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Mjcpr

1/14/2006, 12:22 AM

picasso

1/14/2006, 12:24 AM

doesn't Richard Dreyfus look like him?

Mjcpr

1/14/2006, 12:25 AM

doesn't Richard Dreyfus look like him?

I have no idea....I haven't checked the Celebrities Who Look Like Celebrities thread in a while.

GottaHavePride

1/14/2006, 12:29 AM

If he lost a lot of weight and grew a scruffy beard he might look not entirely unlike Richard Dreyfuss.

picasso

1/14/2006, 12:35 AM

http://www.tlavideo.com/images/catalog_gaybase/112562.jpg

Widescreen

1/14/2006, 12:36 AM

If he lost a lot of weight and grew a scruffy beard he might look not entirely unlike Richard Dreyfuss.
Well there's a confirmation if I've ever heard one. :D

proud gonzo

1/14/2006, 12:49 AM

damn it! I was going to post moon over parador :mad:

picasso

1/14/2006, 12:53 AM

damn it! I was going to post moon over parador :mad:
:P

KaiserSooner

1/14/2006, 02:32 PM

Speaking of loony dictators, here's another one. And another one with power considering their substantial oil interests...which include Citgo.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/13/venezuela.chavez.spain.reut/index.html

Well, it sounds like Spain and Venezuela will work their way around US protests over the deal.

BTW, Chavez isn't exactly a dictator. An authoritarian head of state, definitely. It's easy to forget Chavez was elected, re-elected, then defeated a referendum to recall him.

Okla-homey

1/14/2006, 02:33 PM

Well, it sounds like Spain and Venezuela will work their way around US protests over the deal.

BTW, Chavez isn't exactly a dictator. An authoritarian head of state, definitely. It's easy to forget Chavez was elected, re-elected, then defeated a referendum to recall him.

We should pay the Cuban mafia to take him out. They'll "cut up a communist real good."

Widescreen

1/14/2006, 02:46 PM

Well, it sounds like Spain and Venezuela will work their way around US protests over the deal.

BTW, Chavez isn't exactly a dictator. An authoritarian head of state, definitely. It's easy to forget Chavez was elected, re-elected, then defeated a referendum to recall him.
And you know those votes were legit. Jimmy Carter said so. :D

KaiserSooner

1/15/2006, 04:38 AM

And you know those votes were legit. Jimmy Carter said so. :D

Heh. ;)

Seriously though, in addition to being internationally certified, each of those elections were around the 58% to 40% range. So, I doubt there was much electoral fraud going on.

Actually, considering the poorer and lower middle classes are in favor of him, while the former power elites are against him, these numbers make sense.

So, in light of America's democratic principles, are some of you suggesting we overthrow a democratically elected leader? :D

Jerk

1/15/2006, 08:36 AM

Widescreen

1/15/2006, 09:22 AM

So, in light of America's democratic principles, are some of you suggesting we overthrow a democratically elected leader? :D
Only if they have oil reserves. :texan:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

1/15/2006, 11:29 AM

And you know those votes were legit. Jimmy Carter said so. :D:chicken: Appears that Chavez is a full-blown tyrant, capable of being a Castro with oil. Venezuela has forever been insanely jealous of the USA.

GottaHavePride

1/15/2006, 01:13 PM

Anyone want to make a bet that Hugo Chavez won't step down anytime soon, even if he's elected out?

Communists & socialists can't help themselves because their motto is "the ends justifies the means'

The world would be so much better off if every communist instantly died. They are worse than Nazis.

100 million dead and counting since Marx came up with his wonderful ideas.

In theory, communism isn't that bad. The problem is that it doesn't actually work in practice - it's too easy for someone to gain complete control and oppress everyone else.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

1/15/2006, 01:27 PM

In theory, communism isn't that bad. The problem is that it doesn't actually work in practice - it's too easy for someone to gain complete control and oppress everyone else.No *hit, Sherlock!!!

KaiserSooner

1/15/2006, 02:39 PM

Anyone want to make a bet that Hugo Chavez won't step down anytime soon, even if he's elected out?

