V for Vendetta friday...

[Hatfield]

will be seeing the 11:55 showing.

woot woot!!! Holla!!!

whattttt...............yeahhhhhhhhhh

[crawfish]

Give us a report!

...and leave out the politics. ;)

[Harry Beanbag]

What's it about?

[Howzit]

I think it's about bald chicks.

[Hatfield]

I think it's about HAWT bald chicks.

fixed.

and leave the politics out?? i thought this was a comic book movie. ;)

[Hatfield]

What's it about?

Roeper's review

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep141.html

[Rhino]

I can't wait to see it.

[Harry Beanbag]

Are the good guy terrorists Muslim?

[Hatfield]

is that a trick question

[Frozen Sooner]

Are the good guy terrorists Muslim?

Not if they stay true to the source material. Anarchists, yes. Don't think there's any reference by the protagonist to religion whatsoever.

[Howzit]

Don't think there's any reference by the protagonist to religion whatsoever.

Sure hope not, Isaac Hayes might be offended.

[Harry Beanbag]

Not if they stay true to the source material. Anarchists, yes. Don't think there's any reference by the protagonist to religion whatsoever.


Okay, just wondering.

Sounds like it might be better if it did have hawt bald chicks in it.

[Frozen Sooner]

Actually, I don't know that you could call "V" a terrorist in the strict sense. His motive wasn't to create terror but to galvanize action and I don't think he ever targeted civilians or the innocent.

[Harry Beanbag]

So he's a patriot then?

I don't have a clue about this comic book or what it's about or that it even existed.

[Frozen Sooner]

Well, here's what I got out of the comic. Not sure what the Wachowskis have done with the movie:

While V is someone who believed in the English people very much, he wasn't a patriot. He was an anarchist who believed people should take responsibility for their own governance. He targeted the symbols of authoritarian government and assassinated several key figures in that government-though it's debatable whether he did that last truly to try to topple the government or out of revenge for what was done to him. I think all of his building-destroying took place late at night when the buildings were likely empty.

[Harry Beanbag]

Cool. It actually sounds like it could be pretty good. Just looked it up on IMDB and saw that Natalie Portman is in it so it can't be too bad.

[Veritas]

Cool. It actually sounds like it could be pretty good. Just looked it up on IMDB and saw that Natalie Portman is in it so it can't be too bad.
Evidently you missed the Star Wars Eps I & II.

[KaiserSooner]

Hopefully I'll get to see it Saturday. I'm not a comic book person, but the movie has sounded interesting to me, and well before certain elements of the press started trashing it for the terrrorism thing.

[OklahomaTuba]

Regardless, it should be a huge hit on the "arab street".

[IronSooner]

Evidently you missed the Star Wars Eps I & II.

Ha, too true. I'm still looking forward to it. Looks cool and hopefully at least mildly intellectually interesting.

[KaiserSooner]

Regardless, it should be a huge hit on the "arab street".

And not so popular among those who favor dictatorships and authoritarianism.

[OklahomaTuba]

And not so popular among those who favor dictatorships and authoritarianism.

So maybe the "Arab Street" will only like half the movie then?

Hopefully there aren't any cartoons in this either. Things could get crazy.

[Harry Beanbag]

Evidently you missed the Star Wars Eps I & II.


I wouldn't say I "missed" them. But no, I didn't see one minute of the latest three episodes.

And I was only speaking of the hawtness of Natalie.

[Hatfield]

just got back.

natalie is hawt and does a great job. The movie does a good job of presenting V as he is. Doesn't make him a hero or a villian it leaves it up to you to decide what he is....attempts to make him less of a person and more a voice for an idea.

some of the points that were attempted to be brought forth seemed a little forced and that caused the movie to drag a little bit but overall it was well paced and a good movie.

the movie is critical of a gov't that promotes fear to preserve peace/security, this is basically an amped up 1984


and yes natalie is super hawt pre and post hair

[Hatfield]

p.s. tuba save your six fiddy

[reevie]

just got back.

natalie is hawt and does a great job. The movie does a good job of presenting V as he is. Doesn't make him a hero or a villian it leaves it up to you to decide what he is....attempts to make him less of a person and more a voice for an idea.

some of the points that were attempted to be brought forth seemed a little forced and that caused the movie to drag a little bit but overall it was well paced and a good movie.

the movie is critical of a gov't that promotes fear to preserve peace/security, this is basically an amped up 1984


and yes natalie is super hawt pre and post hair




so, does it live up to the comic or has there been substantial changes?

[OklahomaTuba]

the movie is critical of a gov't that promotes fear to preserve peace/security, this is basically an amped up 1984

No way. You don't say, huh? Thats a real surprise there.

Its just like Bushhitlers 'Merica in so many ways!

Seems to be a common theme among the crap coming out of hollywood these days.

[GottaHavePride]

1. The movie was awesome.

2. you can read parallels to the US and the current situation if you want, but the source material was writen in 1982, and I believe the Wachowskis were writing the script before they even started the Matrix, so forcing the parallels is getting your timeline out of whack.

3. I would say V is presented as a patriot in the same way the founding fathers of the US were patriots despite their waging war against their recognized government. V was attempting to shock the people of a future Britain into reclaiming the freedoms they gave up to their government out of fear. Plot twist ahead if you haven't seen it: Fear caused by the future British government releasing a virus that murdered nearly 100,000 Britons solely to scare the rest of the populace into giving their Chancellor supreme power.

[SicEmBaylor]

1. The movie was awesome.

2. you can read parallels to the US and the current situation if you want, but the source material was writen in 1982, and I believe the Wachowskis were writing the script before they even started the Matrix, so forcing the parallels is getting your timeline out of whack.

3. I would say V is presented as a patriot in the same way the founding fathers of the US were patriots despite their waging war against their recognized government. V was attempting to shock the people of a future Britain into reclaiming the freedoms they gave up to their government out of fear. Plot twist ahead if you haven't seen it: Fear caused by the future British government releasing a virus that murdered nearly 100,000 Britons solely to scare the rest of the populace into giving their Chancellor supreme power.


