OK from a PRO

[85Sooner]

now don't neg spek me over this OK?

I have a customer, I won't name names. Who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years. He IS a QB coach and has quite a record.

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.

Anyway we got to talking and he stated that OU has a big problem.
I naturally incurred where?

He basically stated that our QB was and will not develope much more than he currently has and that he is more talk than skill. He did mention he is tough, but that it takes more than a blockhead (my word)to be successful at this level.

anyway. most of you know I am not a true believer YET. I do have familial contacts in the program but won't say what I am hearing because I don;t want to get into arguements that I cannot defend due to confidentiallity.

Anyway just a report from an interested observer.

I hope he is wrong. we shall see soon enough. NM

[NickZeppelin]

Bomar definatly improved over the season. I'm not ready to say he'll be a star either. But I think it'll all depend on how the line protects him. He showed he can make all the throws and decisions. He also showed he can make some dumb decisions even late in the year.

[OUGreg723]

He is wrong....

How is Bomar in anyway a Blockhead? 4.0 GPA, great athelete, leader, great coaching staff, great team, loads of potential. Your friend is obviously a horn fan.

It seems that other coaches around the country seem to think otherwise of Rhett. Oh well, whatever. We'll see who is right when Rhett is kissing crystal.

[Octavian]

wow...Nick is the more positive opinion in this thread. Take a picture...


now don't neg me over this, OK?

The first rule of spek is.....

I wont pull the trigger though ;)

[Big Red Ron]

Bomar is a better Freshman than VY and Jason White and Chris Simms. The dude is a homer messing w?your brain.

[Texas Golfer]

I hope he is wrong.

Well, then. This is your lucky day. He is wrong.

[TheGodfather889]

I think he is wrong.I think Rhett will win here at OU and win alot of games.He may even win a National Championship.

[85Sooner]

He is wrong....

How is Bomar in anyway a Blockhead? 4.0 GPA, great athelete, leader, great coaching staff, great team, loads of potential. Your friend is obviously a horn fan.

It seems that other coaches around the country seem to think otherwise of Rhett. Oh well, whatever. We'll see who is right when Rhett is kissing crystal.


He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.

[Big Red Ron]

He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.Homerism is a powerful thing besides you're some nobody (no offense) but what does he care about messing with your head. I doubt he'd say that on TV.

[bigdsooner]

he's just blowin smoke cause his b1tches are gonna get their azzes kicked in october and bomar is gonna be responsible

[Octavian]

besides...you're some nobody

anyone need a sig? :texan:

[BOOMERBRADLEY]

I wouldn't trust any Texas fan unless they were immediate family.

[OUGreg723]

He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.

Yeah, I'm not knocking him. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about. But, he does'nt work with Rhett everyday or coach him, and has most likely not watched a ton of film on the kid.

I mean, how can he really say that when he played as a redshirt freshman and made tremendous leaps and bounds all year. I think he showed alot of maturity and character. What do I know though, I'm just an 18 year old punk kid and he is an NFL coach. But in my opinion, which is held by everyone close to the program, most opposing coaches who have faced Rhett, most of the media, and everyone on this board, is that he is going to be great. I don't know what your friend is looking at, but I just don't see it.

If he's only seen the Texas and Tulsa games I'm sure he must think he is a POS. But how can he honestly say that this kid can't get any better. What's his reason? I'd really like to know. Seriously.

thanks

-ougreg

[jacru]

He IS an NFL coach ... I'll trust the guy
1) NFL coaches aren't infallible, no matter how experienced.
2) Never fully trust a whorn.
3) Many other experienced, credible people disagree.

I'm with Alfred E. Neuman. "What, me worry?"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Alfred.jpg

[85Sooner]

I am not him but you have to realize that these coaches at this level ar saturated in watching these kids. Again, we will see. I didn't mean to start a debate that frankly none of us are qualified to engage in .( thats the way I felt talking with the coach ) he was able to spew more infor in two minutes than I have ever seen on this board but he sure seened to know what he was talkin about.

[Octavian]

sounds like you kinda have a thing for the guy...

[usmc-sooner]

they had a pro scout on the radio who thought he had the most potential of any QB as freshman.

[CatfishSooner]

'tis BS...

[XingTheRubicon]

Elway looked like a strong-armed ninny as a freshman for Stanford. Then he tore it up from then on.

Bomar is tough.
Bomar is smart.
Bomar has a serious arm.

He may be great, he may be average, but to predict either at this point is a waste of time.

[Collier11]

Im pretty confident that this guy has probably never broken down film with or of rhett bomar, jason white said bomar is amazing at braking down film and grasping things. And im pretty confident that your buddy has probably never watched more than a couple full OU games in person with bomar at qb

[BOOMERBRADLEY]

Im pretty sure I am done with this thread.

Yup....I am

[picasso]

He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.
you know NFL coaches have let players like Brett Favre go to other teams too.

I'm still dumbfounded by people who don't think Bomar has any sort of upside.

[Collier11]

Bomar legitimately has the ability and work ethic to be brett farve or he could be jeff george or he could be some punk who doesnt grasp the oppurtunity. He has all the ability to be as good as he wants to be, Lets trust him to create his own legacy cause from what ive seen and heard, he is only going to get better according to those who know him and see him everyday

[ucosooner]

I have a cousin who's girlfriend's brother works at Academy. Apparently they ran out of socks. He said the store manager was telling everyone to make emergency plans because Academy might go under.

[jbstrick]

He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.

Dosent mean crap. No one would have given Vince Young a second look untill this year. For some reason VY was able to but all of those intangables together in a winning package. Likewise, who would have believed Jason White would have turned things around?

If this is true. This 'NFL' coach should have a 100% success rate with QB's.

[Collier11]

my source from the zoo said that the hippos arent even all that hungry hungry

[Jimminy Crimson]

So was this coach 'just looking'? :texan:

[NickZeppelin]

Elway looked like a strong-armed ninny as a freshman for Stanford. Then he tore it up from then on.


You do realize that Elway never played in a Bowl game at Stanford do you?

[Seamus]

I am not him but you have to realize that these coaches at this level ar saturated in watching these kids. Again, we will see. I didn't mean to start a debate that frankly none of us are qualified to engage in .( thats the way I felt talking with the coach ) he was able to spew more infor in two minutes than I have ever seen on this board but he sure seened to know what he was talkin about.


So, how is the air inside his jock? :mack:

[westcoast_sooner]

Only time will tell if your friend is right or if Coach Stoops is. Remember, during the first 3 games this season, Bomar was a train wreck. He got a little better every week, and little by little he became pretty good.

