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thats frickin hot!
(for reference, the interior of the sun is estimated to be about 15million degrees kelvin)
http://www.livescience.com/technology/060308_sandia_z.html
and they aren't even sure how they did it! beautiful!
either there's something wrong with their equipment, which is doubtful (but possible) since there are some pretty smart people working there, and I'm almost sure that they thought about all possible equipment related problems...or theres some new physics going on there that we don't yet know about....fun!
Probably Habanero Jack cheese.
mdklatt
3/8/2006, 10:14 PM
15million degrees kelvin
Mods - Can we get this moved to the basketball forum where it belongs?
Were there fingerprints on their lens? That messed them up in Weird Science. Maybe that is what happened here too.
;)
swardboy
3/8/2006, 10:16 PM
"Me no know. Me no care. Me push button and it go somewhere."
- Pedro
GottaHavePride
3/8/2006, 10:19 PM
Sweet! Next stop, flying cars!
mdklatt
3/8/2006, 10:26 PM
or theres some new physics going on there that we don't yet know about....fun!
So what you're saying is that we don't know how close they were to vaporizing New Mexico? :D
How do you measure a temperature of 2 billion degrees anyway? I'm guessing the Stefan-Boltzmann constant is involved.
So what you're saying is that we don't know how close they were to vaporizing New Mexico? :D
that would have been awesome. i wouldn't have to worry about going to work again.
mdklatt
3/8/2006, 10:32 PM
i wouldn't have to worry about going to work again.
Or anything else. :eek:
Okla-homey
3/8/2006, 10:42 PM
2 billion...6 gazillion...27 buzillion, what's the diff really? When its that hot, it don't really matter no more. Of course some scientific type will try to say having a benchmark temperature at the sun's core will allow us to predict when the sun starts to burn out -- which will be really handy about 43 jillion years from now.
soonerscuba
3/8/2006, 10:50 PM
I'm more scared of a gamma ray burst destroying all life with no warning. Read up on 'em. Pure speculation, but some have stated it might have killed the dinosaurs.
Okla-homey
3/8/2006, 10:56 PM
I'm more scared of a gamma ray burst destroying all life with no warning. Read up on 'em. Pure speculation, but some have stated it might have killed the dinosaurs.
There are days when I feel a burst of gamma rays destroying all life on Earth would be a lucky break for us all. As long as its quick and all.;)
sanantoniosooner
3/8/2006, 10:58 PM
Dino-flatulation caused their extinction.
The earth became one giant dutch oven.
By what means did they measure this temperature? 15 million degrees Kelvin would pretty much melt any instrument/probe/thermal couple...:confused:
sanantoniosooner
3/8/2006, 10:59 PM
By what means did they measure this temperature? 15 million degrees Kelvin would pretty much melt any instrument/probe/thermal couple...:confused:
They used the open palm test, like with BBQ grills.
Anybody else hearing Buster Poindexter?
soonerscuba
3/8/2006, 11:03 PM
Ike might have to call me a jack-***, but they have used light emissions from other experiments to measure the heat within said light source.
Oldnslo
3/8/2006, 11:05 PM
So, how hot is this in relation to, say, VK's curling iron?
Or anything else. :eek:
right now, that would be A-OK.
temperatures in that range are measured by recording some sample of the light emitted by whatever gas/object you want to measure the temperature of. the known blackbody radiation curve is then used to determine the temperature based on the spectrum of light emitted. Im guessing that this is what they used.
they also could have done it another way. if they knew the diameter of their plasma beam, they could concievably put it in a magnetic field at the end of the machine and measure the radius of curvature of the released ions and electrons to determine their average energy, and extrapolate a temperature from that.
in the sandia press release, they mention that the temperature was measured with spectrometers, but whether these were measuring the photon specturm or the energy spectrum of the ions or electrons they don't say.
anyway, the end result for hillbillies like y'all is that this is a new milestone that has been met in the quest to produce sustainable fusion reactions, which in turn might lead to fusion power plants...which means all the benifits of nuclear power without that pesky radioactive waste. in other words, good **** all around.
you may aks yo'self why the temps need to be that high for fusion when it happens in the sun at much much lower temperatures. The answer is quite simply that we don't have statistics (large numbers of atoms) and gravity on our side in producing fusion for consumable use, and the sun does which makes its interior a nice place to create lots of fusion energy at 'cool' temperatures.
Were there fingerprints on their lens? That messed them up in Weird Science. Maybe that is what happened here too.
;)
no man, they forgot to connect the doll, that and they made the boobs too big ;)
you are thinking of Real Genius i think
no man, they forgot to connect the doll, that and they made the boobs too big ;)
you are thinking of Real Genius i think
Oops. You are absolutely correct.
Oh great. Now we're gonna have a "Hot War."
SoonerWood
3/9/2006, 09:33 AM
More interesting than the temperature they reached is the fact that they produced more energy than it took to run the experiment. That's awesome!
crawfish
3/9/2006, 09:44 AM
I bet that would heat up leftovers in, like, seconds flat!
