Marines are not worthy of being roll models

[Sooner in Tampa]

:mad:

Jill Edwards, a Junior in Mathematics at the University of Washington, says that a U.S. Marine is not --- that's right, NOT the example of the sort of person that the University of Washington wants to produce.
There are some biotches in college...
linky (http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html)

[jk the sooner fan]

in order for their opinion to matter, you have to care

so dont......

[OUDoc]

Ehh. Stupidity is everywhere. I new a girl who once said if Clinton was elected, she'd move to Alaska. :confused:

[mdklatt]

Ehh. Stupidity is everywhere. I new a girl who once said if Clinton was elected, she'd move to Alaska. :confused:

I thought Frozen Sooner was a dude. :confused:

[jk the sooner fan]

LAS moved to canada after Bush was re-elected........
oh wait.....

[Octavian]

I once knew a girl who (mind you we were both in jr. high at the time) said her family was probably going to drive to Hawaii b/c flying was "like, really expensive"

[OUDoc]

I once knew a girl who (mind you we were both in jr. high at the time) said her family was probably going to drive to Hawaii b/c flying was "like, really expensive"
Well, it is.

[mdklatt]

I once knew a girl who (mind you we were both in jr. high at the time) said her family was probably going to drive to Hawaii b/c flying was "like, really expensive"

Hawaii does have an Interstate Highway....

[NormanPride]

I ate insulation once. It wasn't cotton candy like they said.

[Octavian]

heh. :D

[Soonrboy]

I knew a college girl who thought if she peed after sex, that was the best sort of birth control.

[mdklatt]

I knew a college girl who thought if she peed after sex, that was the best sort of birth control.

IBTGIS

[OklahomaTuba]

This dumb bitch really makes the abortion debate hard to argue against.

[fadada1]

I knew a college girl who thought if she peed after sex, that was the best sort of birth control.
uh oh.

[mdklatt]

This dumb bitch really makes the abortion debate hard to argue against.

Heh.

[opksooner]

I knew a college girl who thought if she peed after sex, that was the best sort of birth control.
Hell....she should have know better. It didn't work for her mother!

[usmc-sooner]

well guess what students at the University of Washington is not the type of person the U.S. Marines want to produce.

beotches.

[KABOOKIE]

**** that bitch. Semper Fi.

[JohnnyMack]

I knew a college girl who thought if she peed after sex, that was the best sort of birth control.

You banged 1tc's mom?

[KABOOKIE]

You banged 1tc's mom?



Apparently mom didn't give jr. the full explanation on that theory!

[Desert Sapper]

Interesting...




X. Orders of the Day

A. New Business

There was no new business to consider.

B. Old Business

R-12-18 A Resolution to Calling for a Tribute for Col. Gregory “Pappy”
Boyington, USMC

Andrew Everett, sponsor of the legislation, summarized the resolution.
He said he wasn’t interested in a large statue, but rather something on a
small scale.

Jill Edwards moved to table the resolution until next meeting. Seconded.
Objection.

Jill Edwards said other legislation needed to be considered as other
resolutions have been on the docket longer.

Mikhail Smirnoff said he didn’t see the issue as controversial and that
because Senate had voted it to the top of the agenda it should be
considered immediately.

The motion failed.

Travis McCoy asked how the construction of the memorial would be
funded.

Andrew Everett said he had drawn up funding proposals for the UWAA,
several UW departments, and other private sources of funding.

Jono Hanks asked why Andrew Everett was interested in honoring this
particular alumnus.

Andrew Everett said he had read about Colonel Boyington and thought
his achievements warranted recognition.

Tyler Dockins asked why the monument shouldn’t commemorate all the
alumni who fought in the war.

Andrew Everett noted that several statues around campus already serve
such a purpose and that Colonel Boyington had many of the qualities the
University of Washington hoped to produce in its students.

Jill Edwards questioned whether it was appropriate to honor a person
who killed other people.
She said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was an
example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.

Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already
commemorate rich white men.

Karl Smith amended the first ‘whereas’ clause to strike the section “he
was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most
aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform for which he was” and
leaving the reference to the Navy Cross. Seconded. Objection.
He said the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington’s service, not
his killing of others.

Andrew Everett said a destroyed aircraft was not necessarily indicative
that a pilot had died. He said the statistic on aircraft downed explained
Colonel Boyington’s achievements and why his performance was
noteworthy.

Deidre Lockman said she was in favor of the resolution and approved of

Karl Smith’s amendment.

Sam Al-Khoury moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded.
Passed without objection.
The amendment passed.

Erin Shields asked what the process is for erecting a memorial on
campus.

Andrew Everett said it was a process he would push through personally.
He said it would go to the university administration, then to the Capital
Projects Committee for placement consideration, and back to the
administration for a final discussion on the monument.

Niki Iglesias moved to close debate. Seconded. Objection.
The motion failed.

Shawn Fisher moved to amend the second ‘that’ clause and strike the
deadline of 11 January 2008.

He said he was against the resolution, but that if it did pass, he wanted the
statue to be of a high quality and said the project shouldn’t be rushed.

Mikhail Smirnoff noted the resolution didn’t require the statue to be
finished, but merely have the process started by that time.

Melissa Aar said she was against the amendment because of the
significance of the date.

Shawn Fisher moved to close debate. Seconded. Passed without
objection.
Debate was closed. The amendment failed.

A Senator said he feared Senate was rubber stamping a project that it
didn’t know enough about. He noted that Senate didn’t have any
specification for the statue’s appearance or details on its placement.

Jon Lee said he didn’t want to see a campus inundated with memorials.
He said he feared this would open the invitation to multiple other
memorials.

Andrew Everett said he envisioned a monument similar to the Lincoln
Brigade outside of the HUB. He said he respected the history of the UW
institution and the people it has produced and that the UW owes it to
students to honors those from the past.

Deidre Lockman moved to strike the quote from President Roosevelt.
Seconded. Objection.

She said the resolution focused more heavily on the negative aspects of
war and should instead focus on more positive aspects such as the
awarding of the Medal of Honor.

Travis Grandy moved to amend the amendment to restore “whose
citation was signed by pres. Franklin D Roosevelt in March 1944”.
Seconded. Passed without objection.

Shawn Fisher said he thought the quote was unnecessary and reflected
badly on the resolution.

Alex Kerchner said the issue was clear cut and that it didn’t make any
sense to commend Colonel Boyington for his Medal of Honor, and yet
remove the reason it was awarded.

Mikhail Smirnoff said it was important to note what the Colonel actually
achieved. He said it didn’t make sense to not acknowledge why he was
awarded the Medal of Honor.

Jon Evans moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded.
Objection.
The motion passed. Debate was closed on the amendment.
The amendment failed.

Mikhail Smirnoff said he supported the resolution. He said the resolution
does not support a final product, but that it only supports the concept of
the monument. He said he understood the sentiment of not wanting to
reward those who fought in the war, but that he thought those who fought
in WWII were heros and that it was a much different war than the
controversial war in Iraq.

Evan Roberts moved to close debate. Seconded. Objection.
The motion failed.

Division was called. The motion passed.
Debate was closed on the resolution.
Division was called on the resolution. The vote was tied 45-45-10

Alex Kim noted that in the case of a tie, the Senate Chair cast the tiebreaking
vote.

Alex Kim voted nay. The resolution failed.

Zachary Tobin called for a roll call vote.

Alex Kim called the motion out of order as the results of the vote had
already been announced.


I don't like this silly Washington school. I vote that we close it, because graduates of this school are not the type of people that we, as a country, want to produce. Oh, and I hope we stomp a mudhole in them on September 9.

[SCOUT]

I ate insulation once. It wasn't cotton candy like they said.

My stomach is itchy.

[mdklatt]

Deidre Lockman
...
She said the resolution focused more heavily on the negative aspects of
war and should instead focus on more positive aspects such as the
awarding of the Medal of Honor.


For crying out loud. Maybe if we focused more on the "negative aspects" of war instead of whitewashing history we'd be a lot more thoughtful about going to war.

[JohnnyMack]

My stomach is itchy.

I pooped a hammer.

[NormanPride]

For crying out loud. Maybe if we focused more on the "negative aspects" of war instead of whitewashing history we'd be a lot more thoughtful about going to war.

Wasn't the Vietnam war the one where we put all the flowers in their guns? Right? It was the Happy war, right?

[Desert Sapper]

For crying out loud. Maybe if we focused more on the "negative aspects" of war instead of whitewashing history we'd be a lot more thoughtful about going to war.

Like awarding the Medal of Honor?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/images/20050404-5_p44676-305-515h.jpg
I'm pretty sure Paul Smith's widow and orphaned children don't think the circumstances surrounding the award were so positive. Paul's leadership was pretty awesome, but his family still lost a husband and father. Essayons.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

i saw this on texags a couple of days ago. someone pointed out that he shot down 25 zeros in a corsair. that's like hitting 25 hum vees in a turretless tank...

[47straight]

Still waiting for any avowed 49%er to chime in with a negative comment about Ms. Edwards.


I mean, c'mon, it's been 3 hours since this was posted!!! Maybe they're so moved by the values and principles they'll be rooting for the Huskies next September. I know the true Whorns are sold.

[BoomerJack]

This dumb bitch really makes the abortion debate hard to argue against.

Like you, Skippy, she's entitled to her opinion no matter how screwball it is.

[mdklatt]

Like awarding the Medal of Honor?

