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FaninAma
7/2/2005, 12:29 PM
With the recruiting successes both programs have had I think the expectations will be fairly high for both teams. I do think that the women's team has a higher chance of fulfilling those expectations simply because the players they recruited are dominating type players.

I think the men's team will do well but it's not a sure thing and if they underachieve I think Kelvin will get a lot of criticism....especially if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.

Harry Beanbag
7/2/2005, 12:55 PM
I expect the men to be a top ten team all year. Tournament success is so hard to predict though. Taj Gray should be a monster next year.

I don't follow the women nearly as closely, but if the Paris twins are really all that and a bag of chips they should be top ten as well.

badger
7/2/2005, 05:41 PM
repeat of 2002. both teams in the final four. woot!

FaninAma
7/2/2005, 06:57 PM
repeat of 2002. both teams in the final four. woot!
I think if the women can be consistent with their outside shooting they most definitley will be a final four team.

The men's team will need to be more consitent than theyhave been the past 2 years and they will need to open up their offense ala North Carolina if they are to reach the elite eight and beyond in the tournament.

GottaHavePride
7/2/2005, 07:04 PM
they will need to open up their offense ala North Carolina if they are to reach the elite eight and beyond in the tournament. Will we have a point guard that will be comfortable running our offense? This is, I think, the key.

PrideTrombone
7/2/2005, 07:34 PM
Will we have a point guard that will be comfortable running our offense? This is, I think, the key.

We have an offense? :D

FaninAma
7/2/2005, 08:54 PM
At this point I think it is easier for a couple of very good players to dominate in the women's game. There is just too much talent spread out over the division I teams in men's basketball for a team to be able to come in and dominate like UCLA used to.

Kelvin has some very good palyers but they are going to have to find some chemistry if they want to have the type of year being predicted for them(IE #2 preseason by CBS).

stoopified
7/3/2005, 12:22 AM
For the womens team Sherry has the role players in place and now here come the superstars.It is simply a matter of meshing them together.This year I think they contend for conference honors and shake the national stage.The following year could be the kind of year that books are written about and moviies made.( That does not sound too Schnelly does it?)
Kelvin also I think is on the road to good things.For all the flack his offense has gotten ( in many cases warranted) his team for the most part was much improved this year,My numbers aren't exact because I do not have the the stats handy but our fg% went from 41 to 48 and our 3pt % went from 34 to 37.We had our best inside attack in the Sampson eraand we return both Book and Taj as well as the young but talentedL2.
Walker could indeed be a key for this team but even should he fall short rember much of last year our best point play came from Everett.Sucess this year would help ensure our talented early commits realize that this IS the place to come and convince other young b-ball stars of the same.Neal,Griffith,Walker,Johnson,and Carter should come in and give us more athletic ability and flexibility in our lineup.
I expect to win another BiG 12 title and have at least a Sweet 16 -Elite Eight run.If it is not already obvious I gues I should mention my glasses have crimson lenses.Not apologizing merely explaining why I always expect MY Sooners to do well.

GottaHavePride
7/3/2005, 01:09 AM
Kelvin has some very good palyers but they are going to have to find some chemistry if they want to have the type of year being predicted for them(IE #2 preseason by CBS).
Wait, #2 in-conference or #2 nationally? Because I would tend to see a #2 nationally as being a tad overrated.

Salt City Sooner
7/3/2005, 02:17 AM
Wait, #2 in-conference or #2 nationally? Because I would tend to see a #2 nationally as being a tad overrated.
Nationally, and that's actually a downgrade because he had us first before Drew & LMac left. We are LOADED this year.

http://www.sportsline.com/story/8593178

tulsaoilerfan
7/3/2005, 10:44 AM
Expectations? Hell i will be thrilled if we don't have anyone transfer before the 06-07 season.

John

Scott D
7/3/2005, 10:49 AM
Will we have a point guard that will be comfortable running our offense? This is, I think, the key.

Hell we might actually have a point guard who doesn't try to be the tasmanian devil trying to run our offense.

GottaHavePride
7/3/2005, 02:39 PM
Hell we might actually have a point guard who doesn't try to be the tasmanian devil trying to run our offense.
Wow. Maybe I should get basketball tickets this year. Assuming I don't have a job somewhere else by then.

