Potential rematch with Tcu

[roddog]

I live in fort worth and follow tcu football and read their forums, seems they think that the sooners wont be inviting them back to play anytime soon, any truth to this?

[SoonerStormchaser]

Oh trust me...do you think we tuck our tails and hide after getting bitchslapped? Remember 2003 aTm and AggieLite?

[BOOMERBRADLEY]

We will play them again Im sure

[JohnnyMack]

Good exposure in the DFW market.

[Vaevictis]

Don't know, and don't really care. You beat us last year, and I give TCU credit for that, but let's face it -- playing TCU doesn't exactly make for a marquee matchup. I care about scheduling TCU like I care about scheduling Middle Tennessee State, or University of Montana, etc, etc.

*shrug*

[Ardmore_Sooner]

If we do play TCU again, don't expect to see us in Fort Worth, you'll be coming back to Norman.

[BASSooner]

I live around fort worth. They don't talk much about playing OU anytime soon

[CobraKai]

I live in fort worth and follow tcu football and read their forums, seems they think that the sooners wont be inviting them back to play anytime soon, any truth to this?

I live in dallas and follow smu football and read their forums, seems they think that the frogs wont be inviting them back to play anytime soon, any truth to this?

[Flagstaffsooner]

Let's NOT play them in Norman.

http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/series/details.cfm?OppID=68



TCU Football Series

http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifGames: 10
Record: 6-4 (60%)
Affiliation: Mountain West
(http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/series/index.cfm?Affiliation=MtnWest)All | Home (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/series/details.cfm?OppID=68&Location=H) | Away (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/series/details.cfm?OppID=68&Location=A) | Neutral (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/series/details.cfm?OppID=68&Location=N)
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http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifSeason
Date
Site
Score
Att
Game OU/Opp
Season OU/Opp
Opp Coach
2005 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=2005)
9/3
Norman
L (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/games/boxscore.cfm?GameID=1088)
10
-
17
84,332
7
/
NR
0-0
/
0-0
22
/
14
8-4
/
11-1
Patterson (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=305)
1998 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1998)
9/12
Fort Worth
W (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/games/boxscore.cfm?GameID=999)
10
-
9
38,256
NR
/
NR
1-0
/
1-0
NR
/
NR
5-6
/
7-5
Franchione (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=206)
1996 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1996)
9/7
Norman
L (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/games/boxscore.cfm?GameID=975)
7
-
20
65,569
NR
/
NR
0-0
/
0-0
NR
/
NR
3-8
/
4-7
Sullivan (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=205)
1993 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1993)
9/4
Fort Worth
W (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/games/boxscore.cfm?GameID=940)
35
-
3
40,418
21
/
NR
0-0
/
0-0
17
/
NR
9-3
/
4-7
Sullivan (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=205)
1954 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1954)
9/25
Norman
W
21
-
16
50,878
1
/
20
1-0
/
1-0
3
/
NR
10-0
/
4-6
Martin (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=204)
1948 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1948)
10/23
Fort Worth
W
21
-
18

18
/
NR
3-1
/
4-1
5
/
NR
10-1
/
4-5-1
Meyer (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=203)
1947 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1947)
10/25
Norman
L
7
-
20
27,957
NR
/
NR
2-1-1
/
2-2-1
16
/
NR
7-2-1
/
4-5-2
Meyer (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=203)
1946 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1946)
11/2
Fort Worth
W
14
-
12

14
/
NR
3-2
/
1-4-1
14
/
NR
8-3
/
2-7-1
Meyer (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=203)
1945 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1945)
11/3
Norman
L
7
-
13

14
/
NR
4-2
/
3-2
NR
/
NR
5-5
/
5-5
Meyer (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=203)
1944 (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1944)
10/28
Oklahoma City
W
34
-
19

NR
/
NR
2-2
/
3-0-1
NR
/
NR
6-3-1
/
7-3-1
Meyer (http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/coaches/opp/details.cfm?OppCoachID=203)
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifTotals
166
-
147
307,410
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifAverages
17
-
15
51,235
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifHighs
35
-
20
84,332
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifLows
7
-
3
27,957
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifLargest Margin
32
-
13
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifMost Points Combined
53
http://www.soonerstats.com/images/spacer.gifLeast Points Combined
19

[Octavian]

I wouldn't have minded playing them in our bowl game...

