2001 rivals 100

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Rank Pos. Player Hometown Ht. Wt. 40 Schools
1 RB Kevin Jones Chester, PA 6'2" 200 4.23 Signed with Virginia Tech
2 CB Dominic Robinson Diamond Bar, CA 6'1" 192 4.49 Signed with Florida State
3 TE Marcus Spears Baton Rouge, LA 6'5" 270 4.6 Signed with Louisiana State
4 WR Roscoe Crosby Buffalo, SC 6'2" 195 4.4 Signed with Clemson
5 S Ernest Shazor Detroit, MI 6'4" 200 4.45 Signed with Michigan
6 QB Brodie Croyle Rainbow City, AL 6'3" 186 4.71 Signed with Alabama
7 WR Reggie Williams Tacoma, WA 6'4" 215 4.4 Signed with Washington
8 DT Tommie Harris Killeen, TX 6'3" 275 4.8 Signed with Oklahoma
9 DE Shaun Cody Hacienda Heights, CA 6'5" 253 4.85 Signed with Southern Cal
10 S Matt Ware Los Angeles, CA 6'3" 195 4.43 Signed with UCLA
11 LB Leon Williams New York, NY 6'4" 232 4.6 Signed with Miami
12 LB Michael Craven La Quinta, CA 6'1" 215 4.56 Signed with Stanford
13 CB Ahmad Carroll Atlanta, GA 6'0" 190 4.4 Signed with Arkansas
14 WR Michael Clayton Baton Rouge, LA 6'2" 200 4.5 Signed with Louisiana State
15 DT Marquise Hill New Orleans, LA 6'8" 300 5.2 Signed with Louisiana State
16 RB Kelly Baraka Portage, MI 6'1" 185 4.4 Signed with Michigan
17 QB D.J. Shockley College Park, GA 6'2" 185 4.4 Signed with Georgia
18 OL Ben Wilkerson Hemphill, TX 6'4" 265 4.8 Signed with Louisiana State
19 RB Jabari Davis Stone Mountain, GA 6'0" 230 4.5 Signed with Tennessee
20 LB Kevin Simon Concord, CA 5'11" 215 4.43 Signed with Tennessee
21 OL Chris Spencer Madison, MS 6'4" 305 5.2 Signed with Mississippi
22 RB Cedric Benson Midland, TX 6'0" 195 4.5 Signed with Texas
23 WR Charles Frederick Boca Raton, FL 5'11" 170 4.45 Signed with Washington
24 RB Carnell Williams Attalla, AL 5'11" 192 4.42 Signed with Auburn
25 DT Orien Harris Newark, DE 6'4" 270 4.8 Signed with Miami
26 OL Jonathan Scott Dallas, TX 6'7" 286 5.0 Signed with Texas
27 DE Pierre Woods Cleveland, OH 6'6" 215 4.6 Signed with Michigan
28 CB Antrel Rolle Homestead, FL 6'0" 200 4.45 Signed with Miami
29 OL Blake Larsen Atlantic, IA 6'7" 295 5.0 Signed with Iowa
30 OL Mark LeVoir Eden Prairie, MN 6'7" 305 5.0 Signed with Notre Dame
31 LB Marvin Simmons Long Beach, CA 6'0" 218 4.39 Signed with Southern Cal
32 WR Airese Currie Columbia, SC 5'11" 180 4.4 Signed with Clemson
33 DT Lorenzo Alexander Berkeley, CA 6'2" 292 5.2 Signed with California
34 LB Lemarcus Rowell Opelika, AL 6'3" 212 4.67 Signed with Auburn
35 OL Jami Hightower Jacksonville, TX 6'4" 302 5.2 Signed with Texas A&M
36 QB Joe Mauer St. Paul, MN 6'4" 205 4.7 Signed with Florida State
37 OL Ron Lunford Jacksonville, FL 6'5" 320 5.3 Signed with Florida State
38 DT Anttaj Hawthorne Hamden, CT 6'5" 285 4.9 Signed with Wisconsin
39 OL Andrew Whitworth West Monroe, LA 6'7" 300 4.9 Signed with Louisiana State
40 RB Eric Shelton Lexington, KY 6'3" 236 4.5 Signed with Florida State
41 RB Derrick Tinsley Marietta, GA 6'1" 180 4.4 Signed with Tennessee
42 DT Charles Rush Erie, PA 6'3" 286 4.9 Signed with Penn State
43 LB Willie Jones Miami, FL 6'2" 195 -- Signed with Florida State
44 RB Cedric Houston Clarendon, AR 6'0" 200 4.4 Signed with Tennessee
45 CB Marlin Jackson Sharon, PA 6'1" 185 -- Signed with Michigan
46 WR Tim Massaquoi Orefield, PA 6'4" 215 4.6 Signed with Michigan
47 CB Robert Boulware Charlotte, NC 5'11" 180 4.4 Signed with Tennessee
48 QB Derek Anderson Scappoose, OR 6'6" 220 4.8 Signed with Oregon State
49 S Gerard Ross Jacksonville, FL 6'2" 190 4.4 Signed with Florida State
50 RB De'Arrius Howard West Memphis, AR 5'11" 220 4.45 Signed with Arkansas
51 QB Matt Leinart Santa Ana, CA 6'5" 208 -- Signed with Southern Cal
52 S Jerome Carter Lake City, FL 5'11" 208 4.61 Signed with Florida State
53 QB Kellen Clemens Burns, OR 6'2" 190 4.8 Signed with Oregon
54 LB Reggie Arden, Jr. Ironton, OH 6'5" 225 4.7 Signed with Ohio State
55 TE Mark Anderson Lewistown, MT 6'7" 266 4.74 Signed with Stanford
56 LB Derrick Johnson Waco, TX 6'4" 205 4.4 Signed with Texas
57 WR Craphonso Thorpe Tallahassee, FL 6'2" 175 4.4 Signed with Florida State
58 DE Marquis Elmore Folkston, GA 6'4" 230 4.65 Signed with Georgia
59 RB Maurice Hall Columbus, OH 5'10" 185 4.35 Signed with Ohio State
60 RB J.R. Lemon Tyrone, GA 6'2" 217 4.5 Signed with Stanford
61 DE Chauncey Davis Auburndale, FL 6'2" 230 4.6 Signed with Florida State
62 OL Shawn Andrews Camden, AR 6'4" 320 5.1 Signed with Arkansas
63 QB Kyle Orton Altoona, IA 6'4" 200 4.8 Signed with Purdue
64 OL Robert Cleary Lake Elsinore, CA 6'7" 275 -- Signed with UCLA
65 QB Brent Rawls Shreveport, LA 6'5" 190 4.65 Signed with Oklahoma
66 DE Jocques Dumas Asheboro, NC 6'9" 242 4.7 Signed with North Carolina
67 WR Angelo Chattams Dayton, OH 5'11" 180 4.45 Signed with Ohio State
68 LB Jeb Huckeba Searcy, AR 6'5" 201 4.47 Signed with Arkansas
69 QB Adrian McPherson Bradenton, FL 6'4" 185 4.55 Signed with Florida State
70 DE Pat Massey Cleveland, OH 6'8" 235 4.7 Signed with Michigan
71 LB Scott McClintock Belle Vernon, PA 6'3" 240 4.58 Signed with Michigan
72 WR Brandon Jones Texarkana, TX 6'1" 195 4.54 Signed with Oklahoma
73 RB Frank Gore Miami, FL 5'10" 190 4.45 Signed with Miami
74 WR Montrell Jones Louisville, KY 6'2" 185 4.5 Signed with Tennessee
75 DE Simon Fraser Upper Arlington, OH 6'6" 240 4.9 Signed with Ohio State
76 QB Casey Paus New Lenox, IL 6'5" 200 4.7 Signed with Washington
77 CB Brett Bell Wheaton, IL 6'0" 180 4.5 Signed with Wisconsin
78 OL Rudy Niswanger Monroe, LA 6'6" 265 5.05 Signed with Louisiana State
79 WR Junior Taylor Mesa, AZ 6'3" 185 4.4 Signed with UCLA
80 WR Fred Lee Harrisburg, PA 5'10" 170 4.4 Signed with Virginia Tech
81 QB Bryan Randall Williamsburg, VA 6'2" 200 4.5 Signed with Virginia Tech
82 S Dustin Fox Canton, OH 6'0" 190 4.4 Signed with Ohio State
83 RB Damien Nash East St. Louis, IL 5'11" 195 4.3 Signed with Missouri
84 RB Ayo Saba Blackwood, NJ 6'0" 255 4.75 Signed with Kansas State
85 CB Lamar Baker Avondale, AZ 5'11" 180 4.5 Signed with Arizona State
86 QB C.J. Fayton Virginia Beach, VA 6'2" 180 4.4 Signed with Tennessee
87 DT Tyler Reed Pittsburgh, PA 6'5" 305 5.0 Signed with Penn State
88 DT Wayne Dickens Lakeland, FL 6'2" 273 5.0 Signed with Auburn
89 CB Quan Cosby Mart, TX 5'10" 180 4.3 Signed with Texas
90 RB Thez Robinson Lyons, GA 5'11" 185 4.5 Signed with South Carolina
91 DE George Gause Conway, SC 6'5" 235 4.6 Signed with South Carolina
92 S Clarence McDougal Clinton, MS 6'1" 200 4.52 Signed with Mississippi State
93 WR Jerome Janet Tulsa, OK 5'11" 190 4.4 Signed with Kansas State
94 DT Thomas Derricks Dallas, TX 6'1" 287 4.85 Signed with Northwestern
95 CB Tramain Hall Deerfield Beach, FL 5'11" 185 4.47 Signed with North Carolina State
96 DE Jonathan Jackson Houston, TX 6'4" 220 4.56 Signed with Oklahoma
97 WR Larry Fitzgerald, Jr. Richfield, MN 6'4" 215 4.42 Signed with Pittsburgh
98 QB Nic Costa Aloha, OR 5'11" 190 4.28 Signed with Arizona
99 RB Donta Hickson McKinney, TX 5'10" 185 4.4 Signed with Oklahoma
100 RB Mike Bell Tolleson, AZ 6'0" 185 -- Signed with Arizona

