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OUthunder
5/5/2005, 07:52 AM
suck *** thread. Feel free to post anything about the team with the highest payroll in baseball who can't even beat the D-rays this year ...

Pathetic!

colleyvillesooner
5/5/2005, 08:39 AM
this should be like cat nip for gdc ;)

Herr Scholz
5/5/2005, 10:01 AM
I'd revel in the Yankees demise but I'm too depressed about my crappy Cubs. :(

GDC
5/5/2005, 10:41 AM
They're fixing to reel off a 10-15 game winning streak, mark my words. :mad:

OUthunder
5/5/2005, 02:04 PM
They're fixing to reel off a 10-15 game winning streak, mark my words. :mad:



With the Big Unit heading to the DL and the rest of the sorry *** pitchers that we have ...me think we screwed. :eddie:

GrapevineSooner
5/5/2005, 02:57 PM
You know, I suspect fans of the other 28 teams wouldn't mind a bit if both the Red Sox and Yankees missed the playoffs this year.

Enrico Palazo
5/5/2005, 03:47 PM
You know, I suspect fans of the other 28 teams wouldn't mind a bit if both the Red Sox and Yankees missed the playoffs this year.
enrico thinks the producers at baseball tonight wouldn't know how to fill three minutes of programming without boston and the yankees.

enrico knows peter gammons would certainly be of no use.

TopDawg
5/5/2005, 04:17 PM
GO PADRES!

OUthunder
5/5/2005, 04:22 PM
enrico thinks the producers at baseball tonight wouldn't know how to fill three minutes of programming without boston and the yankees.

enrico knows peter gammons would certainly be of no use.


Your post might be the first time ever that we actually agree on something!

OUthunder
5/5/2005, 04:31 PM
Watcha got against nickels Beano?

TopDawg
5/5/2005, 04:34 PM
Your post might be the first time ever that we actually agree on something!

Well both of you are wrong. You've got Web Gems, Touch 'Em All and west coast game updates. That's at least 3 minutes there. It's the other 27 they'd struggle to fill.

mrowl
5/5/2005, 04:49 PM
I predict Torre is forced to retire this year.

GDC
5/5/2005, 05:37 PM
I predict Torre is forced to retire this year.

I predict Torre elects to retire after this season, win or lose.

Scott D
5/5/2005, 05:57 PM
21-7 bitches! :D

GrapevineSooner
5/5/2005, 08:28 PM
Grapevine saw the autographs of some famous celebrities who have visited his favorite Italian eatery tonight. Including one Trevor Hoffman.

Grapevine thinks Enrico would like to add the autograph of one Mr. Hoffman to his collection. That is, if Enrico hasn't added it already.

GrapevineSooner
5/5/2005, 08:30 PM
enrico thinks the producers at baseball tonight wouldn't know how to fill three minutes of programming without boston and the yankees.

enrico knows peter gammons would certainly be of no use.
You mean like in '02 when the Yankees were beaten in the first round by Anaheim and American League baseball fans were treated to an Anaheim-Minnesota LCS?

Paperclip
5/6/2005, 01:13 AM
This is Jeopardy!

The answer is "three".

Ruuuuuufus
5/6/2005, 01:50 AM
From a resident Yankee hater :eek:

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/ny_papers_5.5.jpg


Whatever Happened to the Yankees?
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/SI_052791_yankees.jpg


It's Deja Vu All Over Again. But They're Fielding Another Lineup Tonight:
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/nyy_lineup.jpg

AllAboutThe'O'
5/6/2005, 02:18 AM
Well both of you are wrong. You've got Web Gems, Touch 'Em All and west coast game updates. That's at least 3 minutes there. It's the other 27 they'd struggle to fill.
Easy. Fill them with Nationals highlights. That would make Frank Robinson happy. :D

AllAboutThe'O'
5/6/2005, 02:19 AM
I predict Torre elects to retire after this season, win or lose.
BRING BACK STUMP MERRILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paperclip
5/6/2005, 11:48 AM
This is Jeopardy!

The answer is "three".

The question:

How many MLB teams have a worse record than the Yankees?