He still has a lot of work to do. If he's still making the same mistakes at the end of next season, after a year of working with our new QB coach, then maybe he's not the second coming of Joe Montana. But I think he'll be better next year and will just continue to grow.

[Sooner in Tampa]

The dude gave you his opinon...and we all know what opinons are like :D

Rhett has just completed his first year as a starter...there is not a coach on the planet that can predict the future. If Rhett continues to work hard and do all of the right things he will progress. Unless this guy is clairovoyant (sp?) he is full of ****. Never underestimate the power of homerism.

[Okieflyer]

That he was a Longhorns fan, gives him ZERO creditably.:rolleyes:

[User Name]

you know NFL coaches have let players like Brett Favre go to other teams too.

I agree. Some also draft Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick after watching hours of film and conducting multiple interviews, tests, etc.

[Sooner_Bob]

Let's see how he does as a student of Josh Heupel before we go sayin' the kid has peaked.

[OU-HSV]

.....I have a customer, I won't name names. Who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years. He IS a QB coach and has quite a record.

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.
Anyway we got to talking and he stated that OU has a big problem....
Holy crap batman...a longhorn fan that lives in Austin and likes to talk bad about OU! 85 I would ignore this jackass..even if he is an NFL QB coach, he's not Rhett's QB coach nor is he Rhett's head coach. As a Sooner fan I'm going to put my trust in Bob Stoops and staff to figure out whether Rhett will develop more. We all saw him improve midway through the season through the Holiday bowl, and we'll know in due time if he's continued his improvement.

[soonersam]

i have a friend who went to a nfl game once and he thinks texas sucks..

[The Consumate Showman]

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong......

[soonernation]

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.


I quit paying attention to what this guy had to say after this part.

[sooneriniowa]

I had a guy tell me I was the next BIG thing in the porn industry, too bad I turned out to be 3 pumps and a grind

This bothered me the most out of all the posts....:D

Bomar has shown more upswing than any of our QB's over the last 5 years.
I know that sounds bad but everyone has their own opinion.

[start8]

These are probably the same coaches that would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady everytime...I on the otherhand would take the one that delivers when the pressure is on.

I really think I might hate Peyton Manning and the media lovefeast every season-Peyton is the greatest QB ever...blah blah....um no, the greatest QB ever wouldn't choke everytime it mattered and then blame everyone but himself.

At least Bomar admits he was bad in the beginning and got better and doesn't tell everyone that he sucked because he had no oline, no RB, and freshman WR-all of which would have been true and legit excuses.

I know this about Bomar, at the beginning of the year I dreaded passes and know I expect Bomar to lead a TD drive to seal a win because that's what he has proven he can do-that and throw a mean spike

[SoDakSooner]

now don't neg spek me over this OK?

I have a customer, I won't name names. Who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years. He IS a QB coach and has quite a record.

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.

Anyway we got to talking and he stated that OU has a big problem.
I naturally incurred where?

He basically stated that our QB was and will not develope much more than he currently has and that he is more talk than skill. He did mention he is tough, but that it takes more than a blockhead (my word)to be successful at this level.

anyway. most of you know I am not a true believer YET. I do have familial contacts in the program but won't say what I am hearing because I don;t want to get into arguements that I cannot defend due to confidentiallity.

Anyway just a report from an interested observer.

I hope he is wrong. we shall see soon enough. NM85, thanks for the post. Most of us appreciate any information about our favorite team. Hope your customer is way wrong but we shall see.

[C&CDean]

Why did this thread get started on LHT? Consider this a warning Sooner85. Also, we don't give a **** what some dude from Austin thinks about our QB. If you're stupid enough to "trust" him, I feel sorry for you.

[OUinFLA]

i have a friend who went to a nfl game once and he thinks texas sucks..

Ive never been to an NFL game, but I agree with your friend''s thinking..

[RooseveltRoughRider]

I think Rhett will win games, but I think the only way Bomar kisses Crystal is if Stoops brings in a new QB that takes his job. Just my opinion. And realistically...if AD went down right now and was out for the season...would Rhett be able to lead the Sooners to victory? From what I have seen, I have seen sparks of greatness, but not a single sign of dominance. Rhett needs to be able to destroy an opponent or at least beat them convinvingly. And be able to do it without AD before I will say he will be "kissing crystal". I'm not being pessimistic, but has he really earned that kind of confidence from everyone yet???

[RooseveltRoughRider]

And you do have to ask the question...Did Rhett REALLY get better, or did OU's schedule get easier towards the end. OU had the most treacherous 1st half schedule in the country. Look at who the Sooners played the 1st half, and then look at the teams they played the 2nd half. Big difference.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Can't comment on Bomar's ability as I was and still am a fat lineman, but I think he has more talent and mechanics than the savior of Austin, VY...

[Big Red Ron]

And you do have to ask the question...Did Rhett REALLY get better, or did OU's schedule get easier towards the end. OU had the most treacherous 1st half schedule in the country. Look at who the Sooners played the 1st half, and then look at the teams they played the 2nd half. Big difference.Yeah, that pansy Texas Tech team on the road was way easier than Tulsa at home. Forgttabout that weak *** PAC 10 Oregon squad in the Holiday Bowl (where Rhett was MVP) Baylor would have crushed them.

Dumbass.

[BoonesFarmSooner]

NFL Scouts also loved:

Rick Mirer
Ryan Leaf
Dan McGuire
Heath Shuler

The list goes on and on....

Being an NFL scout don't make you right.

Who in the hell does he think he is?

[Sooner in Tampa]

I am not an NFL Scout...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express and I am pretty sure that Sexat sucks ***.

[RooseveltRoughRider]

Ron...defeating mediocre teams in overtime or by a touchdown or less..at the END of the season is not gonna win Championships. There is no way you can get me to believe that Bomar is on the level of White or Huepel. All I am saying is I have not seen anything convincing from him. And who cares if Bomar got MVP vs. Oregon. If you think for a minute that Adrian Peterson was not the REAL MVP of that Oregon game you are mistaken. Without him that game would have been an "L" and you know it.

And the Tulsa team you speak of DID win their conference...
the TCU team you fail to mention also won their conference and barely missed the BCS...
We know what Texas did...
We know what UCLA did..


there is no comparison to the first half and the 2nd half in my opinion. But if that results in you calling me a dumbass then so be it. I'll be a dumbass, a realistic one.

