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Zing
11/19/2005, 04:28 PM
Anyone have a screenshot of the Tech running back down before the ball crossed the plane of the goalline? I'm not looking for verification - I already know we got jilted, but I just want a picture I can parade around for a while.

nanimonai
11/19/2005, 04:45 PM
http://www.buckschildcare.com/parentresources/financialaid/financialaid.jpg

Triumph
11/19/2005, 04:48 PM
Here is a pic of the fourth down call....




http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8526/s20100034fl.jpg

OUGreg723
11/19/2005, 04:50 PM
It's funny how the ref immediatley called first down right after the play was ended like he was in a hurry so there couldnt be a replay. unbelievable..

OU is really quite pleasant
11/19/2005, 04:52 PM
yeap, yall got robbed

ruf/nekdad
11/19/2005, 04:55 PM
Anyone have a screenshot of the Tech running back down before the ball crossed the plane of the goalline? I'm not looking for verification - I already know we got jilted, but I just want a picture I can parade around for a while.


http://images.xtremeramblings.us/d/116-1/NoTechTD.jpg

Rhino
11/19/2005, 04:55 PM
It's funny how the ref immediatley called first down right after the play was ended like he was in a hurry so there couldnt be a replay. unbelievable.. That was really weird.

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 04:56 PM
Here is where he was down:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5280/down017ea.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down017ea.jpg)

Here is when he stretched:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5376/stretch012oi.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stretch012oi.jpg)

And here is where the ball was when he stretched:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6152/stretch023bx.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stretch023bx.jpg)

Partial Qualifier
11/19/2005, 04:58 PM
Nice work, Norm! and Triumph!

OUGreg723
11/19/2005, 05:01 PM
Here is where he was down:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5280/down017ea.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down017ea.jpg)

Here is when he stretched:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5376/stretch012oi.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stretch012oi.jpg)

And here is where the ball was when he stretched:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6152/stretch023bx.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stretch023bx.jpg)

Well, the ref is just to far away to make a good call.... PATHETIC!!!!!GAAHHHHHH!!!!

Sooner_Bob
11/19/2005, 05:02 PM
Too bad they didn't have another angle to get a much better view of that play.

oumartin
11/19/2005, 05:03 PM
I think Norm is saying it was a TD ;)

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:09 PM
Here is where it was "caught":
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/411/caught018zm.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caught018zm.jpg)

Here is where they were down:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/478/down020rn.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down020rn.jpg)

And here is the best shot I could find of the LOS right afterwards:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5356/los017gl.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=los017gl.jpg)


MAYBE they counted it where it was caught. He clearly didn't have possession though. How can you have possession when someone else has more of the ball than you?

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:10 PM
Oh, and that last one is just to prove that the yellow line was in the right spot.

OUGreg723
11/19/2005, 05:10 PM
Here is where it was "caught":
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/411/caught018zm.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caught018zm.jpg)

Here is where they were down:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/478/down020rn.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down020rn.jpg)

And here is the best shot I could find of the LOS right afterwards:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5356/los017gl.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=los017gl.jpg)


MAYBE they counted it where it was caught. He clearly didn't have possession though. How can you have possession when someone else has more of the ball than you?


holy coww!!

oumartin
11/19/2005, 05:13 PM
so it looks like after they called first down they moved the ball back a yard?
Norm you are confusing me..

bringit
11/19/2005, 05:16 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051119/capt.txlm10311192133.oklahoma_texas_tech_txlm103.j pg

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:16 PM
Oh my god.

No, I'm just saying that the yellow line is in the right spot in that middle pic. In the last pic we are lined up about where the yellow line was. Sometimes that yellow line is off as much as a yard, but it wasn't this time. Therefore, that middle pic proves he didn't make it to the first down line.

Unless they counted where the ball was caught. Then the spot was pretty right on.

sooner13f
11/19/2005, 05:17 PM
Here is where he was down:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5280/down017ea.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down017ea.jpg)

Here is when he stretched:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5376/stretch012oi.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stretch012oi.jpg)

And here is where the ball was when he stretched:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6152/stretch023bx.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stretch023bx.jpg)
Wow the ref that made the call is standing behind number 38 trying to look around him. The ref standing 3 feet away called no touchdown.

