf shirt, Daniels is a star.

[GrapevineSooner]

I said this in the Royals thread since Marc mentioned the possibility of hiring Buck Showalter should the Rangers actually fire him. But does Dusty Baker do anything for your baseball weenie, Rangers fans?

[jk the sooner fan]

yes, yes he does

[mrowl]

I said this in the Royals thread since Marc mentioned the possibility of hiring Buck Showalter should the Rangers actually fire him. But does Dusty Baker do anything for your baseball weenie, Rangers fans?

was that the guy who was talking about the black superiority?


no.

[mrowl]

Wednesday morning...

Do we wake up with a "Buck Showalter Fired" story in the sports section?

Or a "Rangers prepare for 2007 with Buck" story?

[mrowl]

he still doesn't get it.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061003/NEWS99/61003015/1050/SPORTS

Detroit Police investigate complaint against Kenny Rogers

BY CECIL ANGEL
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

October 3, 2006

Detroit Police are investigating a complaint from a man who says Detroit Tigers' pitcher Kenny Rogers grabbed him by the collar during a confrontation in a parking structure near Comerica Park.

According to police, there are two versions as to what happened at the parking structure at Brush and Montcalm at 12:25 a.m. on Sunday.

In both versions, a 37-year-old man approaches Rogers asking him to give him an autograph and Rogers refuses.

The man becomes upset and begins cursing Rogers, then starts banging on his car. Rogers exits the car and confronts the man face to face.

Police are trying to determine what really happened next.

The man said that Rogers grabbed him by his collar but bystanders broke the pair up. However, a witness told police that Rogers and the man just argued but there was no physical contact.

Both versions end with Rogers driving away.

Rogers' anger management issues received national publicity last year when he pitched for the Texas Rangers.

On June 29, 2005, Rogers lashed out at two Texas cameramen as they taped him walking to the field for pregame stretching.

The episode led to one of those cameramen, Larry Rodriguez, being treated at a hospital after the camera was ripped from his hands and thrown to the ground.

Rogers apologized a week later, saying the incident was out of character and would never happen again

[colleyvillesooner]

Per the Ticket in Dallas, the Star Telegram reports Showalter is OUT as manager of the Rangers.

[jk the sooner fan]

yay......sorta

[GrapevineSooner]

Manager is only part of the equation.

What we need now is an owner that's actually committed to winning. Having the 18th highest payroll in the Majors is woefully inadequate for a Top 8 market like DFW.

[colleyvillesooner]

Greggo was funny in stating that the stopwatch has been clicked on when the Rangers win the World Series now that Buck is gone. ;)

[mrowl]

Manager is only part of the equation.

What we need now is an owner that's actually committed to winning. Having the 18th highest payroll in the Majors is woefully inadequate for a Top 8 market like DFW.

didn't Bob mention that with the trade deadline moves, they were in the top 15 in payroll?

[AustinTXHorn]

Looks like Buckles tried to put up a fight.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/15676647.htm

We're going to win the World Series next year!!!!

I'll be pretty shocked if the replacement isn't Hale, Hillman, or Wakamatsu.

[Hornsarelosers]

I heard the Dan Patrick Show, and he said that the Rangers will win the World Series this year. I laughed at that one so hard.

[AllAboutThe'O']

I sort of have mixed emotions over this.
I really wasn't on the "Fire Buck" bandwagon; I thought he deserved one more year. But it's another case of our new G.M. rolling the dice, going ahead and making a change now instead of perhaps having to do it if we start slow out of the gate next season. I do wish Buck the best, and I'll always savor the magical 2004 season under his watch.
That said, I'm already making plans to attend the Rangers' first home World Series game next year and attending the victory parade along Randol Mill Road.

[jk the sooner fan]

joe torre is available.....would we want him?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

i am just SOOOOO thankful we got rid of Chris Young...that guy is the suck!!!

[AustinTXHorn]

I would love to have Torre, but I think he will retire if he gets fired.

I don't see why in the hell the Yankees would fire Torre. With that payroll, you cannot blame him for the Yankees having to count on a 43 year old Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright to win playoff games. It's the same reason that I don't think you can blame Willie Randolph if the Mets flame out.