Would've been a double-digit revenge win.

[jdsooner]

Let's NOT play them in Norman.

I agree. I think we should play them in my home town of Krebs. :cool:

[roddog]

thanks for sharin, im a tt grad living in fw and i follow tcu football pretty close, they are a decent team but many of the fans on their board consider them the notre dame of the south bc of all the success they have had in the mid major conferences, where do you guys think they would finish in the big 12?

[CobraKai]

I would think they would finish around the same place Kansas normally does. Somewhere near the bottom. Put it this way...Oklahoma State is a doormat, and they are no Oklahoma State.

[Vaevictis]

thanks for sharin, im a tt grad living in fw and i follow tcu football pretty close, they are a decent team but many of the fans on their board consider them the notre dame of the south bc of all the success they have had in the mid major conferences, where do you guys think they would finish in the big 12?

Uh. Notre Dame of the South? Talk about delusions of grandeur. I hate Notre Dame as much as the next OU fan, but I've got to give credit where credit is due. Notre Dame has a truly storied program; one of the top 5-10 in the history of college football. Some people would (legitimately) make arguments to rank them as high as number one. Just about everyone in the USA has heard of Notre Dame.

TCU is not even close to that. They had *a* national championship. In 1938. I didn't even know TCU HAD a non-intermural football team -- and I lived in Arlington for several years as a kid -- until my father took me to a Sooners game there in the 90's (I think 1998, which, as I recall, we won in spite of our horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE teams during that time period)

In the Big 12 today, they'd probably consistently achieve no better than #4 in the division (South) -- Texas, Oklahoma and TTech would *usually* come out ahead of them. Long term, I'd expect TAMU to do better than them -- so long term, probably only better than Baylor with any regularity and occasionally OkState. So somewhere between #4-#7, with a heavy long term bias to #5-#7.

(And this doesn't even include the rather suprising possibility that Baylor will start fielding competitive teams on a regular basis!)

[roddog]

just wondering, there are allot of smoking mirrors with their normal 1-2 loss seasons and top 25 finishes, they just dont understand when winning ur conf. and losing 1 game gets you a trip to houston that you arent a legitimate top 20 program in outsiders eyes

[Vaevictis]

The real issue is the perception that if you take one of the worse teams in the major conferences, and put it in the one of the mid-majors, then that bottom-rung major conference team will suddenly become a top-tier mid-major.

Ok-State and TAMU and Baylor are bottom tier Big 12 right now, but they could easily manage only 3-4 (maybe only 1-2!) losses a season in a mid-major.

[BASSooner]

I say we play them again. 56-7 OU, 63-0 with Bobby's thirst of revenge.

[Desert Sapper]

The real issue is the perception that if you take one of the worse teams in the major conferences, and put it in the one of the mid-majors, then that bottom-rung major conference team will suddenly become a top-tier mid-major.

Ok-State and TAMU and Baylor are bottom tier Big 12 right now, but they could easily manage only 3-4 (maybe only 1-2!) losses a season in a mid-major.

I don't know, that logic hasn't really worked for SMU, Rice, or Houston. TCU is the only former Southwest conference team (once a major conference) to dominate in the mid-majors. The horny toads may not be ND of the South or whatever, but they are pretty good. I wouldn't mind dropping Baylor for them. They would at least be above Okie Lite.

[Texas Horned Lizard]

FWIW, Roddog is a Tech troll that really hates TCU and is on our board all the time. He made all that up! No one on our board has castigated OU or made those "OU's afraid of us" type post (well maybe Goo) or said we're the Notre Dame of the South.

It's so silly to see Roddog running here and there trying to incite fans from other schools to join him in a rousing chant of "TCU Sucks"......come on, everyone together now...TCU sucks!...

[NickZeppelin]

I think we have a chance at seeing em in a bowl game. Maybe the Houston Bowl we'll have about that record.