Scott D
5/6/2005, 12:03 PM
The question:

How many times Steinbrenner fired Billy Martin?

AllAboutThe'O'
5/7/2005, 12:18 AM
The question:

How many times Steinbrenner fired Billy Martin?
I'm thinking it was four. One after the fight with the marshmallow salesman :mack: , one after the '83 season, one after the '85 season and after the '88 season. Some people think Martin was fired in '78 before the Yanks' historic comeback against the Red Sox but he resigned. This was right after his infamous quote, "One's a born liar and the other's convicted," referring to Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner.

Scott D
5/7/2005, 12:21 AM
I thought he resigned twice...heh

OUthunder
5/7/2005, 12:57 AM
The only thing that the Yankees can field this years is whores on the road.

Damn we're pathetic!!!

mrowl
5/7/2005, 11:06 AM
If Steinnys horse doesn't win today, I feel bad for the Yankee employees, maybe not.

sooneron
5/7/2005, 04:19 PM
You wanna know how low the Yankees have sunk?
I got these tickets for free for last night's game!!!! Check'em out.

http://img195.echo.cx/img195/8798/jeteratplate8vc.jpg

a rare Yankee score as Jeter crosses...

http://img195.echo.cx/img195/8544/jeterscores8ha.jpg

OUthunder
5/8/2005, 08:55 AM
Sad!

GDC
5/8/2005, 09:10 AM
5-0 maybe the Moose started something

Scott D
5/8/2005, 10:01 AM
they still have Kevin Brown throwing every 5th day..don't get too excited :D

OUthunder
5/8/2005, 10:08 AM
they still have Kevin Brown throwing every 5th day..don't get too excited :D



Sad ...but ohhhhh so true. :mad:

sooneron
5/8/2005, 11:30 AM
Sad!
Yep 4th row just beyond 3rd base. Plus, some stadium club tickets all at 2:00 that afternoon.
Of course, the suck *** weather didn't help!
The little woman is crushed by this team's suckage.

GDC
5/8/2005, 06:18 PM
they still have Kevin Brown throwing every 5th day..don't get too excited :D

6-0, Brown 7 innings, 5 hits and Gordon loked like his old self

Scott D
5/8/2005, 07:42 PM
6-0, Brown 7 innings, 5 hits and Gordon loked like his old self

He's no Jon Garland :)

GDC
5/8/2005, 09:36 PM
He's no Jon Garland :)

I think the Sox have actually gone longer than the cubs without winning it all, more power to them. They're probably cursed for wearing those gawd awful softball unis they once had.

Scott D
5/8/2005, 09:45 PM
nah...1909 was the last for the Cubbies 1917 for the White Sox...although technically if not for Comiskey being a cheap bastard, they'd have swept the 1919 series and likely won at least 2 more with that team.

I like to think the god awful softball unis were punishment for throwing the 1919 series.

OUthunder
5/10/2005, 08:42 AM
Don't look now but the Yankees have won three in a row and are only 8 games out of first. :D

TopDawg
5/10/2005, 09:08 AM
Don't look now but the Yankees have won three in a row and are only 8 games out of first. :D

Thanks for the update, Jinxy McJinxerton.

BeetDigger
5/10/2005, 12:47 PM
All the Yankee fans come out of the woodwork when they play well, then retreat when the team is struggling. At least the Red Sox and Cubs fans are out there during thick and thin.

Paperclip
5/10/2005, 01:02 PM
You wanna know how low the Yankees have sunk?
I got these tickets for free for last night's game!!!! Check'em out.

I hate the Yankees, but I'm giving it up to you for those seats. Those are sweet.

TopDawg
5/10/2005, 04:07 PM
All the Yankee fans come out of the woodwork when they play well, then retreat when the team is struggling. At least the Red Sox and Cubs fans are out there during thick and thin.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Half of the Red Sox "fans" are only Red Sox "fans" because they hate the Yankees...especially in this part of the country. If it had been Toronto battling it out with the Yankees over the past few years, they'd all be Blue Jay "fans."