The movie is suppose to be based on Thatcherite Britian. If anyone can give me an intelligent comparison between Thatcher era Britian and this movie then I would L-O-V-E to hear it.

Also, I'd like to hear an intelligent well reasoned explanation for how the government in this movie is anything like the Bush administration.

Next, I hardly ever neg spek anyone but I've gotta neg you GHP for comparing this anarchist bozo in a mask with our Founding Fathers.

[proud gonzo]

THIS MOVIE IS AWESOME!!!!

[proud gonzo]

Next, I hardly ever neg spek anyone but I've gotta neg you GHP for comparing this anarchist bozo in a mask with our Founding Fathers.

and why exactly is that? they were revolutionaries. they incited people to rebel and overthrew the government.

[GottaHavePride]

Next, I hardly ever neg spek anyone but I've gotta neg you GHP for comparing this anarchist bozo in a mask with our Founding Fathers.

Hey, some of them seemed to view V as a patriot, despite his blowing up several government buildings. Likewise, our founding fathers declared war on their own government and killed a crapload of British soldiers, but we see them as patriots. In the words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's true from a certain point of view.

[SicEmBaylor]

and why exactly is that? they were revolutionaries. they incited people to rebel and overthrew the government.

So did the Bolshevik revolution; are we going to compare Lenin to Jefferson?

[GottaHavePride]

So did the Bolshevik revolution; are we going to compare Lenin to Jefferson?
If you're comparing the attitude of Lenin's followers toward Lenin with the attitude of Jefferson's followers toward Jefferson, then yeah. Otherwise Lenin wouldn't have had any followers.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

No way. You don't say, huh? Thats a real surprise there.

Its just like Bushhitlers 'Merica in so many ways!

Seems to be a common theme among the crap coming out of hollywood these days.I think you would have to pay me handsomely to sit through another Americabasher movie. F**k hollyweird!

[proud gonzo]

oh my god, can't you people freaking watch a movie and just ENJOY THE EXPLOSIONS AND BLOOD?!?!

[GottaHavePride]

I think you would have to pay me handsomely to sit through another Americabasher movie. F**k hollyweird!

Dude, you're taking Tuba's word about a movie he hasn't even seen. Way to jump to conclusions there.

[SicEmBaylor]

Hey, some of them seemed to view V as a patriot, despite his blowing up several government buildings. Likewise, our founding fathers declared war on their own government and killed a crapload of British soldiers, but we see them as patriots. In the words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's true from a certain point of view.

You're looking at this from a relativists point of view here. As if any revolution is justified because in the eyes of the revolutionary it is. Simply saying that because our Founding Fathers (and the comparison isn't an accurate one because they were trying to REPLACE British rule with self-rule not trying to overthrow the British government entirely)led a revolution that it is in someway comparable to a guy in a mask blowing up British landmarks is absurd.

However, none of this addresses my complaints with the movie. The producer has said that it was inspired by Thatcher era Britian and my question was, "Can someone compare Thatcherite policies to the British government in this movie?" I ask this question in all seriousness. If there is a reasonable connection then I would love to hear it.

Next, you said some might compare the movie to the current situation in the US. How might one compare the two? I'm not even saying YOU would compare the two, but since you said some might then how?

[SicEmBaylor]

oh my god, can't you people freaking watch a movie and just ENJOY THE EXPLOSIONS AND BLOOD?!?!

PG, once again with many movies I might be able to enjoy it if the producers and makers of the movie hadn't come out beforehand and told me what I was suppose to get out of the movie. And since what I'm "suppose" to get out of the movie is offensive to me then how does one enjoy it?

I mean I'm sorry if it annoys you, but it annoys me when I'm told a movie about an oppressive fascist regime is based on a woman who I deeply deeply admire.

[Frozen Sooner]

The movie is suppose to be based on Thatcherite Britian. If anyone can give me an intelligent comparison between Thatcher era Britian and this movie then I would L-O-V-E to hear it.

Also, I'd like to hear an intelligent well reasoned explanation for how the government in this movie is anything like the Bush administration.

Next, I hardly ever neg spek anyone but I've gotta neg you GHP for comparing this anarchist bozo in a mask with our Founding Fathers.

The Graphic Novel (maybe not the movie) was written as a response to Thatcherite Britain, not based on it. The first premise was that Labour won the 1984 elections, which didn't happen.



Oh, yeah, the movie was good.

[Frozen Sooner]

PG, once again with many movies I might be able to enjoy it if the producers and makers of the movie hadn't come out beforehand and told me what I was suppose to get out of the movie. And since what I'm "suppose" to get out of the movie is offensive to me then how does one enjoy it?

I mean I'm sorry if it annoys you, but it annoys me when I'm told a movie about an oppressive fascist regime is based on a woman who I deeply deeply admire.

Yeah, perhaps you shouldn't go see the movie. You should also read the interviews with Alan Moore. He sure didn't like Thatcher, that's evident, but Thatcher's government was NOT the basis for the Norsefire government.

[GottaHavePride]

Next, you said some might compare the movie to the current situation in the US. How might one compare the two? I'm not even saying YOU would compare the two, but since you said some might then how?

There's a lot of the government in power (in the movie) keeping the people in line with surveillance (NSA wiretapping), fear (constant use of 9/11 reminders in speeches; backwards-looking rather than forwards-looking), and religious zealotry (which, if you buy the liberals = Godless hippies argument from Tuba, then surely conservatives = fascist theocracy in the eyes of "libz"). Also talk of the people "giving up their rights" out of fear - again, if you're reaching for it you could say that's a liberal slam on the Patriot Act, so on, so forth.

so it's there, but I don't really consider it a relevant comparison. And as to the Thatcher-era policies, I don't have a clue.


