Syriana

[SeattleOUstudent]

Good flick. You should see it.

[Frozen Sooner]

I heard that it was all liberal propaganda. Read it in the paper today.

[Hatfield]

I heard that it was all liberal propaganda. Read it in the paper today.

must be true then

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I heard that it was all liberal propaganda. Read it in the paper today.Wonder what newspaper would actually say something like that...

[Frozen Sooner]

The Anchorage Daily News.

[SicEmBaylor]

It's just a bunch of George Looney crap.

"Big Oil" = Bad

I'll tell you though Syriana isn't nearly as bad as Good Night and Good Luck about that homosexual piece of s**** Edward R. Murrow and the left's attempt to smear an American hero.

Joe McCarthy has been a hero of mine since I was in 6th grade. I wanted to join the John Birch Society by age 12.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It's just a bunch of George Looney crap.

"Big Oil" = Bad

I'll tell you though Syriana isn't nearly as bad as Good Night and Good Luck about that homosexual piece of s**** Edward R. Murrow and the left's attempt to smear an American hero.

Joe McCarthy has been a hero of mine since I was in 6th grade. I wanted to join the John Birch Society by age 12.They got McCarthy BUT GOOD, too. In fact, just about any casual observer to politics will say McCarthy has a bad name.

[SicEmBaylor]

They got McCarthy BUT GOOD, too. In fact, just about any casual observer to politics will say McCarthy has a bad name.

And I'm not a casual observer of politics. It's not only my major but my passion and my life. And I'm telling you Joe McCarthy was as an American hero.

He does have a bad name but only because of the systematic slaughtering of his name since he became the first boogeyman of the left.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

And I'm not a casual observer of politics. It's not only my major but my passion and my life. And I'm telling you Joe McCarthy was as an American hero.

He does have a bad name but only because of the systematic slaughtering of his name since he became the first boogeyman of the left.Yes, that's what I said.:)

[usmc-sooner]

Did Clooney even graduate from H.S.?

most of the actors haven't, it's almost like a bunch of kids with money got turned loose.

[Palermo10]

Did Clooney even graduate from H.S.?



He dropped out of college, not HS

[SoonerAtKU]

...that homosexual piece of s**** Edward R. Murrow...

I thought you were beyond this dude...color me disappointed.

[OklahomaTuba]

I heard that it was all liberal propaganda. Read it in the paper today.

Sounds like you have a very accurate paper up there.

The paper in Tulsa called Michael Moore's 9-11 movie "an unbiased masterpiece".

[OklahomaTuba]

I thought you were beyond this dude...color me disappointed.

Disappointed he bases his opinion on facts? :confused:

[jeremy885]

must be true then, it was on propagandamatrix.com

;)

[SoonerAtKU]

Disappointed he bases his opinion on facts? :confused:

Just the fact that he had to include "homosexual" in his denigration of Murrow. You'd think "piece of ****" would be bad enough, but I guess that just didn't get his level of disgust across.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Syriana is #2 of 5 or 6 movies that are designed to undermine the war effort, according to an article I read, about a year ago, I think.(Wish I had kept the article, but I didn't) It listed the movies, and "Jarhead" was the first one, "Syriana" the second, and I believe 2-4 more will come out before either the mid-term elections this year, or surely before the '08 Presidential elections. Hooray for Hollywood!

[colleyvillesooner]

most of the actors haven't, it's almost like a bunch of kids with money got turned loose.

That's a pretty broad generalization. Got a link?

[picasso]

I recall an interview with Tim Blake Nelson in the Tulsa World recently where he tried to validate this film as being something like a study in corrupt governments and oil blah blah blah.
How about a study on why the entire world is dependent on oil and how about a study on why its better for ours guys to have it than it is for theirs guyssssss?

I'd rather carve figurines out of hickory than watch that flick.:)

[Sooner04]

It's just a bunch of George Looney crap.

