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SoonerStormchaser
3/28/2006, 01:23 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2387372

Now this really ****es me off! More coming later...

KStatePike
3/28/2006, 01:25 PM
I did not see that comming.

Soonerborn03
3/28/2006, 01:27 PM
I would have much rather this happened early. The Big XII North just got a couple of good coaches and I'm wondering who else is left out there for us to get

garland sooner
3/28/2006, 01:29 PM
interesting.

CincySooner
3/28/2006, 01:32 PM
< ------- shocked

SoonerStormchaser
3/28/2006, 01:34 PM
Ok, now that my nerves have calmed down a bit...here's my thoughts on all this:

While I am extremely irritated at the complacency shown by the players on the court this past year (let's face it, there was no way we should've lost to Mizzou, Nova, Nebraska, or Kansas if they just played up to their potential), I don't pin that on Kelvin. What I do pin on him is not finding an assistant with that Mike Stoops fire-under-your-*** mentality that could've propelled us much further than we got.

That said, and being that my mother is an IU alum...it pains me to see him going to the school that we should've beat in the Final Four in 2002. I just hope Joe C's genius comes around again...cause we're gonna need one hell of a great coach to replace Kelvin.

...but you know that Bobby Knight is laughing his *** off in Lubbock right about now...

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 01:35 PM
1. I don't Blame him for making a Latteral move to a "Basketball School." He has never gotten suppot here and the guy has done nothing but win games and take us to the tourny almost ever year.

2. I blame the so called "sooner fans" for his departurer. This guy did nothing but win. No he never won a National Championship ...but nirther did Tubbs.

3. I hope we are able to keep our recruiting class here and online or we are going to fall more towards the bottom of the big 12.

4.This really really sucks.


I think Joe C will bring a good guy in here but its always hard to find a coach to fit a program and win on the first try.

TopDaugIn2000
3/28/2006, 01:37 PM
but IU is a basketball school. are they OK with mediocrity?

Taxman71
3/28/2006, 01:37 PM
Two points. First, I think Kelvin knew it was time to leave. He has hit his ceiling at OU and the fanbase is not optimistic. This is very similar to Tubbs in 1994. Second, Indiana is to basketball what OU is to football. This move is like a football coach moving to OU from UCLA or the like. It is a nobrainer if the Hoosiers offered him the job.

SoonerStormchaser
3/28/2006, 01:38 PM
Edit to previous post:

If Kelvin leaves us on probation and a postseason ban...oh man...let the flaming begin!

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 01:39 PM
but IU is a basketball school. are they OK with mediocrity?
What in the **** are you taliking about mediocrity? Only 3 coachs have won 20 games over 10 years straight. Coach k at duke, The coach at Conneticut and Sampson. you know what why dont you go back to the south oval and whine about you personal life and how much it sucks.

TopDaugIn2000
3/28/2006, 01:40 PM
If Kelvin leaves us on probation and a postseason ban...oh man...let the flaming begin!

could any of that "trouble" follow him? or is he free and clear by leaving?

Grimey
3/28/2006, 01:41 PM
and Mike Anderson is already gone to Mizzou, darnit!!!!!!

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 01:41 PM
could any of that "trouble" follow him? or is he free and clear by leaving?
You also know nothing about Collage basketball or Ncaa rules the violations lie with the school not the coach

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 01:42 PM
3. I hope we are able to keep our recruiting class here and online or we are going to fall more towards the bottom of the big 12

the only way we can possibly lose any recruits is because of sampson getting us put on probation. if that happens and he lures them all to indiana, oh wow, can you say most hated man on the planet?

BOOMERBRADLEY
3/28/2006, 01:43 PM
Wow....Im shocked as well

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 01:43 PM
You also know nothing about Collage basketball or Ncaa rules the violations lie with the school not the coach

um, neuheisel? he got penalized at UW for violations at colorado...

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 01:45 PM
the only way we can possibly lose any recruits is because of sampson getting us put on probation. if that happens and he lures them all to indiana, oh wow, can you say most hated man on the planet?

Why? I couldn't blame him a bit. Kelvin made too many phone calls and didn't know he was violating NCAA rules when he did it. He fessed up.

I hope Kelvin goes to IU and wins a NC. He deserves a lot better than he ever got here.

OU Adonis
3/28/2006, 01:45 PM
What in the **** are you taliking about mediocrity? Only 3 coachs have won 20 games over 10 years straight. Coach k at duke, The coach at Conneticut and Sampson. you know what why dont you go back to the south oval and whine about you personal life and how much it sucks.

Sounds a whole lot like mack brown before he won the big one.

FYI- Tubbs and Sampsons regular season percentage was almost identical at OU, but tubbs was much better in the post season.

TopDaugIn2000
3/28/2006, 01:46 PM
You also know nothing about Collage basketball or Ncaa rules the violations lie with the school not the coach

no, I don't know the answer to those questions. which is why I asked.

okienole3
3/28/2006, 01:46 PM
Why? I couldn't blame him a bit. Kelvin made too many phone calls and didn't know he was violating NCAA rules when he did it. He fessed up.

I hope Kelvin goes to IU and wins a NC. He deserves a lot better than he ever got here.

So, does your basketball loyalty follow Sampson to Indiana. Truth is OU deserved better than Sampson.

OU Adonis
3/28/2006, 01:47 PM
You also know nothing about Collage basketball or Ncaa rules the violations lie with the school not the coach


Thats why she had a ? at the end.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 01:48 PM
Why? I couldn't blame him a bit. Kelvin made too many phone calls and didn't know he was violating NCAA rules when he did it. He fessed up.

I hope Kelvin goes to IU and wins a NC. He deserves a lot better than he ever got here.

omg, he totally neuheiseled the rules. his "i didn't realize if they didn't talk to me it was a contact" is the same as neuheisel driving up to a recruits home after he had his one official contact and then talking to the kid on his cell phone so that it was technically a call, not a visit.

this is no different than you embezzling some funds from a company and buying a ferrari. then jumping to a different company and taking the ferrari with you.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 01:52 PM
Sounds a whole lot like mack brown before he won the big one.


He won one did he not. and mack wnet 10-2 10-2 11-1 . I dont tthink thats mediocore.


So are you saying sampson should be gone because he was not as good as good as tubbs in the tourny?

