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oumartin
1/27/2006, 01:30 PM
If i wanted to pour a 10x10 area of concrete for my son to put his basketball goal could it be done with quckcrete or should i order it?
I have bids from about $500-$1000 to replace a 10x10 section. I would think doing it yourself would save some substantial coin.
oumartin
1/27/2006, 01:42 PM
darn, thats kinda expensive. and thats with you doing the dirt work right?
I can do the dirt work and let me give you a little hint that you may or may not know. you can go buy mesh wire fencing and use instead of re-bar..
Works great too.
I have bids from about $500-$1000 to replace a 10x10 section. I would think doing it yourself would save some substantial coin.
I'd take the $500 one.
YWIA
critical_phil
1/27/2006, 01:43 PM
that's a lot of quikrete...
King Crimson
1/27/2006, 01:44 PM
10x10, gotta be bigger than that if he wants to stroke the 3 ball.
:D
I thought about doing the basketball goal too. Are you going to secure it in the concrete or buy a sand/water weighted one?
Pieces Hit
1/27/2006, 01:47 PM
Get him a hackey sack.
oumartin
1/27/2006, 01:47 PM
we already have a weighted goal. if I were you I'd do one in concrete. they seem to be a bit more sturdy.
yeah, i know I should make it bigger but if he wants to stroke the three he can stand in the grass. concrete is mainly to help him dribble and such. heck. 10ft barely gives him free shot range.
10x10, gotta be bigger than that if he wants to stroke the 3 ball.
Don't make fun. Lots of people have a third testicle.
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 02:34 PM
If we assume you're doing a 10'x10' square, 6" thick (which is more than enough), you're talking about just under 2 yards of concrete. If it's 3000 psi (the batch plant can tell you the specifics of what you need if you tell them what you're doing) that should run just about $150, maybe a little more because you're a one time customer and it's such a small load.
I would order it from a concrete plant if it were me. 2 yards of concrete is a lot of mixing by hand and if you rent a mixer you'll spend that much easy.
100 square feet would be around 50 80# bags of quickrete at $5ish a bag, $250. Plus you'd have to buy a trowel and either rent a mixer or mix it all in a wheelbarrow. I'd call the local concrete company and see how much they charge for premix. May ba a better deal and you could actually go bigger.
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 02:43 PM
also, if there is a construction site close, you might talk to them about ordering a couple of yards long on one of their pours and just kick some money back to the superintendent on site. It's a little more of a hastle (maybe not if the batch plant won't fill that small of an order or work with a one time customer), but you can probably get it cheaper because the super's company will be paying for the concrete and he'll be pocketing the money.
It doesn't hurt to ask.
oumartin
1/27/2006, 02:44 PM
thanks andy..
also, if there is a construction site close, you might talk to them about ordering a couple of yards long on one of their pours and just kick some money back to the superintendent on site. It's a little more of a hastle (maybe not if the batch plant won't fill that small of an order or work with a one time customer), but you can probably get it cheaper because the super's company will be paying for the concrete and he'll be pocketing the money.
It doesn't hurt to ask.
this sounds like a good way to get buried under the concrete. :D
oumartin
1/27/2006, 02:46 PM
we are actually doing some concrete work at our site pretty soon. in fact it may be done next week. maybe i can get the area ready for a pour and see if i can swing that. Just dont' know if construction guy for the project will do it. doesn't hurt to ask.
SOONER44EVER
1/27/2006, 03:12 PM
4 inches thick is plenty. Driveways are usually on 4 inches thick. 6 inches is just a waste of money. Call the concrete company and tell them the exact size slab you are pouring and they will tell you how much you need. There is usually a 2 yard minimum. I bought concrete about 4 months ago and it was around $80 per yard. If you do it yourself be prepared. Its hard work and once you start pouring and finishing you can't take rest breaks. I'd suggest finding 2 guys doing a concrete job and telling them you'll give them $100 each to do it for you and you'll furnish materials, order the concrete, etc. Remember you'll need 2X4s, stakes, double headed nails, sand and other stuff.
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 03:20 PM
not to dissent here, 4" is good for sidewalks, driveways should be at least
5". I'd go with 5" and use the welded wire mesh to help prevent cracking.
Make sure the mesh is roughly in the middle of the concrete and not next to the ground. Use broken bricks or something similar to prop it off the ground. You can probably buy 2" chairs or dobies from Home Depot or Lowes.