[Sooner04]

Dennis Franchione lost to John Blake.

HAHAHA!

[FroggyStyle22]

thanks for sharin, im a tt grad living in fw and i follow tcu football pretty close, they are a decent team but many of the fans on their board consider them the notre dame of the south bc of all the success they have had in the mid major conferences, where do you guys think they would finish in the big 12?

There are no TCU fans that I know of that consider ourselves the "anything of the south". We are a private school with solid academics and a good football program that has potential to be very good.

Losing one game and winning our conference yet only recieving a bid to the Houston Bowl is more indicative of a system that is more about ensuring bowl payouts go to a certain conference than having bowl games with the best possible match ups.

[roddog]

FWIW, Roddog is a Tech troll that really hates TCU and is on our board all the time. He made all that up! No one on our board has castigated OU or made those "OU's afraid of us" type post (well maybe Goo) or said we're the Notre Dame of the South.

It's so silly to see Roddog running here and there trying to incite fans from other schools to join him in a rousing chant of "TCU Sucks"......come on, everyone together now...TCU sucks!...

you are a foolish person who should read your own board more, i made nothing up, and im not inciting anyone, yet asking opinion on what they thought, especially, despite the 70-35 pounding you took from tt, you still have all the tcu is still better than tech discussions amongst one another on the killerfrogs.

[roddog]

http://www.killerfrogs.com/forums2/index.php?showtopic=50060

[JohnnyMack]

I wanna endure TCU and Sand Aggie smack about as much as I wanna get run over by :eddie:.

Go away.

[roddog]

I wanna endure TCU and Sand Aggie smack about as much as I wanna get run over by :eddie:.

Go away.

still ****ed about the loses?

[FroggyStyle22]

roddog,
Didn't the mods at killerfrogs change your name to The Football Tampon?

Make friends wherever you go dontcha?

[Duke o Brewery]

I don't know about y'all, but this sounds tasty to me.

Crockpot Beef Boogie Woogie
10 3/4 ounces cream of mushroom soup
1/2 cup red wine
1 packet beefy onion soup mix (Lipton)
1/2 teaspoon dried thyme
2 pounds stew beef
8 ounces fresh mushrooms, sliced
8 ounces baby carrots

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mix sauce ingredients in cooker. Add meat, carrots, and mushrooms, and stir.

Cook on high 4 hours and low 4 hours, or just low for about 8 to 10 hours.

Serves 4

[BASSooner]

still ****ed about the loses?
1. series doesn't really mean anything to sooner fans.
2. What happend this year, happend in the past. Crap happens to all of us, we get over it.
3. Not really ****ed about the loses cept for tech, because we should've won that one but, otherwise, I'm not really dissapointed. I mean we did have a RECOVERY year.
4. I'm just thankfull that OU has such a program that tech will never have.

[Desert Sapper]

I think we have a chance at seeing em in a bowl game. Maybe the Houston Bowl we'll have about that record.

Is it your mission to suck the life out of everyone else?

[NickZeppelin]

If we play like we did last year and with a tougher schedule we will lose around 4 or 5 games.

[David Earl]

I think we have a chance at seeing em in a bowl game. Maybe the Houston Bowl we'll have about that record.

Dude, there's no way we're going bowling next year. We'll be lucky to win two games, max. That's being VERY optimistic.

[Desert Sapper]

Dude, there's no way we're going bowling next year. We'll be lucky to win two games, max. That's being VERY optimistic.

Maybe you guys are right. I mean, we are going to lose a TON of talent to the draft, and the schedule for '06 is WAY tougher than last year's schedule. I'll be surprised if we win a game.

[David Earl]

Roddog I'm giving you a day off so you'll know we don't take kindly to trolls around these parts. When you come back tomorrow, play nice.

[soonerboy_odanorth]

'Bout time you folks got on board with the truth I been speakin' lo these many years.

This '06 season has ALL the hallmarks of a return to the kind of football we have become accustomed to.... a decent defense that keeps us in games for a quarter or two that finally melts because of an inability to retain the football or score any points... not to mention disasterous special teams play... I know we're gonna need to break out the twister mats again this year. That might get us to one or two wins. Three if we're lucky. Then again that's about par for the course... and as long as those wins are over at least one team from Texas and the LoSuRs, then it's all good.