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 01:52 PM
omg, he totally neuheiseled the rules. his "i didn't realize if they didn't talk to me it was a contact" is the same as neuheisel driving up to a recruits home after he had his one official contact and then talking to the kid on his cell phone so that it was technically a call, not a visit.

this is no different than you embezzling some funds from a company and buying a ferrari. then jumping to a different company and taking the ferrari with you.

bull****

Kelvin's leaving with a sports car huh?

okienole,

**** up a rope. I'm an OU fan first. But I will also be a Kelvin fan. Our alleged bb "fans" suck sludge. We don't deserve a decent coach. We could get coach K and only 3,000 would still show up.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 01:55 PM
So, does your basketball loyalty follow Sampson to Indiana. Truth is OU deserved better than Sampson.
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DESEVERD BETTER? He was just as good as tubbs here. Tubbs did nothing but beat the **** out of badd teams by 100. He made a final four Sampson made a final four. ....lol .....You act like this is some great basketball school. The fans dont give **** for support. The ones that do I give my props too.

lol we deserve better......wow you are somthing else

okienole3
3/28/2006, 01:58 PM
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 01:58 PM
omg, he totally neuheiseled the rules. his "i didn't realize if they didn't talk to me it was a contact" is the same as neuheisel driving up to a recruits home after he had his one official contact and then talking to the kid on his cell phone so that it was technically a call, not a visit.

this is no different than you embezzling some funds from a company and buying a ferrari. then jumping to a different company and taking the ferrari with you.
I would like to think you and Okeiidontgivea****how you speell it and all you the other ****ty bbfans who know nothing but ou-football

okienole3
3/28/2006, 01:58 PM
Also, how does the head of the ethics committee not know that he is breaking the rules?

OU Adonis
3/28/2006, 01:59 PM
He won one did he not. and mack wnet 10-2 10-2 11-1 . I dont tthink thats mediocore.


So are you saying sampson should be gone because he was not as good as good as tubbs in the tourny?

Nope. My knock on Sampson is that he has an incredibly boring style of play. I really don't like how well he's done in the tourney either, but he doesn't excite me, the fan in his style of gameplay.

Am I ****ed that he left? No. Did I want him fired? No.

okienole3
3/28/2006, 02:00 PM
I would like to think you and Okeiidontgivea****how you speell it and all you the other ****ty bbfans who know nothing but ou-football

HAHA. Like it or not, success is determined in the tourney. If you want to wallow in tournament mediocrity, then be my guest.

Let's see what the #1 OU Basketball fan that I know thinks about this. O4?

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:01 PM
Nope. My knock on Sampson is that he has an incredibly boring style of play. I really don't like how well he's done in the tourney either, but he doesn't excite me, the fan in his style of gameplay.

Am I ****ed that he left? No. Did I want him fired? No.
ok :O but I am hot man hot

HE IS THE winningest coach in the big xii BUT WE DESREVE BETTER SOME SAY

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:01 PM
this isn't about basketball or kelvin being fired or anything like that. this is about being a neuweasel. defined as getting a school put on probation and then bailing for another school. the only missing piece is trying to get your recruits to follow you to your new school.

OU Adonis
3/28/2006, 02:02 PM
Our alleged bb "fans" suck sludge. We don't deserve a decent coach. We could get coach K and only 3,000 would still show up.

I agree with this part of what Dean has to say. OU BB fans are pretty sad, me being one of them. I blame my disinterest in the style of play, I dunno if that works for the other 8k people who don't show up.

But OU has had times when it has had good attendence, I just think you need to find the right fit.

If you can pack them in for OU womens basketball, then somethings amiss.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:02 PM
HAHA. Like it or not, success is determined in the tourney. If you want to wallow in tournament mediocrity, then be my guest.

Let's see what the #1 OU Basketball fan that I know thinks about this. O4?
04 IS A TUBBS FAN NOT AN OU BASKETBALL FAN HE SAID THIS HIMSELF HE FOLLOWED HIS *** TO LAMAR.


WE DESEVERE BETTER THAN THEwinningest coach in the big xii?

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:04 PM
I agree with this part of what Dean has to say. OU BB fans are pretty sad, me being one of them. I blame my disinterest in the style of play, I dunno if that works for the other 8k people who don't show up.

But OU has had times when it has had good attendence, I just think you need to find the right fit.

If you can pack them in for OU womens basketball, then somethings amiss.
ok if some one says womans basketball again i will kill someone. the men had more. THEY GIVE AWAY ****ING TICKETS TO THE WOMANS GAME. THEY ARE FREE. ALSO THEY HAVE FANS AND THEY ARE ALL ****ING BADWAGON FANS

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:06 PM
lets give a different scenario here.

bob stoops gets us put on probation and then bails the same year for miami.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:06 PM
ok if some one says womans basketball again i will kill someone. the men had more. THEY GIVE AWAY ****ING TICKETS TO THE WOMANS GAME. THEY ARE FREE. ALSO THEY HAVE FANS AND THEY ARE ALL ****ING BADWAGON FANS

womans basketball ;)

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:07 PM
HAHA. Like it or not, success is determined in the tourney. If you want to wallow in tournament mediocrity, then be my guest.

Let's see what the #1 OU Basketball fan that I know thinks about this. O4?

You're gonna be praying for some of that "mediocrity" before it's all over.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:08 PM
womans basketball ;)
i BET YOU GO TO ALL THE WOMANS GAMES DONT YOU

RacerX
3/28/2006, 02:09 PM
I love you dolemite.

leavingthezoo
3/28/2006, 02:10 PM
i'm confused. a week ago everyone was screaming for his head, and now everyone is calling it "bailing"...

someone break that down for me. seriously.

oumartin
3/28/2006, 02:10 PM
I can't believe the Kelvin love after the guy just took a preseason top 5 team nowhere, put this program on probation, then says he wants to retire here, then waits for a couple good hires to be made in our conference and them bolts....
Thats just classy.

ya know what. maybe he was the best coach for this program but I'm willing to find out.

OU Adonis
3/28/2006, 02:10 PM
ok if some one says womans basketball again i will kill someone. the men had more. THEY GIVE AWAY ****ING TICKETS TO THE WOMANS GAME. THEY ARE FREE. ALSO THEY HAVE FANS AND THEY ARE ALL ****ING BADWAGON FANS

You think people don't go to the mens games because they can't afford the price of a basketball ticket?

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:10 PM
lets give a different scenario here.

bob stoops gets us put on probation and then bails the same year for miami.

You really oughta stick to football.

1. Besides Nick, who's been crying for Stoops' head?

2. Is Memorial Stadium only 1/4 full on Saturdays?

3. Does the football program have to give away tickets just to get folks to show up?

4. Does 50% of the crowd show up to football games 5 minutes before the half?

apples? oranges? You ain't even in the same ballpark jkm.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 02:10 PM
You're gonna be praying for some of that "mediocrity" before it's all over.

That's the problem. Some fans are fine being 'good' and don't want to risk being great because things could get bad.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:10 PM
i can't even remember the last time i was on campus

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:11 PM
i'm confused. a week ago everyone was screaming for his head, and now everyone is calling it "bailing"...

someone break that down for me. seriously.

Not everyone. Just the dumbasses. You know who you are.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:12 PM
i can't even remember the last time i was on campus
Of coarse you cant ....beacuse your not a fan

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:13 PM
I can't believe the Kelvin love after the guy just took a preseason top 5 team nowhere

to be fair, you gave stoops a pass ;)

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:15 PM
You really oughta stick to football.

1. Besides Nick, who's been crying for Stoops' head?

2. Is Memorial Stadium only 1/4 full on Saturdays?

3. Does the football program have to give away tickets just to get folks to show up?

4. Does 50% of the crowd show up to football games 5 minutes before the half?

apples? oranges? You ain't even in the same ballpark jkm.

actually, we aren't talking about the job, we are talking about how you would view the coach. wait, a coach leaves the football program on probation and he is the "king" so that applies to basketball as well?

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:15 PM
You think people don't go to the mens games because they can't afford the price of a basketball ticket?
$15 dollars $15 dollars

If you cant afford 15 dollars quit ****ing being white trash and haveing tons of kids and wasting it at the casino or find a good friend to pay for you ****ing aticket ;) I love you yermom

Grimey
3/28/2006, 02:15 PM
any chance Kelvin was 'encouraged' to seek other employment? just tossin that out there...

JohnnyMack
3/28/2006, 02:15 PM
How long 'til Scottie Reynolds decommits?

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:15 PM
Of coarse you cant ....beacuse your not a fan

um, i graduated from OU. i automatically qualify :mack:

oumartin
3/28/2006, 02:16 PM
to be fair, you gave stoops a pass

true, and its probably the only reason he is still employed at the university :D

boomersooner82
3/28/2006, 02:16 PM
First of all, can he do that? I didn't think OU head coaches were allowed to leave. I thought they could be fired, or take an inferior job. But move to another D1 school? I didn't think we did that here.

And you can hate a coach if you want, you can not agree with his "style of play", but I don't think that's a valid reason not to support the Sooners over the past few years. Sampson won games. It's going to be tough to bring someone in who can win immediately. We don't have "kansas talent". I hope we get someone good though.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 02:17 PM
um, i graduated from OU. i automatically qualify :mack:

Don't go aggy on us.:eddie:

colleyvillesooner
3/28/2006, 02:17 PM
I can't believe the Kelvin love after the guy just took a preseason top 5 team nowhere, put this program on probation, then says he wants to retire here, then waits for a couple good hires to be made in our conference and them bolts....
Thats just classy.

ya know what. maybe he was the best coach for this program but I'm willing to find out.

We're on probabtion? :confused:

Grimey
3/28/2006, 02:17 PM
How long 'til Scottie Reynolds decommits?

I'm sure he's been on the phone with Sampson;)

okienole3
3/28/2006, 02:18 PM
That's the problem. Some fans are fine being 'good' and don't want to risk being great because things could get bad.

Exactly.

okienole3
3/28/2006, 02:19 PM
You're gonna be praying for some of that "mediocrity" before it's all over.


You should really take that crystal ball of yours and put it to better use. :rolleyes:

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:21 PM
Don't go aggy on us.:eddie:

where do you think i got my masters from ;)

colleyvillesooner
3/28/2006, 02:21 PM
You should really take that crystal ball of yours and put it to better use. :rolleyes:

I can think of a place he could put it.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:21 PM
You should really take that crystal ball of yours and put it to better use. :rolleyes:
You should really take your dumbass comments and shove them up your ***

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:22 PM
Some of you guys are full of ****.

Don't wanna risk being bad? Gimme a break. If the next coach comes in and steps all over his pecker you guys will be the first in line to escort him to the door.

Guess what? If Kelvin couldn't recruit the players here, neither will the new guy. Guess what? If only 3k continue to show up at bb games, the next coach will be gone too.

Why don't we all just forget about bb? Our bb fans are the equivalent of football fans in Greenland. They don't exist.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:22 PM
I can think of a place he could put it.

haven't we talked about your dog enough?

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 02:23 PM
04 IS A TUBBS FAN NOT AN OU BASKETBALL FAN HE SAID THIS HIMSELF HE FOLLOWED HIS *** TO LAMAR.


WE DESEVERE BETTER THAN THEwinningest coach in the big xii?

You really have no clue do you?

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 02:24 PM
Why don't we all just forget about bb? Our bb fans are the equivalent of football fans in Greenland. They don't exist.

dean with a princess bride reference...

yermom
3/28/2006, 02:24 PM
$15 dollars $15 dollars

If you cant afford 15 dollars quit ****ing being white trash and haveing tons of kids and wasting it at the casino or find a good friend to pay for you ****ing aticket ;) I love you yermom

:mad:

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:25 PM
dean with a princess bride reference...

never heard of her...

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:27 PM
You really have no clue do you?
No I really have no clue how much you fluff 04

okienole3
3/28/2006, 02:27 PM
Some of you guys are full of ****.

Don't wanna risk being bad? Gimme a break. If the next coach comes in and steps all over his pecker you guys will be the first in line to escort him to the door.

If after 12 years the program is in the exact same position it is in now, then yes I will be showing him the door.





Guess what? If Kelvin couldn't recruit the players here, neither will the new guy. Guess what? If only 3k continue to show up at bb games, the next coach will be gone too.

Erroneous. He got them here, he just couldn't keep them here.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:28 PM
If after 12 years the program is in the exact same position it is in now, then yes I will be showing him the door.






LOL...it is not the same ...and you never answered


?

SHOULD WE SHOW THE WINNIGEST COACH IN THE BI12 THE DOOR

bri
3/28/2006, 02:30 PM
Edit to previous post:

If Kelvin leaves us on probation and a postseason ban...oh man...let the flaming begin!


What are you talking about? Having Kelvin WAS a postseason ban.

What is this "second round" I keep hearing about, anyway?

Taxman71
3/28/2006, 02:31 PM
Actually, OU has at least 7,000 true B-Ball fans (me being one) to come to nearly every home game or give tix away if not. The problem is that Sampson is not likeable. Thus, unless we are ranked in the top 5, the marginal fans do not care or come to games.

Why is Sampson not likeable? He does not endure himself to the fans by acknowledging them. He doesn't chew out refs to show that he is defending his team. I could go on and on. The "quit yelling Texas sucks" will remain the dumbest coaching PR move in history.

He is a great coach and we will not win as consistently without him for sure regardless of who we hire. But new blood may give the program a boost it desperately needs.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:31 PM
If after 12 years the program is in the exact same position it is in now, then yes I will be showing him the door.





Erroneous. He got them here, he just couldn't keep them here.

Oh. So Kelvin was supposed to go take their classes and finals for them huh? Who knew? And he was supposed to coach the ghetto outta dem boys too huh? Who knew?

What are you gonna say if the new guy comes in and doesn't make it to the NCAA's? Might not even make the NIT. Might not even win 10 games. How bad are we gonna suck when attendance drops to about 1K?

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 02:32 PM
No I really have no clue how much you fluff 04

I do know you spell like a two year old.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:32 PM
What are you talking about? Having Kelvin WAS a postseason ban.

What is this "second round" I keep hearing about, anyway?

OK. I laughed.

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 02:33 PM
Frank Solich won a national title at Nebraska, why in the world did they let him go!?

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:35 PM
I do know you spell like a two year old.
ok let me tpe it SLLLLOW LIKE for your ***** ***** ardmoore ***. I don" know I am not the one that **** off 04 like you do.:D

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:36 PM
Enough.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:36 PM
Frank Solich won a national title at Nebraska, why in the world did they let him go!?
no he did not...ok now I know your an idiot

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:37 PM
gottcha dean

okienole3
3/28/2006, 02:38 PM
Oh. So Kelvin was supposed to go take their classes and finals for them huh? Who knew? And he was supposed to coach the ghetto outta dem boys too huh? Who knew?

What are you gonna say if the new guy comes in and doesn't make it to the NCAA's? Might not even make the NIT. Might not even win 10 games. How bad are we gonna suck when attendance drops to about 1K?

So, when a player leaves it is all on the player and not on the coach? Also, assuming those things you said are true, then isn't it on him for bringing them in to begin with?

FaninAma
3/28/2006, 02:39 PM
$15 dollars $15 dollars

If you cant afford 15 dollars quit ****ing being white trash and haveing tons of kids and wasting it at the casino or find a good friend to pay for you ****ing aticket ;) I love you yermom

Guys, don't listen to Dolemite! Since I now work for the Chickasaw Nation it is imperative that you keep having lots of kids(especially those of you who are Native American) and spending lots of money at the casinos in Oklahoma. :D

colleyvillesooner
3/28/2006, 02:39 PM
Frank Solich won a national title at Nebraska, why in the world did they let him go!?

Uh, no he didn't, Osborne did.

OU4LIFE
3/28/2006, 02:40 PM
I'd like to have a great basketball program as much as the next guy...along with baseball, and wrestling...and all the rest. But let me be clear, if made to choose between Bball and the football program...it's an EASY choice.

Don't like the attendance at the basketball games? Try playing them all on Saturday, and only once a week....I bet the attendance would easily double. For those of us that live a lilttle farther away, with gas at $2.50 a gallon, making a game on a wednesday isn't my top priority. I'm guessing a lot of other people view it the same.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 02:42 PM
So, when a player leaves it is all on the player and not on the coach? Also, assuming those things you said are true, then isn't it on him for bringing them in to begin with?

Yeah, it's on the player. If the coach recruits a hopeless case, then yes, it's on the coach. Dumbass prima-donnas are a dime-a-dozen out there. Kelvin has tough practices and makes players earn PT. A lot of those headcases he's recruited can't deal with it.

You see, I'm one of those accountability guys. I think the mass exodus of our O-linemen in football isn't Schmitty's or Wilson's or Long's or Stoops' fault. We recruited a bunch of pussified players who couldn't hang. It happens. You'll either get into shape, or leave.

yermom
3/28/2006, 02:43 PM
Frank Solich lost a national title game at Nebraska, why in the world did they let him go!?

fixed. ;)

Fugue
3/28/2006, 02:43 PM
Frank Solich won a national title at Nebraska, why in the world did they let him go!?

cause they used Dean's crystal ball to see that he'd get busted for a DUI in a few years.

okienole3
3/28/2006, 02:44 PM
Yeah, it's on the player. If the coach recruits a hopeless case, then yes, it's on the coach. Dumbass prima-donnas are a dime-a-dozen out there. Kelvin has tough practices and makes players earn PT. A lot of those headcases he's recruited can't deal with it.

You see, I'm one of those accountability guys. I think the mass exodus of our O-linemen in football isn't Schmitty's or Wilson's or Long's or Stoops' fault. We recruited a bunch of pussified players who couldn't hang. It happens. You'll either get into shape, or leave.

I understand what you are saying, but doesn't it eventually fall back on the coach for bringing guys in that couldn't cut it? It has to, at least in part.

dolemitesooner
3/28/2006, 02:45 PM
Frank Solich won a national title at Nebraska, why in the world did they let him go!?
lol.....LAUGHABLE:D :D :D :D :D :D :D OHH MAN THIS MAKES MY DAY...WHAT noobsauce

OUGreg723
3/28/2006, 02:50 PM
Wow...I don't even know what to say...I propose that Ray McCallum be named head coach. That may be the only way that we keep our recruits. Seriously. I'll let you guys know about Scottie ASAP. He is at the McD's All-American game right now though. So, I have no idea. I just hope he does what is best for him. It proves that Kelvin has kept his players in the dark with this..ala Scottie and Damion on James Hale last week. Scottie told me last week that things were fine also. JEEEZZ KELVIN!!

If our recruits stay, then we might be ok. This is why we have Joe C. I'm sure he has a plan. Let's hope for the best.

bri
3/28/2006, 02:53 PM
This is why we have Joe C. I'm sure he has a plan. Let's hope for the best.


He does have a plan. It consists of raising ticket prices to cover the cost of painting the new coach's name on the office door...

soonerlaw
3/28/2006, 02:53 PM
I don't think it has much to do with fan support. Our fans might not be as fanatical as the ones in the ACC or something, but that doesn't mean there is any shortage of any. Just look at another unmentionable school in the big-12 that is a so called football school. That doesn't prevent them from being outstanding in baseball, basketball and the like.

Truth is, Kelvin did everything at OU but win a NC. He was a great coach and great for the program. OU will definately be worse for losing him. At the same time, it is a a good opportunity for both Kelvin and OU to get a fresh start. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing a new coach and a new philosophy come to town (Gillespie anyone?). Yes, there is a chance we might get pushed to mediocrity next year and be lucky to make the NIT, but after 12 or so years, its time to shake things up in the basketball area.

stonecoldsoonerfan
3/28/2006, 02:58 PM
Not everyone. Just the dumbasses. You know who you are.

:dean: :D :dean: :D :dean: :D :dean: :D :dean: :D

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 03:01 PM
I don't think it has much to do with fan support. Our fans might not be as fanatical as the ones in the ACC or something, but that doesn't mean there is any shortage of any. Just look at another unmentionable school in the big-12 that is a so called football school. That doesn't prevent them from being outstanding in baseball, basketball and the like.

Truth is, Kelvin did everything at OU but win a NC. He was a great coach and great for the program. OU will definately be worse for losing him. At the same time, it is a a good opportunity for both Kelvin and OU to get a fresh start. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing a new coach and a new philosophy come to town (Gillespie anyone?). Yes, there is a chance we might get pushed to mediocrity next year and be lucky to make the NIT, but after 12 or so years, its time to shake things up in the basketball area.

We'll never know if lack of fan support had anything to do with it cause we don't have any.

And all this "change for the sake of change" talk is simply stupid.

Like I said before, the smart money in Vegas will be on OU to wallow amongst the Big-12 bottom-dwellers for the forseeable future. And of course, it'll be Kelvin's fault for being the traitorous, cheating, lying, no-coaching POS that he is......

Spray
3/28/2006, 03:03 PM
I just want to go on record as seeing this as good news.

And we have just as good a chance of winning 20 games next year as any other year. We could easily schedule for 20 wins. Its not that great of an accomplishment. Now 25 wins a year- that's something to shoot for.

Good luck to Kelvin at IU. Thanks for some great memories.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
3/28/2006, 03:06 PM
First I don't blame Sampson for leaving OU to go to Indiana to coach baskeball any more than someone could blame a football coach from West Virginia to jump to OU. It is not a lateral move. Indiana is an elite job. The timing was poor, downright Sh***y if KS was offered the job 1-2 weeks ago but if Indiana just contacted him in the last few days and then he decided to go then it is understandable.

To me if you were in the anti-KS crowd and you wanted him gone when you woke up this morning you should be happy.

I was (am I suppose) pro-KS because he won and I thought overall did well at a place where b-ball is by far a second priority. Certainly we didn't win as much in the tourney as I would have liked and as we should have sometimes but we made the tourney every year but one and we did come close to a NC. If Indiana wins a title in a few years I can only imagine the spin here.

My problem with KS will be this. If we get any NCAA penalties and he doesn't then I will be really ****ed. That anger will be multiplied if that also includes recruits jumping from OU to Indiana. There is precident now for NCAA sanctions to follow the coach so I doubt he is "immune".

Now as for the future...

I'm concerned that the next coach that comes to OU will not be as successful. Maybe if we throw enough $$$ at someone we can get a top coach but otherwise I think we are replacing a 2-time national coach of the year who won over 73% of his games with a relatively unproven coach who we might think is a great hire because of his "style". We could have a very tough time getting a good coach because right now the expectations and risk is > the reward for being successful here.

If we just hire an average coach, we are heading for mediocrity. We need a good/great coach and they don't grow on trees.

JohnnyMack
3/28/2006, 03:07 PM
Just the dumbasses. You know who you are.

:mad:

MiccoMacey
3/28/2006, 03:07 PM
And of course, it'll be Kelvin's fault for being the traitorous, cheating, lying, no-coaching POS that he is......

Is this sarcasm?

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 03:16 PM
Is this sarcasm?

With a capital "S."

NormanPride
3/28/2006, 03:20 PM
Dean, don't get me wrong, I liked Sampson and wanted him to stay, but this is bull****. He left us high and dry and he knows it. Three seniors graduate. Incoming class not all qualified AND might bail. Probation. Short notice. This stinks, and as an OU BBall fan I'm furious.

There's very little chance we get a great coach out of this, and we might even promote from within to try and maintain the culture Sampson had going. I liked watching us play under KS and was looking forward to some young talent spicing up the team, but now we've been screwed over.

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 03:21 PM
lol.....LAUGHABLE:D :D :D :D :D :D :D OHH MAN THIS MAKES MY DAY...WHAT noobsauce

Haha I meant lost. Yes noobsauce is the correct term!:P

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 03:30 PM
Dean, don't get me wrong, I liked Sampson and wanted him to stay, but this is bull****. He left us high and dry and he knows it. Three seniors graduate. Incoming class not all qualified AND might bail. Probation. Short notice. This stinks, and as an OU BBall fan I'm furious.

There's very little chance we get a great coach out of this, and we might even promote from within to try and maintain the culture Sampson had going. I liked watching us play under KS and was looking forward to some young talent spicing up the team, but now we've been screwed over.

Oh, without question Kelvin is getting the long end of the stick in this deal. But you know what? OU basketball fans are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. A big ol' plate of steamy poop. That's what we've given the basketball team - and that's what we deserve.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
3/28/2006, 03:37 PM
Oh, without question Kelvin is getting the long end of the stick in this deal. But you know what? OU basketball fans are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. A big ol' plate of steamy poop. That's what we've given the basketball team - and that's what we deserve.


I can't say that I disagree.

NormanPride
3/28/2006, 03:37 PM
Oh, without question Kelvin is getting the long end of the stick in this deal. But you know what? OU basketball fans are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. A big ol' plate of steamy poop. That's what we've given the basketball team - and that's what we deserve.

How can you say that? Sure, some of the *coughMARTINcough* fans were crap, but there were also a ton of upbeat people that wanted just to go enjoy a bball game. The crappy ones were just more vocal than the rest, and this was a hard season to take. I just can't take this "We got what we deserved" line, because it implies that I wasn't a good enough fan, when I tried my hardest to be as upbeat and supportive as I could.

Saying that the crappy fans should be happy doesn't even mean anything. We all know that they'd bitch even if the coach shat solid gold.

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 03:37 PM
Oh, without question Kelvin is getting the long end of the stick in this deal. But you know what? OU basketball fans are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. A big ol' plate of steamy poop. That's what we've given the basketball team - and that's what we deserve.

I have to agree. After going to home games for most of my life, no matter how good the teams are, the fans don't show. After making three Big 12 Basketball tourny's the OU fans just seem to not show up. I liked Sampson, just not his style of play, and Dean is right, we are getting what we deserve.

stonecoldsoonerfan
3/28/2006, 03:39 PM
"He said he received a call over the weekend and it was a quick decision," Longar added. "The opportunity came up and he took it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/5451938

Taxman71
3/28/2006, 03:41 PM
I don't think you can blame the fans for disliking Sampson. He has always been the worst critic of our own players and fans. That turned fans off and the non-die hards quit coming to games. regardless of our success. The treatment he received from the NCAA and OU administration seems to show that they did not receive any better treatment from KS either and could live with him or without him.

Unless you are a Duke, NC, Kentucky or Indiana type of school (which sellout regardless), you better win games (Sampson did) and schmooze the fans (Sampson did not) to fill the house on a nightly basis.

OU football will sellout regardless of suckiness or asshat coaching (see the 90s). However, OU basketball needs success and charisma both.

soonerlaw
3/28/2006, 03:41 PM
Look at the final four: Florida and LSU are both currently football schools, UCLA hasn't been a basketball school since Walton went to school there (yes I know they won an NC in 95, but still...) and GMU is hardly a school at all. OU may be a "football school" as well, but OU is also a big D-I school with a tremendous athletic department, tremenous facilities, and a tremendous budget. We will be able to continue to attract quality players and coaches.

Taxman71
3/28/2006, 03:43 PM
I would love to get a Rick Barnes type of coach. He hasn't done too bad.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
3/28/2006, 03:49 PM
Here is sonmeone's take from Tigerboard.com

Re: Blitz is correct....if it's.....
not football, the Sooner Nation doesn't care.

OU has a very hard time getting crowds at basketball games unless they are playing Okie State, Kansas, or Texas.

The people that complained the most about Kelvin's "style" of basketball are 1) living in the "Billy-ball" past, and 2) probably haven't been to a BB game in years.

The ball's not oblong, therefore is just doesn't matter.


OKCTiger


I think there are certainly some fans that care like some that post on here but generally speaking he is right.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 03:51 PM
I don't think you can blame the fans for disliking Sampson. He has always been the worst critic of our own players and fans. That turned fans off and the non-die hards quit coming to games. regardless of our success. The treatment he received from the NCAA and OU administration seems to show that they did not receive any better treatment from KS either and could live with him or without him.

Unless you are a Duke, NC, Kentucky or Indiana type of school (which sellout regardless), you better win games (Sampson did) and schmooze the fans (Sampson did not) to fill the house on a nightly basis.

OU football will sellout regardless of suckiness or asshat coaching (see the 90s). However, OU basketball needs success and charisma both.

Kelvin's "always been the worst critic of our own players and fans??" Really?

OU football always sold out - even in the 90's? Really?

Uh, ok.

Spray
3/28/2006, 04:02 PM
Here is sonmeone's take from Tigerboard.com

Re: Blitz is correct....if it's.....
not football, the Sooner Nation doesn't care.

OU has a very hard time getting crowds at basketball games unless they are playing Okie State, Kansas, or Texas.

The people that complained the most about Kelvin's "style" of basketball are 1) living in the "Billy-ball" past, and 2) probably haven't been to a BB game in years.

The ball's not oblong, therefore is just doesn't matter.


OKCTiger


I think there are certainly some fans that care like some that post on here but generally speaking he is right.

Check your own house, OKCTiger:

http://www.lsureveille.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/03/16/441918d047842

A few choice quotes from the article:

Despite the University claiming both the men’s and women’s regular season conference championships for the first time in Southeastern Conference history, rising to national basketball prominence within a football-oriented community remains an elusive goal.
Both the women’s and men’s teams hope to increase attendance, revenue and support in the shadow of such a successful football program.
LSU senior guard Darrell Mitchell said he acknowledges the challenges of building a strong following in a fickle basketball fanbase.
“Down here in Louisiana, you have to win to get fan support,” Mitchell said

and

Although men’s and women’s basketball attendance numbers decreased from the 2005 season to this season, hope for the future remains high.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 04:22 PM
Some of you guys are full of ****.

Don't wanna risk being bad? Gimme a break. If the next coach comes in and steps all over his pecker you guys will be the first in line to escort him to the door.

That's exactly what I mean. The guys fighting for Kelvin are comfortable with the way things are/were. One and done, making the tourney, whatever. One final four in 12 years, cool.

OU needs to dare to be great and take the next step. It might work out, it might not. But it WILL be different.

I doubt Joe Ca$h hires a guy that's going to step all over his pecker.

OU4LIFE
3/28/2006, 04:26 PM
That's exactly what I mean. The guys fighting for Kelvin are comfortable with the way things are/were. One and done, making the tourney, whatever. One final four in 12 years, cool.

OU needs to dare to be great and take the next step. It might work out, it might not. But it WILL be different.

I doubt Joe Ca$h hires a guy that's going to step all over his pecker.

Why would Joe C jire someone to step on his pecker?

We need a basketball coach, not a pecker stepper.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 04:33 PM
That's exactly what I mean. The guys fighting for Kelvin are comfortable with the way things are/were. One and done, making the tourney, whatever. One final four in 12 years, cool.

OU needs to dare to be great and take the next step. It might work out, it might not. But it WILL be different.

I doubt Joe Ca$h hires a guy that's going to step all over his pecker.

Newsflash my friend,

OU will never be "great" at basketball. Never have. Never will.

Like I said before, Jesus H. Christ could be coaching the team, and the "fans" will drag their fat asses into their seats around halftime - after pigging out at the Golden Corral on the way to the game. Of course these are the "real" fans, cause the rest of them are just gonna be sitting at home bitching about our POS coach.

PDXsooner
3/28/2006, 04:34 PM
am i the only one that took the time to look up in the mid-90's and see about 5-10,000 empty seats for some home football games?

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 04:35 PM
am i the only one that took the time to look up in the mid-90's and see about 5-10,000 empty seats for some home football games?

I didn't need to. I was there at the games. I pretty much sat wherever I pleased.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 04:35 PM
OU will never be "great" at basketball. Never have. Never will.

I refuse to believe that.

So damn me for being a dumbass.

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 04:36 PM
am i the only one that took the time to look up in the mid-90's and see about 5-10,000 empty seats for some home football games?

No you weren't don't worry. We were there...

lauderdalesooner
3/28/2006, 04:36 PM
Congrats Coach Sampson.

I don't understand what all the uproar is about now that this has happened. This years team could of lived up to expectations, won the Big12 and made the elite 8 and Sampson still would have left for IU. Indiana is a elite bb school. The fact that Indiana just hired Sampson only proves how dumb all the Sampson bashing going on around here over the last few months has been.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 04:36 PM
As far as Mid 90's football attendance. I remember the billboards that said "Season tickets available". It was a sign of the apocalypse.

Ardmore_Sooner
3/28/2006, 04:37 PM
Dean, you remember not having to worry about bringing tickets to the football games, you could ALWAYS find one outside.

soonermark
3/28/2006, 04:37 PM
Newsflash my friend,

OU will never be "great" at basketball. Never have. Never will.


Bull****

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 04:43 PM
Bull****

Really? Until you can prove it, how about swallowing a big ol' dose of STFU?

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 04:43 PM
I refuse to believe that.

So damn me for being a dumbass.

No, damn you for being a haytah.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 04:45 PM
Let's not start that again.

I'm still not sure how I got that label.

TopDawg
3/28/2006, 04:47 PM
RacerX loves Ricky Martin!

soonermark
3/28/2006, 04:48 PM
Really? Until you can prove it, how about swallowing a big ol' dose of STFU?

Prove it? You're the one saying OU can never be great at basketball. Can you prove that? Of course you can't. You're happy with 20 win seasons and losing in the first round of the tournament. And then you call people who expect more than that bad fans.:rolleyes:

RacerX
3/28/2006, 04:49 PM
RacerX loves Ricky Martin!
I professed my love for dolemite like 3 pages ago.

Jealous?

It's not that I was ever against Sampson. I just wasn't for him.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 04:49 PM
Let's not start that again.

I'm still not sure how I got that label.

You're not?

Calvin Simpson is the anti-christ. He murders innocent babies in their cribs while they sleep. He ruins every good player we get. I shant sleep until I see his head lolling about on a silver platter......

:kelvin:

Indy Sooner
3/28/2006, 04:49 PM
I hope Kelvin goes to IU and wins a NC. He deserves a lot better than he ever got here.

I hope you're prescient. As one who was born in OK and grew up in Hoosierland... I've been an OU football fan and IU basketball fan for as long as I can remember. It would be great to see a hard-working coach like Sampson win a national championship at a school who loves their primary sport as much as Sooner Nation loves their primary sport.

RacerX
3/28/2006, 04:50 PM
You're not?

Calvin Simpson is the anti-christ. He murders innocent babies in their cribs while they sleep. He ruins every good player we get. I shant sleep until I see his head lolling about on a silver platter......

:kelvin:
Damn, I didn't think anyone read that thread... :norm:

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 04:54 PM
Prove it? You're the one saying OU can never be great at basketball. Can you prove that? Of course you can't. You're happy with 20 win seasons and losing in the first round of the tournament. And then you call people who expect more than that bad fans.:rolleyes:

Did I say I was "happy" with 20 win seasons? Have you ever seen me type that? I didn't think so. No, what I've said is that I like Kelvin Sampson, and I have supported him, and I will continue to like him and support him and hope he wins it all at IU. I've said we have suckwad fans. That's all you can pin on me.

Now, about the future? Is there something I don't know about that is all of a sudden make OU a major player in men's BB? Is there a magic bullet coach out there who's gonna waltz into Norman and carry us to the promised land? Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I like my odds a lot better than yours. Why? Are you gonna start showing up at games? Are you gonna support the new coach? Even if he doesn't make the tournament? Nope. You'll just bitch him outta town like the last guy.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
3/28/2006, 05:16 PM
As far as Mid 90's football attendance. I remember the billboards that said "Season tickets available". It was a sign of the apocalypse.

I stood on the freaking sidelines for the Louisville game when my bro was is school. (He did do laundry one year). That might speak poorly for the sideline security but there were a lot of empty seats for that game.

MiccoMacey
3/28/2006, 05:27 PM
OU Wrestling attendance = a little over 100 people per match (not including Bedlam).

OU wrestling finished third four of the past six years.

It ain't the fans fault. Quit using the fans as a scapegoat for whatever perceived flaw OU basketball may or may not have.

The blame falls with Kelvin, and the players. You can use whatever percentage you want with each group, but those two groups hold the key to our successes and failures in basketball.

I liked KS and wish him the best at IU. And I'll support the next coach at OU just as fervently. I will praise him for the successes he has, and I will blame him for the failures he has as well.

Win, lose or draw, I will wear my OU t-shirts proudly and I will support our programs. I just won't attend basketball games. And OU should still be okay.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 05:30 PM
OU Wrestling attendance = a little over 100 people per match (not including Bedlam).

OU wrestling finished third four of the past six years.

It ain't the fans fault. Quit using the fans as a scapegoat for whatever perceived flaw OU basketball may or may not have.

The blame falls with Kelvin, and the players. You can use whatever percentage you want with each group, but those two groups hold the key to our successes and failures in basketball.

I liked KS and wish him the best at IU. And I'll support the next coach at OU just as fervently. I will praise him for the successes he has, and I will blame him for the failures he has as well.

Win, lose or draw, I will wear my OU t-shirts proudly and I will support our programs. I just won't attend basketball games. And OU should still be okay.

Oh. So it IS your fault. I knew it....

Taxman71
3/28/2006, 05:34 PM
Kelvin's "always been the worst critic of our own players and fans??" Really?

OU football always sold out - even in the 90's? Really?

Uh, ok.

You guys are taking me too literally. Even during the 90s, "most" games were sellouts (75k plus), the rest were around 65k. Given the disaster that was the the 90s, that is great attendance averaging 95% for the season.

And, yes, I think Kelvin is the hardest on his players and fans. He doesn't defend them with the referees, calls them out in the media and all but cast blame on them for losses. He arguably gave up on them in Austin this year. Tough love should not leave the locker room.

MiccoMacey
3/28/2006, 05:35 PM
I think we agree on just about every thing except a lack of fan participation at the games. A coach needs to overcome an obstacle as small as that.

It'd be different if we only pulled in 200-300 a game. But we have substantially larger crowds than that. Good enough for a successful program (whatever that is).

BTW, what are you doing on this board? Don't you have some mail to sort or a route carrier to bark at? :D

recemp
3/28/2006, 05:35 PM
I'm sitting here in Chicago on a cold, damp day.
Doug Collins was a good coach and a nice guy and he couldn't win a championship with Michael Jordan.
Kelvin is a good coach and a nice guy, but watching OU men's bb has been painful.
...and maybe more people would be in the stands if season football ticket holders didn't buy season basketball tickets (that they didn't have any interest in) to get points for their Texas tickets.
I travel down for all the home football games and I sure can't make it for a lot of basketball games - I've been tempted to buy the tickets though...

oumartin
3/28/2006, 05:35 PM
Paging Jay Upchurch. Can we get your take on this?

Taxman71
3/28/2006, 05:38 PM
I stood on the freaking sidelines for the Louisville game when my bro was is school. (He did do laundry one year). That might speak poorly for the sideline security but there were a lot of empty seats for that game.

The official attendance for that game was (9/27/1997) was 74,993 (before the expansion). I remember it being a full house for the near-night time kickoff.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 05:43 PM
I think we agree on just about every thing except a lack of fan participation at the games. A coach needs to overcome an obstacle as small as that.

It'd be different if we only pulled in 200-300 a game. But we have substantially larger crowds than that. Good enough for a successful program (whatever that is).

BTW, what are you doing on this board? Don't you have some mail to sort or a route carrier to bark at? :D


I've been to the games where they announce "7,206." It's horse****. I've been to games where they announce "4,000" and trust me, it's more like 400 - and if you think being a major-college hoopster and you come to OU, and play before an empty/quiet/dead house it doesn't affect you? You think after 12 years as a coach - pulling out whatever kinds of BS "attractions" you can and the fans still won't show up doesn't affect you? Sure it does. Especially when they go play in other gyms with ****tier teams who are packed houses.

Our fans flat out suck sewage.

MiccoMacey
3/28/2006, 05:48 PM
Our fans flat out suck sewage.

Sure they do. I just don't think it's the crutch you do (or at least as big of one). I do believe it is a part of the overall reason we aren't as successful as some would like.

But Iowa wrestling packs 10,000 people for most duals. OSU packs thousands. So does Minnesota.

And only OSU can match our record over the past five years.

Rock Hard Corn Frog
3/28/2006, 05:49 PM
The official attendance for that game was (9/27/1997) was 74,993 (before the expansion). I remember it being a full house for the near-night time kickoff.

The stadium was probably 85-90% full but it wasn't a tough ticket to get. I do consider 10-15% to be a lot of empty seats though. I don't think I paid more than $10 to get it from one of the 15-20 "entrepreneurs" around the stadium. It was one of the few Blake games that OU played pretty well.

Now the games sell out despite having many more seats and a face value about double what it was 10 years ago.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/28/2006, 05:52 PM
did you know that in 2000 i called up to get some season tickets for a friend of mine and they told me they didn't have any available? said they had sold them all to corporations who wouldn't give them up. i think we averaged about 6500 attendance that year...

ouflak
3/28/2006, 05:53 PM
Well let's go ahead and talk about football then. It's quite obviously what we know best.

C&CDean
3/28/2006, 05:54 PM
did you know that in 2000 i called up to get some season tickets for a friend of mine and they told me they didn't have any available? said they had sold them all to corporations who wouldn't give them up. i think we averaged about 6500 attendance that year...

Which is less than half-capacity for the LNC.

Cam
3/28/2006, 06:08 PM
I refuse to believe that.

So damn me for being a dumbass.
Same here. Just thinking that we'll never have a better than 'OK' team just succs IMO.

Once my kids can wipe their own asses, I'll go to games. Until then, 99% of our social calendar is out the window.

LIke Racer, I don't hate KS at all. It's just that I've seen what I need to see in 12 years to form an opnion on his program, period.

If any of us were in his shoes, we'd jump with both feet to IU. Smart move on his part.

OKC-SLC
3/28/2006, 06:11 PM
I can't believe the Kelvin love after the guy just took a preseason top 5 team nowhere, put this program on probation, then says he wants to retire here, then waits for a couple good hires to be made in our conference and them bolts....
Thats just classy.

ya know what. maybe he was the best coach for this program but I'm willing to find out.
I can't understand how people could not agree with everything about this post. Martin is exactly right; as right as he is slutty.

For all the classy things KS did here (and there are a bunch), this last month has been straight up azz.

MiccoMacey
3/28/2006, 06:15 PM
A) OU goes 20-7, but loses first round of the NCAA tournament five years running.

B) OU goes 18-15, barely makes the NCAA tournament, but makes the Sweet 16 each year for five years.

Which is worse?

I'd take 20-7 and a quick exit anyday.

The NCAA tournament is for fun, and nothing else. George Mason is teaching everybody that this year. Or do you think they really are the fourth best team in the nation?

Kelvin wins every year. I will be sad to see him go.

OKC-SLC
3/28/2006, 06:15 PM
What are you talking about? Having Kelvin WAS a postseason ban.
now that's just funny. I don't care if it's really you or not. Very funny.

Spray
3/28/2006, 06:40 PM
A) OU goes 20-7, but loses first round of the NCAA tournament five years running.

B) OU goes 18-15, barely makes the NCAA tournament, but makes the Sweet 16 each year for five years.

Which is worse?

I'd take 20-7 and a quick exit anyday.

The NCAA tournament is for fun, and nothing else. George Mason is teaching everybody that this year. Or do you think they really are the fourth best team in the nation?

Kelvin wins every year. I will be sad to see him go.

Hey, quit stealing my "Anti-Playoff in College Football" argument!:mack:

FWIW, I think I'd go with option B above if OU is going to the Sweet 16 every year. 20-7 and 18-15 are both mediocre to middle-of-the-road records.

I may be in the minority, but I'll trade Big XII championships (of either kind) any day for deeper runs (at least the Sweet 16) in the tourney. But that's just me. And if I can't get that, I want to at least enjoy what I'm watching.

Gandalf_The_Grey
3/28/2006, 06:46 PM
And so it begins...First we hire *************** type who ****es off the masses with his Un-Oklahoman behaviour. Then we hire an idiot but we give him 4 5 years to turn it around...and then unlike the football team we don't have a great history and legacy to fall back on so in the end we end up with a solid coach who wins 20 wins a game and the cycle starts over.

okienole3
3/28/2006, 06:47 PM
I hope you're prescient. As one who was born in OK and grew up in Hoosierland... I've been an OU football fan and IU basketball fan for as long as I can remember. It would be great to see a hard-working coach like Sampson win a national championship at a school who loves their primary sport as much as Sooner Nation loves their primary sport.

He knows, he has a crystal ball. We are going to suck next year. :rolleyes:

soonerjoker
3/28/2006, 07:05 PM
i hear bobby knight is available.

leavingthezoo
3/28/2006, 08:03 PM
i hear bobby knight is available.

bite your tongue. :P

TopDaugIn2000
3/28/2006, 08:08 PM
i hear bobby knight is available.

and most likely :eddie:

leavingthezoo
3/28/2006, 08:14 PM
and most likely :eddie:

drink your whiskey! :P

TopDaugIn2000
3/28/2006, 10:00 PM
according to MSNBC:

"NCAA spokesman Erik Christiansen said it’s up to the committee on infractions to determine whether any penalties would follow Sampson to Indiana.

“It’s all dependent on what the sanctions are, the severity of the bylaw violations and ultimately it’s up to them,” Christiansen said.

Such a thing has happened before: For instance, former Ohio State assistant Paul Biancardi was prohibited from recruiting until October 2007 at his new job as coach of Wright State University in Dayton over recruiting violations under former Buckeye head coach Jim O’Brien."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12052201/

HashHawk
3/29/2006, 02:07 AM
let's face it, there was no way we should've lost to Kansas

Wait, I'm sorry, are you saying there's no way your team should have lost to the Big 12 conference and Big 12 tournament champs? :confused:

KStatePike
3/29/2006, 02:16 AM
Wait, I'm sorry, are you saying there's no way your team should have lost to the Big 12 conference and Big 12 tournament champs? :confused:

You won the tourament but you did not win the regular season.

Blue
3/29/2006, 02:17 AM
Wait, I'm sorry, are you saying there's no way your team should have lost to the Big 12 conference and Big 12 tournament champs? :confused:

I think he's saying we dominated that game until we choked big time down the stretch.

Btw, you guys sucked just like everyone else sucked in the Big 12 this year.

Taxman71
3/29/2006, 10:28 AM
A big problem with attendance at the LNC is how bball tickets are tied in with football tickets for priority points. There are MANY donors who buy basketball tickets solely for the priority points and the OSU/Kansas/Texas games. The rest of the tickets usually don't get used. The last 2 years I have eaten at least 20 donor section tickets (no, I am not a scalper) to conference games because there were not enough people to give them to at the LNC, much less buy them for face or below.

I don't know the attendance record of the people ripping other OU fans on this board, but if they don't show up at OU basketball games (assuming they live within an hour or two of Norman), they are guilty themselves. Aside from the OSU/Texas/Kansas games, you can get tickets for under $10 every time.

C&CDean
3/29/2006, 11:56 AM
He knows, he has a crystal ball. We are going to suck next year. :rolleyes:

1. **** up a rope.

2. Are you willing to make a bet right now that next year's team will win 20+ games and go to the NCAA's?

RacerX
3/29/2006, 12:04 PM
Haven't you been banned yet?

C&CDean
3/29/2006, 12:06 PM
Don't make me come over there.....

RacerX
3/29/2006, 12:08 PM
Don't make me come over there.....

:dean:

:D

GottaHavePride
3/29/2006, 12:13 PM
Wait, I'm sorry, are you saying there's no way your team should have lost to the Big 12 conference and Big 12 tournament champs? :confused:


You must have done MUCH better in the NCAA tournament than we did. We cannot compete with our conference-tournament-champion overlord jayhawks. Oh wait, you choked out in the first round just like we did.

HashHawk
3/29/2006, 02:43 PM
You won the tourament but you did not win the regular season.

actually we did ;)

unless co-champs doesn't count to you

soonermark
3/29/2006, 02:52 PM
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/7673/bradley1zn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
3/29/2006, 02:56 PM
Haven't you been banned yet?

i tried to ban him, it wouldn't let me

C&CDean
3/29/2006, 03:03 PM
i tried to ban him, it wouldn't let me

pffft. You ain't big enough, and damn sure ain't bad enough.:mack:

Cam
3/29/2006, 07:32 PM
according to MSNBC:

"NCAA spokesman Erik Christiansen said it’s up to the committee on infractions to determine whether any penalties would follow Sampson to Indiana.

“It’s all dependent on what the sanctions are, the severity of the bylaw violations and ultimately it’s up to them,” Christiansen said.

Such a thing has happened before: For instance, former Ohio State assistant Paul Biancardi was prohibited from recruiting until October 2007 at his new job as coach of Wright State University in Dayton over recruiting violations under former Buckeye head coach Jim O’Brien."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12052201/
I was thought that if the dreaded "Lack of institutional control" is used, it sticks with the school.