[Big Red Ron]

Ron...defeating mediocre teams in overtime or by a touchdown or less..at the END of the season is not gonna win Championships. There is no way you can get me to believe that Bomar is on the level of White or Huepel. All I am saying is I have not seen anything convincing from him. And who cares if Bomar got MVP vs. Oregon. If you think for a minute that Adrian Peterson was not the REAL MVP of that Oregon game you are mistaken. Without him that game would have been an "L" and you know it.

And the Tulsa team you speak of DID win their conference...
the TCU team you fail to mention also won their conference and barely missed the BCS...
We know what Texas did...
We know what UCLA did..


there is no comparison to the first half and the 2nd half in my opinion. But if that results in you calling me a dumbass then so be it. I'll be a dumbass, a realistic one.We did BEAT TULSA, right? We almost beat TCU and Bomar didn't play, check? Baylor wasn't at the end of the season. You failed to refer to the TT game which was the toughest game of the year after UT. UCLA was BOMAR's first start, I'll give him a little slack, k?

Ad was held under 100 yards in the Holiday Bowl and Rhett was on target and sharp. Whatever, Rhett won the MVP.

Do you remember White as a redshirt freshman? Shakey at best but he did have a few flashes. However, he never had the arm that Bomar was born with.

In case you forgot because you're some kind of bandwagoner Heupel was never a fresh., redshir freshman, or sophmore at OU. compare the two in another TWO season.

[picasso]

Ron...defeating mediocre teams in overtime or by a touchdown or less..at the END of the season is not gonna win Championships. There is no way you can get me to believe that Bomar is on the level of White or Huepel. All I am saying is I have not seen anything convincing from him. And who cares if Bomar got MVP vs. Oregon. If you think for a minute that Adrian Peterson was not the REAL MVP of that Oregon game you are mistaken. Without him that game would have been an "L" and you know it.

And the Tulsa team you speak of DID win their conference...
the TCU team you fail to mention also won their conference and barely missed the BCS...
We know what Texas did...
We know what UCLA did..


there is no comparison to the first half and the 2nd half in my opinion. But if that results in you calling me a dumbass then so be it. I'll be a dumbass, a realistic one.

what the hell? did you see any of the throws or reads Bomar made against oSu and Oregon? my lord I wonder about some people.
do you think Bomar would have better numbers out of the spread? we'll soon find out.

[Taxman71]

Two points:

1. Even NFL talent scouts are wrong. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder and has 3 rings (even though I can't stand him, he is an excellent QB). Compare this to Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, etc.
2. By the end of his freshman season, Bomar showed the skills necessary to lead this team against anybody...provided we have a run game. He cannot "take over" like Vince Young (who can?), but is very accurate, has a strong arm and can run.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

1) NFL coaches aren't infallible, no matter how experienced.
2) Never fully trust a whorn.
3) Many other experienced, credible people disagree.

I'm with Alfred E. Neuman. "What, me worry?"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Alfred.jpgYeah, we will know soon enough. Besides, if he screws up badly, we now have 3 backups, and can always sign a stud next year, if we have to.

[Soonerborn77]

I am not him but you have to realize that these coaches at this level ar saturated in watching these kids. Again, we will see. I didn't mean to start a debate that frankly none of us are qualified to engage in .( thats the way I felt talking with the coach ) he was able to spew more infor in two minutes than I have ever seen on this board but he sure seened to know what he was talkin about.


yea cuz coaches are never wrong right? how did Tom Brady get picked up in the 5th round, seems to me every nfl coach dropped the ball on that one.

Also wasn't Ron Powlus the next Montana according to all the big time coaches?

I'm sure this same coaching friend of yours says that VY is a better passing qb then Leinart because he has a higher passer rating too.....

[picasso]

and Roosey, you might want to look back at our last game of the 2000 season.

[XingTheRubicon]

You do realize that Elway never played in a Bowl game at Stanford do you?

In fairness to John, his surrounding cast was lacking...

He beat OU in Norman and looked like a pro QB from his Sophomore season on. That's probably why he was the 1st overall pick by the Colts in '83. In all fairness to you, nick, this was a little before your time.

[NickZeppelin]

In fairness to John, his surrounding cast was lacking...

He beat OU in Norman and looked like a pro QB from his Sophomore season on. That's probably why he was the 1st overall pick by the Colts in '83. In all fairness to you, nick, this was a little before your time.

Jim Plunkett won bowls at that same school did he not?

Comparing Bomar to any NFL great is kinda dumb. You can't really compare him with Elway in college either though. We don't know for sure if Bomar is a good college QB yet.

[Big Red Ron]

Jim Plunkett won bowls at that same school did he not?

Comparing Bomar to any NFL great is kinda dumb. You can't really compare him with Elway in college either though. We don't know for sure if Bomar is a good college QB yet.Actually we do know he is a good QB. The question is will he be great.

[RooseveltRoughRider]

There is no question about whether Rhett is gifted and talented. That is obvious. My doubt, and you know...it's probably not even his fault..but maybe I am holding him accountable because he is the QB...my doubt is in the teams ability to dominate. I just haven't seen it, and I need to see something that resembles domination, before I can dream about crystal balls. Given these Sooners were dealt a shorter hand than the teams of the last few years...but aside from the Aggie game, there was not a single dominating game this season. I have never seen that since the 90's...that's why I am concerned.

[Big Red Ron]

Oklahoma quarterback and Offensive MVP Rhett Bomar began the Sooner comeback by directing a four play, 53 yard drive that ended in a 17 yard touchdown pass to fullback J.D. Runnels. Bomar, who finished the game 17 of 30 for 229 passing yards with one touchdown pass, led the Sooners to another touchdown on their next possession to give Oklahoma a 17-7 lead late in the third quarter.
Not too shabby for a freshman playing in his first bowl game against a team from a leauge that is known for passing O and D.

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

now don't neg spek me over this OK?

I have a customer, I won't name names. Who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years. He IS a QB coach and has quite a record.

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.

Anyway we got to talking and he stated that OU has a big problem.
I naturally incurred where?

He basically stated that our QB was and will not develope much more than he currently has and that he is more talk than skill. He did mention he is tough, but that it takes more than a blockhead (my word)to be successful at this level.

anyway. most of you know I am not a true believer YET. I do have familial contacts in the program but won't say what I am hearing because I don;t want to get into arguements that I cannot defend due to confidentiallity.

Anyway just a report from an interested observer.

I hope he is wrong. we shall see soon enough. NM


I'll note is an an informed opinion but anyone looking threw burnt orange colored glasses is likely to see what they want to see even if they are smart.

I have a friend who has been a pitching coach in AA & AAA for a long time. His knowledge of pitching would rival anyone's in baseball and he has pegged several young players that have since become stars but I still remember a conversation with him a few years back when the Cardinals signed Chris Carpenter and he told me it was a mistake because Carpenter is done.