Torre did a great job this season to get the Yankees to where they were. They had numerous holes in the pitching staff and lineup all year long and still got it done.

But I think Torre is a great manager and I would take him in a second.

[AllAboutThe'O']

joe torre is available.....would we want him?
Maybe Tom Hicks can ask him how the manager who replaced Buck Showalter did in his first year with the Yankees. That might convince Torre to move down south.

[soonerjoker]

rangers back to "square one".

[colleyvillesooner]

Thanks for the update, guy.

[BeetDigger]

Thanks for the update, guy.


Is the search for a manager taking a long time or is it just me? Cubs and SF have both made their hires.

[colleyvillesooner]

Is the search for a manager taking a long time or is it just me? Cubs and SF have both made their hires.

They were waiting on Trey Hillman to finish the Japan World series (which he won). They also had to wait for the A's 3rd base coach and the Mets 3rd base coach to be done with the playoffs. The last two guys to interview this week are Rangers bench coach and

[jk the sooner fan]

they had to wait until the guy in japan was done winning the playoffs over there....they're supposed to interview him this week, and then finally Wakamatsu

i like that they're being deliberate

[BeetDigger]

I didn't read the article in the paper today about the guy in Japan so I wasn't aware the he was in the playoffs. I am not trying to imply that anything is wrong, just curious if it is just me who thinks that it is taking quite a while.

[colleyvillesooner]

It is, but at least there is a reason. :D

[mrowl]

it seems like the Rangers are doing the right thing by not rushing this............................but............... .............................was it a mistake letting Hillman leave town without a signed deal?


And yes, I realize the Wakamatsu interview is today, but.... Hillman seems like a good choice.


Hillman 'thrilled' to be finalist for Rangers manager

By KAT O'BRIEN
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER
Trey Hillman, the fourth of five candidates to interview for the Rangers' managerial opening, spoke highly of the Rangers in a Wednesday morning phone interview.

Hillman, who currently is the manager of the Nippon Ham Fighters in Japan, was at D/FW Airport about to board a plane to the Bay Area to interview for the Oakland A's managerial opening this afternoon. He will fly to San Diego on Wednesday evening for an all-day interview with the Padres Thursday, then return to Japan for a variety of managerial commitments. But before leaving, he reflected on Tuesday's interview with the Rangers.

"No matter which way this thing goes, I'm thrilled to go through this process," Hillman said. "I echo all the things the other candidates said about the Rangers' preparedness and passion."

Hillman, whose Fighters just won the Japan Series last week, had a busy, if brief, trip to Texas.

He was picked up at the airport Tuesday by Rangers assistant general manager Thad Levine, whom he lunched with. Hillman interviewed with GM Jon Daniels and Levine in the afternoon at Ameriquest Field in Arlington, then spent the evening with Daniels, Levine, owner Tom Hicks and Hicks' son, Tommy, at Hicks's Highland Park home, making Hillman the first candidate to meet formally with Hicks. Hillman, Daniels and Levine then shared a late dinner.

"I could not have been treated any more professionally," Hillman said.

One question Hicks had emphasized was the parallel between Hillman's turning around the Fighters and the need for someone to turn around the Rangers.

Said Hillman: "Mr. Hicks asked a great question. He asked, 'How in the world did you turn a perennial loser into a champion in four years?' I told him I did it by using the same skills I'd always used, by building relationships with players and by getting better at it every year."

Sources confirmed that the Fighters have offered Hillman slightly more than $1 million per year to remain as their manager. He was among the highest-paid managers in that league this year at approximately $900,000 per year. There are also ample opportunities to supplement that salary through endorsements and the like.

However, Hillman said money will not be a factor in his decision if he has an opportunity to manage a major-league team.

"I've never been about the money," Hillman said.

Hillman was the Rangers' farm director for one year before spending the last four seasons managing in Japan. He also has extensive experience as a minor-league manager in the New York Yankees' system. He and his family live on a ranch in central Texas.

Rangers bench coach Don Wakamatsu is interviewing today for the job. Daniels said this week he does not plan to comment on the process until he is ready to announce a hire.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/15902271.htm

[colleyvillesooner]

Hillman is my choice.