Oh, and as for changes: as far as I can tell they've modernized he whole story arc, rearranged some parts, and changed V's motivation. Originally he was trying to establish an anarchy ("voluntarily-orderly" society) in place of the government. In the movie though, they alter it so he seems to be trying to clear the old fascist government out of the way so that others can replace it with a more just system.

[SicEmBaylor]

The Graphic Novel (maybe not the movie) was written as a response to Thatcherite Britain, not based on it. The first premise was that Labour won the 1984 elections, which didn't happen.



Oh, yeah, the movie was good.

So exactly what aspect of Thatcherite Britian are they responding to?
I'd really love an explanation because I'm genuinely curious. I've never read a comic book before, so I have no idea of the intent behind this one or any other. I'm seriously looking for a reasoned explanation.

[proud gonzo]

]A lot of of us are very sensitive to assaults on our principles. I'm a highly politicized individual..some people see the politics behind movies and others don't. Don't assail me for recognzing and pointing out the politics behind a movie.
I have no problem with people recognizing politics behind a movie. I have a problem when they're so fixated on possible implications or allusions that they are completely incapable of seeing any OTHER aspect of the film.

[SicEmBaylor]

I have no problem with people recognizing politics behind a movie. I have a problem when they're so fixated on possible implications or allusions that they are completely incapable of seeing any OTHER aspect of the film.

It's a movie about a terrorist attacking a fascist regime right? What aspect of the movie am I missing?

[GottaHavePride]

It's a movie about a terrorist attacking a fascist regime right? What aspect of the movie am I missing?
The explosions, the stabbing, and the hawt bald chick. :D

Oh yeah, and the dialog is extremely well written. Nice to listen to. Hugo Weaving did a good job with the character. Explosions to the 1812 Overture don't hurt either.

[SicEmBaylor]

There's a lot of the government in power (in the movie) keeping the people in line with surveillance (NSA wiretapping),

Okay, this I can see but there still is very little basis of comparison. There is a HUGE difference in a Soviet style police state monitoring every phone call, and the US tapping the phones of suspected terror suspects.


fear (constant use of 9/11 reminders in speeches; backwards-looking rather than forwards-looking),

Here's the difference...terrorism IS a continual threat. It was a threat throughout the 90s and it remains a very real threat today. No matter what you think of the President it is a simple matter of fact that terrorism is a continual security problem that we have to deal with. I'm guessing that in the movie there is some sort of percieved threat...well there's a difference between a "made up" threat (such as the supposed threat to the German state posed by Jews which the Nazis used for justifing the Reich's policies) and the VERY REAL threat posed by radical Islam.


and religious zealotry (which, if you buy the liberals = Godless hippies argument from Tuba, then surely conservatives = fascist theocracy in the eyes of "libz"). Also talk of the people "giving up their rights" out of fear - again, if you're reaching for it you could say that's a liberal slam on the Patriot Act, so on, so forth. I don't buy that liberals are Godless hippies, and I'm certainly not evangelical conservative...far from it actually. But the idea that Bush is anything like a fasticst theocrat is absurd. And I say this as a conservative who does not like Bush.


so it's there, but I don't really consider it a relevant comparison. And as to the Thatcher-era policies, I don't have a clue.

Glad to hear you don't think it's relevent. Now we're getting somewhere!


Oh, and as for changes: as far as I can tell they've modernized he whole story arc, rearranged some parts, and changed V's motivation. Originally he was trying to establish an anarchy ("voluntarily-orderly" society) in place of the government. In the movie though, they alter it so he seems to be trying to clear the old fascist government out of the way so that others can replace it with a more just system.

"A more just system" is code for a democratic socialist state.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm now determined to see this movie tomorrow, so I can have a better understanding of the film to attack it.

[proud gonzo]

I'm now determined to see this movie tomorrow, so I can have a better understanding of the film to attack it.
good. i commend you for that.


and in response to your previous post: All I'm seeing is "blah blah blah..." because i'm thinking of duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh DUH DUH DUN BOOM!!!duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh DUH DUH DUN BOOM!!! duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh DUH BOOM!!!..... ;)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Dude, you're taking Tuba's word about a movie he hasn't even seen. Way to jump to conclusions there.I've heard and read other reviews.:)

[OklahomaTuba]

V for Vendetta friday... 3/17/2006 10:50 PM proud gonzo you're a complete dipsh!t.

Always nice to have a good mature conversation with the kids on the board.

[SicEmBaylor]

Always nice to have a good mature conversation with the kids on the board.

I'm a bozo. :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I have no problem with people recognizing politics behind a movie. I have a problem when they're so fixated on possible implications or allusions that they are completely incapable of seeing any OTHER aspect of the film.I think mostly people are JUST TIRED of the relentless hollyweird attack on all conservatives, and the Bush administration in particular. The film industry says they wonder why the numbers are down on overall movie attendance. I don't even think they REALLY care, yet. It's more important to them to perpetually drive their idiot ideas home, hoping to convince more people to be whacko leftists.

[OklahomaTuba]

I'm a bozo. :D

Heh.

Its funny how quickly some get unglued. :D

[OklahomaTuba]

I have no problem with people recognizing politics behind a movie.

Seems you do actually.

[OklahomaTuba]

I think mostly people are JUST TIRED of the relentless hollyweird attack on all conservatives, and the Bush administration in particular. The film industry says they wonder why the numbers are down on overall movie attendance. I don't even think they REALLY care, yet. It's more important to them to perpetually drive their idiot ideas home, hoping to convince more people to be whacko leftists.

Its not that they are trying to turn everyone into wacko leftists, its that they truly believe bush = hitler, and want to advance that thought by releasing films that back up what they believe, even if they are based on cartoons and fiction. Hell, these same people wrote a friggin campaigne commercial comparing Bush to Hitler in 2004!

Hence the comments around starwars, movies by moore and cLooney, etc, etc.