I don't know how anyone objectively can look at Bomar this year and not say that he doesn't at least have the potential to be great. From the Tulsa game where we didn't throw in the second half (although the O-line had as much as Bomar to do with that) to being very good in the OSU and Oregon games. Even his biggest critics would have to concede that Bomar is tough, fast, smart and has a strong arm. I think for a freshman he showed some good leadership to. Some things in his game will improve from repetition, learning from past mistakes, another year in the weight room, etc.

I don't know that I'll predict a Heisman next year but someone give the list of fresh and Soph QBs that were superior to Bomar at the end of the year. For that matter what the numbers were of White, Heupel, Hybl and any other QB going back to the wishbone days as a freshman. Heupel and Hybl wern't even on the team as freshman. Cale Gundy is the only other QB in 17-18 years to see the field much as a freshman.

Now if your friend were to argue that Bomar's development as a pro prospect might be slower if OU runs an offense oriented around the zone read, QB runs,etc. I might buy that a little (see VY) but Bomar also fits that offense very well so he is an ideal dual threat QB in my book.

Honestly my only concern with Bomar is that he takes 1-2 too many hits and missing time or he hurts a knee or ankle limiting his mobility. If he and AD are both 100% at the start of next year look out.

[Soonrboy]

I really don't care if he's going to be a good pro quarterback. It will be nice for him and definitely will cheer for him...however, I just want him to be a really good college QB

[Tear Down This Wall]

Look, here's the deal...'Horn fans are so giddy about their 36 year draught ending, they'll say stupid things - no matter how long they've been in the NFL.

The truth is just this: Mack Brown would trade all of his QBs right now for Bomar. He'll have to settle for a handshake after Bomar gives him an asswhipping this year...and in 2007...and in 2008.

[XingTheRubicon]

Jim Plunkett won bowls at that same school did he not?

Comparing Bomar to any NFL great is kinda dumb. You can't really compare him with Elway in college either though. We don't know for sure if Bomar is a good college QB yet.

You posted that Elway never played in a bowl as if to say, "Elway was not that great in college."

My point was Elway was a GREAT college QB that went on to be a HOF'er in the NFL that also sucked when he played as a freshman.

and if you're stating that Jim Plunkett was a better college QB than Elway because of a bowl win, then we can stop right here.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Look, here's the deal...'Horn fans are so giddy about their 36 year draught ending, they'll say stupid things - no matter how long they've been in the NFL.

The truth is just this: Mack Brown would trade all of his QBs right now for Bomar. He'll have to settle for a handshake after Bomar gives him an asswhipping this year...and in 2007...and in 2008.YEAH,BABY!!!

[soonerboy_odanorth]

Pshhhhtttt....

Who cares? This "quater" century "very successful" NFL QB coach hasn't coached every pro-bowl QB in the last "quater" century... nor has he coached every Super Bowl winning QB in the last "quater" century... and I'm willing to bet my house that in the last "quater" century of his coaching NFL QB's, not all of the QB's that HE has been responsible for evaluating and acquiring through the draft or free agency have been unqualified successes.

Please...

Let me put it a different way:

Q: What do Steve Davis, Thomas Lott, JC Watts, Danny Bradley, Jamelle Hollieway, Josh Heupel, Nate Hybl, and Jason White all have in common?

A: They were all good to really good COLLEGE quarterbacks who enabled us to compete for and/or win conference and/or national championships in their respective times at OU.

And that's just what we need Rhett to do. He doesn't need to progress to "Elway" greatness. (Besides beating our butts one rainy day in Norman, remind me again how many championships Elway guided his Stanford team to...)

This blowhard Texas-turd 'tard ain't got all the answers or he would be at least an offensive coordinator, if not a head coach, after his "quater" century of uber-success. (Looking at this year's crop of "Who?" hires in the NFL is all the proof one needs, '85.) And how much of this supposed success that he has had is him or the athlete? Even I could have coached John-friggin'-Elway to a moderate amount of success...

All we need is for Rhett to be a good to very good college qb. And IMHO by the end of his FRESHMAN year he had pretty much made it to good. As long as his ego and personality never become divisive and he is able to continue to wear the mantle of "leader"... Well, I like our chances.

Please do me a favor: The next time you work with Captain QB Coach, tell him that he can kiss OUr collective arses!

[NickZeppelin]

You posted that Elway never played in a bowl as if to say, "Elway was not that great in college."

My point was Elway was a GREAT college QB that went on to be a HOF'er in the NFL that also sucked when he played as a freshman.

and if you're stating that Jim Plunkett was a better college QB than Elway because of a bowl win, then we can stop right here.

l believe Plunket won atleast 2 Rose Bowls didn't he?

[C&CDean]

Nick.

Stop.

Now.

You do not have an argument here. At all. John Elway's turds were better QBs than Jim Plunkett. Bowl games be damned.

[FlatheadSooner]

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.

Nuff said. ;)


He basically stated that our QB was and will not develope much more than he currently has and that he is more talk than skill.

No one can say this with any confidence. As a freshman starter, with a weak OL and toughest schedule in the country, there's no way but up. :rolleyes:

Also, one can only judge by performance and, although the curve was bumpy, the long-term trend was definately up on all levels - wins, stats, confidence, maturity. Based on this actual data, predictions should remain Very Positive Outlook.

[rainiersooner]

I didn't mean to start a debate that frankly none of us are qualified to engage in .

Than why did you? Here are his game stats on the season. From the Texas game onwards, there was significant improvement in yards passed, if you discount the tech and nebraska games both of which were played in windy conditions that favored the run. His average completion over the season showed marginal improvement. Personally, I think his intangibles and his leadership skills showed tremendous improvement.

C/ATT % YDS AVG TD INT
Tulsa 5/13 38% 42 3.2 0 2
UCLA 20/29 69% 241 8.3 0 0
KSU 12/22 54% 139 6.3 1 0
Texas 12/33 36% 94 2.8 1 1
Kansas 16/31 51% 206 6.6 1 2
Baylor 24/42 57% 269 6.4 1 2
Nebraska 14/28 50% 157 5.6 0 0
A&M 20/28 71% 298 10.6 1 1
T Tech 12/26 46% 118 4.5 1 0
OSU 13/21 61% 206 9.8 3 1
Oregon 17/30 56% 229 7.6 1 1

[SouthFortySooner]

Anyone who's ever hit the sweet spot of a golf ball or the bullseye in tournament archery knows what I feel about Rhett's ability.