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:18 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051119/capt.txlm10311192133.oklahoma_texas_tech_txlm103.j pg
Wow. Any more of those?

Triumph
11/19/2005, 05:19 PM
Wow. Any more of those?


Uh oh.....

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:22 PM
I wish we had a clear shot of that before he stretched out so we could see if he was down.

Of course regardless, we shouldn't have let ourselves be put in that position.

GrapevineSooner
11/19/2005, 05:23 PM
Actually, if you look towards the top portion of the screen, you'll see the stick is actually about half a foot beyond where the yellow line is.

Which meant that they gave him a good 7 to 8 inches on the spot. :mad:

This is beginning to REALLY **** me off.

GrapevineSooner
11/19/2005, 05:25 PM
I wish we had a clear shot of that before he stretched out so we could see if he was down.

Of course regardless, we shouldn't have let ourselves be put in that position.

To a degree, I'll agree.

If our offense had come alive in the 2nd and third quarters, then it doesn't come down to this.

But OTOH, Tech had a 10 point lead in the 4th that we overcame for what should have been a win. So I'd be hard pressed to say the Red Raiders deserved to win this one as well.

the_ouskull
11/19/2005, 05:27 PM
Anybody have a screen shot of the TD where the guy ran out of bounds, then came back in and caught it and they called it a TD?

the_ouskull

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:30 PM
Actually, if you look towards the top portion of the screen, you'll see the stick is actually about half a foot beyond where the yellow line is.

Which meant that they gave him a good 7 to 8 inches on the spot. :mad:

This is beginning to REALLY **** me off.
I'm embarrassed to ask this but ... is that the "official" stick? Don't they only depend on one of the sticks for the official 1st down mark? I've noticed that many a time the sticks aren't at the same place on both sides and I don't know which one is official.

And I'm not saying we didn't deserve to win, I'm just saying that it shouldn't come down to that. We shouldn't have allowed them to drive down the field when the game was on the line. Bad calls happen, but youhave to overcome them.

sooner518
11/19/2005, 05:32 PM
Anybody have a screen shot of the TD where the guy ran out of bounds, then came back in and caught it and they called it a TD?

the_ouskull
i have no screen shot, but I tivo-ed it and there is absolutely no question he was a good 2 or 3 yards out of bounds.

GrapevineSooner
11/19/2005, 05:34 PM
Moral of the story is...

Make sure the game doesn't come down to one or two calls if you possibly can.

Because if you don't, the refs may very well screw you in the end.

Like today.

scotplum
11/19/2005, 05:35 PM
I'm embarrassed to ask this but ... is that the "official" stick? Don't they only depend on one of the sticks for the official 1st down mark? I've noticed that many a time the sticks aren't at the same place on both sides and I don't know which one is official.

And I'm not saying we didn't deserve to win, I'm just saying that it shouldn't come down to that. We shouldn't have allowed them to drive down the field when the game was on the line. Bad calls happen, but youhave to overcome them.

The stick that has the actual chains is the official measure. I couldn't tell you if that is the one or not. Tech made the first down "officially" by less than an inch.

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:36 PM
Anybody have a screen shot of the TD where the guy ran out of bounds, then came back in and caught it and they called it a TD?

the_ouskull
Honestly, I can't find it.

Mjcpr
11/19/2005, 05:37 PM
i have no screen shot, but I tivo-ed it and there is absolutely no question he was a good 2 or 3 yards out of bounds.

He was out of bounds, no doubt. But the question is whether or not the rule in college is the same is the NFL in that an offensive player cannot go out of bounds and be the first to touch the ball when he returns inbounds. Apparently, same thing happened in the OSU - Michigan game and there was no penalty there either.

TumbleWeed Timmy
11/19/2005, 05:40 PM
The official at the game said that Olomua was forced out off bounds..since he was forced out the play stands. Had he ran out of bounds untrouched the pass would have been ruled incomplete.


While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?

Didn't think so...

Widescreen
11/19/2005, 05:41 PM
...screw you in the end.
That's a pretty good description of what happened.

Rhino
11/19/2005, 05:42 PM
The official at the game said that Olomua was forced out off bounds..since he was forced out the play stands. Had he ran out of bounds untrouched the pass would have been ruled incomplete.


While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?

Didn't think so... You're making up a lot of new words.

Widescreen
11/19/2005, 05:43 PM
While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?
OK Timmah. I'll type slowly so you can grasp this.

I have no idea if what you're saying is true. However, your team got away with a lot of uncalled holding too. And none of this even closely compares to the gimmes you had in the last minute.

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:44 PM
Oh yeah - it was on the replay.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2341/out010aj.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=out010aj.jpg)

What if he was pushed out? I think he was pushed out.

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:45 PM
The ref wasn't looking.

Norm In Norman
11/19/2005, 05:45 PM
The official at the game said that Olomua was forced out off bounds..since he was forced out the play stands. Had he ran out of bounds untrouched the pass would have been ruled incomplete.


While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?

Didn't think so...
No, but I can make one of the false start that somehow went against the defense if you want.

sooner518
11/19/2005, 05:46 PM
While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?

Didn't think so...
Im assuming youre talking about Runnels's block, which looked a bit shady when I first saw it. On repeated viewings, he was in front of the player and his arm got caught a bit under the Tech player's arms once AD was 5 yards past them. A questionable holding call at best. I dont think you want to get into a dispute over holding calls with all the missed holding calls on Dvoracek all game

EatLeadCommie
11/19/2005, 05:47 PM
offensive line holds happen on nearly every play. I certainly saw your fat boy OL monster holding a couple of times, including once on a replay when the announcers were praising his play and he was clearly grabbing jersey on the OU DL.

Tech fans know in their heart that they were given a gift today.

tulsaoilerfan
11/19/2005, 05:48 PM
Im assuming youre talking about Runnels's block, which looked a bit shady when I first saw it. On repeated viewings, he was in front of the player and his arm got caught a bit under the Tech player's arms once AD was 5 yards past them. A questionable holding call at best. I dont think you want to get into a dispute over holding calls with all the missed holding calls on Dvoracek all game
Or all season; Dusty has been held up like he was a 7-11 Clerk this season. :mad:

soonercody
11/19/2005, 05:50 PM
Anybody have a screen shot of the TD where the guy ran out of bounds, then came back in and caught it and they called it a TD?

the_ouskull


I'm wondering the same thing Skull.

TumbleWeed Timmy
11/19/2005, 05:52 PM
You're making up a lot of new words.


You can have your spell lames...

I prefer scoreboard.

GrapevineSooner
11/19/2005, 05:54 PM
You can have your spell lames...

I prefer scoreboard.

Even if the scoreboard is tainted?

C'mon, just admit that your 'win' was helped along by two blown spots in the final 30 seconds and we'll be all cool.

sooner518
11/19/2005, 05:54 PM
You can have your spell lames...


Im not sure what you're trying to say, but from the pathetic grammar, syntax and spelling you use, it is quite evident you are a Tech fan

Mjcpr
11/19/2005, 05:55 PM
While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?

Didn't think so...

Ummm, yeah....you really want that call if there was one? I didn't see it but I'd give a testicle to have had them call it now.

SOONER44EVER
11/19/2005, 05:55 PM
You can have your spell lames...

I prefer scoreboard.
Come back when your players actually score more points than ours.

Rhino
11/19/2005, 05:55 PM
At least you used the right 'your'.

I applaud you.

Cam
11/19/2005, 06:03 PM
Yeah, cause TT's OL didn't hold once. Not once I tell ya. :rolleyes:

The official at the game said that Olomua was forced out off bounds..since he was forced out the play stands. Had he ran out of bounds untrouched the pass would have been ruled incomplete.


While you guys are digging up screenshots.. does anyone have the shreenshot of the blatent OL holding on AD's late touchdown?

Didn't think so...

Cam
11/19/2005, 06:04 PM
You can have your spell lames...

I prefer scoreboard.
Spoken like a fan who's not used to being there. Oh wait, you're not.

BASSooner
11/19/2005, 06:05 PM
I think he's just excited that his team won a "big" game. He'll be going on other fan boards talking smack. Then if his team loses, he'll hide like a coward. I would not worry about him. He'll be doing this every year I bet.

Statalyzer
11/19/2005, 06:06 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051119/capt.txlm10311192133.oklahoma_texas_tech_txlm103.j pg



Something is missing from that picture - his knee. Can't tell from that if he's down or not. He probably didnt' get in, but that pic is not conclusive.

TumbleWeed Timmy
11/19/2005, 06:15 PM
Ease up there. SoonerFans is my fav-0-rite board other than RaiderPower.

'Sides I have been banned from every other board except this one and HuskerCentral. Go figure? I am innocent I say!

All I am trying to convey is that: Bad calls are made, Missed calls are not called, close plays are reviewed, and the pendulum swings both ways.

I really didn't want to see the plays be that close. To be quite honest, I feel that the replay breaks can really stiffle a driving team's momentum.

If the ref's would have overturned that last touchdown the riot police we have surrounding the field would have earned their wage today. That much is sure.

Cam
11/19/2005, 06:23 PM
If the ref's would have overturned that last touchdown the riot police we have surrounding the field would have earned their wage today. That much is sure.
Hence the reason that it wasn't called correctly.

The officiating crew should not be the ones to affect the outcome of a game, period.

And yes, we did get away with a holding call on the AD TD.

the_ouskull
11/19/2005, 06:27 PM
Well, the thing is this: Refs are supposed to be a variable in a game, not a constant. We lost because we were screwed, not because "we shouldn't have let it get to that point."

the_ouskull

Scotty
11/19/2005, 06:30 PM
You can have the hold.

I'll take the blown call at the end.


we would have gotten another chance at it anyways.

soonerjace
11/19/2005, 06:30 PM
How could they rule A TD after seeing that??

soonernation
11/19/2005, 07:47 PM
You can have your spell lames...

I prefer scoreboard.


why is this ******* green?

Mjcpr
11/19/2005, 07:52 PM
why is this ******* green?

Spinach will do it I'm pretty sure.

OUthunder
11/19/2005, 07:56 PM
i have no screen shot, but I tivo-ed it and there is absolutely no question he was a good 2 or 3 yards out of bounds.


no doubt whatsoever!:mad:

OUthunder
11/19/2005, 07:57 PM
why is this ******* green?

look again.

oumartin
11/19/2005, 07:59 PM
he's now in the red.

oumartin
11/19/2005, 08:00 PM
I guess thunder and I hit him at the same time

tulsaOUfan
11/19/2005, 08:05 PM
this isn't about offensive holding or defensive holding or pass interference or anything. every game has no calls like these.

Vaevictis
11/19/2005, 08:09 PM
Something is missing from that picture - his knee. Can't tell from that if he's down or not. He probably didnt' get in, but that pic is not conclusive.

The knee isn't important. If *any* part of his body, other than his hands or feet touches the ground, he's down.

Just looking at that photo it defies belief that *nothing* other than his feet and hands had touched the ground at that point. No way anyone gets slammed to the ground in that position, at that angle, and the *only* thing to hit the turf is his toes. There's just no way.

Okieflyer
11/19/2005, 08:13 PM
Those pictures.........I gonna get sick again! :(

FaninAma
11/19/2005, 08:24 PM
Where are the freaking moderators tonite? Geebus, guys!

tulsaOUfan
11/19/2005, 08:31 PM
Here is where it was "caught":
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/411/caught018zm.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caught018zm.jpg)

Here is where they were down:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/478/down020rn.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down020rn.jpg)

And here is the best shot I could find of the LOS right afterwards:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5356/los017gl.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=los017gl.jpg)


MAYBE they counted it where it was caught. He clearly didn't have possession though. How can you have possession when someone else has more of the ball than you?
you can't call it at that point in mid air because no one had possession.

westcoast_sooner
11/19/2005, 08:43 PM
The knee isn't important. If *any* part of his body, other than his hands or feet touches the ground, he's down.

Just looking at that photo it defies belief that *nothing* other than his feet and hands had touched the ground at that point. No way anyone gets slammed to the ground in that position, at that angle, and the *only* thing to hit the turf is his toes. There's just no way.

One of the guys from Fox was saying that they "thought" Henderson way laying on someone else, thus, not down, and therefore a TD. But from that picture, I just don't see how that's possible. He was too close to the ground to be on top of someone - shoulda been called down - game over - OU wins.

85sooners
11/19/2005, 08:46 PM
i hate them refs muther ****ers!!!!!!!!!!

Partial Qualifier
11/19/2005, 08:54 PM
One of the guys from Fox was saying that they "thought" Henderson way laying on someone else, thus, not down, and therefore a TD. But from that picture, I just don't see how that's possible. He was too close to the ground to be on top of someone - shoulda been called down - game over - OU wins.

I heard that too, but the rule is "any part of your body besides feet & hands". There's no way he could've not had some piece of him on the turf at that point.

Dave Lapham has steadily gotten worse as a broadcaster, he was mealy-mouthing everything all day. On top of being Captain Obvious and Mister Buzz Phrase.

(still ****ed about those b.s. calls)

Texas Golfer
11/19/2005, 10:30 PM
He was out of bounds, no doubt. But the question is whether or not the rule in college is the same is the NFL in that an offensive player cannot go out of bounds and be the first to touch the ball when he returns inbounds. Apparently, same thing happened in the OSU - Michigan game and there was no penalty there either.

In the pros, if he's out of bounds for any reason (on his own or pushed by a defender), he is out and cannot be the first to touch the ball. In college, if he is pushed out, he can come back on and catch the ball. If he goes out on his own, he cannot.

OU-HSV
11/19/2005, 10:43 PM
In the pros, if he's out of bounds for any reason (on his own or pushed by a defender), he is out and cannot be the first to touch the ball. In college, if he is pushed out, he can come back on and catch the ball. If he goes out on his own, he cannot.
But in college he must come immediately back in bounds.

Soonerus
11/19/2005, 11:02 PM
Great picture work...it's conclusive we got screwed....

OklahomaRed
11/20/2005, 12:01 AM
:mad: I think the refs had been at the same tailgate as the TT fans. I've never seen a stadium full of more foul mouth drunks than I did today.

Soonerus
11/20/2005, 12:05 AM
:mad: I think the refs had been at the same tailgate as the TT fans. I've never seen a stadium full of more foul mouth drunks than I did today.

I'll challenge that with Cane fans and LSU fans...

jeffstar
11/20/2005, 12:15 AM
I'm a Longhorn and I've got to tell you...you guys got jobbed big time. First on the "reception" which was clearly an interception. Then the BS streetch, the kid was down and it was clear to me after many TIVO reviews.

Sorry guys and I've gotta tell you I wanted you guys to loose! Yet...ya really didn't. Seriously, not that you need my sympathy but for whatever it is worth :mad: you guys got jobbed.

Soonerus
11/20/2005, 12:17 AM
I'm a Longhorn and I've got to tell you...you guys got jobbed big time. First on the "reception" which was clearly an interception. Then the BS streetch, the kid was down and it was clear to me after many TIVO reviews.

Sorry guys and I've gotta tell you I wanted you guys to loose! Yet...ya really didn't. Seriously, not that you need my sympathy but for whatever it is worth :mad: you guys got jobbed.

How about the 4th down(28 seconds left)...the worst call of all...

nanimonai
11/20/2005, 12:39 AM
I'm not going to get into a limbo contest with that dude if his knee wasn't down.

UTisLousy
11/20/2005, 03:18 AM
If there was any year to get screwed by the refs this was the one. If this happens again in the future they better go into the witness protection program shortly there after.

soonerhubs
11/20/2005, 04:00 AM
Anyone plan on putting the video of this in a torrent?

Talus
11/20/2005, 09:32 AM
Did anyone see the roughing call on Rufus on the same drive? They didn't replay on TV, but I heard that was a shady call as well...and if remember weren't they 3rd and long on that play?

oufan199
11/20/2005, 09:59 AM
Well, I don't usually blame referees for a loss, but this one was different. About the only thing positive about it, if you want it call it that, is that we weren't playing a national championship game. Think how it must have felt for the Miami Hurricanes, thinking they had won the national title and then getting whistled for a phantom pass-interference penalty 15 seconds after the play was over. Not that I ever loved Miami or anything (too bad about last night's loss to Georgia Tech), but I just hate it when zebras decide the fate of ballgames. But that's sports. It wasn't the first injustice ever done (it is now 5th down and 1 for Colorado), and it won't be the last.

Scott D
11/20/2005, 12:36 PM
Did anyone see the roughing call on Rufus on the same drive? They didn't replay on TV, but I heard that was a shady call as well...and if remember weren't they 3rd and long on that play?

you can't make contact with the helmet of a quarterback after they've thrown the ball...it's an automatic 15 and Rufus already owned up to it being a mistake on his part.

Partial Qualifier
11/20/2005, 02:05 PM
http://media.putfile.com/KFOR

:rolleyes:

sooner n houston
11/20/2005, 02:54 PM
http://media.putfile.com/KFOR

:rolleyes:

This is the view the world needs to see! Where did this come from?

Soonerus
11/20/2005, 03:10 PM
http://media.putfile.com/KFOR

:rolleyes:

That's conclusive, he was short of the goal line until he bounced...

Zing
11/20/2005, 04:00 PM
Alrighty, thanks for all the pictures and the putfile movie. Oh, and thanks for the sticky! Made it a lot easier to find after the trip back up to Norman. (I was in Dallas visiting family)

SkipTracer
11/20/2005, 04:27 PM
Wonder what this idiot ump was looking at.
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/8054/down9ul.jpg

Newbomb Turk
11/20/2005, 04:54 PM
Wonder what this idiot ump was looking at.


I may be wrong, but I think it's the linesman's call.

StoopTroup
11/20/2005, 05:12 PM
Ump da Ump Dump.

After further review....

THE SOONERS GOT SCREWED ! ! !

Soonerus
11/20/2005, 05:15 PM
I may be wrong, but I think it's the linesman's call.

linesman was blocked by Wolfe but he called it anyway albeit late and indecisively...and wrongly...

SoonerLB
11/20/2005, 05:15 PM
Those officials didn't seem to have a clue there at the end. There is also that bogus TD call when the Raider not only did not have control of the ball, he flat never caught it at all. Hell the running back that scored that bogus winning TD just reached the ball out as an exercise in futility, he knew he was down, and wasn't even expecting to get that TD. It seemed to me that when they showed him during that review he started acting like he just got away with something. And by the way, does anyone know who the Texas Tech booster was that was reviewing those plays? We got robbed, screwed, and owned by that **** poor crew of officials! Hope the Tech boosters got the cash to them this morning, they sure earned that payoff! ;)

Newbomb Turk
11/20/2005, 05:43 PM
linesman was blocked by Wolfe but he called it anyway albeit late and indecisively...and wrongly...

yep, yep, yep and yep.

Eielson
11/20/2005, 08:20 PM
What ticks me off the most is that they show the game on highlights and act like they were the right call.

TopDawg
11/20/2005, 11:29 PM
Hey Norm, I think the official "sticks" are always on the sideline opposite the pressbox.

colleyvillesooner
11/21/2005, 09:52 AM
Here's the rule:


b. When any part of the runner’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the
ground or when the runner is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession
of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body,
except his hand or foot. (Exception: The ball remains alive when an
offensive player has simulated a kick or is in position to kick the ball
held for a place kick by a teammate.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2004/2004_football_rules.pdf

Page 75, rule b.

GDN
11/21/2005, 10:37 AM
Was quite amazing on Channel 8 sports last night in Dallas - Dale Hansen - who never gives Oklahoma much credit - ripped Instant Replay pretty hard. He used those 3 calls in the last minute or so as prime example as to how it does no good. Sounded as though he was trying to give us a little credit without having to say it.

Sad to see officials affect the outcome of a game such as this one - but at least it was this year and not a championship game as someone else mentioned. Texas should be watching next year - it should be a clean sweep of all Texas teams again the next few years. They should enjoy their one year.

soonerlaw
11/21/2005, 01:14 PM
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2412/techoutouchdown6wp.png

Here's another shot.

Scotty
11/21/2005, 01:48 PM
Well hes not actually down there...so........?

Eielson
11/21/2005, 04:06 PM
it proves he didn't lay on anybody though.

colleyvillesooner
11/21/2005, 04:11 PM
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2412/techoutouchdown6wp.png

Here's another shot.

That looks odd. Photoshop?

soonerlaw
11/21/2005, 04:40 PM
Its not photoshopped. I think it appeared in the Daily Toreador (is that the Tech newspaper?) at www.dailytoreador.com. I do agree in that it looks strange. It looks like #78 is getting his facemask pulled and that #69 (strangely enough) has his head stuck up someone's a$$.

As far as the TD, this is a tough angle because you can't really see where the goal line was. I think alot of poeple are saying he wasn't in.

colleyvillesooner
11/21/2005, 04:54 PM
Its not photoshopped. I think it appeared in the Daily Toreador (is that the Tech newspaper?) at www.dailytoreador.com. I do agree in that it looks strange. It looks like #78 is getting his facemask pulled and that #69 (strangely enough) has his head stuck up someone's a$$.

As far as the TD, this is a tough angle because you can't really see where the goal line was. I think alot of poeple are saying he wasn't in.


Check out this thread about the pic on Insiders...

http://mb12.scout.com/fouinsiderfrm1.showMessage?topicID=118944.topic

If you can't see it, here's a sample:

http://members.cox.net/n-gardner/play2.jpg

The facemask you refer to is also a hold by # 78 on the reverse angle.

Also, this:

http://x12.putfile.com/11/32411521244.jpg


Here I just took it into photoshop and decreased brightness -100 and increased contrast +43, you can see a halo around his back and under his but and around Ingram's shoe. Anyone can load it in and see the same. Notice how the halo around his backside cuts into the shadow below?

And btw, when you load in the image it has a photoshop color profile attached, so the image was in photoshop at some point.

You think a newspaper can't get a fake picture?

PalmBeachSooner
11/21/2005, 04:55 PM
Here is where it was "caught":
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/411/caught018zm.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caught018zm.jpg)

Here is where they were down:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/478/down020rn.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=down020rn.jpg)

And here is the best shot I could find of the LOS right afterwards:
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5356/los017gl.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=los017gl.jpg)


MAYBE they counted it where it was caught. He clearly didn't have possession though. How can you have possession when someone else has more of the ball than you?

I'm a HS official and in HS when there is simultaneous possession the play is blown dead and possession remains with the offense. I am not aware of any difference in college.

Rhino
11/21/2005, 05:13 PM
Two calls...

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8271/s20100039yv.jpg

TopDawg
11/21/2005, 06:13 PM
Thanks Rhino. That shows exactly how bad it was. That L dude is calling it incomplete. WHAT THE ****?! It wasn't even a pass!!! Maybe he's just making up for that bad call on the previous incomplete pass that was ruled complete.

colleyvillesooner
11/21/2005, 06:19 PM
Thanks Rhino. That shows exactly how bad it was. That L dude is calling it incomplete. WHAT THE ****?! It wasn't even a pass!!! Maybe he's just making up for that bad call on the previous incomplete pass that was ruled complete.

No, if you see the video, his hands aren't going from side to side, they are going up and down, like when a ref marks where the ball is down.

Here's the link

http://newsok.com/video/1682626/

OUGreg723
11/21/2005, 06:57 PM
No, if you see the video, his hands aren't going from side to side, they are going up and down, like when a ref marks where the ball is down.

Here's the link

http://newsok.com/video/1682626/

Good point. The Ref on the other side clearly saw him reach after he was down!! Why didn't the refs talk this over?? This doesnt make any sense and the pain has not yet subsided. AHHHH!!!

Rhino
11/21/2005, 09:34 PM
No, if you see the video, his hands aren't going from side to side, they are going up and down, like when a ref marks where the ball is down.

Here's the link

http://newsok.com/video/1682626/ Anyone with a video capture want to make me a little animated avatar of Eric Bassey screaming around the 2:20 mark?

I'll be your best friend.

tanjou
11/21/2005, 11:27 PM
Posted elsewhere, but I figured it belonged here as well.

http://students.ou.edu/C/Bryan.A.Cook-1/tech.jpg

Norm In Norman
11/22/2005, 01:20 PM
Allright - unstickified.

TopDawg
11/22/2005, 01:51 PM
No, if you see the video, his hands aren't going from side to side, they are going up and down, like when a ref marks where the ball is down.

Here's the link

http://newsok.com/video/1682626/

Thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)