Oh well, I will probably get dragged to see it some day, and will probably enjoy it if it is well made.

[SicEmBaylor]

starwars, movies by moore and cLooney, etc, etc.

Oh well, I will probably get dragged to see it some day, and will probably enjoy it if it is well made.

I might be one of the few people who supports the Empire.
Check out this piece from the Weekly Standard titled "The Case for the Empire."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp

It's a bit old but worth reading. :)

[OklahomaTuba]

I might be one of the few people who supports the Empire.
Check out this piece from the Weekly Standard titled "The Case for the Empire."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp

It's a bit old but worth reading. :)

Thats great. My favorite line...

The Force, it turns out, is an inherited, genetic trait. If you don't have the blood, you don't get the Force. Which makes the Jedi not a democratic militia, but a royalist Swiss guard.

[Octavian]

I might be one of the few people who supports the Empire.
Check out this piece from the Weekly Standard titled "The Case for the Empire."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp

It's a bit old but worth reading. :)

as a libertarian I don't see how thats possible but if you want a case for a global imperium...Niall Ferguson makes the best case I've read. He's a young British historian who's considered (in many circles) to be the Michael Jordan of his field.

http://www.niallferguson.org/publications.html

Empire and Colossus are both outstanding and deal directly w/ America's new imperium. I recommend...

[SicEmBaylor]

as a libertarian I don't see how thats possible but if you want a case for a global imperium...Niall Ferguson makes the best case I've read. He's a young British historian who's considered (in many circles) to be the Michael Jordan of his field.

http://www.niallferguson.org/publications.html

Empire and Colossus are both outstanding and deal directly w/ America's new imperium. I recommend...

If I were a libertarian it wouldn't be and low and behold I'm not a libertarian ;-).

[Octavian]

he's an arch-conservative BTW

[OklahomaTuba]

Speaking of leftist wackos and hollywood...


GEORGE SOROS, the billionaire financier, has taken control of the film library of DreamWorks SKG from Viacom, the entertainment giant, in a deal worth $900 million (£510 million).http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13129-2091673,00.html

[Octavian]

If I were a libertarian it wouldn't be and low and behold I'm not a libertarian ;-).

learn somethin new everyday ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

"A message of standing up for religious freedom, hm."

Neg spek from the oh-so-enlightened OklahomaTuba who's never seen a hollywood film he likes-mainly because he just plugs himself into the blogopipe to find out what he thinks about films.

Yes, as a matter of fact. One of the things (briefly) touched on in the film is religious tolerance and that it's possible to see beauty in a religion without agreeing with it.

[Frozen Sooner]

So exactly what aspect of Thatcherite Britian are they responding to?
I'd really love an explanation because I'm genuinely curious. I've never read a comic book before, so I have no idea of the intent behind this one or any other. I'm seriously looking for a reasoned explanation.

So, you admit to having never read the source material nor seen the movie but you seem to think that you're qualified to make statements about the government as portrayed in either?

Moore was quite aghast at the time about some of the comments being made by the Thatcher government about homosexuals and immigrants. Ironically, Thatcher was one of the conservatives who stood to decriminalize male homosexuality back in the 70s. At the time he began writing, British society was in a great deal of turmoil, and it seemed almost certain that Labour would oust Thatcher in the 1984 elections-but it disturbed him that people could fall into xenophobic attitudes so easily.

Moore's intent was never to make a liberal vs. conservative argument, by the way. His argument was anarchist vs. statist. In Moore's estimation, all government was bad. It just seemed more likely to him that a Nazi-style authoritarian state would more likely arise in Britain than a Socialist-style authoritarian state. Either one would be equally bad.

I don't agree with Alan Moore's politics (other than his belief that authoritarian states are bad), by the way. He's crazier than a ****house rat. Guy claims to be a practicing magician of the Aleister Crowley school. However, he writes some powerful stuff, and in my opinion the Wachowski Brothers did a good job of bringing it to the screen.

Were there messages in the movie inserted by the Wachowskis that probably had something to do with their feelings about the current President? Probably. But if you go into the movie attempting to watch it as art instead of political commentary, you'll probably enjoy it a lot more.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I loved the movie and I didn't see Bush political bashing on any level. V is such an incredibly complex character. This was just refreshing because Hollywood pumps out characters that are either good or bad. V isn't good but he isn't bad either...he is just doing what he thinks is right. The fact of the matter is the media has turned this into a Bush Bashing film. I am sure if you give them enough time you can see the Anti-Bush aspects of Herbie Fully Loaded. The explosion sequences and use of music was beyond spectacular, Kubrick would have been proud. The characters were magnificent. Just a really solid movie.

[Hatfield]

So exactly what aspect of Thatcherite Britian are they responding to?
I'd really love an explanation because I'm genuinely curious. I've never read a comic book before, so I have no idea of the intent behind this one or any other. I'm seriously looking for a reasoned explanation.

this will probably answer any questions you have regarding the comic book
http://www.shadowgalaxy.net/Vendetta/vmain.html

[Hatfield]

It's a movie about a terrorist attacking a fascist regime right? What aspect of the movie am I missing?

that is such a gross oversimplification of what V is...akin to me saying the founding fathers were terrorists.(a comparision which you steadfastly have refused to entertain...shortsighted as it may be)

[Hatfield]

p.s.

THIS MOVIE IS NOT A SLAM ON BUSH.

just a heads up to all you paranoid bush fluffers. It is funny that you rant and rave about hollywierd making yet another attack on bush but so far you are the only ones in here making that jump.

[reevie]

I don't agree with Alan Moore's politics (other than his belief that authoritarian states are bad), by the way. He's crazier than a ****house rat. Guy claims to be a practicing magician of the Aleister Crowley school. However, he writes some powerful stuff, and in my opinion the Wachowski Brothers did a good job of bringing it to the screen.