King Crimson
7/3/2005, 03:19 PM
I think the men's team will do well but it's not a sure thing and if they underachieve I think Kelvin will get a lot of criticism....especially if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.


i have to agree with this. 100% completely, and i don't like it; yet it's true about our fanbase.

but, on the other side, i think the Sweet 16 is the watermark for any OU team until we prove we can get there a few times more with differing core groups of players. the burden is on us.

i support Coach Sampson--i not one of those "the magic of Joe Castiglione" will bring some hot hire into here types and we win 30 games. Kelvin has been nothing short of fantastic for this university and the basketball program over the last decade.

FaninAma
7/3/2005, 03:34 PM
Sampson is a good coach and I am glad he is at OU. I do not think he is an untouchable at this point....meaning if you criticize him you shouldn't deserve to get called names and labeled a bad fan like you do on OUInsiders by the *** of a moderator they have on that board.

badger
7/3/2005, 04:32 PM
Will I see "Fire Calvin Simpson" (and not have the starter of the thread receive overwhelming neg spek) if...

1- Win Big 12 season, but bonk the tourney in 1st round
2- Win Big 12 season, bonk tourney in 2nd round
3- Win Big 12 season, win Big 12 tourney, any result in NCAA tourney
4- Lose Big 12 season to OSU, any result on both tourneys
5- Lose to Texas and OSU anytime during the regular season, any result on rest of the year
6- Lose to Texas or OSU anytime during the regular season, any result on rest of the year
7- At least three players transfer, any result during the entire season
8- OU is ranked below #10, any result during the entire season
9- A crappy team upsets OU at any part of the season, leading to the few fans in attendance from said crappy team charging the court, followed by the video of court charging showing up on Sportscenter,
10- OU goes to the Sweet 16, any result the rest of the year
11- OU goes to the Elite 8, any result the rest of the year
12- OU goes to the Final Four, any result the rest of the year
13- OU goes to Nat'l Championship game, any result the rest of the year
14- OU wins Nat'l Championship, any result the rest of the year.
15- OU wins Nat'l Championship and Big 12 tourney, any result the rest of the year
16- OU wins Nat'l Championship, Big 12 tourney and Big 12 season, any result the rest of the year.
17- Kelvin wears a pink tie instead of a red tie for "coaches versus cancer"

Will I see "Fire Sharee Kohl" if...

1-Any reason at all (name reason).

FaninAma
7/3/2005, 05:36 PM
For the womens team Sherry has the role players in place and now here come the superstars.It is simply a matter of meshing them together.This year I think they contend for conference honors and shake the national stage.The following year could be the kind of year that books are written about and moviies made.( That does not sound too Schnelly does it?)
Kelvin also I think is on the road to good things.For all the flack his offense has gotten ( in many cases warranted) his team for the most part was much improved this year,My numbers aren't exact because I do not have the the stats handy but our fg% went from 41 to 48 and our 3pt % went from 34 to 37.We had our best inside attack in the Sampson eraand we return both Book and Taj as well as the young but talentedL2.
Walker could indeed be a key for this team but even should he fall short rember much of last year our best point play came from Everett.Sucess this year would help ensure our talented early commits realize that this IS the place to come and convince other young b-ball stars of the same.Neal,Griffith,Walker,Johnson,and Carter should come in and give us more athletic ability and flexibility in our lineup.
I expect to win another BiG 12 title and have at least a Sweet 16 -Elite Eight run.If it is not already obvious I gues I should mention my glasses have crimson lenses.Not apologizing merely explaining why I always expect MY Sooners to do well.
I agree with your assessment but the Sooners still have games at critical times where everyone goes into a shell offensively or can't throw the ball into the ocean. I still think Kelvin is adjusting to a more open offensive philosophy. I understand the current assistant coaches have helped with the improvement in OU's offensive game.

AllAboutThe'O'
7/3/2005, 10:37 PM
With the recruiting successes both programs have had I think the expectations will be fairly high for both teams. I do think that the women's team has a higher chance of fulfilling those expectations simply because the players they recruited are dominating type players.