He has done it on the field and will continue to do more and more as the years go by. I say Heisman and Crystal Ball.

And one reason will be he won't have to beat out PT's feelins this fall.

[Partial Qualifier]

The dude gave you his opinon...and we all know what opinons are like :D

Rhett has just completed his first year as a starter...there is not a coach on the planet that can predict the future. If Rhett continues to work hard and do all of the right things he will progress. Unless this guy is clairovoyant (sp?) he is full of ****. Never underestimate the power of homerism.

My thoughts exactly, plus how much time would an NFL coach have to break down a college freshman's game? What does he base it on, the 15 total minutes of Bomar highlights he's seen on on ESPN over the past year? Give me a break. This thread is dumb.

[Partial Qualifier]

And anyone who discounts Bomar's performance behind the 2nd-worst OL we've EVER had is a straight-up fool. Considering the circumstances of 2005, Bomar was nothing short of spectactular.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Plunkett was pure greatness just for choosing not to go to hippie-infested Berkeley:

"Wanting to stay near home and attend a university with strong academics, Plunkett selected Stanford over California, in part because the radical political environment in Berkeley could be hard on athletes."

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Plunkett_Jim.html

[soonersam]

now don't neg spek me over this OK?

I have a customer, I won't name names. Who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years. He IS a QB coach and has quite a record.

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.

Anyway we got to talking and he stated that OU has a big problem.
I naturally incurred where?

He basically stated that our QB was and will not develope much more than he currently has and that he is more talk than skill. He did mention he is tough, but that it takes more than a blockhead (my word)to be successful at this level.

anyway. most of you know I am not a true believer YET. I do have familial contacts in the program but won't say what I am hearing because I don;t want to get into arguements that I cannot defend due to confidentiallity.

Anyway just a report from an interested observer.

I hope he is wrong. we shall see soon enough. NM
Oh Yeah.. well I have a friend that didnt like computers then he bought a computer... so there

[NickZeppelin]

And anyone who discounts Bomar's performance behind the 2nd-worst OL we've EVER had is a straight-up fool. Considering the circumstances of 2005, Bomar was nothing short of spectactular.

The OLines in the 90's were worse, the oline in 2001 was worse, I don't know about the olines in the 60's.

[mrowl]

85, FYI...

one of my clients was a QB for Notre Dame in the 80's, and is now in NFL management.

Another one of my clients PLAYS in the NFL, and started at TCU.

You know what they both said about Vince Young AFTER the Big 12 game, and BEFORE the Rose Bowl?

They both thought he sucked. That he could never beat USC, and wouldn't get drafted in the 1st round. NOW, they both agree that they both were wrong.

85, it doesn't matter if you are Bill Parcells, sometimes you judge talent wrong.

[XingTheRubicon]

l believe Plunket won atleast 2 Rose Bowls didn't he?

Does Elway being drafted no 1 overall in '83 draft seem confusing to you?

He was a GREAT college player that struggled mightily as a freshman. Period.



It's not that complicated.

[Partial Qualifier]

The OLines in the 90's were worse, the oline in 2001 was worse, I don't know about the olines in the 60's.

I disagree about the olines in the 90's. That's a pretty broad scope you're talking about, "90's". Name a year where we had something similiar to the attrition crisis we had in 2001 and 2005. There may have been some bad ones, but I never remember an OL meltdown like we had in 01 and 05.

Sorry, but Bomar this year ... the progress he made as a freshman, under very tough circumstances... the toughness.. sorry, I'm not buying into the cynicism regarding Bomar.

[Ban One Sooner]

I have a hard time lending any respect to anything you have to say about Rhett since you spent all last season dogging him just for taking the job from your personal deity, Paul Thompson.

Obviously, you were wrong on a tremendous scale on your opinion of Paul being better than Rhett, and clearly you are grasping at anything you can to try and avoid the inevitable conclusion that you simply don't know what you are talking about.

Why do you take such joy in berating our own OU players? Seriously, are even a Sooner?

[soonerthanu]

I got 20$ that says this QB coach friend customer is watching this board laughing his butt off.

[The Ensuing Kickoff]

Your friend is a butthole.

[OUMallen]

He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.

WTF, seriously...has he hung out with Bomar? All he's done is seen him on TV and is convinced?

[JLB]

85sooner,your pal the NFL QB coach probally thinks VY is the next Joe Montana.
But hey thanks for giving everyone something to talk about.Even if it was BS.

[OU-HSV]

He IS an NFL coach with alot of accolades so be careful there. I don;t think any of us have a quater of a century in coaching much less in the NFL and with Superbowl winning QB's. I'll trust the guy until I see different bro.
I don't know about everyone else on here...but I have a feeling they'll agree. Your threats aren't amusing. We know what your buddy IS, you've mentioned it more than once in all-caps. We also know he's a big horn fan as you've stated, so frankly I don't give a shiite if your buddy IS an NFL coach or not. He is judging Rhett out of place, with a bias opinion (as a whorn fan) and probably with limited analization of Rhett's game playing. And most importantly as C&C Dean said you posted this on LHT..unfortunate move there man, better luck next time.

[sooner518]

why does he live in Austin if hes an NFL coach?

[NickZeppelin]

I disagree about the olines in the 90's. That's a pretty broad scope you're talking about, "90's". Name a year where we had something similiar to the attrition crisis we had in 2001 and 2005. There may have been some bad ones, but I never remember an OL meltdown like we had in 01 and 05.

Sorry, but Bomar this year ... the progress he made as a freshman, under very tough circumstances... the toughness.. sorry, I'm not buying into the cynicism regarding Bomar.
About every offensive line after 1993 was probably worse then the 05 or 01 lines. I'm not even sure the 99 line was all that good. That may have been more the system though.

[SoonerWood]

Screw that coach. I'm sure he thought Vince Young was a wreck after his first year too.

[picasso]

About every offensive line after 1993 was probably worse then the 05 or 01 lines. I'm not even sure the 99 line was all that good. That may have been more the system though.
what were you like 9 back then?

[RooseveltRoughRider]

I disagree about the olines in the 90's. That's a pretty broad scope you're talking about, "90's". Name a year where we had something similiar to the attrition crisis we had in 2001 and 2005. There may have been some bad ones, but I never remember an OL meltdown like we had in 01 and 05.

Sorry, but Bomar this year ... the progress he made as a freshman, under very tough circumstances... the toughness.. sorry, I'm not buying into the cynicism regarding Bomar.