Here is the recluse Moore, the mind behind V.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5481/biomoore0fa.jpg

Everyone should go pick up a copy of Watchmen, another classic he wrote, and we can discuss how prohetic he was in writting about an American invasion of Afghanistan. He has also written a couple of other graphic novels (comics) that have been put to film recently and much to his disgust. From Hell staring Johnny Depp and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

[Frozen Sooner]

I loved the movie and I didn't see Bush political bashing on any level. V is such an incredibly complex character. This was just refreshing because Hollywood pumps out characters that are either good or bad. V isn't good but he isn't bad either...he is just doing what he thinks is right. The fact of the matter is the media has turned this into a Bush Bashing film. I am sure if you give them enough time you can see the Anti-Bush aspects of Herbie Fully Loaded. The explosion sequences and use of music was beyond spectacular, Kubrick would have been proud. The characters were magnificent. Just a really solid movie.


Good for you for going into the movie with an open mind and appreciating it as art.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

p.s.

THIS MOVIE IS NOT A SLAM ON BUSH.

just a heads up to all you paranoid bush fluffers. It is funny that you rant and rave about hollywierd making yet another attack on bush but so far you are the only ones in here making that jump.:) And I don't really expect you guys on the left to EVER claim any movie has a leftist agenda... even if the star says "Down with the evil George Bush, and his neanderthal simpleton Christians, who want people to say a Jesus prayer of thanks to be an American before everything they do in public.":)

[Frozen Sooner]

Here is the recluse Moore, the mind behind V.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5481/biomoore0fa.jpg

Everyone should go pick up a copy of Watchmen, another classic he wrote, and we can discuss how prohetic he was in writting about an American invasion of Afghanistan. He has also written a couple of other graphic novels (comics) that have been put to film recently and much to his disgust. From Hell staring Johnny Depp and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

I'd disagree that everyone should pick up Watchmen. Great story, true, but man it's pretty dense for someone who's not used to what can be done with the medium.

I'm beginning to wonder if that's the only picture of Alan Moore in existence. It's the one they use for everything

[Frozen Sooner]

:) And I don't really expect you guys on the left to EVER claim any movie has a leftist agenda... even if the star says "Down with the evil George Bush, and his neanderthal simpleton Christians, who want people to say a Jesus prayer of thanks to be an American before everything they do in public.":)

The truth isn't an agenda.

I kid I kid. :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The truth isn't an agenda.

I kid I kid. :D;) Uh huh.

[Hatfield]

and i hope my previous posts didn't sound too antagonistical...mucho hungovero

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, I may have had a couple of barley pops before my first post in this thread, then went out and had a few more, came back and posted a couple more times.

Perhaps a thread that just discusses the movie itself would be in order?

Seriously, though, I thought the Wachowskis did a very good job taking a VERY dense graphic novel that didn't have a whole lot of actual action in it and adapting it to the big screen. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

[picasso]

here's the deal guys. some conservatives are tired of being lumped in with the bad guy, or dork, stiff type, hater, religious nut, etc..
I'm all for the other side voicing, proclaiming, pointing, comparing.
I'm also still waiting for the movie Miracle to explain the mess that was the Jimmy Carter years.

[Frozen Sooner]

here's the deal guys. some conservatives are tired of being lumped in with the bad guy, or dork, stiff type, hater, religious nut, etc..
I'm all for the other side voicing, proclaiming, pointing, comparing.
I'm also still waiting for the movie Miracle to explain the mess that was the Jimmy Carter years.

Do you imagine that some liberals are tired of being lumped in with kooks and America-haters?

[Hatfield]

i thought they did a great job of letting V be just V and leaving it up to you the audience to decide what you wanted about him.

they didn't push you one way or the other in helping you decide hero/villian/lunatic.

[Frozen Sooner]

I'd agree with that statement Hatfield.

I think they did well to cut out the whole party-member wife subplot-it worked well in the GN, but I don't think it would have survived the transition to the screen.

I didn't like the mass Guy Fawkes protest at the end. V is about individuality, not conformity.

I think that if some of the people that are virulently opposed to this movie went and saw it with an open mind and forgot anything they'd heard about it, they'd kind of like V. His signature line of "People shouldn't be afraid of their goverments, governments should be afraid of their people" is quite conservative in nature.

[reevie]

I'd disagree that everyone should pick up Watchmen. Great story, true, but man it's pretty dense for someone who's not used to what can be done with the medium.

Valid point. But it is an amazing piece of work, regardless of the fact that it is a graphic novel. We could recommend people watch The Incredibles for the non-dense version.


I'm beginning to wonder if that's the only picture of Alan Moore in existence. It's the one they use for everything

Isn't there a black and white head shot of him out there also?

[Octavian]

"Indeed it is" -FrozenSooner

Negspek from the oh-so-enlightened Froze on my statement that Ferguson is an arch-conservative historian. :confused:

...a nonsensical response which has left me confused.

[Frozen Sooner]

Er, I didn't write that.

Seriously.

[Frozen Sooner]

I'll amend that-if I did post it, it was by mistake and was meant for someone else. I have no problems with anything you've written in this thread.

[Octavian]

I have no problems with anything you've written in this thread.

whew...I can sleep easy tonight ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Well, you know. I figured it was keeping you up and all.

HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT FERGUSON IS AN ARCH-CONSERVATIVE!

BASTARD!

[OklahomaTuba]

"A message of standing up for religious freedom, hm."

Neg spek from the oh-so-enlightened OklahomaTuba who's never seen a hollywood film he likes-mainly because he just plugs himself into the blogopipe to find out what he thinks about films.

Yes, as a matter of fact. One of the things (briefly) touched on in the film is religious tolerance and that it's possible to see beauty in a religion without agreeing with it.

Damn froz, didn't know you were so sensitive to being negspeked. Perhaps you should think about that before you negspek other people???

Actually, I was responding to YOUR first oh-so-enlightened neg spek of me, in which I responded to the fact of this post you made on page 1...