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

some things to note:

this seems to be the class where early entrants seem to be the norm at the top.

pfft, jerome janet

[MojoRisen]

Has Rawls done anything at LS Tech? Interesting to see those names out there... lots of em in the NFL or will be...

[BillyBall]

Has Rawls done anything at LS Tech? Interesting to see those names out there... lots of em in the NFL or will be...

He isn't at LS Tech. He was there for about a week and left for the Arena League..... He will be serving fries fairly soon would be my guess.

[The Consumate Showman]

Funny, Brodie Croyle, DJ Shockely, and Derek Anderson ranked ahead of Whineart??? Then Joe Mauer, isn't he the kid who opted for the MLB draft and is the new "phenom" catcher for the Twins? People say he is the re-birth of guys like Yogi and Bench.......brother Jake also for the Twins?

[Harry Beanbag]

There are a lot of really good players who had/are having great careers on that list. And there are some that were never heard from again. Typical.

[The Consumate Showman]

how about Spears at TE......heh?

[Soonerfan1993]

2006 Class(Following 8-4 Season)
1 5 Star
13 4 Stars
14 3 Stars
3.54 Average Star
4 Rivals 100 Players Gerald McCoy, Jermaine Gresham, DeMarco Murray, Adron Tennel

2000 Class(Following 7-5 Season)
1 5 Star
3 4 Star
12 3 Stars(2 out of 12 3 Stars were Antonio Perkins and Dan Cody)
9 2 Stars(2 out of 9 2 Stars were Teddy Lehman and Mark Clayton)
2 1 Stars
2.70 Average Star
1 Rivals 100 Player Wes Simms

[Harry Beanbag]

All I have is the OU commitment page from 2000.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010414015425/rivals100.rivals.com/default.asp?p=6&y=2000&sp=1&cs=1.1.1.71.24


1999 too if you want it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010414015425/rivals100.rivals.com/default.asp?p=6&y=2000&sp=1&cs=1.1.1.71.24