The teams were not even good in the 90's, why would the lines be? Especially if they are the nucleus of any good team. I'd take every line on the 2000's over the ones from the 90's

[Vaevictis]

One of the questions I would have is -- is the guy geared to evaluate talent at the college level? The way I understand it, what qualifies you to be a great QB at the college level is often very, very different than what qualifies you to be a great QB at the NFL level. The things this guy looks for in a QB are likely to be different than what a college coach looks for.

Take Jason White, for example. Nobody with any sense would suggest that he was anything but a great college QB, but it's looking very much like he'll never play a down in the NFL (to our chagrin).

Without specifically knowing the guy's credentials, I'm not going to just take his word for it. He might know football in general, but he's obviously an NFL specialist if he's spent 25 years in the league. Without more specific information, that's enough for me to take it with a block of salt.

[Big Red Ron]

The teams were not even good in the 90's, why would the lines be? Especially if they are the nucleus of any good team. I'd take every line on the 2000's over the ones from the 90'sThe teams may have sucked but those line opend up some pretty damn good holes for the single most underated back in Oklahoma history, one Demond Parker (high NFL draft pick and one time starter) was a freak. Before him, that line did pretty well for James Allen (NFL starter) and Gumbo Fazand (First round draft pick).

Last years line was one of the wors I've ever seen at OU.

[caphorns]

I hope he also let you know that Rhett Bomar and his daddy can forget about getting a job in the Great State of Texas for the next 50 years ;)

[Partial Qualifier]

The teams were not even good in the 90's, why would the lines be? Especially if they are the nucleus of any good team. I'd take every line on the 2000's over the ones from the 90's

I'll make it simpler - we were never forced to play freshmen on the OL throughout the entire 90's. We didn't have mass OL defections in the 90's. Our problems during the ***************/Blake era had less to do with thinned-out units and more to do with poor coaching decisions.

Now, the 05 OL may have performed better at some points during the season than some of the 90's units, but we were much thinner in 05 and 01 than we've been since I can remember in all my years of watching OU football.

[RooseveltRoughRider]

I'll make it simpler - we were never forced to play freshmen on the OL throughout the entire 90's. We didn't have mass OL defections in the 90's. Our problems during the ***************/Blake era had less to do with thinned-out units and more to do with poor coaching decisions.

Now, the 05 OL may have performed better at some points during the season than some of the 90's units, but we were much thinner in 05 and 01 than we've been since I can remember in all my years of watching OU football.
This is true, alot of the negative stuff from the 90's was definently the coaches fault.

[start8]

I hope he also let you know that Rhett Bomar and his daddy can forget about getting a job in the Great State of Texas for the next 50 years ;)


Pretty sure Rhett's daddy already has a coaching job (salary paid by the state) in TX and I'm betting if Rhett lives up to his hype then both the Cowboys and the Texans just may come a calling. It's not like Dallas or Houston would say no AD where not drafting you because you're a Sooner.

[caphorns]

Pretty sure Rhett's daddy already has a coaching job (salary paid by the state) in TX and I'm betting if Rhett lives up to his hype then both the Cowboys and the Texans just may come a calling. It's not like Dallas or Houston would say no AD where not drafting you because you're a Sooner.

I was joking but I think Jerry is working in Oklahoma now. I know its foreign to some of you - a Texas immigrant finding gainful employment in Oklahoma ;)

[ftworthfox]

I was joking but I think Jerry is working in Oklahoma now. I know its foreign to some of you - a Texas immigrant finding gainful employment in Oklahoma ;)
Jerry is at Callisburg ISD, just east of Gainesville, TX.

[caphorns]

Jerry is at Callisburg ISD, just east of Gainesville, TX.

Well he did have to go pretty damn North right next to the Red River didn't he? ;)

[85Sooner]

So everyone wanted to bash me for my post.

1st I said it was a customer (not a friend)\
2nd He is not from Austin but currently lives here just like many other pro atheletes and actors etc....

3rd He is not soley a longhorn fan but does support them because it is the local team. I don't know what he studies or not, He was not at all rude or snotty the way many longhorn fans can be.

4th He likes the Sooners amoung others.

Heck, I was just repeating what I heard, so for those who like to be Smart A$$es. I hope you feel better now, cause you are starting to sound like the same longhorn fans you claim to detest.NM

[StoopTroup]

cause you are starting to sound like the same longhorn fans you claim to detest.NM
Now that might get you a neg.

I scanned over the pages of this thread and viewed your responses.

If I missed anyone asking you to pose a question to your customer, then I'm sorry if this is a repeat of another's question(s).

Here it goes....

Ask him the next time he's in if you don't mind..."Who are the next best of the best to go to the NFL and of them which one/ones is/are destined for the HOF? You might even ask if he thinks VY will be a HOF and maybe even who the next great UT QB is going to be as surely he would have tossed MB a bone if he's a fan of the local football team.


If you want...ask him to give you 3 to 5 names and we'll just see what kind of expert he really is. Not that I think it matters in any way but hey...it might be something to add to this thread.

Kragthorpe at Tulsa was Bledsoe's QB Coach in Buffalo. I've spoken with him. I respect his opinion in regards to QBs. If he gave me 3 to 5 names, I would still think that he could be wrong about everyone of them becoming a Superstar / HOF'er. I think it's more up to the individual NFL player to become a HOF'er than the Coach of such talent.

I think if RB stays healthy and continues to learn about his position he will be starting his Junior year as a Sooner just as I think he'll be starting next season. The NFL? I think it's way premature to have this type of conversation and any expert wouldn't even comment on it.

Anyway just my though.

[kbsooner]

IMO Rhett will make a huge improvement in long ball passing this offseason. I remember several times this season did he would miss a receiver breaking behind the secondary. A 60 yard TD here and there will do wonders for the stat line. I really hope they take advantage of the play action now, with a healthy Peterson. A summer of throwing frozen ropes to Kelly, Iglesias and Johnson will help wonders. It was the first season for all these guys, I think the ceiling is pretty high! And lets not forget he was splitting snaps thru the preseason. He is the man now, with that comes confidence so I expect to see even more improvement this offseason. I don't think he is the second coming right now, but if you don't see the potential there for something special the next few years then you're fooling yourself.

[East Coast Bias]

And since when do NFL coaches not make mistakes about quarterback talent? We are all wondering who this guy is, there are a lot of pro coaches who are not OU fans..... Maybe he is one of the Blake/Aikmann Dallas conspiracy?