"Big Oil" = Bad

I'll tell you though Syriana isn't nearly as bad as Good Night and Good Luck about that homosexual piece of s**** Edward R. Murrow and the left's attempt to smear an American hero.

Joe McCarthy has been a hero of mine since I was in 6th grade. I wanted to join the John Birch Society by age 12.
Dumbest post I've read in a while.

Makes Nick look like a Rhodes scholar.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The Anchorage Daily News.I'm quite surprised that ANY major newspaper would editorialize with a comment like that. It's so unlike our mainstream media.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I recall an interview with Tim Blake Nelson in the Tulsa World recently where he tried to validate this film as being something like a study in corrupt governments and oil blah blah blah.
How about a study on why the entire world is dependent on oil and how about a study on why its better for ours guys to have it than it is for theirs guyssssss?

I'd rather carve figurines out of hickory than watch that flick.:)They think they're so smart about economics, but actually don't seem to know diddley, for the most part. Their claim of sophistication is met with the reality of their ignorance.

[KaiserSooner]

that homosexual piece of s**** Edward R. Murrow

This message brought to you by Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.

:D

[Frozen Sooner]

I'm quite surprised that ANY major newspaper would editorialize with a comment like that. It's so unlike our mainstream media.

Well, it was on the editorial page.

[KaiserSooner]

He does have a bad name but only because of the systematic slaughtering of his name since he became the first boogeyman of the left.

You're killing me SicEm! Seriously, if any man's named deserved to be slaughtered, it was Joe McCarthy's. My parents have a documentary about McCarthy's hearings and it includes a bunch of stuff on Murrow's role in it. Watch it, and through McCarthy's own words and actions, you'll see why that guy deserved to be slaughtered.

[Ike]

I'm kinda curious how many people decrying this movie have actually seen it.

I have, and to be honest, if you watch it and come away with the notion that the film is claiming big oil to be bad, or that it is trying to undermine the war effort, then I really think you must have accidentally stepped into the wrong theater, or just didn't pay much attention. Really, the movie presented very little of the events in it as being right or wrong, just that they happened, and that the right or wrong of any of those events depended strongly on which characters point of view you examined the event with.

[Sooner04]

You're killing me SicEm! Seriously, if any man's named deserved to be slaughtered, it was Joe McCarthy's. My parents have a documentary about McCarthy's hearings and it includes a bunch of stuff on Murrow's role in it. Watch it, and through McCarthy's own words and actions, you'll see why that guy deserved to be slaughtered.
But he slept with women....

[SoonerAtKU]

smartness

I saw this movie and really saw it more as an informational piece than anything. There was a lot shown that I didn't really ever imagine going on, and while I knew that it was big business, I didn't understand HOW big. The collusion and the insistence on "the appearance of due diligence" as opposed to actual due diligence was my biggest shock coming out of the movie.

I thought the characters were well-developed and sympathetic, even when doing some very morally questionable things. I think that was more the message of the movie, that real, honest people become involved in things above and beyond what they consider to be their limits as soon as money, power, and hopelessness (in the case of the two Pakistani boys) become too large a factor in their lives.

The fact that the movie humanizes everyone, from the CIA operatives, the Oil Barons, the Sheiks, to the Future Terrorists should be the lasting legacy of this movie. It's far too great a simplification to say Oil = Evil.

[SicEmBaylor]

You're killing me SicEm! Seriously, if any man's named deserved to be slaughtered, it was Joe McCarthy's. My parents have a documentary about McCarthy's hearings and it includes a bunch of stuff on Murrow's role in it. Watch it, and through McCarthy's own words and actions, you'll see why that guy deserved to be slaughtered.

Kaiser, I don't watch documentaries I read the Senate transcripts. I'm not going to waste my time with 3rd part interpretations.

Anyone who is disappointed in me over my statement seriously doesn't understand me. I detest communism with every cell and fiber of my body.

Now, I've been in class all day so I haven't had time to offer my defense of McCarthy but here it goes.