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

2000 rivals 100

1 LB Dee Jay Williams Concord, CA 6'2" 220 4.49 Signed with Miami (FL)
2 QB Brock Berlin Shreveport, LA 6'2" 202 4.7 Signed with Florida
3 WR B.J. Johnson Grand Prairie, TX 6'0" 180 4.4 Signed with Texas
4 RB Marcus Houston Denver, CO 6'2" 200 4.39 Signed with Colorado
5 WR Charles Rogers Saginaw, MI 6'4" 189 4.45 Signed with Michigan St.
6 DE Travis Johnson Sherman Oaks, CA 6'5" 265 4.58 Signed with Florida St.
7 WR Johnnie Morant Parsippany, NJ 6'4" 220 4.5 Signed with Syracuse
8 LB Darrell Lee St. Louis, MO 6'5" 230 4.5 Signed with Florida
9 OL Kwame Harris Newark, DE 6'7" 325 5.1 Signed with Stanford
10 RB Willis McGahee Miami, FL 6'1" 217 4.47 Signed with Miami (FL)
11 CB Bryant McFadden Hollywood, FL 6'1" 180 4.5 Signed with Florida St.
12 OL Michael Muñoz Cincinnati, OH 6'7" 285 5.2 Signed with Tennessee
13 OL Antonio Hall Canton, OH 6'5" 300 5.1 Signed with Kentucky
14 RB Sam Maldonado Harrison, NY 6'2" 215 4.5 Signed with Ohio St.
15 WR Roy Williams Odessa, TX 6'3" 195 4.5 Signed with Texas
16 QB Jeff Smoker Manheim, PA 6'4" 190 4.62 Signed with Michigan St.
17 S Matt Grootegoed Santa Ana, CA 6'0" 200 4.5 Signed with Southern Cal
18 OL Wes Sims Weatherford, OK 6'5" 300 5.03 Signed with Oklahoma
19 S O.J. Owens New London, NC 6'0" 190 4.4 Signed with Tennessee
20 CB Lawrence Richardson Galveston, TX 5'11" 170 4.3 Signed with Arkansas
21 OL Jason Respert Warner Robins, GA 6'3" 290 5.0 Signed with Tennessee
22 LB Eric Moore Pahokee, FL 6'5" 225 4.7 Signed with Florida St.
23 DT Albert Means Memphis, TN 6'6" 305 4.9 Signed with Alabama
24 RB Albert Hollis Sacramento, CA 6'0" 195 4.4 Signed with Georgia
25 DT Mac Tyler Bessemer, AL 6'6" 305 4.9 Signed with Alabama
26 OL Sean Young Cohutta, GA 6'8" 295 5.1 Signed with Tennessee
27 S Yohance Buchanan Atlants, GA 6'2" 205 4.4 Signed with Florida St.
28 LB Marco Cooper Detroit, MI 6'2" 230 4.5 Signed with Ohio St.
29 WR Willie Dixon Stockton, CA 5'11" 173 4.31 Signed with Miami (FL)
30 QB Chance Mock The Woodlands, TX 6'2" 190 4.53 Signed with Texas
31 OL Shannon Snell Hillsborough, FL 6'6" 305 5.2 Signed with Florida
32 OL Joe McGuire Anaheim, CA 6'6" 290 5.3 Signed with Southern Cal
33 OL Paul Mociler Bellflower, CA 6'6" 298 5.53 Signed with UCLA
34 QB Casey Clausen Mission Hills, CA 6'4" 205 4.8 Signed with Tennessee
35 QB Jason Campbell Taylorsville, MS 6'5" 185 4.8 Signed with Auburn
36 CB Corey Bailey Hialeah, FL 5'10" 165 4.65 Signed with Florida
37 DE Adam Doiron Duncan, OK 6'4" 260 4.78 Signed with Texas
38 TE Chris Septak Omaha, NE 6'5" 235 4.6 Signed with Nebraska
39 LB Raymond Mann Hampton, VA 6'2" 228 4.5 Signed with Virginia
40 RB Tyson Thompson Irving, TX 6'2" 190 4.5 Signed with TCU
41 DE Amon Gordon San Diego, CA 6'3" 271 5.06 Signed with Stanford
42 S Harold James, Jr. Osceola, AR 6'2" 218 4.6 Signed with Alabama
43 TE Eric Knott Detroit, MI 6'4" 235 4.55 Signed with Michigan St.
44 QB Chris Rix Rancho, CA 6'3" 196 4.53 Signed with Florida St.
45 WR Tab Perry Milpitas, CA 6'3" 205 4.4 Signed with UCLA
46 WR Sloan Thomas Klein, TX 6'3" 189 4.4 Signed with Texas
47 TE Alex Holmes N. Hollywood, CA 6'3" 285 4.7 Signed with Southern Cal
48 WR Carlos Perez Hoboken, NJ 6'0" 200 4.5 Signed with Florida
49 TE Brock Edwards Fort Worth, TX 6'5" 250 4.64 Signed with Texas
50 DT Anthony Bryant Newbern, AL 6'4" 312 4.93 Signed with Alabama
51 LB Tim Johnson Morristown, NJ 6'3" 245 4.7 Signed with Penn St.
52 DT Greg Pauly Waukesha, WI 6'6" 270 4.8 Signed with Notre Dame