Why would he step down? He and his policies are wildly popular among a majority of Venezuelans. And that's because his policies are focused on governing Venezuela as they see it best, rather than as Washington or the World Bank see it. Sovereignty's a b!tch sometimes :mack:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

1/15/2006, 05:28 PM

Why would he step down? He and his policies are wildly popular among a majority of Venezuelans. And that's because his policies are focused on governing Venezuela as they see it best, rather than as Washington or the World Bank see it. Sovereignty's a b!tch sometimes :mack:succs So, does this mean you will be advocating drilling in ANWAR(sp?), or easing the burdesome restrictions on drilling offshore in CA, TX, LA, FLA ETC.?

soonerscuba

1/15/2006, 05:35 PM

succs So, does this mean you will be advocating drilling in ANWAR(sp?), or easing the burdesome restrictions on drilling offshore in CA, TX, LA, FLA ETC.?

Does this mean you will be advocating federal R&D for alternative fuel? Or policies of conservation that even Bush is warming to?

Politics tends to be an ugly whore of give and take, and both sides are not truly wanting to give. Where it gets interesting is that the future is not in oil as we know it.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

1/15/2006, 07:42 PM

Does this mean you will be advocating federal R&D for alternative fuel? Or policies of conservation that even Bush is warming to?

Politics tends to be an ugly whore of give and take, and both sides are not truly wanting to give. Where it gets interesting is that the future is not in oil as we know it.We should undertake R&D, but the answers must make sense economically. The least expensive fuel continues to be oil, and IS the future until it can be economically replaced. The left, as usual, is trying to sabotage the market. Only your side is not wanting to give, it appears.

Widescreen

1/15/2006, 08:09 PM

In theory, communism isn't that bad. The problem is that it doesn't actually work in practice - it's too easy for someone to gain complete control and oppress everyone else.
You got that from Homer Simpson.

Communism will ALWAYS devolve into totalitarianism because it goes against human nature. The only way it will work is if everyone is doing the same thing - there can be no individual choice. So the state has to become totalitarian and violent to (try to) keep people doing what they're supposed to be doing.

KaiserSooner

1/15/2006, 09:05 PM

succs So, does this mean you will be advocating drilling in ANWAR(sp?), or easing the burdesome restrictions on drilling offshore in CA, TX, LA, FLA ETC.?

Of course not. But it is the current administration's right to pursue these things (and get them approved by congress) if they so desire. Which was pretty much my point.

Jerk

1/15/2006, 09:12 PM

Anyone else here not surprised that the libs are big fans of Hugo Chavez?

KaiserSooner

1/15/2006, 09:17 PM

Anyone else here not surprised that the libs are big fans of Hugo Chavez?

I'm not a big fan of Chavez. I'm just a big fan of countries in the Global South who have the cajones to turn their back on neo-liberal World Bank and IMF policies that may not be the best for their respective country.

soonerscuba

1/15/2006, 09:27 PM

Anyone else here not surprised that the libs are big fans of Hugo Chavez?

I'm not a fan, but the people of Venezuela have spoken for him and vice versa, c'est la vie. For example I don't like Bush, but I wouldn't call him a tyrant, because America chose him in 2004, c'est la vie.

And for communisms decline to totalitarianism, the same can be said for capitalism. In everything, moderation is the best course.

JohnnyMack

1/15/2006, 09:34 PM

We should undertake R&D, but the answers must make sense economically. The least expensive fuel continues to be oil, and IS the future until it can be economically replaced. The left, as usual, is trying to sabotage the market. Only your side is not wanting to give, it appears.

Thanks for your broad generalizations, you'll fight right in at the Church of Tuba.

JohnnyMack

1/15/2006, 09:35 PM

For example I don't like Bush, but I wouldn't call him a tyrant

OK, I will.

soonerscuba

1/15/2006, 09:37 PM

Church of Tuba.

Heh, but to be fair Tuba is for increased R&D on alternative energy if I am not mistaken.

Nobody expects an overnight shift, but I think we can eliminate foreign oil in 20 years if we have the desire.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!

1/15/2006, 11:52 PM

We need to have incentives for our domestic oil production, not hindrances, while continuing to try to ECONOMICALLY replace oil. No other policy makes any sense.

OklahomaTuba

1/16/2006, 09:37 AM

BTW, Saddam isn't exactly a dictator. An authoritarian head of state, definitely. It's easy to forget Saddam was elected, re-elected, then defeated a referendum to recall him.

Fixed it for you.

BTW, I actually deal with Venezuala on a daily basis. This is not a democracy, it is a tyrannical communist dictatorship, and I have not met one person from venezuala that cares one cent about chavez.

If you are on Chavez' black list, like about 1/3 of the nation is, you cannot work or leave the country.

I have first hand experience with trying to work around this because employees of my company, and their familes are on this "list".