[tennsooner]

If your friend, customer, circle jerk buddy,whatever he is has been a quarterback coach for 24 years perhaps he isn't as sharp a cookie as you and Nick are. Damn that's a thought. Just seems to me if he was that good perhaps at some point he might get a promotion.:D :D :mack: :mack:

[Soonerus]

I think Bomar can be a great, All-American type QB but his judgment on personal matters are still an issue, he was at the Hornets game last night in highly visible seats openly drinking beer...no big deal except he is only 19 or 20....

[TXBOOMER]

On the radio, Terry Shea with over thirty years in the league, current QB coach of the Chiefs said that Bomar was the best freshman QB he's seen and has the most potential of any current QB in college. I also tend to value a coach by the name of Bob Stoops opinion on the kid. Opinions are like...well you know. If your bud was a talent guru that always knows what he is talking about, whoever he works for wouldn't have any draft busts.

[SCOUT]

I won't rehash all of the potential positives that Bomar has or may develop. I personally think he is going to be one of the Sooner greats.

I would honestly like to know why your customer thinks the way he does. You said that he covered more in two minutes than you have ever seen on this board. Please enlighten us. Surely he was able to pinpoint the flaws in RB performance, mechanics, etc.

Was he saying that RB won't develop because our newQB coach can't develop a young QB?

[bluedogok]

Well he did have to go pretty damn North right next to the Red River didn't he? ;)
There are plenty of anti-UT people in this state (probably more than pro-UT) and even here in Austin than you think, after all most of the politicians at the upper levels in this state are Ags. This is not a one school state like Nebraska, Arkansas or Louisiana. My wife has lived here for 15 years and her favorite teams are Tech (where she got her bachelors) and whoever is playing UT. I know about the same number of UT haters as fans who live here.

[JRAM]

Not sure who your pro qb coach is but he needs to pull his head out of the abcess between his legs and get real. What a loser.

[Desert Sapper]

If you would mention who he is, maybe we could all respect his opinion a little more. As it stands, he doesn't seem to be very observant of Bomar's progress. Personally, I think he did well for a redshirt freshman without an O-Line. I would venture to guess that your business associate or client did not make his statement in the same context that you use. If he is an NFL assistant with XX years (he couldn't possibly have been a QB Coach that entire time), he is much more likely to have made an observation of performance with a vague reference to observed potential. Most of these guys recognize that a single year doesn't really mean that much. Especially a first year. We have listed ad nauseum what pathetic numbers NFL greats have put up in their first seasons at the D-I level. If we were to look at Rookie starters in the NFL, we would see a much more dramatic group of first year struggles that went on to great careers. Please post your his name so we can at least verify credentials.

[SCOUT]

I really would like to know what he said specifically. Just a couple of examples would be fine. I simply want to get an idea of what your NFL Coach customer is thinking.

TIA

[OU-HSV]

I really would like to know what he said specifically. Just a couple of examples would be fine. I simply want to get an idea of what your NFL Coach customer is thinking.

TIA
Yet another non-answer..heh.

[XingTheRubicon]

interesting




Oh yeah, 85...ask your customer/scout about Landry if he's around.

[OUinFLA]

Hey! I am learning something on this board!
Im learning to read the date of the OP before I get too emotional.

In this case, I've been emotional before, I don't need to be emotional now.

[StoopTroup]

interesting




Oh yeah, 85...ask your customer/scout about Landry if he's around.

lol...I can tell this is gonna be a great off-season

[SCOUT]

interesting




Oh yeah, 85...ask your customer/scout about Landry if he's around.

I think he has the potential to be really good, but fear he will continue to throw too may picks. My prediction is that he will be like Nate Hybl, good but not great.

Oh wait, you probably meant an actual scout...

Nevermind. :D

[AzianSooner]

now don't neg spek me over this OK?

I have a customer, I won't name names. Who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years. He IS a QB coach and has quite a record.

I will preface by saying he live in Austin and is a longhorn fan.

Anyway we got to talking and he stated that OU has a big problem.
I naturally incurred where?

He basically stated that our QB was and will not develope much more than he currently has and that he is more talk than skill. He did mention he is tough, but that it takes more than a blockhead (my word)to be successful at this level.

I hope he is wrong. we shall see soon enough. NM


1. You talked to a Whorn fans and borthered by his opinion.
2. You did not ask your Whorn beloved customer that until his school give a Heisman qb, then come talk to you again.
3. You show your weakness of being manipulated by any whorn guy. Next time, just stand up and curse and give the Whorn down and a favorite finger.

[yermom]

this thread cracked me up when i saw it was bumped

i can't believe how happy we were to have The Idiot come back at this point in the offseason :D

[MeMyself&Me]

Hey! I am learning something on this board!
Im learning to read the date of the OP before I get too emotional.

In this case, I've been emotional before, I don't need to be emotional now.

No ****! I was getting all worked up and ready to mount a counter when I noticed in the next few posts they were talking about Bomar...

Why is this being brought back up? While Landry is no Sam, he is no Rett either.

[delhalew]

wtf

[OU-HSV]

Whoa!!

[olevetonahill]

Back before "Idiot" went all Stupid I believed in his ability.
Hell I still do. The Young man had Great Potential .
thru it away for a Few bucks :(

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Back before "Idiot" went all Stupid I believed in his ability.
Hell I still do. The Young man had Great Potential .
thru it away for a Few bucks :(He was signed by the NY Giants last month. Have to wait til next yr to see if he'll make it.

[Seamus]

3. You show your weakness of being manipulated by any whorn guy. Next time, just stand up and curse and give the Whorn down and a favorite finger.

Greatest quote EVAR.

[soonerhubs]

You guys are all missing a major idea gleaned from the thread: Can ndpruitt still log on and post as nickzeppelin?

[Desert Sapper]

You bumped this thread so we could get insight from a guy that said Rhett Bomar sucked? Bomar has a ton of talent and still has plenty of potential. His biggest flaw back in 2005/6 was his attitude. He let his limited success get to his head, he did whatever he felt like, and he paid the piper. Now he is on the Giants practice squad after being banished to Sam Houston State. If he could make an NFL roster out of SHS, I venture to guess that Josh would have molded him into a real superstar. Maybe the 'NFL Coach' saw the character flaws and that was his real reason for being leery. I didn't see that in there.

In short, the 'NFL Coach' wasn't right about Bomar. Why would we want to know what he says about Landry?

[IronHorseSooner]

In short, the 'NFL Coach' wasn't right about Bomar. Why would we want to know what he says about Landry?