53 OL Carlos Joseph Miami, FL 6'5" 315 5.1 Signed with Miami (FL)
54 S Adrian Mayes Houston, TX 6'2" 200 4.4 Signed with LSU
55 LB Hobie Holiday Warner Robins, GA 6'3" 227 4.67 Signed with Georgia Tech
56 DT Stevie Lee Shreveport, LA 6'5" 310 5.0 Signed with Texas
57 WR Reggie Vickers Belle Glades, FL 5'11" 160 4.45 Signed with Florida
58 LB Darius Jones Beloit, WI 6'4" 245 4.75 Signed with Wisconsin
59 QB Craig Ochs Boulder, CO 6'2" 208 4.55 Signed with Colorado
60 OL Chris Boggas Irving, TX 6'3" 300 5.2 Signed with Kansas St.
61 DT Justin Hinds Piscataway, NJ 6'4" 265 4.8 Signed with Boston College
62 DE Antwan Odom Bayou La Batre, AL 6'6" 257 4.7 Signed with Alabama
63 S Tre Orr Lake City, FL 6'2" 195 4.4 Signed with Florida
64 OL Dan Dicks Bellevue, WA 6'5" 280 5.1 Signed with Washington
65 LB Chad Mascoe Kissimmee, FL 6'2" 215 4.5 Signed with Florida St.
66 QB Carlyle Holiday San Antonio, TX 6'3" 185 4.5 Signed with Notre Dame
67 RB Vontez Duff Copperas Cove, TX 6'0" 180 4.4 Signed with Notre Dame
68 OL Chris McKelvey Lansdale, PA 6'4" 295 5.15 Signed with Penn St.
69 RB Shyrone Carey Marrero, LA 5'9" 178 4.4 Signed with Tennessee
70 DT Steve Williams Bolingbrook, IL 6'3" 280 4.88 Signed with Indiana
71 RB Greg Jones Beaufort, SC 6'1" 225 4.5 Signed with Florida St.
72 DE Will Smith Utica, NY 6'4" 230 4.55 Signed with Ohio St.
73 S Carl Walker Jacksonville, FL 6'3" 190 4.5 Signed with Miami (FL)
74 QB Zac Wasserman Westlake Village, CA 6'4" 203 4.8 Signed with Penn St.
75 DT Erik Noll Gaithersburg, MD 6'5" 295 4.84 Signed with Penn St.
76 WR Rashad Baker Camden, NJ 6'0" 185 4.41 Signed with Tennessee
77 RB Tyrell Dortch Hoboken, NJ 5'11" 190 4.45 Signed with Michigan St.
78 TE Terrell Suggs Chandler, AZ 6'4" 235 4.5 Signed with Arizona St.
79 TE Teyo Johnson San Diego, CA 6'6" 242 4.84 Signed with Stanford
80 TE Quinn Sypniewski Granger, IA 6'6" 255 4.75 Signed with Colorado
81 WR Kelvin Kight Lithonia, GA 5'11" 185 4.45 Signed with Florida
82 RB Tony Johnson State College, PA 5'11" 186 4.57 Signed with Penn St.
83 LB Michael Boulware Columbia, SC 6'2" 200 4.5 Signed with Florida St.
84 QB Brandon Sumner Daytona Beach, FL 6'3" 195 4.65 Signed with Georgia Tech
85 LB Mike Goolsby Joliet, IL 6'4" 225 4.55 Signed with Notre Dame
86 LB Jason Richenberger Liberty, MO 6'2" 197 4.53 Signed with Nebraska
87 TE Sean McHugh Chagrin Falls, OH 6'6" 245 4.75 Signed with Penn St.
88 CB Adam Black Houston, TX 6'0" 175 4.4 Signed with Texas A&M
89 RB Willie Green Kissimmee, FL 5'9" 200 4.55 Signed with Florida
90 RB Derron Parquet Metairie, LA 6'0" 205 4.5 Signed with LSU
91 CB Richard Johnson Randallstown, MD 6'0" 170 4.38 Signed with Virginia Tech
92 LB Karlton Neal Chicago, IL 6'5" 235 4.67 Signed with Tennessee
93 OL Alex Barron Orangeburg, SC 6'8" 298 4.9 Signed with Florida St.
94 RB Jermelle Lewis Bloomfield, CT 5'10" 200 4.3 Signed with Iowa
95 QB John Rattay Phoenix, AZ 6'4" 203 4.55 Signed with Tennessee
96 RB Tatum Bell DeSoto, TX 6'0" 180 4.4 Signed with Oklahoma St.
97 OL Maurice Mitchell Albany, GA 6'8" 285 5.1 Signed with Alabama
98 DE Derek Wake Hyattsville, MD 6'3" 230 4.55 Signed with Penn St.
99 DE Jason Witten Elizabethton, TN 6'6" 255 4.8 Signed with Tennessee
100 RB Dustin Picciotti Doylestown, PA 6'3" 235 4.55 Signed with Pittsburgh

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

btw doiron was the last 5*

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

OU only had 1 4* player that year. anyone want to hazard a guess?