Though I wonder how Castiglione will hide the embarrassment of all those empty suites. Maybe convert them to "accomodate more handicapped?"...That could do the trick...

[David Earl]

Bravo!

[Desert Sapper]

This '06 season has ALL the hallmarks of a return to the kind of football we have become accustomed to.... a decent defense that keeps us in games for a quarter or two that finally melts because of an inability to retain the football or score any points... not to mention disasterous special teams play...

Are we back in the '90s again? Let's do the QB shuffle again. I say we play Bomar and Halzle in a two platoon, then burn Bradford's redshirt just for s***s and grins. I don't want to get too comfortable with any one QB, so lets make sure they get equal snaps in every game. After all, why should we even make an attempt to win if we already know we don't stand a chance. Stoops will be lucky to beat Baylor and Pokie State, nevermind a winning season. I say we'll be lucky if we face TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl.

[David Earl]

Baylor will DRILL us this season.

DRILL I SAY!

[NickZeppelin]

I think we need a dominant defense like we had in 2001. Our offensive line is probably going to be really bad because it has zero experience. I don't see the defense being that dominant.

[Desert Sapper]

I can already hear the Pokie State rallying cry: "member thaim dang ol' Sooners whupped us las' yar? Les go on an' whup em back."

And, by golly, they probably will. We have no hope of winning a single game next year. The pokes will probably tear us limb from limb enroute to a 56-0 shellacking. We won't be able to hang onto the ball, it will be AT Booger Pickins, and our defense won't be strong enough to last more than a quarter against the pokettes. We're through. Oh, woe is me!

[David Earl]

Our offensive line is probably going to be really bad because it has zero experience.

ZERO, you people!

[Desert Sapper]

Our offensive line is probably going to be really bad because it has zero experience.

Right, because the four dudes who started in the Holiday Bowl started every game last year without interruption.


I think we need a dominant defense like we had in 2001. I don't see the defense being that dominant.

I have to agree. OUr D won't be as dominant as it was in 2001. But I'm thinking the guys coming back might be okay. Might be.

[David Earl]

But I'm thinking the guys coming back might be okay. Might be.

An optimist! BURN HIM!!!!

[Desert Sapper]

I said might. I'm totally thinking the D looks like they did against Nebraska in '96 pretty much the whole season. Pfffttt. Like they really have a shot at being even semi-decent. As if.

[David Earl]

That's more like it.

[Desert Sapper]

I think we should all get used to seeing a ton of turnovers. Bomar didn't improve all season, and he'll be playing behind an O-Line with NO experience. I expect to have a turnover margin of about -70 by the time the year is over. And keep in mind, it will be our first winless season since 1895, when Jack Harts coached us to a 34-0 loss to the Oklahoma City Town team. Stoops is getting old. If you don't think so, go to www.firebobstoops.com (http://www.firebobstoops.com) . It will tell you everything you need to know. He'll lose every game this year, lose a little more the next, then Joe C will be forced to fire him. You saw it here first.

[David Earl]

-70?????

You must be thinking of only fumbles. What about the interceptions?!?!?!?!?

[Desert Sapper]

-70?????

You must be thinking of only fumbles. What about the interceptions?!?!?!?!?

OH GEEZ, I forgot about them. I know at least 15 will be returned for TDs against us. Hell, I'm going to say that Bomar, Halzle, and Bradford together (we will play QB carousel, remember) will have a 0 to 50 TD to INT ratio. Not even AD will be able to score with that inexperienced O-Line. I'll be surprised if we even get close enough to kick a FG in any of our games.

[David Earl]

Forget Division II. Let's go to Division III RIGHT NOW, while there's still hope, albeit a fool's hope.

[Desert Sapper]

NAIA is more our style. I don't think any division with a number associated will take us. We may be THE WORST team in College Sports next year. Period.