The first problem with the modern view of McCarthy is that its based largely on information with varying degrees of inaccuracy or flat out falsification which is due in large part to the effort to smear his name over the years. Let's start with the layman's belief that McCarthy was Chair of HUAC and therefore responsible for its activities. Not only have I heard this absurd crap propogated by high school teachers and textbooks, but I'm continually subjected to this nonsense by pop-culture.

Sen. Joseph McCarthy, obviously, was a member of the United States Senate and was therefore unable to sit as a member or chairman of HUAC which, even more obviously, is a House Committee.

It was HUAC, not Sen. McCarthy's Senate Committee which brought the bohemian (writers, painters, directors, actors, etc.) rabble to D.C. on claims of communism. This was NOT McCarthy's business; he had bigger fish to fry.

At the end of WWII (actually prior and during although very few paid any attention to it) there was a concerted effort by Moscow to infiltrate the American government and society as a whole for the purpose of laying the foundation for a proletarian revolution. In fact, it was the great Marxist question on why socialism in various forms was able to take root everywhere in the world but America. The solution to that problem was a multi-pronged campaign to soften the American people on socialism and set the stage for eventual revolution.

In this effort the Soviet Union had a considerable degree of success at infiltrating our trade unions, government, and organizations devoted to various leftist causes. Among these campaigns their effort to infiltrate our government itself was decidedly the most dangerous to our national security and our way of life.

The man who truly raised the alarm on this infiltration of the government by those sympathetic or outrightly supporting the Soviet Union was Sen. Joe McCarthy. McCarthy's sub-committee was devoted EXCLUSIVELY to investigating high ranking members of the government, especially the State Department, who had connections or sympathiest to communism and the Soviet Union.

Now, President Truman was a good honest man in every sense of the word but he was very very naive about the influence of the Soviet Union and communism in his own government and the activities by some of those members to pass along classified intelligence to Moscow. Because he didn't like McCarthy personally he was totally unable to admit to himself that there was any threat at all.

The simple fact is that nearly all of those who were accused by McCarthy as being sympathetic to communism were (by evidence of their writings and own personal statements after leaving their government jobs). More to the point, everyone seems to ignore the Venona Transcripts which confirm many of those accused by McCarthy were actively aiding the Soviet Union and in most cases committing treason.

Another disgusting untrue belief among pop culture is that McCarthy was somehow stripping people of all of their constitutional rights and throwing people into jail left and right for wearing pink underwear. This is just more absurd and untrue crap. The ultimate penalty for being targeted as a communist by McCarthy was being forced to leave government service. HOW can anyone here honestly tell me that at the height of the Cold War when the Soviet Union was infiltrating our government and society that it wasn't too much to ask someone with known links to communism to leave their government job? It's common sense. Would anyone here want someone in a highly sensitive government position to have known sympathies and even ties with Islamic Jihadists and Al-Queadea? Of course not.

McCarthy had his personal problems. He was an alcoholic, abrasive, tempermental, etc. But it simply is not fair to history or his name to accuse him of activities he did not engage in and for being wrong when he was always in the right. And he'll always be in the right in my heart. God Bless him.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm also going to add that while I have nothing but contempt for bohemians of all stripes; I couldn't care less if they're communist, maoist, leninist, stalinist, Trotskyite, etc. That's their business. I don't care and neither did McCarthy. (Well he cared he just didn't focus on them)...

My concern is with the communist in pin stripes at Foggy Bottom at a time when our very survival is threatend by the Soviet Union. That was McCarthy's concern as well.

[DeadSolidPerfect]

As long as you keep in mind Hollywoods #1 job is to produce fantasy, there is no reason not to enjoy Syriana.

[royalfan5]

I'm also going to add that while I have nothing but contempt for bohemians of all stripes; I couldn't care less if they're communist, maoist, leninist, stalinist, Trotskyite, etc. That's their business. I don't care and neither did McCarthy. (Well he cared he just didn't focus on them)...