[Harry Beanbag]

OU only had 1 4* player that year. anyone want to hazard a guess?


If by 1 4* player you mean 1 high school 4* player then I would say Jammal Brown.

[Soonerfan1993]

If by 1 4* player you mean 1 high school 4* player then I would say Jammal Brown.

Correct the other 2 4 stars in 2000 were JC players DE Marcus Chreitan DB Terrence Simms

So the next time somebody comes up with Oklahoma is struggling in recruiting then they should look no farther then 6(2001), 7(2000) or 8(1999) classes ago now compared to our Senior, Junior, Sophmore and Freshman going into 2006. It is light years atleast on paper. It should also tell you that Bob Stoops is a ALOT BETTER COACH then Mack Brown.

[Soonerfan1993]

2006 Class(Following 8-4 Season)
1 5 Star
13 4 Stars
14 3 Stars
3.54 Average Star 28 Recruits
4 Rivals 100 Players Gerald McCoy, Jermaine Gresham, DeMarco Murray, Adron Tennel

2001 Class(Following 13-0 National Championship)
1 5 Star
11 4 Stars
9 3 Stars
7 2 Stars
3.21 Average Star 28 Recruits
5 Rivals 100 Harris, Rawls, Jones, Jackson, Hickson

2006 Looks like a Far Better Class then 20001.

[Soonerfan1993]

2001 Class link
http://web.archive.org/web/20010414004809/http://rivals100.rivals.com/default.asp?sid=135&p=6&sp=1&cs=1.1.1.71.24

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Correct the other 2 4 stars in 2000 were JC players DE Marcus Chreitan DB Terrence Simms

So the next time somebody comes up with Oklahoma is struggling in recruiting then they should look no farther then 6(2001), 7(2000) or 8(1999) classes ago now compared to our Senior, Junior, Sophmore and Freshman going into 2006. It is light years atleast on paper. It should also tell you that Bob Stoops is a ALOT BETTER COACH then Mack Brown.

or that recruiting services are full of it.

[Soonerfan1993]

2001
37 Ron Lunford is the last 5 Star

[Harry Beanbag]

Who?

[The Consumate Showman]

or that recruiting services are full of it.


Ditto.:D

[Soonerfan1993]

Yeah that is why 90% of the guys who will be drafted in the 1rst Round in the NFL draft this year were 4 and 5 star guys out of HS and not 1, 2 or 3 stars.

[Half a Hundred]

Yeah that is why 90% of the guys who will be drafted in the 1rst Round in the NFL draft this year were 4 and 5 star guys out of HS and not 1, 2 or 3 stars.

For the last time, who gives a flyin' f*** about the NFL? Seriously, as an OU fan, I'd much rather see a Jason White come in, tear opponents up, win the Heisman, etc, regardless of his not being in the NFL. Sure, it's nice to see our guys perform well at the next level, but pro status is not the single measure of football success.

[NormanPride]

For the last time, who gives a flyin' f*** about the NFL? Seriously, as an OU fan, I'd much rather see a Jason White come in, tear opponents up, win the Heisman, etc, regardless of his not being in the NFL. Sure, it's nice to see our guys perform well at the next level, but pro status is not the single measure of football success.

Because regardless of what we think, kids look at the NFL before they choose schools. If we want to get the good players (J-dub was a 4* I believe) we need to send some to the next level, otherwise we won't get any respect.

[The Consumate Showman]

For the last time, who gives a flyin' f*** about the NFL? Seriously, as an OU fan, I'd much rather see a Jason White come in, tear opponents up, win the Heisman, etc, regardless of his not being in the NFL. Sure, it's nice to see our guys perform well at the next level, but pro status is not the single measure of football success.


Uhh, couple of examples for ya.

Think of this year's class. McCoy might not even be considering OU if it weren't for Tommie Harris. If we get McCoy, every Sooner fan should thank Tommie, I think he will have something to do with Gerald's final decision, maybe not a big "something", but that relationship has got to be in the back of his mind...

Also, if you listen to the LB's we get every year, they ALL talk about how they love the fact that Brent has, what, 8 LB'S in the NFL, with Ruuuu and Zach sure fire NFL LB's of the future......

[The Consumate Showman]

And, OU is slowly becoming a BREEDING ground for great WR's(clayton, bradley, jones, t-money, and we know M.K. will be playing on Sundays along with, possibly, Iglesias, long shot, and Huggins), something that will obviously help us in the coming years........

[Half a Hundred]

OK, OK, I understand the arguments, I agree that it does help recruiting immensely. I get a little irritated every time the whole NFL thing pops up, mostly because I realize it means that much to the actual players. Kinda undermines what we cheer for and dedicate time to. Perhaps I am just too enamored with the concept of being a traditional football power, the pageantry etc. but I guess we all in some way have to be a pro factory like Miami these days, 30K crowds be damned.

Thank God we're Oklahoma, and that still means something to a lot of kids.

[NormanPride]

I feel ya, man. I hate the early entrants as well, but you've gotta think of the kids. I know if I had a chance to bolt and make a quick million or 12 to help my family out I would.

I'm just thankful that the NFL requires three years out of HS...

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Yeah that is why 90% of the guys who will be drafted in the 1rst Round in the NFL draft this year were 4 and 5 star guys out of HS and not 1, 2 or 3 stars.

but 90% of the guys we've had drafted in the 1st round WEREN'T 5 star guys. personally, i'm really sick of the whole early entrant thing. it can absolutely wreck the position for 2-3 years after it happens.

[Scott D]

How weight projection isn't a science


WR Tim Massaquoi Orefield, PA 6'4" 215 4.6 Signed with Michigan


TE Tim Massaquoi Allentown, PA (Parkland) 6'4 252 (5th year Sen.)