Not if they stay true to the source material. Anarchists, yes. Don't think there's any reference by the protagonist to religion whatsoever.

But please, feel free to miscomprehend and take personally comments on a message board in your continued nekspeking of me.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, somehow I'm not surprised that you don't get it.

The protagonist does not make any reference to religion in the source material whatsoever. The movie does make some references to religious freedom, but not by the protagonist. Not one single person in the film is muslim, which was what I was responding to in my original post.

However, I'm not surprised that you fail to read in context and are unable to make the distinction between a protagonist and other characters in a story.

And since you're the biggest crybaby in the world any time someone says anything the slightest bit critical of you and call everyone who disagrees with you intolerant, I figured that turnabout was fair play.

[SicEmBaylor]

Alright I'm about to leave to see this movie.
I've given my pre-screening thoughts on the matter and been negged up the rump for it.

But I'm going to ATTEMPT to put everything I've heard about the film behind me while watching it. I don't think it's going to matter though becuase when it gets down to it..I am a conformist type guy who likes law and order. I just dont' think there is anything in my own personality that will lead me to have a favorable opinion of the person you're suppose to have a favorable opinion of.

Here's my question; Can I enjoy this movie regardless of the politics behind it? We'll see...

And Frozen, yes I've made these judgements having never seen the movie but I wasn't around for the French Revolution either yet I have an opinion on it.

[GDC]

My question would be why did Alan Moore refuse to have anything to do with the movie?

[reevie]

I think Moore is the type of fellow who thinks that his work is art and that changing mediums does not do it justice. He would prefer someone pick up the book, read it and absorb it rather than watch someone compress it for a 2 hour movie. And after the poor League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie, I think he has no faith in Hollywood.

The interesting thing is that the artist for V appears to be very excited about the movie.

[proud gonzo]

Perhaps a thread that just discusses the movie itself would be in order?

or maybe a thread just for people who have actually SEEN the movie. :rolleyes:

[Octavian]

my viewing starts in an hour...

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

or maybe a thread just for people who have actually SEEN the movie. :rolleyes:

hippie



;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Alright I'm about to leave to see this movie.
I've given my pre-screening thoughts on the matter and been negged up the rump for it.

But I'm going to ATTEMPT to put everything I've heard about the film behind me while watching it. I don't think it's going to matter though becuase when it gets down to it..I am a conformist type guy who likes law and order. I just dont' think there is anything in my own personality that will lead me to have a favorable opinion of the person you're suppose to have a favorable opinion of.

Here's my question; Can I enjoy this movie regardless of the politics behind it? We'll see...

And Frozen, yes I've made these judgements having never seen the movie but I wasn't around for the French Revolution either yet I have an opinion on it.

Yeah, that's not an apples and Subarus comparison at all. Because historical events you've read accounts of and works of art that you've never interacted with are completely similar.

[SoonerInKCMO]

I'm going to see it on IMAX tonight!

RMFO!

[SicEmBaylor]

Well, I just got back from the movie.

Let me issue something akin to an apology for those who liked the movie; It was entertaining and I can certainly why people who have seen it like it.

I did enjoy it myself when I was able to totally block out the political undertones of the movie.

[Frozen Sooner]

Good on ya, SicEm. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. I was geniuinely curious how you would like it.

[proud gonzo]

Well, I just got back from the movie.

Let me issue something akin to an apology for those who liked the movie; It was entertaining and I can certainly why people who have seen it like it.

I did enjoy it myself when I was able to totally block out the political undertones of the movie.
maybe you aren't such a bozo after all :D

[Hatfield]

Well, I just got back from the movie.

Let me issue something akin to an apology for those who liked the movie; It was entertaining and I can certainly why people who have seen it like it.

I did enjoy it myself when I was able to totally block out the political undertones of the movie.


nowhere did you mention the hawtness that is natalie.....

glad you liked the flick. What did you think about their portrayal of V. Did you feel like you were free to not like him?

[Hatfield]

My question would be why did Alan Moore refuse to have anything to do with the movie?

he doesn't have anything to do with anything he does that gets adapted.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So, what's the next anti-American movie to be thrown at us? Moviephiles fill us in, please.

[SicEmBaylor]

nowhere did you mention the hawtness that is natalie.....

glad you liked the flick. What did you think about their portrayal of V. Did you feel like you were free to not like him?

I found the movie entertaining.

Actually, I sort of had the same feeling of V that I had when I watch a movie like "Enemy at the Gates." I'm totally unsure of which side I should be on. I mean I was sympathetic to V to a certain point, and at no time did I feel sympathetic toward the government. However, at its core V stood against everything that I stand for. Namely, a lawful orderly society. Now certainly not to the extent that I would support the government in the movie, but neither can I totally approve of V's motives and tactics.

Still, it was an entertaining movie and maybe I should just learn to enjoy a movie without considering the political implications. This is hard for me to do though becuase I consider the political implications of everything including my choice of soft drink.

[Hatfield]

i know what you mean, it seems even V himself wanted to be more than what he was...for all his "noble" aspirations he couldn't remove himself from something as pedestrian as revenge

[SicEmBaylor]

One other thing....

I think another problem I had with the movie is the fact that it portrayed a fasicst government. Now, I'm not defending fascism by any means but I'd like that just ONCE a movie depict an evil leftist style government. You could easily have replaced the fascist regime with a puppet Soviet regime and I think I would have liked the movie a bit more.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

So, what's the next anti-American movie to be thrown at us? Moviephiles fill us in, please.