[David Earl]

Maybe we could start a new one-team division and call it Division 50. Stooops would STILL find a way to lose! :mad:

[Desert Sapper]

Yeah, Stoops is a total loser. All of his assistant coaches suck too. Let's find a whole nother staff after these guys stink up the Big XII this year. I mean, after going 0-12, are any of us going to want the worst coaching staff in the country around?

[David Earl]

firestoopsnowbeforewealldie.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Desert Sapper]

I can't believe we actually allowed stoops to stick around after last year. I mean, we had the most talented team in the country, and he just couldn't get it done. That had to be the worst coaching job I've ever seen. EVAR!!

[David Earl]

He couldn't coach mighty might football...

[Jello Biafra]

I think we need a dominant defense like we had in 2001. Our offensive line is probably going to be really bad because it has zero experience. I don't see the defense being that dominant.



???? are f'n serious?

ZERO experience? I have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when all others are calling you moron. I'm leaning toward the majority now.

have you ever seen a football game in norman? Cooper, Quinn, Braxton, Robinson and Messner all STARTED at least one game last year with most of them playing in all games..... is that zero? I think you are kidding yourself if you don't think stoops and schmidt are not dreaming of ways to get curtis bailey and sherrone moore on the field. Sherrone has JC experience and BAILEY>>>>> bailey is 365. if he has any skill at all..........he will play at guard bet money.

go ahead. tell me you're joking.

[David Earl]

Sure, they have a significant amount of playing time... But they have ZERO experience. Count it up! ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SicEmBaylor]

Desert,
I gotta lot of respect for you man but I have to once again dispel this absurd notion that TCU would do or would have been any better than Baylor in the Big XII. Baylor's problems in the money making sports have been due almost entirely to bad coaches, a bad AD, and an apathetic administration. All of which are problems that have been corrected in the last couple of years.

In football, I simply don't believe TCU would have been better enough since the creation of the Big XII to justify their inclusion over us. Yes, I know it's easy to want to include them over Baylor when they beat you at the beginning of the season. However, I'd like to point out the fact that we damned near beat you much later in the season after you had greatly improved.

In the other sports can anyone honestly say that TCU would bring more to the table than Baylor? I seriously doubt it. And I think a lot of peple GREAT overestimate TCU's fan base. Nobody outside of Ft. Worth seems to give two ****s about TCU.

This isn't to say there may be better schools for the Big XII than Baylor, but TCU damn sure isn't one of them. My personal choice would be Arkansas.

[BASSooner]

ZERO?! HAHAHAHAHAHA no. Actually some of our linemen do have experience. Duke, Cooper, Braxton, Quinn, and Messner. Oh wait that's 5! Don't 5 linemen usually play football on the field?

[David Earl]

Our linemen have so little experience, we'd be about as well off if we had guys who'd never even HEARD of football.

[NormanPride]

My cat could play better Oline than Cooper.

[David Earl]

Desert,
I gotta lot of respect for you man but I have to once again dispel this absurd notion that TCU would do or would have been any better than Baylor in the Big XII.

First, I thought Baylor had a legitimate spot in the Big 12 when the football team was bad.

It's okay to have a poor team in conference. It's good for Baylor because it brings them money and it's good for the conference because it provides needed relief on the schedule for injury healing, etc.

Baylor brings academic help to the conference.

Baylor has been pretty competitive in other sports.

Second, Baylor is better now than people realize. They have been competitive in several games against the upper teams in the conference.

Third, I got no problem with TCU either. They might be a legit private school choice should Baylor leave the conference.

[NickZeppelin]

ZERO?! HAHAHAHAHAHA no. Actually some of our linemen do have experience. Duke, Cooper, Braxton, Quinn, and Messner. Oh wait that's 5! Don't 5 linemen usually play football on the field?

Duke, Braxton, and Quinn got abused when they played last year. The only time our offensive line looked good last year was with the 4 seniors playing. Now all of them are gone.

[Desert Sapper]

This isn't to say there may be better schools for the Big XII than Baylor, but TCU damn sure isn't one of them. My personal choice would be Arkansas.

Maybe I was out of line to say 'I wouldn't mind dropping Baylor for them.' You guys have an awfully cute bear as your mascot, and minus some catastrophes, you would be competitive in every sport. You were better than I expected you to be last year.