[Scott D]

hmm..a rumor up here that in my opinion doesn't have much in the way of legs was some sort of package deal including Bonderman for some package from Texas including Texieria. Anything in that kind of vein down there in DFW?

[mrowl]

hmm..a rumor up here that in my opinion doesn't have much in the way of legs was some sort of package deal including Bonderman for some package from Texas including Texieria. Anything in that kind of vein down there in DFW?

the rumor down here is not Tex, its M. YOUNG. :mad: :mad: :mad:

will never happen.

If it did, I would personally go down to the ballpark and kick Daniels in the junk.

[Scott D]

yeah, Daniels would have to be a fool to get rid of Young. Especially when he can upgrade pitching via free agency just as easily.

[mrowl]

Rangers who have filed for free agency so far.

Rod Barajas
Adam Eaton
Mark DeRosa
Eric Young
Gary Mathews Jr.


IMO, need to sign GMJ and sign DeRosa, trade Blalock.

[Scott D]

wonder what you can get from the Cubs for Blalock, because from what I'm hearing Aramis has no interest in returning there.

[GrapevineSooner]

Hillman is my choice.
Ditto.

They don't need another hard *** like Buck in that clubhouse. Hillman sounds a lot like a Terry Francona type of manager.

BTW, I trust Hillman is equally as professional. He understands how this process works (with Wak still needing to be interviewed) and if either the A's or the Padres offer him one of their jobs, he'll tell them to wait and see if the Rangers offer him a job.

[Scott D]

btw Grapevine, the better Torii Hunter quote was "In batting practice I'm hitting like Reggie Jackson, in the games I'm hitting like Michael Jackson" about his slump early in the season.

[GrapevineSooner]

btw Grapevine, the better Torii Hunter quote was "In batting practice I'm hitting like Reggie Jackson, in the games I'm hitting like Michael Jackson" about his slump early in the season.

I think I'll rotate them. :D

[mrowl]

If the Rangers re-sign Padilla, are we interested in Andy Pettitte?

He may be cheaper since his very average couple of seasons, and he already lives in Texas, so he may consider the Rangers...

Of course, Padilla would be higher on the list, even if he is an a-hole.

[mrowl]

And if the Rangers are interested in Matsuzaka, they should only make a bid if they hire Hillman. Hillman would help make the transition easier for him, and maybe a great ERA earlier than expected.

(dreaming that Hicks would spend that kind of money)

[AustinTXHorn]

And if the Rangers are interested in Matsuzaka, they should only make a bid if they hire Hillman. Hillman would help make the transition easier for him, and maybe a great ERA earlier than expected.

(dreaming that Hicks would spend that kind of money)
I think we have a great chance of signing Matsuzaka if Hillman is hired. It helps that the Mariners, who are seemingly Japan's team, say that they won't be serious bidders for him.

Matsuzaka will cost a lot of money, but it would be absolutely huge for the team.

[mrowl]

Tex won his 2nd straight Gold Glove, but GMJ got screwed, and was not included.

[colleyvillesooner]

:D and :mad:

[Scott D]

meh...Crede was robbed! :(

[mrowl]

Also... this news on GMJ. :mad:

Matthews, Angels like each other
Nov 2 - According to the Los Angeles Times, Matthews' agent says the Angels are "extremely interested" in the free-agent center fielder. And apparently, the feelings are mutual.

Agent Scott Leventhal met with Angels GM Bill Stoneman on Tuesday at an Arizona Fall League game, where Stoneman made it known he will aggressively pursue Matthews, who had a breakout season in 2006 hitting leadoff for the Rangers (.313 BA, .371 OBP, 102 runs).

"Gary was very excited," Leventhal told the Times. "Bill wanted to know if Gary is interested in playing for the Angels, and he is. He has them high on his list."

Leventhal told the Chicago Tribune that Matthews, 32, is also attracted to the Cubs and the White Sox. Other teams expressing interest in Matthews include the Dodgers, Giants, Orioles, Astros and Rockies.

Re-signing Matthews is considered a top priority for the Rangers, who reportedly offered him a two-year deal. Matthews, however, is expected to land a three- or four-year deal worth at least $6 million a year.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors

[jk the sooner fan]

if we lose GMJ, can we get vernon wells?