She's The Man starring Amanda Bynes

"When her big brother decides to ditch for a couple weeks in London, Viola heads over to his elite boarding school, disguises herself as him, and proceeds to fall for one of her soccer teammates. Little does she realize she's not the only one with romantic troubles, as she, as he, gets in the middle of a series of intermingled love affairs"


I mean seriously the hard core conservatist need to just chill....you run Congress, The Supreme Court, and the Presidency...trust me when I tell you that you guys aren't the unheard minority. Don't be ****ed that cinema isn't all Passion of the Christ 24/7. Yes, I get tired of hearing the far left people whine and complain. Guess what, I don't watch the movies I don't want to watch and I watch the ones I want to. I mean you guys make some of the most unnattachable things. If this was Hatfield attacking the Passion...Tuba would post something about Al Qaeda hates the Passion so Hatfield must hate America...I mean for **** sake, it is a movie to relax and enjoy some cool explosions, some hot chicks, funny stories, maybe a little bit of everything, but when I am at the theatre I could care less about their political agenda if it has nothing to do with whether or not I enjoy the film

[SicEmBaylor]

I don't think Hollywood should make sure every movie they make passes some right-wing litmust test. But I would like to see more movies that show the greatness of America and Americans. That defends the classic institutions of America.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

OK, a political movie I enjoyed, as well as EVERYONE I know that has seen it is "Harrison Bergeron" from 1995, starring Sean Astin and Christopher Plummer. It was based upon a short story by Curt Vonnegut. Although it's political, you can't say for sure what the politics was at the time of the Second American Revolution, which peceeded the setting of the movie/story.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I don't think Hollywood should make sure every movie they make passes some right-wing litmust test. But I would like to see more movies that show the greatness of America and Americans. That defends the classic institutions of America. Such as capitalism, the rule of law, and representative govt. No, I don't think it's too much to ask from a movie, for a refreshing change.:)

[SoonerInKCMO]

Such as capitalism, the rule of law, and representative govt. No, I don't think it's too much to ask from a movie, for a refreshing change.:)

That'd be nice, but movies about that stuff wouldn't have explosions and blood spurting everywhere. ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Such as capitalism, the rule of law, and representative govt. No, I don't think it's too much to ask from a movie, for a refreshing change.:)

They're out there, but it's kind of hard to make great art defending the status quo.

[SoonerProphet]

Just returned from the 8 o'clock showing at the local multiplex in Ridgmar. Took the 14 year old, asked him after if V was a good or a bad guy, he said it depended on what came after.

[SicEmBaylor]

Just returned from the 8 o'clock showing at the local multiplex in Ridgmar. Took the 14 year old, asked him after if V was a good or a bad guy, he said it depended on what came after.

Smart kid!

[GottaHavePride]

Such as capitalism, the rule of law, and representative govt. No, I don't think it's too much to ask from a movie, for a refreshing change.:)

I wouldn't mind seeing Raymond Feist's Shadow of a Dark Queen turned into a movie. It only has two of the three, though.

[proud gonzo]

OK, a political movie I enjoyed, as well as EVERYONE I know that has seen it is "Harrison Bergeron" from 1995, starring Sean Astin and Christopher Plummer. It was based upon a short story by Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Although it's political, you can't say for sure what the politics was at the time of the Second American Revolution, which peceeded the setting of the movie/story.

fixed ;)

[Frozen Sooner]

I wouldn't mind seeing Raymond Feist's Shadow of a Dark Queen turned into a movie. It only has two of the three, though.

Interesting choice. I assume you're talking about the Rupert Avery character?

Got to meet REF once in San Diego. To give you an idea of how long ago this was, he was signing copies of his new book Silverthorn.

[GottaHavePride]

Interesting choice. I assume you're talking about the Rupert Avery character?

Got to meet REF once in San Diego. To give you an idea of how long ago this was, he was signing copies of his new book Silverthorn.

With the capitalist part, yeah. That whole 4-book arc would translate to film pretty well, except Book 2 (The one centered on Avery) would have to e condensed. A lot of financial maneuvering, not a lot of action.

Heck, I've read Silverthorn, but he wrote that one WAY back.

[Frozen Sooner]

Heh. I bought it when it came out and was REALLY excited about it. Heck, I remember waiting with great anticipation when Magician: Master came out.

I'm old.

I even still have my hardback copy of Daughter of the Empire rolling around somewhere.

[proud gonzo]

Heh. I bought it when it came out and was REALLY excited about it. Heck, I remember waiting with great anticipation when Magician: Master came out.

I'm old.

I even still have my hardback copy of Daughter of the Empire rolling around somewhere.
oh man, that was a good book. I've only read that and Magician: Apprentice.... I need to read the rest over the summer

[GottaHavePride]

I've got paperbacks of all of those. Last one I read was King of Foxes - I haven't had a chance to track down the next one.

I'm also waiting for someone to do a movie treatment of a Terry Pratchett, but I think it's going to have to be the Wallace and Gromit people to get it done right. Live action wouldn't do it jusice, I don't think.

[proud gonzo]

I've got paperbacks of all of those. Last one I read was King of Foxes - I haven't had a chance to track down the next one.

I'm also waiting for someone to do a movie treatment of a Terry Pratchett, but I think it's going to have to be the Wallace and Gromit people to get it done right. Live action wouldn't do it jusice, I don't think.
they've done a couple for tv apparently

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0695332/

[Frozen Sooner]

Actually, there was a link on Fark talking about a Hogfather movie getting made. :D

[Frozen Sooner]

That's spooky, PG and I were just on the exact same IMDB page.

[proud gonzo]

creepy. was it backwards for you?

[GottaHavePride]

Actually, there was a link on Fark talking about a Hogfather movie getting made. :D

Sweet. Carpe Jugulum is the other one that jumps to mind as translating well. Plus I just like the Nac mac Feegle.

Oh, and YMSSRA...

[proud gonzo]

Sweet. Carpe Jugulum is the other one that jumps to mind as translating well. Plus I just like the Nac mac Feegle.

Oh, and YMSSRA...
STikkit yer trakkans, ye daft besom!

[Frozen Sooner]

Sweet. Carpe Jugulum is the other one that jumps to mind as translating well. Plus I just like the Nac mac Feegle.

Oh, and YMSSRA...