That being said, TCU has far more football tradition than Baylor. For a period in the 30's and 40's, they were the team in the southwest, with guys like Baugh and O'Brien chucking the pigskin all over the field. They won a national championship the year before aTm won theirs. Baylor hasn't even come close to ever winning a National Championship. You did have Mike Singletary, and that counts for a lot in my book. It's just not enough to say that you have tradition equivalent to anybody in the Big XII South. Okie Lite has more football tradition, even if they had to lie, cheat, and steal to get it.

I agree that Arkansas would be better, but there is no chance they will ditch the SEC, even if it does make sense.

I got nothing against Baylor. I just think you need to win more football games before you say you are better than anybody.

[birddog]

Duke, Braxton, and Quinn got abused when they played last year. The only time our offensive line looked good last year was with the 4 seniors playing. Now all of them are gone.
But, they do have experience, correct? Freshman lineman usually do get abused. Especially when your qb is a freshman throwing to mostly freshman receivers. Do you understand that?

[Desert Sapper]

But, they do have experience, correct? Freshman lineman usually do get abused. Especially when your qb is a freshman throwing to mostly freshman receivers. Do you understand that?

Those freshmen played their best football last year and they sucked. It's impossible for them to improve, after all, they're freshmen. Freshmen never improve going into their sophomore year, and it's ludicrous to think otherwise. Rhett Bomar is the worst bust in the history of Oklahoma, he has no potential, and will never improve.

And of course Nick understands you. He understands all. He is a traveller of both time and space...

[NickZeppelin]

Those freshmen played their best football last year and they sucked. It's impossible for them to improve, after all, they're freshmen. Freshmen never improve going into their sophomore year, and it's ludicrous to think otherwise. Rhett Bomar is the worst bust in the history of Oklahoma, he has no potential, and will never improve.

And of course Nick understands you. He understands all. He is a traveller of both time and space...

It's not easy for them to improve in a year. I don't think with the losses at the coaching staff that didn't do well last year. We won't be as good on offense. And our defense won't be dominant either. By the end of the year we'll be talking about how we miss Chuck Long.

[Desert Sapper]

It's not easy for them to improve in a year. I don't think with the losses at the coaching staff that didn't do well last year. We won't be as good on offense. And our defense won't be dominant either. By the end of the year we'll be talking about how we miss Chuck Long.

I'll give it to you, Nick. You are funny.

[Jello Biafra]

Duke, Braxton, and Quinn got abused when they played last year. The only time our offensive line looked good last year was with the 4 seniors playing. Now all of them are gone.



i wouldn't say abused. beaten? maybe. abused? not a chance. they all held thier own. the best O-lineman to come out of stoops system wasn't a starter until he was a RS soph and that was at a position he wasn't even recruited for.......now he has a year of experience in the NFL, multiple starts at ou as well as an outland trophy. give em a chance to grow up a bit, F*^%tard!

there is a big difference between a freshman running back and a freshman lineman. the lineman will have to be outstanding to be a starter in most cases. there is too big of a difference between a 22 year old senior who has been lifting for 8 - 10 years and a 18 year old freshman who has been lifting for a max of 6 years. case in point, tommie harris......starter from day one. why???? because he was also the strongest one on the team AT THAT POINT. do you remember that? he was a freak and was the strongest team member a matter of months after his 18th birthday!

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i wouldn't say abused. beaten? maybe. abused? not a chance. they all held thier own. the best O-lineman to come out of stoops system wasn't a starter until he was a RS soph and that was at a position he wasn't even recruited for.......now he has a year of experience in the NFL, multiple starts at ou as well as an outland trophy. give em a chance to grow up a bit, F*^%tard!

there is a big difference between a freshman running back and a freshman lineman. the lineman will have to be outstanding to be a starter in most cases. there is too big of a difference between a 22 year old senior who has been lifting for 8 - 10 years and a 18 year old freshman who has been lifting for a max of 6 years. case in point, tommie harris......starter from day one. why???? because he was also the strongest one on the team AT THAT POINT. do you remember that? he was a freak and was the strongest team member a matter of months after his 18th birthday!