[okienole3]

One of the best classes ever and hardly any ranked guys. I would have to say that recruiting services are full of crap.


QB Josh Heupel Snow Junior College,Aberdeen CA UR
CB Curtis Brumble Jenks,Jenks OK UR
S Antwone Savage Westover,Albany GA UR
WR Rod Taylor Sam Houston,Arlington TX UR
QB Chase Williams Hall,Tulsa OK UR
DT Cory Kline Union,Tulsa OK UR
RB Quenton Griffith Nimitz,Aldine TX UR
TE Brian Jimmerson Norman,Norman OK UR
DT Ramon Richardson Northeastern Oklahoma A&M,Broken Arrow OK UR
DE Trey Whitlock Sam Houston,Arlington TX UR
S Matt McCoy Jenks,Tulsa OK UR
QB Jason White Tuttle,Tuttle OK 88
WR Derrick Strait Lanier,Austin TX UR
DT Jon Hawk Mullen,Denver CO 45
LB Eric Thunander Lee's Summit,Lee's Summit MO UR
DT Brad Ware Westfield,Houston TX UR
WR Jarvis Smith Nimitz,Houston TX 74
QB Brandon Everage Granger,Granger TX 62
TE Josh Tucker Moore,Moore OK 22
RB Jamar Mozee Blue Springs,Blue Springs MO 72
S Michael Thompson Bristow,Bristow OK 42
DE David Jones Pauls Valley,Pauls Valley OK UR
DE Torrance Marshall Kemper Military,Boonville MO UR

[BASSooner]

texas didnt even want derrick strait

[Hella Sideburns]

How do you not bold Strait, he had the highest VORP of anyone on that list

[okienole3]

How do you not bold Strait, he had the highest VORP of anyone on that list

Fixed. I meant too.

Notice how many guys are out of position, misspelling by rivals, etc...

[IronSooner]

The whole thing about recruiting rankings is that they try to measure potential. The kids they rank generally have the potential to be great. Doesn't mean they will be. Other kids ranked lower or not at all can outwork them and outshine. It's just a starting point, no reason to get hung up over it. Potential = ain't done **** yet.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

plus one other item - how did they rate the kid? one film? ton of film? personally? was he injured? did he have a good game? is he a WR on a running team? its amazing how much they put into the AA game.

clayton slipped through the radar because he was on a team with another highly touted kid that played the same position (the woolfolk syndrome).

[okienole3]

plus one other item - how did they rate the kid? one film? ton of film? personally? was he injured? did he have a good game? is he a WR on a running team? its amazing how much they put into the AA game.

clayton slipped through the radar because he was on a team with another highly touted kid that played the same position (the woolfolk syndrome).

what happened to those other two dudes?

[Soonerfan1993]

My Reply:

In the 2005-2006 Rivals Recruiting Yearbook they have the Top 10 Teams who finished with the highest avg rank in the recruiting classes from 1995-2005 all but Georgia won a National Championship. There is some very interesting stuff in the list for people who say Recruiting Rankings mean Jack SHEAT.

Rivals didn't come around till 1998 so the 1995-1997 rankings are from National Recruiting Advisory(What Bobby Burton used to run) 1998-2005 are Rivals.

Here are the Top 10 Rankings there average Recruiting Rank over 10 years and each of there Winning Percentage


1995-2005
01t. Tennessee 7 Avg Rank 101-25 80% or a 9-2 avg season 1 NC
01t. Florida State 7 Avg Rank 102-23 82% or a 9-2 avg season 1 NC
03t. Michigan 8 Avg Rank 95-29 77% or a 8-3 avg season 1 NC
03t. Miami 8 Avg Rank 95-26 79% or a 9-2 avg season 1 NC
05t. Texas 9 Avg Rank 92-33-1 73% or a 8-3 avg season 1 NC
05t. Southern Cal 9 Avg Rank 82-40-1 67% or a 7-4 avg season 2 NC
07. LSU 10 Avg Rank 81-40-1 66% or a 7-4 avg season 1 NC
08. Ohio State 11 Avg Rank 97-28 77% or a 8-3 avg season 1 NC
09. Florida 12 Avg Rank 96-30-1 76% or a 8-3 avg season 1 NC
10. Georgia 13 Avg Rank 88-35 72% or a 8-3 avg season


The only teams that won National Championships in that timespan that weren't in the Top 10 over 10 years worth of recruiting were Nebraska 1995, 1997 Split, and Oklahoma 2000.

10 out of 13 NC came from the Top 9 Highest Avg Recruiting Ranking Teams. Also those teams were really good winning programs in BCS confrences over that timespan.

[Soonerfan1993]

So my conclusion based off of Facts pointed out on my previous post if you consistently get Top 5 to Top 10 classes every year for a long period of time you will not only have a very good winning program but you will eventually break through with a National Championship.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

looking at your list, i'd conclude that being a "traditional power" or a school in a high density area of talent is what matters.

[Scott D]

yeah that list is only slightly full of said 'traditional power' programs.

[Doged]

Tons of ways to read those numbers. I'd say 50% of the NC's went to schools with "top 5 classes" and 50% did not. Blue chip recruits are nice and all, but I'd guess a 50% success rate is probably about right for them. Half of 'em do well and half of 'em never pan out. Again, that's just a SWAG.