My concern is with the communist in pin stripes at Foggy Bottom at a time when our very survival is threatend by the Soviet Union. That was McCarthy's concern as well.
Why do you have an issue with the people who gave us kolaches. Why pick on a region in the Czech-Slovak area? I know lots of Republican Bohemians.

[SeattleOUstudent]

As long as you keep in mind Hollywoods #1 job is to produce fantasy, there is no reason not to enjoy Syriana.


exactly!

[SicEmBaylor]

Why do you have an issue with the people who gave us kolaches. Why pick on a region in the Czech-Slovak area? I know lots of Republican Bohemians.


Buahahahahaha.
Spek.

[Jerk]

Sicem- it's refreshing to read your posts because so many people, especially the younger ones, seem to think that communism is somehow cool. For instance, you see people wearing "Chi" shirts and listening to Rage Against The Machine. What I don't understand is this: if anyone claims to be a Nazi, they will get their arse beaten by a mob, and rightfully so. But if someone claims to be a communist, most people act as if it's nothing unusual. Do people not know that communist governments killed over 100 million people last century? Do they not know that the individual has no freedom or rights in their "system"? How in the heck did people forget this stuff? How in the hell is turning people into slaves of the state "cool"?

It is well documented that most of the lcounter-culture movements of the 1960's were started by the KGB- and we're supposed to admire that, or we're square.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Sicem- it's refreshing to read your posts because so many people, especially the younger ones, seem to think that communism is somehow cool. For instance, you see people wearing "Chi" shirts and listening to Rage Against The Machine. What I don't understand is this: if anyone claims to be a Nazi, they will get their arse beaten by a mob, and rightfully so. But if someone claims to be a communist, most people act as if it's nothing unusual. Do people not know that communist governments killed over 100 million people last century? Do they not know that the individual has no freedom or rights in their "system"? How in the heck did people forget this stuff? How in the hell is turning people into slaves of the state "cool"?

It is well documented that most of the lcounter-culture movements of the 1960's were started by the KGB- and we're supposed to admire that, or we're square.How and why does a Sooners fans' site attract so many socialists, "America is the problem" crowd, and whorns?:texan: :eddie:

[mdklatt]

Sicem- it's refreshing to read your posts because so many people, especially the younger ones, seem to think that communism is somehow cool. For instance, you see people wearing "Chi" shirts and listening to Rage Against The Machine.

Most of them only do this because it's "cool"; do you think kids today have any idea who Che was?


I only listen to RATM for the music. :O

[SoonerProphet]

Alger Hiss, the sellout at Yalta, and 50 years of elevating a second tier European power with a corrupt ideology to global power. They should have all ended up like Ethel and Julius.

[SicEmBaylor]

No, kids today have no idea who the hell Che is. Other than him being a chic and hip t-shirt image. I find it all disgusting. This was the basis of my attempt to get a Pincochet shirt going. There's a man who knew how to deal with communists.

(And I'm sure that comment will bring even more neg my way) :D

On a side note...I'm not sure why I'm saying "kids these days" since I'm only 23 but I don't like teenagers now and I didn't when I was one.

[mdklatt]

On a side note...I'm not sure why I'm saying "kids these days" since I'm only 23 but I don't like teenagers now and I didn't when I was one.

I was the same way. It only gets worse.

[picasso]

As long as you keep in mind Hollywoods #1 job is to produce fantasy, there is no reason not to enjoy Syriana.
ohhh not always. I know the number one goal is to maken ze money but there so happens to be an agenda from time to time.
and Clooney doesn't hid his true feelings.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm sure Syriana is entertaining because I do like those sorts of movies. But knowing what the producers and creators of the film WANT me to get from it can be irritating. But, I can watch it and still be entertained.

It's kind of like the fact that I LOVE Vietnam era protest music while totally and utterly rejecting the message behind it. In a way, is there is any better way of sticking it to the creators than to enjoy their work while rejecting the message?