Read "Wee Free Folk" yet? If you like the Nac mac Feegle, you'll dig it a lot.

[Frozen Sooner]

creepy. was it backwards for you?

It almost always is.

Awwww yeah.

That's a whole lot of pudding.

[proud gonzo]

Read "Wee Free Folk" yet? If you like the Nac mac Feegle, you'll dig it a lot.
heehee :D that one was awesome

[GottaHavePride]

Read "Wee Free Folk" yet? If you like the Nac mac Feegle, you'll dig it a lot.

Oh yeah. That one was good. I think my all-time favorite was The Last Continent, though.

[yermom]

enough threadjacking...

Natalie Portman was hawt before during and after shaving her head :D

that story may have been written in '82 but it was still released now for a reason...

as for comparing that government with ours, it's not necessarily comparing, it could also be someone's logical conclusion as to where it's going. the government isn't exactly going to give up the power given to it, if we give up our rights out of fear, we probably aren't getting them back. new things to fear will just keep appearing. kinda like this "war" we are in

[OUTromBoNado]

Saw this tonight with NormanPride and Soonerdood. I thought it was a great movie. Great story, great acting, great action, great dialogue.

At least for me, I didn't have any problems politically with this movie. Probably because I'm not a very politically active person. Politics always ends with me getting frustrated and disheartened. I don't have the patience for politics.

What really made the movie click for me was the use of symbolism. The symbolism of different things in regards to other things in the story. There are symbols that could be compared to current and past politics. And yes, you will see them if you choose to see them. The cool thing about the symbolism is that any person can choose to interpret it however you want. If you think it's an anti-America story, fine. You can take that from it. I personally took it as another story in the long-line of stories about opporessive government and the revolutionaries instituting a change.

I really think it's a stretch to say the story is an attack on Bush-America since it was originally written in 1982. I'll admit, I've never read the original, so I don't know how much/if the Wachowskis embellished some of it.


the movie is critical of a gov't that promotes fear to preserve peace/security, this is basically an amped up 1984

I thought this exact thing when I walked out of the theatre. In fact, in our discussion on the way to the car, I said, "This makes me want to finish reading 1984."


So, what's the next anti-American movie to be thrown at us? Moviephiles fill us in, please.

X-Men 3. With the government trying to institute a cure for the "mutant problem."




Oh yeah, and Natalie Portman is hawt.:eek:

[Hatfield]

that story may have been written in '82 but it was still released now for a reason...

yeah...they had to do the matrix trilogy first to get the money and power to make this flick. They have been wanting to do this for quite awhile...just had to wait until they had the weight to get r done

[yermom]

that may be the case, but i'm kinda cynical ;)

i obviously don't know but it's pretty convenient

i would think that The Matrix would have given them all the money and clout they needed to make this flick

of course if you look at this movie and the Matrix movies, they are kinda similar in theme

[GDC]

I liked the movie a lot and the X Men trailer looked good, with Beast, Angel, Cannonball and of course Phoenix. I pulled all my old Claremont/Byrne issues out of my parent's attic the other day, good stuff.

[yermom]

we got the Superman trailer, but no X-Men trailer

[Frozen Sooner]

I liked the movie a lot and the X Men trailer looked good, with Beast, Angel, Cannonball and of course Phoenix. I pulled all my old Claremont/Byrne issues out of my parent's attic the other day, good stuff.

I knew I liked you.

[OUTromBoNado]

we got the Superman trailer, but no X-Men trailer

That's because "V for Vendetta" and "Superman" were published by DC Comics. You're not gonna see a trailer for a Marvel movie at a DC movie and vice versa.

And the fanfare during the Superman trailer was teh awesome.

[GottaHavePride]

That's because "V for Vendetta" and "Superman" were published by DC Comics. You're not gonna see a trailer for a Marvel movie at a DC movie and vice versa.

And the fanfare during the Superman trailer was teh awesome.

I saw an X-Men trailer before V for Vendetta along with the Superman trailer.

[Frozen Sooner]

That's because "V for Vendetta" and "Superman" were published by DC Comics. You're not gonna see a trailer for a Marvel movie at a DC movie and vice versa.

And the fanfare during the Superman trailer was teh awesome.

I got an X-men trailer.

Trailer packs are determined by theater chain, I think.

[Octavian]

saw V last night.

good movie...released at an appropriate time.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

saw V last night.

good movie...intentionally released at a politically appropriate time.appropriately edited.:eddie:

[yermom]

of course with all the media control in the movie it kinda makes me think of North Korea too

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

oh look now yermom is comparing to Bush to Kim Jong Il!!!!! You libz amaze me sometimes ;)

[Octavian]

appropriately edited.:eddie:

could it be unintentionally released?

have you seen it?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

could it be unintentionally released?

have you seen it?Not likely, and although I'm sure it's a wonderful movie, I have no present plans to see it.

[royalfan5]

I just got back from the movie and I can say I enjoyed it immensely. I thought it was a very good movie, I would recommend it to anyone. Plus it always warms my heart to see British stuff getting blown up.

[Norm In Norman]

It must suck going through life trying to constantly find things to blame the "other party" for. I mean hell, some of you can't even watch a movie and be entertained because it's obviously an attempt to smear ... something or other.

Well, I watched the movie and liked it. But that doesn't have much point in this thread.

[Rhino]

Trailer packs are determined by theater chain, I think. Depends. Some come already on the movie, put there by the distributor. Some have special arrangements with the chain to be put on x amount of movies. Some are put on the front of movies by bratty teenager movie projectionists that just want to see the X-Men trailer earlier than they're supposed to - and that was usually me.

[mdklatt]

Now, I'm not defending fascism by any means but I'd like that just ONCE a movie depict an evil leftist style government.

I guess you're too young to have seen Red Dawn. :D



You could easily have replaced the fascist regime with a puppet Soviet regime and I think I would have liked the movie a bit more.

Fascist, leftist...what's the difference?