I think the men's team will do well but it's not a sure thing and if they underachieve I think Kelvin will get a lot of criticism....especially if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament.
The women's team will be much improved and the Paris twins should make a huge impact (provided they stay healthy, of course). I still think a Final Four this year may be a bit too much to ask but the following season should be reminiscent of 2002 (naturally with a better ending).
If the men's team gets beat in the second round again this year it will be a big disappointment. We got beat in the second round this year but, all in all, we had a very good season and we won the Big 12 regular season title. Plus, we advanced one round further than Texas or KU did, so that's not all that bad. :D
But seriously, the pieces are there for a championship (Big XII and national) run. We should be able to make it to at least the Elite Eight. That said, we shouldn't be spending the next few winters around here thinking about the next football season.

AllAboutThe'O'
7/3/2005, 10:41 PM
i support Coach Sampson--i not one of those "the magic of Joe Castiglione" will bring some hot hire into here types and we win 30 games. Kelvin has been nothing short of fantastic for this university and the basketball program over the last decade.
That's always been a good "what-if" question. Joe C. inherited both basketball coaches when he came to OU. If Joe C. had been at OU when Billy Tubbs left, who knows who he would have gone after? Probably not Sampson.
And I couldn't see Joe C. taking a chance at giving a high school coach the job as women's hoop coach. No way he would have hired Sherri.
Then again, if Joe C. had been at OU in the mid 1990s, he wouldn't have hired Schnelly or Blake, either.
:D

stoopified
7/4/2005, 12:41 AM
I agree with your assessment but the Sooners still have games at critical times where everyone goes into a shell offensively or can't throw the ball into the ocean. I still think Kelvin is adjusting to a more open offensive philosophy. I understand the current assistant coaches have helped with the improvement in OU's offensive game.Faninama I agree about the asst coaches and it has been my contention that is why they being older,more experienced and former head coaches were hired was to help offensively.
The hires when they were announced looked to be out of character for Sampson who usually hires younger coaches.
IMHO the next 2-3 years will tell the tale. KU appears to be going down at least somewhat, many believe osu will also when Eddie steps aside for Sean and we are already ahead of MU and I I think slightly ahead of UT.The time is ripe for both Kelvin and Sherri.

Harry Beanbag
7/4/2005, 01:58 AM
That's always been a good "what-if" question. Joe C. inherited both basketball coaches when he came to OU. If Joe C. had been at OU when Billy Tubbs left, who knows who he would have gone after? Probably not Sampson.
And I couldn't see Joe C. taking a chance at giving a high school coach the job as women's hoop coach. No way he would have hired Sherri.
Then again, if Joe C. had been at OU in the mid 1990s, he wouldn't have hired Schnelly or Blake, either.
:D

OU got lucky when they hired Sherri Coale. I still remember as a student the women's basketball program was cancelled, although temporarily. OU could not have gotten a better coach than Coale.

Harry Beanbag
7/4/2005, 01:59 AM
Faninama I agree about the asst coaches and it has been my contention that is why they being older,more experienced and former head coaches were hired was to help offensively.
The hires when they were announced looked to be out of character for Sampson who usually hires younger coaches.
IMHO the next 2-3 years will tell the tale. KU appears to be going down at least somewhat, many believe osu will also when Eddie steps aside for Sean and we are already ahead of MU and I I think slightly ahead of UT.The time is ripe for both Kelvin and Sherri.

I don't know about being ahead of UT. Barnes has recruited extremely well down there the last 2 or 3 years.

AllAboutThe'O'
7/5/2005, 02:40 PM
OU got lucky when they hired Sherri Coale. I still remember as a student the women's basketball program was cancelled, although temporarily. OU could not have gotten a better coach than Coale.
Have you noticed that the best coaches in OU history have never had a lick of college head coaching experience before being hired by the Sooners? Bud, Barry, Bob, Sherri all have that in common.
Yeah, it's hard to believe these days that the OU women's program was essentially D.O.A. and now it's been one of the more successful teams this decade.

snp
7/6/2005, 06:02 PM
I expect us to make it to the final four, honestly. We're going to be stacked and several of the other top teams have had a downgrade.

I have not a clue about women's, but I hope you're right so my sister at Baylor will stop talking about freken women's basketball.

SicEmBaylor
7/8/2005, 12:06 AM
I have not a clue about women's, but I hope you're right so my sister at Baylor will stop talking about freken women's basketball.

Sister at Baylor eha??

Hmmm....tell me more.

FaninAma
7/8/2005, 09:01 AM
If the women's team can find someone to play the point the Sooners will be in the final four for the next 4 years.