I'm pretty sure Paul Smith's widow and orphaned children don't think the circumstances surrounding the award were so positive. Paul's leadership was pretty awesome, but his family still lost a husband and father. Essayons.

I think you misunderstood what I meant.

What's an essayon? :confused:

[soonerscuba]

You know I could care about the student government of the University of Washington or I could fill the void with something else, most likely internet pron.

[opksooner]

mdkatt,

Essayons = let's try

[OklahomaTuba]

Like you, Skippy, she's entitled to her opinion no matter how screwball it is.

Slandering war heros takes a special kind of ******* IMO.

Thank GOD we have these freedoms. It makes sorting out the loons much easier.

(Al Gore is a great example of this)

[OUTromBoNado]

I ate insulation once. It wasn't cotton candy like they said.

heh. is your stomach itchy?

[Okla-homey]

<start rant>

Remember that 80's TV series "Baa Baa Blacksheep?" Robert Conrad played "Pappy" Boyington. It was sort of a "McHale's Navy" in F-4U Corsairs instead of PT Boats.

In reality, the "Blacksheep" had more than their fair share of scr3wballs, but they also smoked more than their fair share of Imperial Japanese aircrews. By all accounts, in addition to being a damn fine fighter pilot and squadron commander, "Pappy" was also a hard-drinking, womanizing, cussing, fist-fighting son-of-a-gun.

IOW, a Great American.

To me, that is exactly the sort of man they should be clamoring to memorialize on that or any campus. They prolly won't though because a lot of kids these days have been "educated" by the Cindy Sheehan's, Ramsey Clark's and Jimmy Carter's of the world into believing there is nothing worth fighting war over -- or worth ventilating a fellow human being with .50 caliber armor-piercing rounds over.

They have been taught by slow-leak academicians (who never worked a real day in their pathetic lives) that we can and should ALWAYS settle our international and intercultural differences with diplomacy and trying to understand WHY the other side wants to ventilate our bodies with .50 caliber armor-piercing rounds .

If America ever does go down in flames, it will be because those tragically misled and deluded kids may someday be in charge. Personally, I hope I'm buried in the family plot in Ardmore before that day comes. Either that, or I go out in a blaze of glory taking potshots with a .45 at invading bad guys from the window of my room at the Veterans Home.

Just saying.

<end rant>

[Desert Sapper]

mdkatt,

Essayons = let's try

Close. Essayons is the Motto of the Army Corps of Engineers. It is French for 'Let US Try'. The idea being that the Engineers accept any mission no matter how difficult with the attitude that they can succeed where others have failed. SFC Smith best exemplified that motto when he did everything in his power to stop an enemy onslaught at BIAP from attacking the 2-7 Cav Tactical Operations Center. His actions successfully saved the TOC and ultimately were rewarded with a posthumous CMH.

[opksooner]

Let's try = let us try. I used the colloquial.

[mdklatt]

You know I could care about the student government of the University of Washington or I could fill the void with something else, most likely internet pron.


Word. College students should be seen (in denim miniskirts) and not heard (until they get some real world experience under their belt).

[mdklatt]

Let's try = let us try. I used the colloquial.

Maybe the "US" is significant, US = United States.

[OUTromBoNado]

I pooped a cornish game hen once.

[Desert Sapper]

Let's try = let us try. I used the colloquial.

I understand, but 'let's try' puts the emphasis on the word try, insinuating that we may try, but we are not certain of our chances for success. 'Let us try', with the emphasis on the word 'us' insinuates that you may have tried and failed, but if we try, we have greater confidence in our chances of success. It is representative of the engineer spirit to put everything we can at a mission and succeed where others have failed. Clear enough now?

[Vaevictis]

I'm a big fan of, "Who dares wins." myself.

[Desert Sapper]

The SAS motto? They are pretty technically and tactically proficient at the small unit level. Another good unit with that motto is the Israeli Sayeret Matkal. They are probably the world's best CT unit (no offense to the Delta guys). Their Operation Thunderbolt work in Uganda was the stuff of legend. Of course, they were trained by the SAS, and model themselves on that unit, so kudos still probably belongs to the Special Air Service (consequently one of the oldest units to operate independently behind enemy lines).

I am a little partial to 'De Opresso Liber', but only because of the friends I have in that 'other army'. Still the best trainers that money can buy. Maybe the second or third best at direct action in the world.

[Vaevictis]

That's a good one too. Outstanding, even.

(WRT Delta v. Sayeret Matkal... it's just a matter of experience. The Israelis have had to deal with it daily for what, 30-40 years?)

[Desert Sapper]

(WRT Delta v. Sayeret Matkal... it's just a matter of experience. The Israelis have had to deal with it daily for what, 30-40 years?)

The Delta guys (funky closed compound at Bragg and all) haven't been around long enough to be busy for 30-40 years, but they have been busy for 20+ years.