Syrians Torch Embassies

[Octavian]

All of this over a damn cartoon....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings_42;_ylt=AqJaS_WErF95S_ab8RlWS_3bE fQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[proud gonzo]

i've yet to see the caricatures

[picasso]

thin skinned much?

[william_brasky]

that is so totally awesome!

The Middle East is da bomb!

[12]

It isn't like they had to go to work or anything.

[Flagstaffsooner]

i've yet to see the caricatures

http://www.uriasposten.net/pics/JP-011005-Muhammed-Westerga.jpg


Big deal. Live with it ragheads.:rolleyes:

[12]

People died for that?

[Cam]

I just don't get fanatacisim of any kind, including religion.

They want to kill somebody because they drew their "God". It could have been a serious drawing and they'd still want to kill the author. They can draw the underlings, but not their God.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Looks like Howard Smellslikebourbon with a beard.:D

[12]

I would imagine the "Poop Room" in Hell® is doing a tremendouse business.

[Mjcpr]

Dudes, get the **** over it mmmkay?

I can't believe this is the first Mohammed cartoon evar. Morans.

[Octavian]

This should be proof enough for those who think the radical element in the Muslim world is specifically targeted at Western imperialists

I mean, the Danes?? WTF, they havent done anything to anyone since Mohammed couldnt grow a beard.

[Flagstaffsooner]

This should really torch their tires.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4290/prophet1ia.jpg

Anybody got a link to a raghead posting board?

[GottaHavePride]

Pffff. shows what they know, anyway. That looks more like the Ayatollah.

[soonerscuba]

Amazing. Members of this religion have the balls to fly planes into buildings, strap dynamite to themselves, take on Israel, and fight the greatest military in the world. Yet don't have the skin to not get ****ed off by a cartoon to the point of burning embassies?

[KC//CRIMSON]

Yep, they be good n pi$$ed off.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest2.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest1.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest8.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest11.jpg

[VeeJay]

http://www.uriasposten.net/pics/JP-011005-Muhammed-Westerga.jpg

He looks like he just walked in the wrong stall at Ryan's Steakhouse.

[Tailwind]

No sense of humor what so ever. Does anyone remember laughter?

[KC//CRIMSON]

No sense of humor what so ever. Does anyone remember laughter?

Who are you? Robert Plant?;)

[william_brasky]

I'm going to blow up any- and everything Canadian I see.

http://www.paulstark.net/mapoti/jesushockey.jpg

Who's with me?
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

[Octavian]

Yep, they be good n pi$$ed off.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest2.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest1.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest8.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest11.jpg

I've changed my mind...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1038/bomba13vi.th.png (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bomba13vi.png) + http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7854/middleeast7ds.th.png (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=middleeast7ds.png) = http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7079/th8nh.th.png (http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=th8nh.png)

[SCOUT]

What will be the hook that somehow makes those drawings the fault of the US?

[Tailwind]

Who are you? Robert Plant?;)
:D

[Tailwind]

What will be the hook that somehow makes those drawings the fault of the US?
Yeah, I was wondering that myself.

[william_brasky]

Hm, a sketch of a religious group's prophet with a violent item representing headgear. In reaction, they burn down buildings. Is that irony?

[Howzit]

I'm surprised the Egyptian boat wasn't, somehow, a US conspiracy.

[TUSooner]

I wish I could give some spek to Mr Westrgaard

"They all hate us anyhow; let's drop the big one and see what happens." -- Randy Newman

[OklahomaTuba]

Amazing that they had all those Danish flags around to burn like that.

Glad to know there is so much respect for islam in the US media like CNN.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/newsmeeting-dhimmis-explain.jpg

[Octavian]

Glad to know there is so much respect for islam in the US media like CNN.

just couldnt stand it, could ya?

[OklahomaTuba]

just couldnt stand it, could ya?
Couldn't stand what?? That the media are a bunch of liberal pussies?

Just call it what it is, fear and not "respect".

[Okla-homey]

What will be the hook that somehow makes those drawings the fault of the US?

The crayons used by the cartoonist were made by Binney & Smith of Winfield, KS, USA. Ergo, JIHAAD!!!! Death to the beeg yellow and green crayon box with the beelt-in sharpener and the demons who make theem!!!

[Octavian]

Couldn't stand what?? That the media are a bunch of liberal pussies?

Just call it what it is, fear and not "respect".

I meant you couldnt stand that there hadn't been a Lib-bashing post in this thread yet. ;)

But yeah, I can agree w/ the fear/respect part.

[Okla-homey]

If the guy who did the cartoon had taken a moment to do smidge of Islamic cultural homework, he prolly wouldn't have done the cartoon. Having spent a bit of time in that loony corner of our planet I learned something rather interesting.

Not to justify their violent rage, but perhaps to help explain it, Arabs and Persians have for centuries typically observed a Koranic self-imposed ban on "graven images."

That's why otherwise decorative and valuable carpets from that part of the world don't usually incorporate images of animals or people. Mosques are never decorated with any portraiture. Copies of the Koran don't have any pictures either.

Therefore, an image of Mohammed or even a Biblical prophet, especially one that appears to mock him, would be perceived on the Arab street as extremely insulting, sacreligious, heretical and could get you killed.

just saying.

[Octavian]

If the guy who did the cartoon had taken a moment to do smidge of Islamic cultural homework, he prolly wouldn't have done the cartoon. Having spent a bit of time in that loony corner of our planet I learned something rather interesting.

Not to justify their violent rage, but perhaps to help explain it, Arabs and Persians have for centuries typically observed a Koranic self-imposed ban on "graven images."

That's why otherwise decorative and valuable carpets from that part of the world don't usually incorporate images of animals or people. Mosques are never decorated with any portraiture. Copies of the Koran don't have any pictures either.

Therefore, an image of Mohammed or even a Biblical prophet, especially one that appears to mock him, would be perceived on the Arab street as extremely insulting, sacreligious, heretical and could get you killed.

just saying.

you liberal bastage.

[Okla-homey]

you liberal bastage.

No, its actually more about knowing your enemy.;)

I'll tell you another little story. About 24 years ago, I helped some squadronmates paint a mural in our building. The mural involved the flags of all the countries who had ever had officers who had flown with us. There were quite a few since we were a training squadron.

When it came time to paint the Saudi flag, we made a stencil out of plain brown butcher paper in order to get the Arabic inscription right on the flag. The saudi flag incorporates a verse of scripture from the Koran that is translated as: "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is His Prophet"

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2138/saudiflag2ix.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Anyway, after we were done, we just crumpled-up the stencil we made containing that verse and I was getting ready to toss it when a Saudi lieutenant happened to walk up. He about shiite his flight suit.:eek: He asked for it, we gave it to him, and I guess he burned it or something.

He didn't try to kill us or anything because he knew we didn't know any better and did not intend disrespect.

Homey learned a very important lesson early on in his career. Them Arabs is verrry touchy about their religion.

[Octavian]

oh cmon homey, you've got a liberal streak hidden deep down in there ;)

[Okla-homey]

oh cmon homey, you've got a liberal streak hidden deep down in there ;)

Here's the thing. Folks who are hard over, I'm talking unwavering in their view they're dead right and the other side is dead wrong, are often pretty shallow people who are too lazy to at least try to see the other guy's side.

Sometimes its not just simple laziness, but its more because they may suspect their view is flawed, and they are actually kinda scared to find out they may need to alter their comfortable, familiar world view and they find that terribly unsettling.

That sort of thinking, or more specifically the lack of thinking, has been the source of a great deal of suffering and sorrow on this big blue ball we all share.

That said, after a some analysis, introspection and an honest attempt to see the other guy's side fails to persuade or soften your view, then feel free to smoke 'em. :D

[SoonerBorn68]

http://www.geocities.com/soonerborn91/farks/gayladen.jpg

Fixed.

[Octavian]

Here's the thing. Folks who are hard over, I'm talking unwavering in their view they're dead right and the other side is dead wrong, are often pretty shallow people who are too lazy to at least try to see the other guy's side.

Sometimes its not just simple laziness, but its more because they may suspect their view is flawed, and they are actually kinda scared to find out they may need to alter their comfortable, familiar world view and they find that terribly unsettling.

That sort of thinking, or more specifically the lack of thinking, has been the source of a great deal of suffering and sorrow on this big blue ball we all share.

That said, after a some analysis, introspection and an honest attempt to see the other guy's side fails to persuade or soften your view, then feel free to smoke 'em. :D

well said...and that is to say nothing of oversimplified tag lines that group people into neat little categories. There are few people who don't possess both liberal and conservative positions (whether they know it or not).

[Flagstaffsooner]

then feel free to smoke 'em. :DIf you got 'em.

[soonerscuba]

I live with an Arab Muslim and was talking to him about this earlier today. He hadn't seen the cartoon, so I showed it to him. Bear in mind, this guy is Americanized as you can get, drinks, throws dirty leg, etc. When he saw it, he didn't think it was funny in the slightest, so I have to assume it is reallly bad. He said it would be like a major Arab paper putting Jesus, the Devil, a priest and George Bush in a sexual situation. It is the so blasphemous that he doesn't agree with the violence, but isn't surprised.

[Okla-homey]

Lesson:

Don't tug on Superman's cape

Don't spit in the wind

Don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger

and don't mess around with Jim

or inflame Muslim religious sensitivities if you live in an area with a large Arab population. However, its quite safe to invert a crucifix in a glass of urine and call it "art" in the USA.

[soonerscuba]

However, its quite safe to invert a crucifix in a glass of urine and call it "art" in the USA.

Don't forget the NEA funding!

[Killerbees]

I live with an Arab Muslim and was talking to him about this earlier today. He hadn't seen the cartoon, so I showed it to him. Bear in mind, this guy is Americanized as you can get, drinks, throws dirty leg, etc. When he saw it, he didn't think it was funny in the slightest, so I have to assume it is reallly bad. He said it would be like a major Arab paper putting Jesus, the Devil, a priest and George Bush in a sexual situation. It is the so blasphemous that he doesn't agree with the violence, but isn't surprised.

Arab papers frequently print some pretty nasty stuff about jews and Americans. I have seen more than one cartoon with a Jew eating babies and crap like that, so if they want any sympathy they need to look at themselves first.

[Killerbees]

Hm, a sketch of a religious group's prophet with a violent item representing headgear. In reaction, they burn down buildings. Is that irony?

Yes, but it goes a little deeper than that. They actually called for "A day of anger and violence" to protest someone labeling them as violent.

[Jerk]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/joshuasb/nuketalks7wr.jpg

[jrsooner]

He said it would be like a major Arab paper putting Jesus, the Devil, a priest and George Bush in a sexual situation. It is the so blasphemous that he doesn't agree with the violence, but isn't surprised.The sad thing is...even if they did, most christian religions would not go out to burn and kill everything in sight because of it.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0602/gallery.muslim.protest/01.uk.ap.jpg

"Behead those that insult islam" and we are supposed to think these are peace loving individuals that have nothing against us. I just wish the rest of the world would finally wake up to this military religious movement. This isn't just a few crackpots, it's a whole movement.

I always joked about buying one of these tshirts, but I'm thinking more and more about going to the local surplus store and getting one...

http://www.flagoutlet.ca/images/flags/Historical/kill%20em%20all%20sm.JPG

[49r]

The sad thing is...even if they did, most christian religions would not go out to burn and kill everything in sight because of it.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0602/gallery.muslim.protest/01.uk.ap.jpg

"Behead those that insult islam" and we are supposed to think these are peace loving individuals that have nothing against us. I just wish the rest of the world would finally wake up to this military religious movement. This isn't just a few crackpots, it's a whole movement.

I always joked about buying one of these tshirts, but I'm thinking more and more about going to the local surplus store and getting one...

http://www.flagoutlet.ca/images/flags/Historical/kill%20em%20all%20sm.JPG

Americans, on the other hand, do not have to worry about suffering from similar preconceptions... :rolleyes:

[SoonerBorn68]

He said it would be like a major Arab paper putting Jesus, the Devil, a priest and George Bush in a sexual situation.

Aren't there federal grants offered for this sort of thing?

[OklahomaTuba]

Remember all the riots, looting and torching when Dogma and The Last Temptation of Christ played at your local multiplex?

Me neither.

[Octavian]

Remember all the riots, looting and torching when Dogma and The Last Temptation of Christ played at your local multiplex?

Me neither.

You mean you didnt have riots in your neighborhood? :confused: Damn, I led the charge in mine...

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5568/bc15jn.th.png (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bc15jn.png)

[jrsooner]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5568/bc15jn.th.png (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bc15jn.png)Okay....now you did it....I gotta go find something to burn...how dare you make fun of Jesus. What you going to do next...tell us that he's a gymnast too?
http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3988.jpg

[jrsooner]

Proof...Jesus wants us to fight each other....
http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3985.jpg
Look how he's teaching those adorable little kids how to fight. :)

[picasso]

emotion > brains

[VeeJay]

soonerscuba - your Arab roomie drinks and throws dirty leg and still respects the Islam stuff?

I must admit my knowledge of what they can and can't do is limited, and as a backsliding Christian, I drink and have thrown mucho dirty leg.

Can a Muslim drink and throw dirty leg and still get the virgins as the prize in paradise?

I'm not even sure I'd know how to go about asking these questions.

[william_brasky]

Can a Muslim drink and throw dirty leg and still get the virgins as the prize in paradise?

If the answer to this is yes, where do I sign up?

[SoonerBorn68]

Can a Muslim drink and throw dirty leg and still get the virgins as the prize in paradise?



Sure, all he has to do is kill some of us in the name of Islam and die doing it.

They're pretty easy that way.:rolleyes:

[soonerscuba]

soonerscuba - your Arab roomie drinks and throws dirty leg and still respects the Islam stuff?

I must admit my knowledge of what they can and can't do is limited, and as a backsliding Christian, I drink and have thrown mucho dirty leg.

Can a Muslim drink and throw dirty leg and still get the virgins as the prize in paradise?

I'm not even sure I'd know how to go about asking these questions.

Hell if I know, I'll ask him. But I can say that he was raised a Muslim, rarely to never goes to Mosque, despite the presence of one being walking distance away from us, and as far as I know doesn't think America to be the great Satan. I do know he believes in Israel's right to exist and has no desire to return to the Mid-East, take that as you will.

[william_brasky]

...has no desire to return to the Mid-East, take that as you will.

Cleveland?

[OklahomaTuba]

Heh.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20060204FilibusterCartoons.gif

[Shamrock]

No, its actually more about knowing your enemy.;)

I'll tell you another little story. About 24 years ago, I helped some squadronmates paint a mural in our building. The mural involved the flags of all the countries who had ever had officers who had flown with us. There were quite a few since we were a training squadron.

When it came time to paint the Saudi flag, we made a stencil out of plain brown butcher paper in order to get the Arabic inscription right on the flag. The saudi flag incorporates a verse of scripture from the Koran that is translated as: "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is His Prophet"

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2138/saudiflag2ix.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Anyway, after we were done, we just crumpled-up the stencil we made containing that verse and I was getting ready to toss it when a Saudi lieutenant happened to walk up. He about shiite his flight suit.:eek: He asked for it, we gave it to him, and I guess he burned it or something.

He didn't try to kill us or anything because he knew we didn't know any better and did not intend disrespect.

Homey learned a very important lesson early on in his career. Them Arabs is verrry touchy about their religion.


I did the M-16 tour of Saudi, Kuwait and Iraq in '91. I've seen all their crap firsthand too.

I'm tired of having to apologize to the rest of the world about their stupid culture. When are they going to suck up and change to conform to our culture and beliefs? Why is it always the West that must be respectful of them?

The Saudi's wanted us out of Dodge as fast as possible, so they could resume their public stonings, female circumcision, and other barbaric practices without Western scruntiny and observation. Watching their "Religious Police" beat some teenage males for not getting to prayers on time was all I needed to know about that piece of crap culture. Or seeing some Saudi Mini-Mart owner not sell my driver (a young female E-3) a soda because of some stupid reason ticked me off. He finally made the transaction when the butt of my M-16 broke his fricking counter shelf.

Bomb 'em all and steal their oil.

[handcrafted]

We Christians went through our "jihad phase" in the Middle Ages and got past it. The Muslims are still living as if the last 1000 years or so of world history didn't happen. Stuff like this just shows the corruption and complete detachment from reality that is Islam.

There's far too much sucking up to the Arab world going on here in the US, especially when our president keeps on legitimizing Islam in public speeches, and here our government is using this as a political opportunity to score points by condemning the cartoons.

I, for one, applaud the stance that the European nations are taking. Yes, they're taking heat (literally) for it, but they're not backing down, and in the process the Muslim religion is being shown for what it is. Hypocritical and empty of anything except hate and revenge.

What do Christians do when something comes out in the media that's patently offensive? The "Book of Daniel" controversy is a good example. We preach the truth as set against the falsehood being published. We vote with our viewing habits, our wallets, and our election ballots. We educate, or try to. We *don't* go blow up the TV station.

Anyone who says all religions are the same is living in dreamland.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Infidel!

The jihad has begun. I bet SF will get hacked now we postied it...

Then again, I love their We don't want freedom signs and the "Europe, remember 9-11" signs. True colors have never been more clear...

We need to wipe radical Islam off the face of the earth...IMO

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Yep, they be good n pi$$ed off.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest2.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest1.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest8.jpg

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest11.jpg

A spot in front of a window and a sniper rifle would be really good for these folks...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I live with an Arab Muslim and was talking to him about this earlier today. He hadn't seen the cartoon, so I showed it to him. Bear in mind, this guy is Americanized as you can get, drinks, throws dirty leg, etc. When he saw it, he didn't think it was funny in the slightest, so I have to assume it is reallly bad. He said it would be like a major Arab paper putting Jesus, the Devil, a priest and George Bush in a sexual situation. It is the so blasphemous that he doesn't agree with the violence, but isn't surprised.

Only Americans would have been non-plussed and no big deal would have come from it. The ministers would press outrage as they should, a few articles would be written, but I seriously doubt if more than about 12 people would protest in the street.

[SoonerBorn68]

Has anyone seen any "outrage" here in the US? Where are all the Muslim protesters? I drove by campus this morning and the Islamic Society is nowhere to be found en masse...Have they come to the realization American citizens have the Allah given right to own guns & don't want to get to heaven without the virgins.

[Shamrock]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn05.html

[Cam]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn05.html
Pretty funny paragraph.


Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have.