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 09:45 AM
thats frickin hot!
(for reference, the interior of the sun is estimated to be about 15million degrees kelvin)
http://www.livescience.com/technology/060308_sandia_z.html
and they aren't even sure how they did it! beautiful!
either there's something wrong with their equipment, which is doubtful (but possible) since there are some pretty smart people working there, and I'm almost sure that they thought about all possible equipment related problems...or theres some new physics going on there that we don't yet know about....fun!
to convert that to fahrenheit, add 273
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 09:52 AM
my bad. add 273 to convert to Centigrade
add 457.87 to convert to fahrenheit.
Stanley1
3/9/2006, 09:59 AM
I was that hot from 3 point land once.
I got nuthin'. :O
add 457.87 to convert to fahrenheit.
Still not quite right ;).
Still not quite right ;).
yeah, it's like subtract 273, multiply by 9/5, add 32
sanantoniosooner
3/9/2006, 10:18 AM
9 gazinta 72......uh......212.......uh
5/9 or is it 9/5...........
SoonerWood
3/9/2006, 10:20 AM
They still have yet to reach the heat of Salma Hayek, which is 3.6 billion deg. Kelvin
Who cares, we'll still bow out before the second weekend of the tourney.
mdklatt
3/9/2006, 10:24 AM
How do you measure a temperature of 2 billion degrees anyway? I'm guessing the Stefan-Boltzmann constant is involved.
temperatures in that range are measured by recording some sample of the light emitted by whatever gas/object you want to measure the temperature of. the known blackbody radiation curve is then used to determine the temperature based on the spectrum of light emitted. Im guessing that this is what they used.
See? I told you so.
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 10:24 AM
Still not quite right ;).
yes it is.
http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver14.htm#kf2
yes it is.
http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver14.htm#kf2
what temp are you converting? :confused:
373 K is the same as 212 in Fahrenheit, i'm not sure how that would involve 457.87...
SoonerWood
3/9/2006, 10:29 AM
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mdklatt
3/9/2006, 10:29 AM
yes it is.
F = (K - 273.15)*1.8 + 32
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 10:31 AM
what temp are you converting? :confused:
373 K is the same as 212 in Fahrenheit, i'm not sure how that would involve 457.87...
1 K = -457.87 F
sanantoniosooner
3/9/2006, 10:31 AM
See? I told you so.
I would spekked you if that info was worthy of it.
sanantoniosooner
3/9/2006, 10:32 AM
1 K = -457.87 F
Jay will KICK your *** if he hears you talking about kelvin negatively.
mdklatt
3/9/2006, 10:36 AM
1 K = -457.87 F
Your mathematical deduction is flawed.
A temperature of 1 K is equal to a temperature of -457.87 F, but 1 degree K is equal to 1.8 degrees F.
It would be interesting to know what experiments are going on in white sands, los alamos, etc, that they don't let us in on.
mdklatt
3/9/2006, 10:46 AM
It would be interesting to know what experiments are going on in...los alamos...that they don't let us in on.
I know somebody that works there. I'll ask.
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 10:48 AM
Your mathematical deduction is flawed.
A temperature of 1 K is equal to a temperature of -457.87 F, but 1 degree K is equal to 1.8 degrees F.
it's not my mathematical deduction.
it's from http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver14.htm#ck2
try some other numbers
like 2,000,000,000 K is 3,599,999,540.33 °
I know somebody that works there. I'll ask.
Ask how the plasma/particle cannons are coming along.
mdklatt
3/9/2006, 11:05 AM
it's not my mathematical deduction.
it's from http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver14.htm#ck2
You're assuming that temperature conversions work the same as everything else, like inches to feet. You can use that web site to figure out that 1 foot is 12 inches, and that's all you need to know to do the conversion. But temperature is different. The Fahrenheit and Celsius scales do not start at zero, so there is an offset as well as a ratio to deal with.
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 11:17 AM
You're assuming that temperature conversions work the same as everything else, like inches to feet. You can use that web site to figure out that 1 foot is 12 inches, and that's all you need to know to do the conversion. But temperature is different. The Fahrenheit and Celsius scales do not start at zero, so there is an offset as well as a ratio to deal with.
no, i'm not assuming anything. i'm plugging in numbers to a conversion program on the internet.
but you didn't plug numbers for the number, you plugged in on one number, and claimed a relationship based on that one
subtracing like that only works in one case
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 11:25 AM
ok.
soonerbrat
3/9/2006, 11:32 AM
my original point was that you add 273 to centigrade to get kelvin..or something
i havent' slept in days so my brain isn't thinking about conversion of C to F.
so you'd add 273 to K multiply by 1.8 then add 32 to get F
better?
Penguin
3/9/2006, 01:12 PM
That's hotter than a supernova. How close were they to igniting the Earth's atmosphere?
If these eggheads burn off our atmosphere, meteorologists will no longer have a job.
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