Without figuring in any waste; 4" thick will be 1.23 yards, 5" will be 1.54 yards and 6" will be 1.85 yards. There shouldn't be much waste if any, depending on how close you can get the truck. If you can tailgate it great, if you have to use a wheelbarrow there will be some but not much.
Oh, I'd also put a light broom finish on it for safety.
Oh, I'll also put a light broom finish on it for safety.
You just gonna sit there and drink beer while he's doing all the hard work?
SOONER44EVER
1/27/2006, 03:25 PM
They have concrete with fiberglass strands in it now where you don't really have to use the wire mesh. We used it on my dad's driveway. Its about 10 years old and no cracks.
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 03:26 PM
You just gonna sit there and drink beer while he's doing all the hard work?
you think the brains behind the operation is gonna get all sweaty and ****?:D
oumartin
1/27/2006, 03:32 PM
all the sudden i don't wanna make a pad anymore.
4" would be fine. What's the most weight it would hold? Someone running on it isn't going to be a big pounding. Probably wouldn't hurt to make the footing area a little thicker. That'd add a little bit to the amounts. And, as it's pouring, reach in and lift up the mesh.
On one end, put a pipe (sleeve) in the ground in case you ever want to add a goal.
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:37 PM
If there is a 2 yard minimum (which there will be) than you can either make it 4" and throw away some (and then haul it off) or make it 6" and use it all and remove all doubt about whether or not you'll have any problems.
The waste factor on a slab is negligible, but I do think that there would be some, 1tc, due to variations in the depth of the pad (unless you get a laser level out there and check yourself that closely, which is a waste.
I would recommend using 6x6 welded wire fabric for the reinforcing. This eliminates the need to use chairs to lift the reinforcing, as you can just lift the wire with the hook on the back of your comealong as you're pouring the slab. In my experience, the fiberglass can be a little hit or miss. It's great when the plant gets it right, but sometimes there are problems.
If you do have finishers, make sure you have them put some control joints in the thing to control the cracking.
1tc, do you remember what the conventions are on spacing of control joints? I seem to remember that control joints are supposed to be spaced either 1) the width of the concrete, or 2) 10 times the thickness of the concrete. At 4" depth, this would put you at control joints every 3', which would be excessive.
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 03:38 PM
4" would be fine. What's the most weight it would hold? Someone running on it isn't going to be a big pounding. Probably wouldn't hurt to make the footing area a little thicker. That'd add a little bit to the amounts. And, as it's pouring, reach in and lift up the mesh.
On one end, put a pipe (sleeve) in the ground in case you ever want to add a goal.
when most plants have a minimum order of 2 yards why not go 5"?
I'd say pulling the mesh up while the mud is being poured is a terrible idea. Definitely not a common practice in the commercial construction industry. *edit* maybe it is but I'd spend the extra $5 on dobies or chairs*
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:39 PM
have I ever told you guys how bad I hate concrete?
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:40 PM
when most plants have a minimum order of 2 yards why not go 5"?
I'd say pulling the mesh up while the mud is being poured is a terrible idea. Definitely not a common practice in the commercial construction industry.
we're not talking about a structural slab, here. The practice is common for topping slabs and in residential types of construction.
If you disagree, we can have a unicycle-off to figure out who's right.
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 03:42 PM
If I remember right concrete wants to break every 12-15 feet. I'd make 2 cuts and make it look like a 10' x10' four-square court.
*edit* Oh, I'd also use #9 bars 8" on center each way. joking of course*
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 03:43 PM
Indian leg wrestle?
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:51 PM
How sad is it that over the past 2 years, I only have about 50 pictures of this job. I took 50 per day when I was working on the stadium.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1374/scooter2yk.jpg
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:51 PM
ooh, make that 51 pictures. This was a particularly proud day for me:
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4977/stuckexcavator3ua.jpg
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:54 PM
another day when I was particularly proud of our guys:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8930/bleh9sj.jpg
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 03:55 PM
On second thought, no one should be taking construction advice from me.
another day when I was particularly proud of our guys:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8930/bleh9sj.jpg
I usually only see golf carts like that.
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 03:57 PM
that's awesome!!
When I was in Denver my concrete foreman really ****ed me off one day so the next day when they were pouring I stood right by the truck and told the driver that we would be adding 0 gallons of water. The foreman was ready to kill me but he knew/learned who the boss was and didn't talk back to the owner(GSA rep) any more. Well, that and the spec said we couldn't add water.
There's nothing funnier than construction job humor.
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 04:08 PM
I was playing in a golf tourney when they turned over the forklift. That evening I went down with the wife to check it out. The security guard thought it was hilarious when I climbed in and acted like I was driving it so that my wife could snap a picture. The main office wasn't so happy when that pic started making the rounds.
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 04:09 PM
There's nothing funnier than construction job humor.
Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying (about the fact that you got a college degree and you're still just a construction worker)
oumartin
1/27/2006, 04:41 PM
I'm just gonna go buy the landscaping cinderblocks and then use driveway sealer.. ;)
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 04:49 PM
I'm just gonna go buy the landscaping cinderblocks and then use driveway sealer.. ;)
you could get a job with Home Creations with that know-how!!
oumartin
1/27/2006, 04:52 PM
i dont' think my wrists are limp enuff.
oumartin
1/27/2006, 05:28 PM
oh, and its a 4 yard minimum where i am at..
1stTimeCaller
1/27/2006, 05:30 PM
make that bitch 2 feet thick!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or bribe the local construction superintendent like Andy suggested
Jimminy Crimson
1/27/2006, 05:53 PM
Call Jason Whites dad, so your son (and you) can brag to your friends. Maybe some of his athletic genes can rub off onto the concrete. ;)
oumartin
1/27/2006, 06:03 PM
oh heck. J. Whites babys momma attended my wedding! so maybe i can swing a little something!
Plus, i got a pic of my boy with whites heisman hanging my Sooner room.
OUHOMER
1/27/2006, 06:09 PM
had a 30 x 40 metal building built a couple of years ago, They used the fibre mess concrete and did not use any metal in the concrete. they put a relief cut down the middle and 1 evey 10 ft across.. no cracks yet
If you want the court to last forever then tell them that you want type I cement (low-alkali if possible) and NO flyash in the mix.
That's what the .gov does on bridges and stuff.
Okieflyer
1/27/2006, 07:00 PM
I have bids from about $500-$1000 to replace a 10x10 section. I would think doing it yourself would save some substantial coin.
YOU THE MAN!!! I f your getting that! Good job.
OUAndy1807
1/27/2006, 07:06 PM
had a 30 x 40 metal building built a couple of years ago, They used the fibre mess concrete and did not use any metal in the concrete. they put a relief cut down the middle and 1 evey 10 ft across.. no cracks yet
oh, there are cracks. there are always cracks. they're just in the control joints that were cut.
Al Gore
1/27/2006, 07:22 PM
ooh, make that 51 pictures. This was a particularly proud day for me:
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4977/stuckexcavator3ua.jpgI'm glad you don't work for me!!!!!!
Al Gore
1/27/2006, 07:23 PM
another day when I was particularly proud of our guys:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8930/bleh9sj.jpgIf it didn't kill him......fired.....
Al Gore
1/27/2006, 07:25 PM
If you want the court to last forever then tell them that you want type I cement (low-alkali if possible) and NO flyash in the mix.
That's what the .gov does on bridges and stuff.At least that is what you think you are getting......test all the trucks...not just the first few.....
Al Gore
1/27/2006, 07:40 PM
oh, and its a 4 yard minimum where i am at..Double the size....or make a court/tornado shelter......
GottaHavePride
1/27/2006, 08:01 PM
Make it 5" thick and go to 15' by 15'. If you sink it a bit deeper to mount the pole you'll be really close to 4 yards, I'd think.
oumartin
1/27/2006, 08:14 PM
already got a bondage room...errr. I mean basement.
I think I will just take my time and see what I wanna do..
wife aint to keen on it anyhow.
SoonerInKCMO
1/27/2006, 09:21 PM
I'd make the kid play on dirt. That's jus' me though.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
1/28/2006, 01:11 AM
Well, DUH! Concrete is a construction material/Cement is a town near Blanchard.
What's a reasonable price/sq. foot for clearing out an area and pouring concrete? I just got bid #1 for a 1-x10 patio and it seemed pretty high. Basically what should it cost me for this patio if I don't lift a finger?
Are you going with an indoor or outdoor keg?
Outdoor has been deemed too expensive for now. I'm probably going to go with a big beer tub for now. Or buy the indoor one and keep it in the garage and make my roommate fetch me pitchers. Everything on this project is more expensive than anticipated.
1stTimeCaller
3/17/2006, 04:39 PM
Well, DUH! Concrete is a construction material/Cement is a town near Blanchard.
Blanchard is nowhere near Cement.
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