[mrowl]

if we lose GMJ, can we get vernon wells?

next year. Or I guess in the summer if they wanna trade him cause he won't sign.

[Scott D]

from what I've read, Wells seems to like Toronto.

[jk the sooner fan]

he's from this area, and michael young is his best friend....i've read where he's expressed an interest in the rangers......how strong an interest is yet to be determined

[mrowl]

yep, he went to Arlington Bowie, was also a decent Highschool QB.

[mrowl]

from what I've read, Wells seems to like Toronto.

but the Owner seems to think they can't afford him after this contract.

[AustinTXHorn]

If Vernon Wells becomes a free agent, I'd put it at 80% that he becomes a Texas Ranger.

I'd honestly just rather put someone like Freddy Guzman in center field for a year (or sign someone cheap, if that's an option) if we can't re-sign Matthews. It would take a ton to acquire Wells in a trade, and that's just for one extra year.

[mrowl]

from the latest Newberg report:

On the managerial front, the Rangers are bringing Oakland third base coach
Ron Washington in for a second interview with Jon Daniels and Thad Levine
tomorrow, with Tom Hicks participating this time, as he did for part of the
Don Wakamatsu and Trey Hillman interviews. It's expected to be the final
candidate visit before the organization makes its decision on who will
replace Buck Showalter.

According to local reports, Wakamatsu, Hillman, and Washington are the three
finalists (meaning Manny Acta and John Russell have been ruled out), and a
decision could be announced as early as Monday. In any event, Daniels says
the situation should be resolved within the week.

That timetable has made sense all along, as free agency opens on November
12, and eliminating the question mark at manager seems like the correct
thing to do before that phase of the off-season arrives.

There are also reports that the Rangers intend to submit a sealed bid for
the right to negotiate with Japanese righthander Daisuke Matsuzaka before
Wednesday afternoon's deadline to do so. It's expected that the prevailing
bid will exceed $20 million.

[AustinTXHorn]

Looks like it's Ron Washington: http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/trsullivan/2006/11/washington_is_n.html

[mrowl]

I don't know what to say yet. Kinda stunned they picked him.

[mrowl]

I guess this is a good choice as long as the A's don't hire Hillman.

[GrapevineSooner]

Washington sounds like a Trey Hillman type but with a little more experience.

[mrowl]

And a 2 year deal? Why would he accept a 2 year deal? Am I missing something on Washington?

[mrowl]

I will be surprised if the Rangers can sign GMJ.

Maybe this is leading to all of the Wells - Tex trade rumors.

from espn:

A San Francisco homecoming?
Nov 6 - Matthews' agent told the San Francisco Chronicle he had a lengthy discussion with the Giants about Matthews, who played for new manager Bruce Bochy in San Diego. Plus, he was born in San Francisco and his father, Gary Matthews Sr., played for the Giants from 1972-76.

Over the weekend the Houston Chronicle reported that the Astros had contacted agent Scott Leventhal about the free-agent center fielder, who had a breakout season in 2006 for the Rangers.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Leventhal said the Angels are "extremely interested" in Matthews, and that the feelings are mutual. Leventhal met with Angels GM Bill Stoneman last week at an Arizona Fall League game, where Stoneman made it known he will aggressively pursue Matthews.

Leventhal told the Chicago Tribune that Matthews, 32, is also attracted to the Cubs and the White Sox. Other teams expressing interest in Matthews include the Dodgers, Orioles and Rockies.

Re-signing Matthews is considered a top priority for the Rangers, who reportedly offered him a two-year deal. Matthews, however, is expected to land a three- or four-year deal worth at least $6 million a year.

[colleyvillesooner]

Well, listening to his press conference, he won't be know for his grammar ;)

[Scott D]

I have a feeling that Matthews is going to end up being the most highly overpaid free agent this offseason.

[BeetDigger]

Well, listening to his press conference, he won't be know for his grammar ;)


He don't talk too gooder?

[mrowl]

I have a feeling that Matthews is going to end up being the most highly overpaid free agent this offseason.

I really hope its not the Rangers in that case.