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Maybe I was out of line to say 'I wouldn't mind dropping Baylor for them.' You guys have an awfully cute bear as your mascot, and minus some catastrophes, you would be competitive in every sport. You were better than I expected you to be last year.

That being said, TCU has far more football tradition than Baylor. For a period in the 30's and 40's, they were the team in the southwest, with guys like Baugh and O'Brien chucking the pigskin all over the field. They won a national championship the year before aTm won theirs. Baylor hasn't even come close to ever winning a National Championship. You did have Mike Singletary, and that counts for a lot in my book. It's just not enough to say that you have tradition equivalent to anybody in the Big XII South. Okie Lite has more football tradition, even if they had to lie, cheat, and steal to get it.

I agree that Arkansas would be better, but there is no chance they will ditch the SEC, even if it does make sense.

I got nothing against Baylor. I just think you need to win more football games before you say you are better than anybody.

TCU was not the team to beat in the old SWC. Yeah they had a NC more than 60 years ago, but why that would matter now or even when the Big XII was formed I simply don't know.

Baylor's record against TCU stands at 49-47-7 in favor of Baylor.

TCU leads Baylor in SWC Championships with 9 to our 4. However, aside from a tie with Baylor in 1994 their last championship came in 1957. From 1957-the formation of the Big XII Baylor had 3 conference championships to TCU's 1.

In addition, at the time of the formation of the Big XII TCU's fanbase across the staet of Texas was rated at 5% compared to Baylor's 9%. The four schools with the top fanbase were included in the Big XII were UT, aTm, Tech, and Baylor. Baylor had the biggest fanbase of any of the privates.

In Men's Basketball Baylor men lead the series 86-84

In Women's Basketball Baylor contributed the very FIRST basketball National Championship to the Big XII in either men's or women's. Would anyone suggest that TCU would have built the kind of program we've started building at Baylor? And contribute more than us in the sport?

And then we have the major accomplishments in others sports that nobody seems to care about unless their team is successful in them..

Such as the tennis national championship we brought to the Big XII; a track program that consistently produces Olympic gold medalists; a consistently nationally ranked softball program, a consistently ranked baseball program including last year's trip to the College World Series; and the list goes on..

So I guess my question is what was it about TCU football that would have made them a more logical choice for inclusion in the Big XII? And what success has TCU had in the other sports to warrant their inclusion in the Big XII over Baylor?

I just don't see it.

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TCU was not the team to beat in the old SWC. Yeah they had a NC more than 60 years ago, but why that would matter now or even when the Big XII was formed I simply don't know.

Baylor's record against TCU stands at 49-47-7 in favor of Baylor.

TCU leads Baylor in SWC Championships with 9 to our 4. However, aside from a tie with Baylor in 1994 their last championship came in 1957. From 1957-the formation of the Big XII Baylor had 3 conference championships to TCU's 1.

In addition, at the time of the formation of the Big XII TCU's fanbase across the staet of Texas was rated at 5% compared to Baylor's 9%. The four schools with the top fanbase were included in the Big XII were UT, aTm, Tech, and Baylor. Baylor had the biggest fanbase of any of the privates.

In Men's Basketball Baylor men lead the series 86-84

In Women's Basketball Baylor contributed the very FIRST basketball National Championship to the Big XII in either men's or women's. Would anyone suggest that TCU would have built the kind of program we've started building at Baylor? And contribute more than us in the sport?

And then we have the major accomplishments in others sports that nobody seems to care about unless their team is successful in them..

Such as the tennis national championship we brought to the Big XII; a track program that consistently produces Olympic gold medalists; a consistently nationally ranked softball program, a consistently ranked baseball program including last year's trip to the College World Series; and the list goes on..

So I guess my question is what was it about TCU football that would have made them a more logical choice for inclusion in the Big XII? And what success has TCU had in the other sports to warrant their inclusion in the Big XII over Baylor?

I just don't see it.

OK, I stand corrected. Baylor is slightly better than TCU. Good job. I just waved my magic sceptor that allows the Bears to stick around the Big XII for a few more years.