That said, some of the ones that do pan out turn out to be amazing players at the college level.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

recruiting rankings rely on the fact that as an aggregate, the traditional powers tend to be towards the top. this is because these teams tend to land some high profile athletes that the services can easily discern as being "special". the problem is that there is a more than good chance that the "special" guy isn't what makes the team win.

lets take our 2000 class for example - the big names were sims, jammal brown, chretien, vernon maxwell and will peoples. these were followed by our last second recruiting steals of works and ronbrose jones.

did they make that class or did the also rans of clayton, cody, perkins, and teddy lehman? how about had brown not switched from his recruiting service position of DT to his final position of OT?

this class was ranked in the 20's yet even by their own suckified barometer of accuracy, the nfl draft, it had 6 guys drafted.

the 2001 class? ugh. yes our top player, harris, was a draft pick, but i'm less than thrilled with this whole 3 and done crap. however, the rest of it sans our collegiate transfers wasn't what i would call "great".

as a side note, did anyone catch that gundy is going the eddie sutton route for football? give us your masses...

[NormanPride]

Our Gundy or Pokie State's Gundy?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

pokie state's

they pulled in chris collins last year. he was one of the top players in texas (and a texas commit) a couple of years ago before he was busted for raping a 12 year old girl. quietly, he is at pokie state.

[Soonerfan1993]

The 2000 class was ranked 13th by Rivals...and if you notice in the 1999-2001 classes FOR EVERY TEAM they gave out A LOT MORE 2 and 1 Stars then Today......The Average Star in the 1999-2001 Team Rankings for Every Team are Way Down Compared to Today if ALL YOU ARE IS CONCERNED WITH RANKINGS.

As for the poster who said ohh half the teams won the national championship not ranked in the Top 5, and half the teams won a national championship with 5 straight Top 5 classes.. #1 You are wrong on Both Accounts, #2 It was the teams who had the Highest Culmaltive Team Recruiting Ranking 1-10 over 10 years wierd how nearly 80% of the National Championships comprehmised that recruiting list HUH, There is a Reason 80% of the National Champions don't pull in 2 and 3 star recruits 25 full every class and you guys seemed ****ed Off about it and are making Excuses for about 95% of it...

OU has had 2 Sleepers make it into the NFL out of about 15+ or So 2 star slepers Mark Clayton/Teddy Lehman.

Derrick Strait I wouldn't call a sleeper, neither would I call Dan Cody, or Antonio Perkins. They were both 3 stars in a era where they gave out far fewer 3 and 4 stars.

[Soonerfan1993]

Here is Harry BeanBags Link to the 2000 Recruiting Class Notice the Date at the Top of the Page is 14 1/2 Months Past 2000 Recruiting Class Signing Day so the Ranking is Accurate.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010414015425/rivals100.rivals.com/default.asp?p=6&y=2000&sp=1&cs=1.1.1.71.24

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

OU has had 2 Sleepers make it into the NFL out of about 15+ or So 2 star slepers Mark Clayton/Teddy Lehman.

Derrick Strait I wouldn't call a sleeper, neither would I call Dan Cody, or Antonio Perkins. They were both 3 stars in a era where they gave out far fewer 3 and 4 stars.

um, you have that backwards. rivals gave out 4 stars like candy until 2002. the only way someone was a 1 star was if they didn't know who they were.

[Soonerfan1993]

WAY WRONG....

There is no way Teddy Lehman or Mark Clayton would be 2 stars today coming out of HS. #1 Mark was a Top 100 Texas Kid and there isn't 1 2 star Top 100 Texas Kid now a days. #2 Brandon Crow is a 3 star and there is no way Teddy would be a 2 star.


Further more proving you are wrong..

Average Star Ranking-You are Way off Once Again...

2001-2006
01.1. 3.71
02.1. 4.09

2001-2006
01. 2. 3.64
02. 2. 3.96

2001-2006
01. 3. 3.42
02. 3. 3.89

2001-2006
01. 4. 3.39
02. 4. 3.79

2001-2006
01. 5. 3.32
02. 5. 3.75

2001-2006
01. 6. 3.30
02. 6. 3.65

2001-2006
01. 7. 3.26
02. 7. 3.62

2001-2006
01. 8. 3.21
02. 8. 3.58

2001-2006
01. 9. 3.18
02. 9. 3.56

2001-2006
01. 10. 3.17
02. 10 3.55

3 Stars
2001-2006
01. 1. 12
02. 1. 20

2001-2006
01. 2. 11
02. 2. 19

2001-2006
01. 3. 11
02. 3. 16.

2001-2006
01. 4. 11
02. 4. 16

2001-2006
01. 5. 10
02. 5. 15

2001-2006
01. 6. 10
02. 6. 14

2001-2006
01. 7. 10
02. 7. 14

2001-2006
01. 8. 10
02. 8. 14

2001-2006
01. 9. 9
02. 9. 13

2001-2006
01. 10. 9
02. 10. 13


4 Stars
2001-2006
01. 1. 11
02. 1. 18

2001-20 06
01. 2. 11
02. 2. 16

2001-2006
01. 3. 10
02. 3. 15

2001-2006
01. 4. 9
02. 4. 15

2001-2006
01. 5. 9
02. 5. 15

2001-2006
01. 6. 8
02. 6. 14

2001-2006
01. 7. 8
02. 7. 14

2001-2006
01. 8. 7
02. 8. 13

2001-2006
01. 9. 7
02. 9. 12

2001-2006
01. 10. 7
02. 10. 12

You are Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong....Next

[Soonerfan1993]

um, you have that backwards. rivals gave out 4 stars like candy until 2002. the only way someone was a 1 star was if they didn't know who they were.

From 2001 to 2002
57 more 4 stars in the Top 10 teams
51 more 3 Stars in the Top 10 teams

I'm waiting for your reply JKM...Peace

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

mark clayton was NOT a top 100 texas recruit. he wasn't even in websider's top 130

Rank Pos. Player Hometown Ht. Wt. 40 Schools
1 WR B.J. Johnson Grand Prairie 6'0" 180 4.4 Signed with Texas
2 WR Roy Williams Odessa 6'3" 195 4.5 Signed with Texas
3 WR Sloan Thomas Klein 6'3" 189 4.4 Signed with Texas
4 WR Will Peoples Humble 6'1" 185 4.5 Signed with Oklahoma
5 WR Emmanuel Franklin Houston 6'0" 185 4.46 Signed with Purdue
6 WR J.T. Thompson Kilgore 5'11" 175 4.4 Signed with Kansas
7 WR Shirdonya Mitchell Arlington 5'10" 184 4.45 Signed with Missouri
8 WR Devard Darling Sugar Land 6'2" 190 4.5 Signed with Florida St.
9 WR Omar Jenkins Dallas 6'3" 185 4.5 Signed with Notre Dame


those were the receivers in the top 100.

[Soonerfan1993]

JKm Thanks...I was wrong on that and thanks for the reply. I was right that they give out a LOT more 3 and 4 stars then they did back in the old days of recruiting.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

From 2001 to 2002
57 more 4 stars in the Top 10 teams
51 more 3 Stars in the Top 10 teams

I'm waiting for your reply JKM...Peace

look, i subscribed to rivals for 5 years. after the 2002 recruiting season (the pickryl class), they dropped the number of 5*s and 4*s they gave out. this was because they were about to go under in 2002 and were trying to appease every fan base to get as many subscriptions as possible. in 2003, with more capital they restricted the numbers they gave out. there were 37 or so 5*s in the pickryl class and have been around 25 since. there were hundreds of 4*s and are limited to pretty much the top 150 now.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

this annual change in philosophy, along with my apathy towards recruiting, was one of the main reasons i stopped subscribing to the site. it was absolutely impossible to compare one year to the next because the factors changed so dramatically. think about it like the "tweaks" to the BCS, crap changed all the time.

one year auburn was ranked #2 because they had 34 recruits. the next year, they changed the formula to one that capped the total amount that you could get from a class.

the weight that grade risk plays into rankings has been changed on nearly an annual basis from none to a lot to everything in between.

[Soonerfan1993]

look, i subscribed to rivals for 5 years. after the 2002 recruiting season (the pickryl class), they dropped the number of 5*s and 4*s they gave out. this was because they were about to go under in 2002 and were trying to appease every fan base to get as many subscriptions as possible. in 2003, with more capital they restricted the numbers they gave out. there were 37 or so 5*s in the pickryl class and have been around 25 since. there were hundreds of 4*s and are limited to pretty much the top 150 now.

It went down by 7-12 in hs but they rate Juco's has 5 stars now and the 4 stars are not the Top 150. In 2006 there are about 400 4 Stars, in 2001 there was less then 40% of that. Same for the 3 stars vs 2001.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

another annoying factoid about rivals...

their spring practice reports were almost exactly opposite of what turned out to be true the following year, especially with regard to line and QB play.

i refuse to sign up for insiders until they force hael to use a spell checker

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

It went down by 7-12 in hs but they rate Juco's has 5 stars now and the 4 stars are not the Top 150. In 2006 there are about 400 4 Stars, in 2001 there was less then 40% of that. Same for the 3 stars vs 2001.

kind of goes with my point about them changing it every year then. i seem to remember them stating that 2*s means you have gotten a D1 offer. if that's the case, these rankings have to be dealt with on a scale of 4, not 5, which further depreciates the rankings and their historical context.

[RedStripe]

2002 Rivals had around 415 4*'s
2006 Rivals had around 335 4*'s

Thats all recruits HS, Juco, and Prep.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

further proof about the rankings can be seen in daniel tabon - unrated until a month after he commits he goes to a 3 star. brandon crow from a 2 star to a 3 star. by biasing the ratings towards the traditional powers you get a massive self-fulfilling prophecy.

of course, the unwritten rule is that even if tabon was talented enough to be a 5*, there is no way they would rank him that way because it would beg to many questions. you bump him to a 3* which makes everyone happy.

[LSUdeek]

how about Spears at TE......heh?

Saban told him DE's make $4M vs TE's making 1.5.. Good move IMO.

[LSUdeek]

3 TE Marcus Spears Baton Rouge, LA 6'5" 270 4.6 Signed with Louisiana State
14 WR Michael Clayton Baton Rouge, LA 6'2" 200 4.5 Signed with Louisiana State
15 DT Marquise Hill New Orleans, LA 6'8" 300 5.2 Signed with Louisiana State
18 OL Ben Wilkerson Hemphill, TX 6'4" 265 4.8 Signed with Louisiana State
39 OL Andrew Whitworth West Monroe, LA 6'7" 300 4.9 Signed with Louisiana State

Along with Chad Lavalais at DT, these are the cornerstones of LSU's 2003 National Championship season. Recruiting isn't important????

[User Name]

i refuse to sign up for insiders until they force hael to use a spell checker

That's funny. Sutble, but funny.

[Harry Beanbag]

That's funny. Sutble, but funny.


James?

[Mjcpr]

I read somewhere that osu has 11 Texas Top 100 kids committed and we have 8.

Somehow, they're having a good recruiting year.

[Harry Beanbag]

I read somewhere that osu has 11 Texas Top 100 kids committed and we have 8.

Somehow, they're having a good recruiting year.


They have 10 and we have 9. A&M only has 11.

http://oklahoma.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2006&School=82&Sport=1

[Soonerfan1993]

The diffrence is that Oklahoma gets better players out of Texas then OKST and A&M overall every year.