But I think Sammy Sosa may qualify also.

[mrowl]

did I mention that the new dmn website really succs ?

[colleyvillesooner]

It's terrrrrrrible....

[jk the sooner fan]

did I mention that the new dmn website really succs ?

i was wondering if i was the only one with that opinion

i agree, totally sucks

i liked what Washington had to say...he's definitely not a polished speaker, but that may work ok in the club house

will be interesting to see what player moves are made in the offseason

i dont think we get GMJ back

i'd go after soriano again.....for the OF

[Scott D]

Be interesting to see what teams get in on a possible Sheffield trade..as he was seemingly only had the option picked up on his contract to prevent him from signing with the Red Sox.

[jk the sooner fan]

i DO NOT want to see Sheff in a ranger uni

no way no how, after his comments in Milwaukee, i cant stand him

[AustinTXHorn]

Get a load of this: http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061108&content_id=1737082&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

I knew Showalter sucked and was an *******, but I didn't realize it was this bad.

Washington has been the manager for two days and we've already heard comments from two marquee players (Torii Hunter and Zito) about how they would like to play for Washington.

[jk the sooner fan]

i really like how this guy operates, i've not heard an interview yet that didnt make me like him

no idea if that translates to wins or not

[colleyvillesooner]

i really like how this guy operates, i've not heard an interview yet that didnt make me like him

That's just because he has horrible grammar like you. ;)

[BeetDigger]

That's just because he a horrible kisser like you. ;)


Whoa there you two. :D

[GrapevineSooner]

Does Washington have the same New Orleans dialect as another head coach of another Metroplex team from the Big Easy?

I have yet to hear Washington speak so I don't know how he compares to Avery.

[jk the sooner fan]

no he sounds nothing like AJ

but he did lose his home during katrina, he talked about it on one of the ticket interviews he did, i was impressed with how positive he approached the whole thing

[GrapevineSooner]

In other news, Kevin Mench apparently got married last Friday to a hot woman.

[jk the sooner fan]

and in other news, Zito has now added Texas to his list of possible teams, because of Washington....it will be interesting to see our starting lineup next year, because its going to be very different

[BeetDigger]

In other news, Kevin Mench apparently got married last Friday to a hot woman.


Well, if your gonna do it, might as well make sure she's good looking.

[mrowl]

if you believe espn.com, Boston has won the rights to negotiate with Matsuzaka

[colleyvillesooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2660428

$42 million just to negotiate with him!?! Uh, no thanks.

[Scott D]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2660428

$42 million just to negotiate with him!?! Uh, no thanks.

well he doesn't get that $42 million, his team gets it. It's very reminiscent of the whole transfer fees thing that goes on in sports outside of this country.

[GrapevineSooner]

Well, if your gonna do it, might as well make sure she's good looking.

The newlyweds were shopping at my wife's place of employment.

My wife, who clearly isn't the sports fan, was wonder why he was wearing a Brewer's T-shirt. Apparently they met after he got traded because she's from Wisconsin.

[mrowl]

My wife, who clearly isn't the sports fan, was wonder why he was wearing a Brewer's T-shirt. Apparently they met after he got traded because she's from Wisconsin.

4 months? :eek: brave man.

[BeetDigger]

The newlyweds were shopping at my wife's place of employment.

My wife, who clearly isn't the sports fan, was wonder why he was wearing a Brewer's T-shirt. Apparently they met after he got traded because she's from Wisconsin.


I like Wisconsin girls, if'n you know what I mean (hint, its the dairy state).

[colleyvillesooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2661869

Derosa is a Cub.

[jk the sooner fan]

knew he was a goner, with that career year he had.....him being gone means blalock stays......especially since the new manager has a hard on for him

[BeetDigger]

knew he was a goner, with that career year he had.....him being gone means blalock stays......especially since the new manager and I both have a hard on for him


:eek:

[jk the sooner fan]

dude, that just never gets old......its like the 5 year old that tells the same fricking knock knock joke over and over

[BeetDigger]

dude, that just never gets old......its like the 5 year old that tells the same fricking knock knock joke over and over


I know. It's the joke that just keeps giving and giving. :texan: