Old Stores That Are No More

[Pieces Hit]

In my hometown we had a TG&Y, OTASCO, and Humpty Dumpty side by side.

Long gone now.

How 'bout you other old farts?

(20 points if you can tell me what TG&Y stood for. In grade school it was Toys Guns & Yo Yos.)

[1stTimeCaller]

somebody, somebody and Young

I remember all three growing up and I'm just 26

[Pieces Hit]

And I'm assuming OTASCO is a gimme...

[1stTimeCaller]

Oklahoma Tire and Supply Company?

[jk the sooner fan]

its actually "toys, GAMES, and yo-yo's"

oklahoma tire and AUTO supply company - my grandmothers second husband owned the OTASCO in purcell and made a mint.....

[Pieces Hit]

I believe so, yes.

We also had a gameroom full of foosball tables next door in that mall.

This was like 1973.

Senator Stratton Taylor was our bag boy at Humpty Dumpty.
He had a big fro.
That was when they would still cart the food to your car and put it in the trunk.

http://www.oksenate.gov/Senators/biographies/taylor_bio.jpg

[Pieces Hit]

its actually "toys, GAMES, and yo-yo's"

oklahoma tire and AUTO supply company - my grandmothers second husband owned the OTASCO in purcell and made a mint.....I bought my first BB gun there and subsequently all my ammo.
They kept it locked in a glass counter but you didn't need your Ma to buy it.

[Pieces Hit]

Oh yeah.

We also had a HOBO grocery and I guess Safeway is a thing of the past too.

Getting sentimental here...

Feeling old.

[ultimatesooner1]

Anthony's

[jk the sooner fan]

albertsons started out as Skaggs

are there anymore Piggly Wiggly's?

there was a clothing store at penn square mall that i used to be taken too....cant remember the name, but it was locally owned and no longer there

[Okla-homey]

Rexall Drug Store, C.R. Anthony's, Monkey Wards, Gibson's Discount Center, Daube's Department Store (local Ardmore dealio -- high end, we couldn't afford the place), Beall's, OTASCO, F.W. Woolworth's, Kress', T.G.& Y.

we had J.C. Penney's too, but they still exist.

Oh yeah, don't forget those S&H Green Stamps Redemption Centers where your mom took those comic book paper booklets in which she had stuck all her Green Stamps from the weekly visits to Safeway or Humpty Dumpty and redeemed them for cool stuff like dishes and tricycles.

[crawfish]

Why are so many people intent on making me feel like an old fart today? :mad:

[Okla-homey]

albertsons started out as Skaggs

are there anymore Piggly Wiggly's?

there was a clothing store at penn square mall that i used to be taken too....cant remember the name, but it was locally owned and no longer there

The Pig is still alive and well in the deep South.

[Pieces Hit]

Anthony'sOh man, forgot Anthony's.
Ours had a wooden floor that squeaked.
Bought my bell bottoms there.

It's an antique mall now.

[critical_phil]

cool stuff?


S&H green stamps is how my brothers and i got our winter coats each year....

[afs]

Rexall Drug Store, C.R. Anthony's, Monkey Wards, Gibson's Discount Center, Daube's Department Store (local Ardmore dealio -- high end, we couldn't afford the place), Beall's, OTASCO, F.W. Woolworth's, Kress', T.G.& Y.

we had J.C. Penney's too, but they still exist.

Oh yeah, don't forget those S&H Green Stamps Redemption Centers where your mom took those comic book paper booklets in which she had stuck all her Green Stamps from the weekly visits to Safeway or Humpty Dumpty and redeemed them for cool stuff like dishes and tricycles.

We still have a Gibson's Discount Center and Beall's here in Alamogordo, NM.

[Pieces Hit]

And get this >>

I know you youngsters won't believe this,

but we used to have what they called "Service Stations" where people would put gas in your car, check your oil, AND clean your windshield and sometimes give you a glass or a hand towel as a gift - thank you for coming and smile.

I shyt you not.

I also remember gift hand towels and glassed included in laundry detergent boxes.

[TopDaugIn2000]

Bill's Dollar Store (got ran out by Dollar General)
Hunters (a local place sorta like TG&Y)
Venture (like an old school downscaled Target)
Service Merchandise (got my first computer there, a Commadore 64)
Boy Howdy (another TG&Y type place)

[afs]

Oh yeah, don't forget those S&H Green Stamps Redemption Centers where your mom took those comic book paper booklets in which she had stuck all her Green Stamps from the weekly visits to Safeway or Humpty Dumpty and redeemed them for cool stuff like dishes and tricycles.

still exist, just tweaked for modern times.

http://www.greenpoints.com/account/act_default.asp

[1stTimeCaller]

Anyone remember Woodward's in Cyril or Cement? I loved going there with my dad on weekends when he needed a new pair of boots.

[Mjcpr]

Piggly Wiggly grocery stores. I think this was my dad's first "big" job. He was the produce guy or something. Un-interesting story: I was at the nursing home visiting my grandmother (dad's mom) and some lady steps out of one of the rooms and speaks to me. She asked if I was (my dad's name)'s son and I said yes. She recognized me and his mother, she worked at Piggly Wiggly with him about 40 years ago. :eek:

AIM. Anyone have one of these? We had one in Muskogee...kinda similar to a Wal Mart.

[Fish]

Renbergs
Bud's
kinney's Shoes

[soonerjoker]

Homey got most of them. almost everything is gone from downtown okmulgee.

penneys, anthoneys, woolworth, kress, monkey wards, otasco, western auto
firestone, most all department stores & original drugstores.

mostly all that's left are antique stores.

[Harry Beanbag]

I remember my grandpa taking me to the TG&Y in El Reno to get Hot Wheel cars. Good times and a long long time ago. :(

[SoonerWood]

I miss going into Gibson's with grandpa to get our fishing gear before the summer Colorado trips.

Two more that are no more:
John A. Brown
Streets

[picasso]

I believe so, yes.

We also had a gameroom full of foosball tables next door in that mall.

This was like 1973.

Senator Stratton Taylor was our bag boy at Humpty Dumpty.
He had a big fro.
That was when they would still cart the food to your car and put it in the trunk.

http://www.oksenate.gov/Senators/biographies/taylor_bio.jpg
back in '99, my sister and her hubby briefly lived right next to ole Stratty. his rather modest home was smack dab in their backyard.

my hometown had OTASCO but we also had a Ben Franklin store (or dime store), which was a small boy's dream-cheap toys abound. we used to go there and get pea shooters for the parades. heh.

[IB4OU2]

The Pig is still alive and well in the deep South.

Our little town is currently having a new one (Piggly Wiggly) built.

[Stanley1]

Any Safeways left?

Edit: Just saw that PH mentioned it already.

[Fish]

Safeways are still out west/PacNorWest

[Stanley1]

Mays Drug stores? Anybody? Bueller?

[picasso]

Any Safeways left?

Edit: Just saw that PH mentioned it already.
they be called Homeland now.

I remember wayyy back in the day at Woodland Hills Mall, Renberg's had all the sweet threads. I actually met a girl 6 or so years ago who in Tulsa who was a Renberg.

[Pieces Hit]

I guess Git-N-Go went belly up too.
All the one's in Tulsa are gone anyhoo.

[Pieces Hit]

Anybody remember what the grocery was called where Drysdales is in Tulsa?

I think it was called Sipe's.

They had a cartoon booth you could sit in, pull a rope and see a toon if it weren't broke.

Man, I would yank that rope when it was broke.

Also, how about Oertle's Department Store on 15th and Memorial?

[Harry Beanbag]

Since JohnnyMack isn't around, I'll be the one to proclaim Wal-Mart as the devil. They are the reason all of these places that are in our childhood memories no longer exist.

Who has good memories about Wal-Mart?

[Stanley1]

Texaco's and Phillips 66

I believe both are gone now.

Also, Apco's and Fina's (might be a few of these around still).

[Stanley1]

Since JohnnyMack isn't around, I'll be the one to proclaim Wal-Mart as the devil. They are the reason all of these places that are in our childhood memories no longer exist.

Who has good memories about Wal-Mart?

Norm does, I think.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Pieces Hit

Anybody remember what the grocery was called where Drysdales is in Tulsa?

Sipes?
McCartney's?

[Harry Beanbag]

Texaco's and Phillips 66

I believe both are gone now.

Also, Apco's and Fina's (might be a few of these around still).


We had Texaco move in out here about 3 years ago, now they're all Shell. I know of at least two Phillips 66s here as well. I thought it was a little weird myself.

There are a bunch of Finas in El Paso.

[Fish]

What about the Stables Lounge?

That was my first encounter w/ a stripper...I was 8 and walking home from school when out of the Stables came a stripper holding her cloths in one arm...needless to say I became "happy in my pants" at that moment!:D

[Mjcpr]

Texaco's and Phillips 66

I believe both are gone now.

Whooooo, you're going way back there grandpa.

:D

[Stanley1]

Whooooo, you're going way back there grandpa.

:D

Heh. All the good answers were already taken. :D

[Pieces Hit]

Not a store - but remember that huge abandoned house on 15th and Memorial that looked so dang creepy?

They had a spook house in it for a few years before it got tore down.

[JohnnyMack]

Since JohnnyMack isn't around, I'll be the one to proclaim Wal-Mart as the devil. They are the reason all of these places that are in our childhood memories no longer exist.

Who has good memories about Wal-Mart?

Thanks!

XOXO

[JohnnyMack]

(20 points if you can tell me what TG&Y stood for. In grade school it was Toys Guns & Yo Yos.)

Tomlinson, Gosslin & Young I think.

[JohnnyMack]

I grew up literally 2 blocks from Southroads mall. I remember Imo's, The Strawberry Patch, Vandevers, Peaches, Sanger Harris. Then there was that general cinema 2 screen movie theater with coney-i-lander on the backside. And the Annex (I used to work at that Oshman's). Remember when the Annex 3 became the Annex 7! That was a huge movie house. Funway Freeway was the arcade. Also anyone rememer B&F Express? The little hamburger stand shaped like a caboose? Good times.

[picasso]

I grew up literally 2 blocks from Southroads mall. I remember Imo's, The Strawberry Patch, Vandevers, Peaches, Sanger Harris. Then there was that general cinema 2 screen movie theater with coney-i-lander on the backside. And the Annex (I used to work at that Oshman's). Remember when the Annex 3 became the Annex 7! That was a huge movie house. Funway Freeway was the arcade. Also anyone rememer B&F Express? The little hamburger stand shaped like a caboose? Good times.
Southroads was sweet! Remeber all of the fountains inside?
what was the name of the huge store in the back? would be just west of where the theatres are now? they always had some sweet toys and sporting goods.

[picasso]

Not a store - but remember that huge abandoned house on 15th and Memorial that looked so dang creepy?

They had a spook house in it for a few years before it got tore down.
that place was sweet, it used to be my sisters dream house. I think it burned down.

[Pieces Hit]

Southroads Mall was a beautiful place once.

Remember the theater next door?

It had a huge curtain that would unveil the huge screen.

[Pieces Hit]

that place was sweet, it used to be my sisters dream house. I think it burned down.I did not know that. I always thought a Dracula could be living there.

Mom took us to lots of Dracula movies at the Admiral Twin and I forget the names of the others...

[JohnnyMack]

Southroads was sweet! Remeber all of the fountains inside?
what was the name of the huge store in the back? would be just west of where the theatres are now? they always had some sweet toys and sporting goods.

I think it was Looboyles or something like that?

[picasso]

I think it was Looboyles or something like that?
damn that's close. I'm going to have to ask my brother, I'm still half asleep right now. that place was the bomb though.

[JohnnyMack]

Southroads Mall was a beautiful place once.

Remember the theater next door?

It had a huge curtain that would unveil the huge screen.

Remember the restaurant on the 2nd floor of Vandevers that looked out onto the mall? And that little cigar shop that was in the mall too.

[Pieces Hit]

Yeah Joe Krieger had a fishing show sponsored by Looboyles.
Not to be confused with the Luby's cafeteria there, of course.

[Rhino]

Circle K

[IB4OU2]

Amspacher's on Lindsey, used to go there when I was a little kid. Stirs used to be a pretty good grocery store on Main street in Norman. Liberty Drug on Campus Corner..........

[picasso]

ah Looboyle's it is, good call.

Picadelli Circus anyone?

[KsSooner]

Western Auto was another one.

Pieces Hit - sounds like the Anthonys in Claremore. Could also get a real fountain drink at Rexall Drug or across the street at Gentry Drug.

[Stanley1]

Kerr McGee gas stations.

Pops owned one back in the day.

[Pieces Hit]

I believe the Starship Headshop is still hanging on...

Was it Uncle Leo on those great commercials? Who was that?

[Norm In Norman]

I got my 1st and second bikes from OTASCO.

[JohnnyMack]

Circle K

Bennys Got It at 36th and Harvard.

[Harry Beanbag]

Circle K


Seriously? There are roughly 25,479 of those things in the Phoenix area. I know of one place where there are 3 within a half mile of each other on the same street.

[Pieces Hit]

Western Auto was another one.

Pieces Hit - sounds like the Anthonys in Claremore. Could also get a real fountain drink at Rexall Drug or across the street at Gentry Drug.Claremore!

Yep. Train Town USA.

[Stanley1]

I think Mervyns (sp) Department store is gone now, no?

[Mjcpr]

Seriously? There are roughly 25,479 of those things in the Phoenix area. I know of one place where there are 3 within a half mile of each other on the same street.

There are a bunch of them in Tulsa too......not sure what he's talking about.

[Mjcpr]

I think Mervyns (sp) Department store is gone now, no?
Graaaaandpa, tell me 'bout the good ole daays....

[JohnnyMack]

There are a bunch of them in Tulsa too......not sure what he's talking about.

We still have Circle K? Really? Hmm. Hadn't noticed.

[Mjcpr]

We still have Circle K? Really? Hmm. Hadn't noticed.

Wait a minute. I'm thinking of Kum 'n Go (worst name evar).

Nevermind!! :O

[picasso]

ah Looboyle's it is, good call.

Picadelli Circus anyone?
errr or Picadilly? anywho, it was some good food.

[Pieces Hit]

Peter Pan Ice Cream

Der Wienerschnitzel


Gone!

[Mjcpr]

Nobody else had an AIM, huh?

Y'all musta been po!

[JohnnyMack]

Swensen's!!!!!!!!!!111

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

I think Mervyns (sp) Department store is gone now, no?No. Moore just got one.

Buchanan's

Crystal's Pizza

Streets was where womens went for fancy clothes.

TG&Y had the best goldfish

KMart is no longer in OK

[Pieces Hit]

A&W Root Beer Stands?

Ours is long gone anyway.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Peter Piper Pizza
Pizza Planet

[Stanley1]

No. Moore just got one.

Buchanan's

Crystal's Pizza

Streets was where womens went for fancy clothes.

TG&Y had the best goldfish

KMart is no longer in OK

There is a Crystal's in Dallas.

[Pieces Hit]

Crystal's Pizza
SPEK!

Loved it - at first.
Glad to see it go.

[Stanley1]

errr or Picadilly? anywho, it was some good food.

Still a Picadilly in Tulsa.

[Stanley1]

Der Wienerschnitzel


Nope, they have them here in Dallas. Think I've seen them out west as well.

[BoomerJack]

Borden's Cafeterias in Tulsa.

The "Across the Street" restaurant in Norman.

[Stanley1]

What was that place that was out in Town West in Tulsa? Was a Mama Lou's for awhile, but another, similiar place before that. Hmmmm.....

[Rhino]

All the Circle's K's here became STAXSTAXSTAX, then something less memorable. Now they're all probably CVS Pharmacys.


Ken's Pizza - best thin crust ever.
Hardee's - best Frisco burger ever
Dairy Queen - best ice cream at a place called DQ ever

I know there's some Hardee's in Kansas, but that doesn't count. And I'd be hard pressed to find a DQ in Oklahoma now. And I think there's one Ken's in some town someplace in Oklahoma that no one goes to or appreciates as much as I would.

[Pieces Hit]

Nope, they have them here in Dallas. Think I've seen them out west as well.Okay, Harden's Chicken then.
Made me fat and closed.

[Mjcpr]

KMart is no longer in OK

There's one at 51st and Harvard in Tulsa.

[Stanley1]

All the Circle's K's here became STAXSTAXSTAX, then something less memorable. Now they're all probably CVS Pharmacys.


Ken's Pizza - best thin crust ever.
Hardee's - best Frisco burger ever
Dairy Queen - best ice cream at a place called DQ ever

I know there's some Hardee's in Kansas, but that doesn't count. And I'd be hard pressed to find a DQ in Oklahoma now. And I think there's one Ken's in some town someplace in Oklahoma that no one goes to or appreciates as much as I would.

Tulsa has a DQ.

Tulsa > OKC :D

[PhxSooner]

McCartney's was a cool grocery store, and only a few blocks from my house. They'd send your groceries out in a box on a conveyor belt.

We'd go to the Renberg's at Woodland Hills, but hardly ever buy anything. My mom mostly shopped at Edison's and Froug's.

Otasco rocked. I loved going there to look at bikes with my dad.

[Rhino]

Tulsa sure does keep a lot of old stores around.

[PhxSooner]

Crystal's had great games and a cool build-your-own sundae thing, but the pizza was awful.

My dad worked at Amoco across the street from Nelson's Buffeteria. Sad day when that place closed.

[PhxSooner]

Tulsa sure does keep a lot of old stores around.
You're ruining my nostalgia. Tulsa in the 70s rocked!;)

[picasso]

Godfathers Pizza.:)

[jk the sooner fan]

shotgun sams pizza........i loved that place


"7 of diamonds your pizza is ready"

[GDC]

All the Circle's K's here became STAXSTAXSTAX, then something less memorable. Now they're all probably CVS Pharmacys.


Ken's Pizza - best thin crust ever.
Hardee's - best Frisco burger ever
Dairy Queen - best ice cream at a place called DQ ever

I know there's some Hardee's in Kansas, but that doesn't count. And I'd be hard pressed to find a DQ in Oklahoma now. And I think there's one Ken's in some town someplace in Oklahoma that no one goes to or appreciates as much as I would.

There's a Ken's in Eufala, you can see it from 69, good stuff.

How about Ben Franklin's five and dime? There was one in Sallisaw long ago.

In Tulsa, what was the big department store on Memorial near 31st? I got lost there once as a kid.

[Pieces Hit]

Amen to both pizza joints! SPEK coming!

[GDC]

Godfathers Pizza.:)

Are there still any Shakey's Pizzas?

[PhxSooner]

In Tulsa, what was the big department store on Memorial near 31st? I got lost there once as a kid.
I'm pretty sure that was Edison's.

Shotgun Sam's was the coolest!

[picasso]

I can remember when the only thing on the corner of 71st and Garnett was an old full service station and country.

anyone remember the cool ranch style home that was on the corner of 81st and Lewis where Sonic is now? times they have a changed.

[jk the sooner fan]

now i'm sad, my kids will never be able to enjoy the greatness that was shotgun sams......

[Pieces Hit]

In Tulsa, what was the big department store on Memorial near 31st? I got lost there once as a kid.Oertles (pronounced Urtleez).

More like on 15th?

[TopDaugIn2000]

And I think there's one Ken's in some town someplace in Oklahoma that no one goes to or appreciates as much as I would.

Eufaula still has one.

edit: I see that gdc beat me to it

[PhxSooner]

I can remember when the only thing on the corner of 71st and Garnett was an old full service station and country.

anyone remember the cool ranch style home that was on the corner of 81st and Lewis where Sonic is now? times they have a changed.

My folks now live in the subdivision at 81st and Sheridan. I remember when it was full of nothing but cows.

[85Sooner]

What about Kiddie City? Sound Warehouse? Kinneys shoes? AMC?
Napoleon Nash? Millers sporting goods? Rockworld? Driver Music? Big L? Payless Cashways? Sammy's Pizza? Hans BBQ? Nicalosi's? Jeesh I'm feeling old now.

[GDC]

Oertles (pronounced Urtleez).

More like on 15th?

It may have been further north, I think you're right.

[Harry Beanbag]

Shotgun Sam's and Ken's were definitely the ****.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Crystal's Pizza tasted good too. I went there as an adult and it even RMFO then.

There used to be a steak place on I-35 called Cattle Rustlers that had all you can eat steak.

Pinocchio's in Stubbeman Village in Norman had awesome breadsticks drowned in butter sauce.

I'd forgotten about McCartney's conveyer belt.

[Pieces Hit]

Sound Track.

Thank God.

[TopDaugIn2000]

Casa Bonita

:(

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Oh and speaking of Ken's, I got all excited when I was in Durant last week because there was a Ken's and it had signs on the marquee talking about their lunch buffet. When I pulled in the parking lot I realized it had been closed a long time.

Does anyone remember Der Dutchman? They had the best hushpuppy sticks.

[Pieces Hit]

Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips

[TopDaugIn2000]

Molly Murphies

(used to LOVE that place as a kid. It was a BIG DEAL to come to OKC for the weekend and go to MM)

[JohnnyMack]

Ken's Pizza - best thin crust ever.


Trivia question.

Ken Selby owned 3 different Pizza places at one time.

1. Mazzio's
2. Ken's
3.

Remember what the 3rd one was?

[Pieces Hit]

3. Crystals?

[Mjcpr]

Trivia question.

Ken Selby owned 3 different Pizza places at one time.

1. Mazzio's
2. Ken's
3.

Remember what the 3rd one was?

Pizza Inn?

[JohnnyMack]

It was delivery only. And didn't hang around too long.

[Pieces Hit]

It was delivery only. And didn't hang around too long.Rancid Rat Pizza?
I got nuthin.

[JohnnyMack]

Scooter's.

[TopDaugIn2000]

growing up we had a local place in Spiro called B's Pizza
best sausage & mushroom thin crust pizza EVAR
and even better when dipped in YELLOW creamy italian dressing

[critical_phil]

Crystal's had great games and a cool build-your-own sundae thing, but the pizza was awful.



i liked the pizza at Crystal's.



i liked the easy chicks from Moore high school that hung out there even more.

[Pieces Hit]

Crystal's was great and

then

went

downhill

fast.

[Stanley1]

Casa Bonita

:(

Are all 3 gone now? Even the Denver one?

[jk the sooner fan]

didnt the denver one have a water fall inside?

[picasso]

Casa Bonita was an original but there's a reason why people quit going. it's kind of like when other people started making cars.:D

[Pieces Hit]

As did the Tulsa one.

Cartman didn't dive from ours though.

[TUSooner]

*DX service stations, I had my first real job at the one at 12th & Broadway in Moore; it's still listed in the phone book as "Broadway DX"
*Ken's Pizza, worth another mention since my HS truelove worked at the one in Moore (across from B'way DX)
*Shakey's Pizza - first pizza I ever had was from Shakey's
*Scmitt's Toys & Hobbies at NW 23rd & Meridian, where my cousin and I bought 98.37% of our Matchbox cars.

Now I feel so old, I think I'll go lie down.

[Pieces Hit]

Casa Bonita was an original but there's a reason why people quit going. it's kind of like when other people started making cars.:DI stopped going when they changed the napkins from cloth to paper.

This was long after the mouse ran across my wife's foot.

I think several real Mexican families are living in there now...

[Stanley1]

didnt the denver one have a water fall inside?

Yep. A giant one, complete with "divers".

[OUthunder]

OTASCO
TG&Y

[TopDaugIn2000]

I stopped going when they changed the napkins from cloth to paper.

I never went during that time. I haven't been in over 6 or 7 years.

[picasso]

I stopped going when they changed the napkins from cloth to paper.

This was long after the mouse ran across my wife's foot.

I think several real Mexican families are living in there now...
:D

[soonerbrat]

In my hometown we had a TG&Y, OTASCO, and Humpty Dumpty side by side.

Long gone now.

How 'bout you other old farts?

(20 points if you can tell me what TG&Y stood for. In grade school it was Toys Guns & Yo Yos.)



is moore your hometown?

[soonerbrat]

The Pig is still alive and well in the deep South.



there's a piggly wiggly in edmond. used to be an IGA

[Pieces Hit]

is moore your hometown?Claremore.

(aka Squaremore).

Yes, I am a Claremoron.

[soonerbrat]

Nope, they have them here in Dallas. Think I've seen them out west as well.



i'm pretty sure there's a weinerschnitzel in midwest city

i KNOW they have them in cali.


i miss fuddrucker's. i know they still exist, just not around here.

[soonerbrat]

Claremore.

(aka Squaremore).

Yes, I am a Claremoron.


one of my best friends from summer camp lived in claremore. i haven't spoken to her in about 20 years

[TUSooner]

In my hometown we had a TG&Y, OTASCO, and Humpty Dumpty side by side.

Long gone now.

How 'bout you other old farts?

(20 points if you can tell me what TG&Y stood for. In grade school it was Toys Guns & Yo Yos.)

is moore your hometown?

That's what I was gonna ask. Sounds just like the old City of Moore Shopping Center right off I-35

[Okla-homey]

All the Circle's K's here became STAXSTAXSTAX, then something less memorable. Now they're all probably CVS Pharmacys.


Ken's Pizza - best thin crust ever.
Hardee's - best Frisco burger ever
Dairy Queen - best ice cream at a place called DQ ever

I know there's some Hardee's in Kansas, but that doesn't count. And I'd be hard pressed to find a DQ in Oklahoma now. And I think there's one Ken's in some town someplace in Oklahoma that no one goes to or appreciates as much as I would.

Hardees=Carls Jr. (Same corporation, different name based on geography.)

similar to Hellmans=Best Foods mayonnaise

or

Shoneys Big Boy=Kips Big Boy

[Stanley1]

What was that place that was out in Town West in Tulsa? Was a Mama Lou's for awhile, but another, similiar place before that. Hmmmm.....

Shoneys.

[critical_phil]

That's what I was gonna ask. Sounds just like the old City of Moore Shopping Center right off I-35


the building just south of the TG&Y had a Big Ed's.

:texan:

[Pieces Hit]

Buster Brown Shoes

[Okla-homey]

Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips

they have one today in Montgomery AL., it shares a building with Kenny Rogers Fried Chicken.

[Okla-homey]

Buster Brown Shoes

Paul Parrot kids shoes. Remember the big green plastic parrot would crap an egg for you with a prize inside after your mom paid for the shoes.

[soonerbrat]

oh yeah..someone mentioned a&w...there's one of those in edmond. it's a combo restaurant...a & w & long john's i believe....or something like that.

[picasso]

anyone remember Gibble Gas? my uncle was good friends with Mr. Gibble.

[critical_phil]

Has anyone mentioned Roy Rogers or Taco Tico?

[Pieces Hit]

yep.

And what of Grigsby's and Orbach's?

[Pieces Hit]

I remember Gibble Gas and we have a Taco Tico in Claremore now.

[TUSooner]

Oh yeah it IS Thomlinson, Gosselin and Young. They even used to have a TG&Y in New Orleans when I moved here in 1978.

I miss A&W, too

[critical_phil]

yep.

And what of Grigsby's and Orbach's?



weren't the Orbach's murdered???

[Pieces Hit]

I think I remember that!

[IB4OU2]

There was a Minnie Pearls Fried Chicken in Norman for a short time...........

[Okla-homey]

There was a hot dog chain in my wife's homestate of SC called "Frank-n-Stein" (get it, dogs and beer?) They had Frankenstein on their logo and the saleskids wore green turtlenecks and black jackets a-la Herman Munster.

They only lasted a couple years though. Something about eating food from a place prominently featuring a formerly dead violent criminal resurrected by a mad scientist kinda wrecked folks' appetite.

[Okla-homey]

There was a Minnie Pearls Fried Chicken in Norman for a short time...........

We had one in Ardmore too. Its a Chinese joint now.

[Pieces Hit]

Anybody remember or ever visit "The Walk Thru the Bible" at ORU in the 80's?

It was phase 1 of a pretty extravagant deal where you got to ride on the Ark and stuff.

Then Oral saw the giant Jesus and they lost their funding and tore it down.

[Okla-homey]

Anybody remember or ever visit "The Walk Thru the Bible" at ORU in the 80's?

It was phase 1 of a pretty extravagant deal where you got to ride on the Ark and stuff.

Then Oral saw the giant Jesus and they lost their funding and tore it down.

Dayum, I would have paid money to do that! As it is, I must be content with admiring Oral's ginormous praying hands.

[Mjcpr]

Anybody remember or ever visit "The Walk Thru the Bible" at ORU in the 80's?

It was phase 1 of a pretty extravagant deal where you got to ride on the Ark and stuff.

Then Oral saw the giant Jesus and they lost their funding and tore it down.

On a related note, a recent policy change now allows ORU students to dress more casually. Dresses/skirts are no longer required for the ladies, and slacks and ties are no longer required for the boys.

[Pieces Hit]

It was really cool.
Disney quality and expensive.

[KsSooner]

Zuider Zee(sp?) restaurant in Tulsa, Denbo's Wigwam Chicken Hut in Claremore

[Okla-homey]

It was really cool.
Disney quality and expensive.

It would have been cool if the "Plagues of Egypt" part could have involved showering you with rubber frogs or something.

[Pieces Hit]

Zuider Zee(sp?) restaurant in Tulsa, Denbo's Wigwam Chicken Hut in Claremore

The Wigwam?!

Are you familiar with Carl Distill lore of old from Claremore?

[Pieces Hit]

It would have been cool if the "Plagues of Egypt" part could have involved showering you with rubber frogs or something.

Phase 1 just took you from Creation to the Flood.

They had land set aside for the whole deal and a model of what was gonna be in it.

[Okla-homey]

Phase 1 just took you from Creation to the Flood.

They had land set aside for the whole deal and a model of what was gonna be in it.

Did you get to watch Cain put the murderous smackdown on Abel?

[Pieces Hit]

No sir, but i done seen eve eat the apple.

[Rhino]

Hardees=Carls Jr. (Same corporation, different name based on geography.) Except completely different menu and no Frisco burger.

Oh, and their whole image is - "Our food is ****ing messy. Yum!"

[Pieces Hit]

Clarke's Good Clothes

[Okla-homey]

No sir, but i done seen eve eat the apple.

Was she nekkid, or were there strategically placed shrubberies and such?

(I was gonna say "bushes," but you know how people can be here)

[KsSooner]

Karl Distill was infamous when I was in grade school in the mid 60's

[Pieces Hit]

Give me a break.
Like Oral was gonna let there be pubes.

[Pieces Hit]

Karl Distill was infamous when I was in grade school in the mid 60'sAs he was when I was in grade school in the 70's!
Ever meet him??

[GDC]

THe Avalon, now that was the place, and the Louisiane and St Michael's Alley.

[Pieces Hit]

What was that theater where Eddie and the Ecclectics played on Peoria?

The Brooke? Right?

It's a malt shop now.

[12]

The first non-hand-me-down bike I ever got was from Western Auto. I can't even begin to tell you what it was like to see that bike in the window every day... next to all of the other wanna-be bikes.. and dream that it would one day be mine.

It was "BMX" style, with knobby tires and the number "1" on a handlebar faceplate.

Man, that was some intense wanting there. I wanted that thing like an old wanting thing. I spent several months hoping and praying it would one day be mine.

I did eventually get it, and it was the coolest gift ever. That year, I also got some shoes that were too small for me.

God bless you, Western Auto.

[KsSooner]

Used to see him when I walked by Ernie's (pool hall). Was told by my older sister to stay away from him. For a quarter...

[IB4OU2]

THe Avalon, now that was the place, and the Louisiane and St Michael's Alley.

St Micheals Alley is still there isn't it?...........:(

Wifey and I used to eat there all the time.

[GDC]

St Micheals Alley is still there isn't it?...........:(

Wifey and I used to eat there all the time.

I think so, I just haven't been in a while. Is the Louisiane still open?

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Anyone else vacation at Dogpatch USA?

Springlake was awesome too.

[IB4OU2]

Sandy's Hamburgers were good back inthe day, you could get like 3 burgers, fries and a drink for a buck fifty....or so.

[IB4OU2]

Anyone else vacation at Dogpatch USA?

Springlake was awesome too.

I went to Dogpatch....Watched Daisy May do a header into the concrete one time got hurt pretty bad and the doctor friend I was with administered first aid to her.

[Pieces Hit]

Used to see him when I walked by Ernie's (pool hall). Was told by my older sister to stay away from him. For a quarter...OH MAN, ERNIES!

Life was good skippin school at Ernie's.

Rack em Ernie!

[Okla-homey]

St Micheals Alley is still there isn't it?...........:(

Wifey and I used to eat there all the time.

In fact, I have a dinner appointment there in two weeks.:)

[GDC]

I went to Dogpatch....Watched Daisy May do a header into the concrete one time got hurt pretty bad and the doctor friend I was with administered first aid to her.

I went to Dogpatch once as a kid. That reminds of the Lil Abner Drive In in Catoosa. We went by it on the way to eat at Molly's Landing the other day.

[IB4OU2]

In fact, I have a dinner appointment there in two weeks.:)

I'm relieved, cause that's one place thats been in operation since Deb and I started dating and through our marriage so I guess it's been open for over 30 years. We love their Rueben Sammiches and they have a good beer selection....enjoy Homey!

[TUSooner]

Did anybody say, "U-TOTE-M"?

[12]

Man, Dogpatch is no more...

http://www.undergroundozarks.com/gallery/dogpatch

Check out some of those offices and stuff...

I had some great times there as a kid. I'm guessing the owners just shut 'er down and never looked back.

[Pieces Hit]

Awesome site.

Silver Dollar City kilt it daid.

[12]

That is horribly depressing.

I caught a few trout from their "farm."

I like how the roof has collapsed now.

Amazing.

[KsSooner]

Do you remember the old Mountain Dew television commercials? Hillbillies - "yahoo, Mountain Dew!" Dogpatch reminds me of that.

[Pieces Hit]

That site said it is being refurbished now.

[Mjcpr]

Did anybody say, "U-TOTE-M"?

Ohhhh, good call!

[critical_phil]

Did anybody say, "U-TOTE-M"?


i wouldn't have thought of that in a million years.




that was way back when 12 year olds had to steal pr0n the old fashioned way. distract the clerk by paying for something in pennies while your buddy shoved that month's JUGGS down his pants.

[MamaMia]

When I was a child, my mother got alot of my nicer school clothes and dresses for mass at a store called Katherine Lipes. I loved that place. I also remember Penn Square before it was enclosed. I bought almost all of my Christmas gifts at the childrens gift aisle in Kambers. Eleanor loved children and was great about providing afforable gifts that children could buy with their allowance. I bought many an OU hand fan with my piggy bank change. :D


albertsons started out as Skaggs

are there anymore Piggly Wiggly's?

there was a clothing store at penn square mall that i used to be taken too....cant remember the name, but it was locally owned and no longer there
Are you thinking of Rothchilds?

The best of all though was how we would get all dressed up every year to go see Santa at Rothchilds. I loved to ride the elevators up to see all the formals and wedding gowns afterward. They had the same elevator man who worked there for years who would open the door with a handle. :)

[Pieces Hit]

The Bowman Twin.

It's now Laser Tag.

[Pieces Hit]

And has anyone seen what a pile Eastland Mall has turned into?

Tennis shoes and baby clothes.

[12]

OUSAEmom, I remember Penn Square being an outdoor mall... I grew up in Shattuck, so a trip to "The City" was quite a big deal.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Movie theaters:

Moore Twin (I think it just had two, some of you older peeps would know)
Reding 4
Almonte 6
Southpark
14 Flags Drive In
Hillcrest Drive In
Whatever the one was called that was off I-44
Brookhaven 6

[OhU1]

Renbergs

I have a cashmere overcoat passed down to me from my dad who previously got it from his dad. People ask me if it is new and it must be at least 40 years old. It has a Renberg's tag on the inside. I wondered whether they were still around.

[GDC]

Did anybody say, "U-TOTE-M"?

"Ugh, You need 'em tires".

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Tastee Freeze

[MamaMia]

Wasnt that restaurant next door to the Cabana Swim Club called Buster T Browns? There was a pond with real water lillies around back. Thats all highway now.

My parents used to spend many a Friday night at Christophers. I babysat my siblings. The waitress there knew my voice. Lord only knows how many calls she got from teenagers saying..."Is my mom and Dad still there?" :P

Across The Street restaurant on 39th had the best curly fries.

[SoonerProphet]

Amspatcher's (spelling?), now some pizza joint on Lindsey, used to have the best beef jerkey. Went to McKinley elementary with a daughter, Peaches Amspatcher. That was before we moved to tejas in the early 80's.

[MamaMia]

OUSAEmom, I remember Penn Square being an outdoor mall... I grew up in Shattuck, so a trip to "The City" was quite a big deal.
My husband grew up right down the highway from ya'll in Woodward, and his family did the same each year. I remember Christmas shopping there in the snow, with all the beautiful decorations outside. They had speakers playing Christmas music. The song "Silver Bells" reminds me of those days at Penn Square. :)

[MamaMia]

OUSAEmom, I remember Penn Square being an outdoor mall... I grew up in Shattuck, so a trip to "The City" was quite a big deal.
My husband grew up right down the highway from ya'll in Woodward, and his family did the same each year. I remember Christmas shopping there in the snow, with all the beautiful decorations outside. They had speakers playing Christmas music. The song "Silver Bells" reminds me of those days at Penn Square. :)

Oh, anyone remember the Adairs Cafeteria with the fish tanks?

[IB4OU2]

Amspatcher's (spelling?), now some pizza joint on Lindsey, used to have the best beef jerkey. Went to McKinley elementary with a daughter, Peaches Amspatcher. That was before we moved to tejas in the early 80's.

Hey, I'm a Mckinley grad too! Except I graduated in 66......:O

[RiddlerOK]

Piggly Wiggly grocery stores. I think this was my dad's first "big" job. He was the produce guy or something. Un-interesting story: I was at the nursing home visiting my grandmother (dad's mom) and some lady steps out of one of the rooms and speaks to me. She asked if I was (my dad's name)'s son and I said yes. She recognized me and his mother, she worked at Piggly Wiggly with him about 40 years ago. :eek:

AIM. Anyone have one of these? We had one in Muskogee...kinda similar to a Wal Mart.

There's one at the SE corner of Bryant and Memorial in far norther OKC/southern Edmond. :)

[OhU1]

Amspatcher's

I don't remember the place except that OU corporations law professor Long (forgot his first name, big older guy with a burr that was nick named Big Bart Simpson) would refer to Amspatcher's and "the green stuff" (referring to pot) and burst out in blubbering laughter. Apparently Amspatcher's shut down due to some criminal deals involving drugs. I not familiar with the story.

[RiddlerOK]

Tastee Freeze

Had one of these in Bristow when I was in HS.

There's one still in Eufaula. They make great Boston Shakes.

[picasso]

"Ugh, You need 'em tires".
haha! beat me to it.

[Fish]

Lewis Myer's Bookshelf
Daryl's doughnuts
DX Gas Stations
Burger Chef

[PeoriaSooner]

OMG! I moved to Phoenix 14 years ago when I was 22 and not even my family has made me miss Tulsa as much as this thread has.

OTASCO was like the best place to get a bike.
Looboyle's was the best place for fishing / hunting gear.


Is Sutphen's BBQ still open east of Southroads mall?

[Soonrboy]

Anyone ever buy their school jeans at a Bayouths? There was one in Skiatook and one in Sapulpa..not sure where else...

[King Crimson]

i used to go to Amspacher's with my dad on game day. we always got turkey sammiches with hot/spicy mustard. i think Mark Amspacher owns the Diner on Main. i think Mark's his name.

there's still Safeway in Colorado, but are not great stores....by any means.

[OKC Sooner]

I liked the original Beverly's, which became Jeff's, which is now a Walgreens.

And my favorite memory of Eleanor Kamber was when she came on television during the mid-to-late sixties rubbing her facial muscles with a snarling shiny chrome bullet vibrator, talking about what a wonderful relaxion device it was. I was sitting in a dorm room at OBU with a bunch of other neer-do-wells, and we all about passed out from laughing. I mean, we were just young preacherboys and doctors-to-be and even WE knew that those vibrators were really for. I've always wondered, did Eleanor know and decide to advertise them for the profit anyway, or was she truly clueless? What's your opinion??

[picasso]

OMG! I moved to Phoenix 14 years ago when I was 22 and not even my family has made me miss Tulsa as much as this thread has.

OTASCO was like the best place to get a bike.
Looboyle's was the best place for fishing / hunting gear.


Is Sutphen's BBQ still open east of Southroads mall?
we're the same age bro, and Sutphen's rolled out about 9 years ago. they had the best onion rings everrrrrrrr.

[picasso]

Anyone ever buy their school jeans at a Bayouths? There was one in Skiatook and one in Sapulpa..not sure where else...
Collinsville, also one in Cleveland and Hominy. Good people the Bayouths.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Does anyone remember the carriers hot dogs came in at A&W?

[47straight]

Oh yeah, don't forget those S&H Green Stamps Redemption Centers where your mom took those comic book paper booklets in which she had stuck all her Green Stamps from the weekly visits to Safeway or Humpty Dumpty and redeemed them for cool stuff like dishes and tricycles.

Heck yes! We got a weedeater with ours.

[47straight]

There's a Ken's Pizza still in Prague.

I got all my cool star wars toys from Otasco. I miss that store.

[soonerbrat]

Does anyone remember the carriers hot dogs came in at A&W?



:confused:

[BoogercountySooner]

Met my wife at Cleves Sinclair on the corner of Flood and Main in Norman
Had an cousin that worked at Greanleaf grocery on Porter
What was the name of the BBQ joint on Porter just North of Main at the curve?
Remember the Heisman Square shopping center
IS Boomerang still around?
Remember the Rancho Drive in.
How about Peoples Restaraunt west of the Mall.
Is Wackers still in Norman?

[King Crimson]

Met my wife at Cleves Sinclair on the corner of Flood and Main in Norman
Had an cousin that worked at Greanleaf grocery on Porter
What was the name of the BBQ joint on Porter just North of Main at the curve?
Remember the Heisman Square shopping center
IS Boomerang still around?
Remember the Rancho Drive in.
How about Peoples Restaraunt west of the Mall.
Is Wackers still in Norman?

Wackers closed about 10 years ago, maybe more. i bought a straw fedora at their closing sale. still got it.

there's a new "Boomerang" on Main where the 7 knights steakhouse used to be.....but i've never been there. was the Rancho the drive in on the highway 9 turnoff or the one out in northeast Norman?

[BoogercountySooner]

Rancho was at Alameda and 12th

[Getem]

Rex's Boneless Fried Chicken on 11th st. My whole family was in awe of it. Heck, it may still be there

[picasso]

Rex's Boneless Fried Chicken on 11th st. My whole family was in awe of it. Heck, it may still be there
gone.

I used to meal on that place, one on Brookside and the one out at 71st and Lewis. good stuff eh.

[picasso]

if you go to the Steer Inn in Mannford you'll get some Rex's chicken. one of the managers used to run a Rex's and they have some jalapeno chicken in their buffet. it's primo.

[MamaMia]

I've always wondered, did Eleanor know and decide to advertise them for the profit anyway, or was she truly clueless? What's your opinion??
She really didnt know. She was clueless about lots of things. She had really nice taste in clothes. She always looked so pretty. She passed away in 2002.

[Getem]

if you go to the Steer Inn in Mannford you'll get some Rex's chicken. one of the managers used to run a Rex's and they have some jalapeno chicken in their buffet. it's primo.

Road trip!

[KC//CRIMSON]

In Tulsa:

Peaches Records and Tapes
Bordens Cafeteria - On the roof of the shopping center at Admiral and Sheridan
Dumplin's
The Golden Drumstick
My Pie
Hemi's
Crystal's Pizza
Sub Station

Nothing to really brag about, but KC still has:

Hardee's - still sucks
Godfather's Pizza - no where as good as it was when it first came out back in the 80's
Dairy Queen - still good I guess, but Sheridan's and Cold Stone totally pwn it.

[BudSooner]

Oertles (pronounced Urtleez).

More like on 15th?

Wasn't that Louboyles? west of Lewis? Next door to that BMW+Mercedes dealership(yeah in that part of town..heh)

Old school time-Bills Hamburgers on 1st just off the 244 onramp, how about when you used to be able to go into Skaggs and get your meds-eggs-and a 44mag pistol?
Wasn't there a Showtime pizza that Chuck E Cheese took over at the corner of 71st and Memorial on the Southwest corner by the Target?
How about Chick Norton(before Jim Norton)downtown? Dad was the bodyshop manager there back in the mid 70's...his frickin office was the size of your average bathroom. Come to think of it....the shop didn't have a bathroom, that might have been its original purpose.

OLD OILER PARK!!!!! Not that blue jungle jim that was put up after the demise of the old wood park...that thing was AWESOME!!

How about the old Warehouse Market downtown thats now Mazzios?
.5 coffee......those were the days.

[AlbqSooner]

In Albuquerque we have several Kicks 66 stations. The small print on the sign says Conoco/Phillips. Also have a Fuddruckers.
Is there still a Tumble Inn discount store in Muskogee?
Another bit of trivia. The second Pizza hut in the world was on Eastside Blvd in Muskogee. It was in a frame building that had been an appliance repair store, just north of Gibson.
Molly Murphy's is where 8 of us went after taking the Bar Exam. Great place to depart from reality while dining and drinking; which is precisely what is called for after enduring a two day exam that determines the rest of your life.

[Sooner_Bob]

Anyone else vacation at Dogpatch USA?

Springlake was awesome too.


When I was a young'in I was in love with Daisy Mae.

[BudSooner]

Oh crap, for all you all old timers in Tulsa...it sat on the same lot as where I work now...two words-

Handy Dan's

[Sooner_Bob]

Best thread evAR!!

[JohnnyMack]

gone.

I used to meal on that place, one on Brookside and the one out at 71st and Lewis. good stuff eh.

Ya know they opened up a place called King Chicken at 81st & Yale (down around the corner from Albertsons right next to Rib Crib) that was Rex's Chicken redone. It only lasted like a year. It was take-out only, no place to sit.

[picasso]

I did not know that JM.

and good call on Peaches, John. I still have a crate from there complete with logo.

[BudSooner]

Ever eat at Mings Palace at 21st and Yale? it's a soon to be Wal Mart neighborhood market.

[JohnnyMack]

Ever eat at Mings Palace at 21st and Yale? it's a soon to be Wal Mart neighborhood market.

Wasn't there a TG&Y in that strip years ago? I remember going shopping there with my Grandma back in tha day.

[picasso]

Still a Picadilly in Tulsa.
where at? I have vivid memories of waiting in line there with the fam. good good times.

[Flagstaffsooner]

I can't believe nobody has brought up Mother's Head Shop on 23rd.

[OUthunder]

There used to be a buffet style mexican restaurant in Moore in the 80's. Best Tex-Mex buffet ever, but I forget the name. :(

[afs]

my first 3 bikes came from OTASCO.

there's still a Godfather's in Enid

a Dairy Queen in Guthrie

Weinerschitplace and payless cashways all over the west

[BudSooner]

Wasn't there a TG&Y in that strip years ago? I remember going shopping there with my Grandma back in tha day.


Good call on that...almost forgot about that, also a Buds foods was there in the same shopping center(might have been a Piggly Wiggly then)and oh what was it.....Payless Shoes?

After Big Splash opened that place just died, that and the building was rotting, they are supposed to demo it in the next two weeks.

[BudSooner]

my first 3 bikes came from OTASCO.

there's still a Godfather's in Enid

a Dairy Queen in Guthrie

Weinerschitplace and payless cashways all over the west

Ha! Builders Square when it first opened was fuggin great when it opened.
there still is a payless cashways on 21st between Memorial and Mingo.

It's not a store or a eating place but the old Tulsa Speedway was great back in the 70's, it used to draw close to 10,000 weekly, but that sesspool out north cannot even draw 500 anymore. :(
Oh yeah and it had the best fuggin Bbq sammiches EVAR!

[bigdsooner]

way too many pages
anyone say frougs

[BudSooner]

Wells IGA in Owasso, I have officially got nuthin.

[OUthunder]

Gibsons
Safeway

[SoonerInKCMO]

Y'all are a buncha ****in' geezers.

;)

[OUthunder]

A&W

[KC//CRIMSON]

way too many pages
anyone say frougs

Yep, it was in that shopping center on the SW corner of 31st & Mingo.

Remember the mexican restaurant Monterey House?

[Shaz-Bot]

Arcades: Le Mans at Crossroads and The Gold Mine in Sooner Fashion

[OKC Sooner]

I can't believe nobody has brought up Mother's Head Shop on 23rd.

Not to mention Magnolia Thunder*****'s :D

[SoonerInKCMO]

Arcades: Le Mans at Crossroads and The Gold Mine in Sooner Fashion

Ahhh... The Gold Mine. I used to spend the weekends with my uncle and aunt in Norman and uncle would take me there all the time. After we hooked aunt up with her suitcase full of psychotropics, sent her to her nursing gig and uncle took some hits of hippie lettuce, we'd spend a couple of hours playing air hockey at The Gold Mine. Damn I miss those days. :(

[SoonerProphet]

I don't remember the place except that OU corporations law professor Long (forgot his first name, big older guy with a burr that was nick named Big Bart Simpson) would refer to Amspatcher's and "the green stuff" (referring to pot) and burst out in blubbering laughter. Apparently Amspatcher's shut down due to some criminal deals involving drugs. I not familiar with the story.

Interesting, wonder if you could find any stories about that in an old Norman Transcript. I also wonder if the bud was half as good as the jerkey.