You hit the nail right on the head. Landry was thrown into a bad situation, and had to follow a legend. He also has a couple of guys behind him who are capable of overtaking him, as well as guy in Thompson in 2011. Landry made, really, only one bad play in that Stanford game, and looked like he was on a mission in that game. His strike to Broyles was outstanding. His worst game was against Mr. Suh, and he did the same thing to McCoy in the Big XII Title Game, and will be doing it next year to guys in the NFL. I think Landry is going to be a good one, whether he will be like Josh, Jason, or Sam is still to be seen. Heck, he could ARGUABLY be the best QB returning in the conference this year.

On a separate topic, I talked to an A&M guy I work with about some folks concern with playing A&M next year, and he said that no team next year should be concerned with them because the coaching staff if so bad.

[sooneredaco]

I'm still confused..... Why was this thread resurected? Landry and Rhett have zero in common.

Somebody mentioned earlier that Landry could be the best QB returning in the Big 12 next year. I was really quick to judge and was thinking "no effen way!", but after I sat and ran through my head who all was returning next year, I think he could be right.

[soonerborn30]

Returning QBs off the top of my head:
Jerrod Johnson - A&M
Robert Griffin III - BU
Tyler Hansen - CU
Blaine Gabbert - MU
Taylor Potts - TTU
Austin Arnaud - ISU

Is Landry better than all those guys?

[XingTheRubicon]

You bumped this thread so we could get insight from a guy that said Rhett Bomar sucked? Bomar has a ton of talent and still has plenty of potential. His biggest flaw back in 2005/6 was his attitude. He let his limited success get to his head, he did whatever he felt like, and he paid the piper. Now he is on the Giants practice squad after being banished to Sam Houston State. If he could make an NFL roster out of SHS, I venture to guess that Josh would have molded him into a real superstar. Maybe the 'NFL Coach' saw the character flaws and that was his real reason for being leery. I didn't see that in there.

In short, the 'NFL Coach' wasn't right about Bomar. Why would we want to know what he says about Landry?

the scout/horn didn't say Bomar sucked. He said his attitude sucked and he wasn't developing beyond thinking he was bigger than the program.

To put things simpler, he was exactly right.


As far as Landry goes...the only negative things I've heard about him have come from prepubescent Sooner fans. The part about the scout evaluating Landry was kind of a joke.

[Partial Qualifier]

this thread cracked me up when i saw it was bumped

i can't believe how happy we were to have The Idiot come back at this point in the offseason :D

X2! looking back, wow. quite a turn of events since then.

[sooneredaco]

Returning QBs off the top of my head:
Jerrod Johnson - A&M
Robert Griffin III - BU
Tyler Hansen - CU
Blaine Gabbert - MU
Taylor Potts - TTU
Austin Arnaud - ISU

Is Landry better than all those guys?

I thought Pottswas gone next year.... But we'll have to see how he fairs in a non Mike Leach offense. But I'd still give Potts the edge. Aside from Potts, Griffin would get my nod over Landry. Now when you compare the supporting cast around him, Lamdry gets the nod over both of them IMO

[TXBOOMER]

I'd take Griffin over any of them. Dude has VY type natural ability. Johnson looked pretty darn good against texass as well. Tyler Hanson may be something special but the jury is still out. Potts looked much more accurate than Landry but I only saw two of his games. Don't know anything about the rest of them. Bottom line we need an O Line and a running game or next year will be more of the same. We will beat the crap out of the weak sisters and get beat by teams that can match us athletically because we will struggle to score it really really really is that GD simple.

[TahoeSOONER]

This ^ and learn to have some...ugh "swagger" on the road.

[sooneredaco]

While a agree on needing some swagger on the road, I think we need a lot more than just swagger. Out whole philosophy on our practicing and a bunch more needs to change for our road woes.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

You bumped this thread so we could get insight from a guy that said Rhett Bomar sucked? Bomar has a ton of talent and still has plenty of potential. His biggest flaw back in 2005/6 was his attitude. He let his limited success get to his head, he did whatever he felt like, and he paid the piper. Now he is on the Giants practice squad after being banished to Sam Houston State. If he could make an NFL roster out of SHS, I venture to guess that Josh would have molded him into a real superstar. Maybe the 'NFL Coach' saw the character flaws and that was his real reason for being leery. I didn't see that in there.

In short, the 'NFL Coach' wasn't right about Bomar. Why would we want to know what he says about Landry?

DS, good to see ya..I've got a few differences of opinion on this one.

I started a similar thread a few months after this started because I heard a scout on the SA say what 85 said he had heard and then I talked to a few NFL people who said the same...that Bomar had a low ceiling..Now I know he had the OU thing and the ACL injury, but I didn't see much improvement through his freshman season through his last season at Sam Houston..now part of that has to do with the level of competition and coaching at SMS....He could have been drafted as a 5th rounder coming out of high school based on arm strength alone...and thats were he ended up..

And he is on a practice squad, not an NFL roster.....

I don't mean any disrespect to Landry Jones, but I've think he has a low ceiling as well...I could be wrong and hope I am though...He is a good quarterback

[rawlingsHOH]

And he is on a practice squad, not an NFL roster.....


He's actually on the Giants. Dressed out when they played the Vikings 2 weeks ago. Didn't play.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Thats right, he was called up on the 31st....see, 13 minutes is all it took for me to be proven wrong..he was on the active roster for the Vikings game

[kelloggOUballa]

I thought Pottswas gone next year.... But we'll have to see how he fairs in a non Mike Leach offense. But I'd still give Potts the edge. Aside from Potts, Griffin would get my nod over Landry. Now when you compare the supporting cast around him, Lamdry gets the nod over both of them IMO

If Landry isn't better than Potts, we have issues. Griffin is more "appealing" because of his athletic ability, but Landry will be better in the end. Johnson is athletic too, but he's average as a QB. Landry and Griffin will likely battle for All-Big 12 First Team, but LJ will probably get the nod.

[Blues1]

mho~Landry looked good vs Stanford - And Could be a lot better by fall - So lets hold off until Cincy ~ We should know by then IF "He's The Man" All this assuming we had O Line that can pass Block...??

O'yea ~ Some Good Run blocking by O line would be nice also ~~~~ :)

[MeMyself&Me]

I don't mean any disrespect to Landry Jones, but I've think he has a low ceiling as well...I could be wrong and hope I am though...He is a good quarterback

Well, at least Jones's floor is higher than Bomar's floor. Jones had the better first season of the two.

If Jones doesn't improve though, OU has other promising options for the future.

[OUmillenium]

I was really impressed by the A&M qb vs Uterus.

[SoonerStud615]

I think Bomar can be a great, All-American type QB but his judgment on personal matters are still an issue, he was at the Hornets game last night in highly visible seats openly drinking beer...no big deal except he is only 19 or 20....
Good call Rus. heh