GDC
5/10/2005, 08:36 PM
Yanks win third and fourth games in a row behind Big Unit and Big Wang :texan:

OUthunder
5/11/2005, 11:29 AM
Four in a row ...it's a miracle baby.

GDC
5/11/2005, 07:40 PM
Four in a row ...it's a miracle baby.

five in a row, and Tino has a homer in each

BeetDigger
5/11/2005, 08:55 PM
five in a row, and Tino has a homer in each


Stupid Mariners.

OUthunder
5/12/2005, 09:13 AM
The Yanks only allowed 9 runs last nite ...there is hope.

sooneron
5/12/2005, 12:52 PM
They're fixing to reel off a 10-15 game winning streak, mark my words. :mad:
gdc > nostrodamus :texan:

TopDawg
5/12/2005, 01:38 PM
gdc > nostrodamus :texan:

Good call by gdc. I could've sworn that a week or so ago I predicted that the Yanks would go on a run because they'd be playing teams that were actually worse than them (maybe it was a different board). This stretch against Oakland and Seattle at home was a good chance for the Yankees to get some momentum built up...but the real test will come next when they hit the road and then face Boston at the end of the month.

OUthunder
5/12/2005, 02:05 PM
Boston reminds me of the Yankees (Championship teams) of a few years ago that had no real superstar but a bunch of solid players whose will to win was unmatched.

Herath
5/12/2005, 06:00 PM
Yankee fans are probably still a bit worried because all they've been doing is beating up on the AL West bottom feeders. The lion's share of their games will be against the very rugged AL East.

If they start winning those games consistently, then we'll know the Bombers are back.

OUthunder
5/14/2005, 09:23 AM
Another win and Mussina looked good.

GDC
5/14/2005, 02:35 PM
Good call by gdc. I could've sworn that a week or so ago I predicted that the Yanks would go on a run because they'd be playing teams that were actually worse than them (maybe it was a different board). This stretch against Oakland and Seattle at home was a good chance for the Yankees to get some momentum built up...but the real test will come next when they hit the road and then face Boston at the end of the month.

Bashing Oakland tonight, on their way to seven. They may not quite get to 15 in a row, but this little spurt will get them at or near .500 and they should play .700-.750 ball the rest of the way.

Herath
5/14/2005, 11:42 PM
Bashing Oakland tonight, on their way to seven. They may not quite get to 15 in a row, but this little spurt will get them at or near .500 and they should play .700-.750 ball the rest of the way.
I think .600 ball is a little more realistic.

OklahomaTrombone
5/15/2005, 11:20 AM
All the Yankee fans come out of the woodwork when they play well, then retreat when the team is struggling. At least the Red Sox and Cubs fans are out there during thick and thin.


You guys smell something?

I smell some bull****

and also...

Giambi hit by beer during game (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2060606)

OUthunder
5/15/2005, 11:42 AM
Giambi won't last the year unless Tino gets hit by a train and they're not able to push him up to the plate in a wheelchair.

Scott D
5/15/2005, 12:03 PM
Giambi won't last the year unless Tino gets hit by a train and they're not able to push him up to the plate in a wheelchair.

yeah, but how much is he gonna cost ole Georgie Porgie to not last the year.

GDC
5/15/2005, 10:21 PM
eight in a row, back to .500 :D

OUthunder
5/16/2005, 09:00 AM
heh.

OUthunder
5/17/2005, 08:25 AM
9 in a row Yankee haters!

colleyvillesooner
5/17/2005, 09:37 AM
:vomit:

Herr Scholz
5/17/2005, 09:46 AM
Down with the evil empire.

GDC
5/17/2005, 04:23 PM
I love it, ten in a row. :)

OUthunder
5/18/2005, 09:01 AM
TEN!

Go Moose.

TopDawg
5/18/2005, 10:46 AM
I love it, ten in a row. :)

This is a real measure of his predicting power. He posted that at 4:23 p.m. yesterday...several hours before the game even started!

:D

GDC
5/18/2005, 07:58 PM
This is a real measure of his predicting power. He posted that at 4:23 p.m. yesterday...several hours before the game even started!

:D

That's why I'm rolling in vDollars
:texan:


gdc has won a total of 4700
SoonerBoarder has won a total of 3195
roostercogburn has won a total of 2520
Phil has won a total of 2488
sooneron has won a total of 1625

Now if I had the guts to bet for real :(

GDC
5/18/2005, 09:36 PM
Looking like 11...

TopDawg
5/18/2005, 11:42 PM
Looking like 11...

DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND HOW JINXES WORK?!?!

Scott D
5/19/2005, 12:08 AM
DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND HOW JINXES WORK?!?!

heh

OUthunder
5/19/2005, 07:33 AM
f'in errors.

GDC
5/19/2005, 07:54 AM
DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND HOW JINXES WORK?!?!

doh
:O

Herr Scholz
5/19/2005, 09:22 AM
Lucky for the Yanks they had a nice streak there. I thought George was going to go postal when he got back from that Kentucky Derby disaster.

GDC
5/22/2005, 08:37 PM
Also, Clemens might be headed back to NY, per XM Radio Home Plate.



Left-hander Randy Johnson, expected to be the Yankees' ace this season, is 4-3 with a 3.94 ERA.
OSAMU HONDA / Associated Press
Yankees: New York fans are beginning to get restless
By Wire Reports
5/22/2005

View in Print (PDF) Format

Through nine starts Johnson's pitching anything but dominant.
NEW YORK -- Randy Johnson's performance wasn't awful. In fact, Johnson said it was a performance -- four runs in 6 2/3 innings -- that on some days is good enough to win.

But since when has Johnson, the sure first-ballot Hall of Famer and still the New York Yankees ace, ever been asked to simply pitch good enough to win?

"The bottom line for a pitcher is to give your team a chance to win," Johnson said following Saturday's 7-1 loss to the New York Mets. "I've done that a number of times this season."

But the 41-year old left-hander admits he's still not pleased with the overall results. Not nearly satisfied with his record which now stands at 4-3. And certainly not happy with his 3.94 ERA.

"To say I'm pleased with how I'm pitching," Johnson said, "I don't know. . . . I just haven't been consistent."

Yankees fans are still waiting for the dominant Big Unit, something that hasn't happened through his first nine starts in pinstripes. Most of his outings were similar to this one, not up to the standard of his dominant past.

"I don't have an explanation for it," Yankees manager
Joe Torre said.

There's plenty of conjecture as why he hasn't reached that standard, starting with Torre's assessment that Johnson's release point is off.

"Sometimes when your release point is too low (his slider) flattens out a little bit," Torre said.

Others say, judging by the radar readings posted inside Shea Stadium, that Johnson's velocity appears to be less than it was back in April, which Torre doesn't believe.

"Randy Johnson is the pitcher he used to be," Torre said.

Yet another theory points to Johnson's location, which his catcher, Jorge Posada, says "isn't there."

"It seems like he's getting too much of the plate," Posada said, a statement supported by the Mets' 12 hits.

Nine of those hits were through three innings as the Mets jumped out to a 2-0 lead. Two were by centerfielder Carlos Beltran, who said: "He was leaving a lot of balls near home plate. He doesn't do that."

Whatever the reason, Yankees fans are tiring of the excuses. It was presumed that Johnson, the runner-up for the Cy Young award while pitching for Arizona last year, would be well-served, facing the more familiar National League competition Saturday. Perhaps even rediscover his past dominance against the Mets.

But Johnson left after striking out just five of 30 batters.

"As a body of work, 'Am I pleased?' Probably not," Johnson said. "I'm just trying to win a ballgame. That's the bottom line."

GDC
5/24/2005, 08:11 PM
And eff all you ARod haters, he is this year's AL MVP.

mrowl
5/30/2005, 10:12 AM
Sat. May 28th.

Boston: 17 (27 hits)
Evil Empire: 1

Sun. May 29th

Boston: 7
New York: 2

:D

GDC
5/30/2005, 10:37 AM
You fair-weather Yankee haters sure have been quiet the last few weeks, haven't you? Two games does not a season make.

mrowl
5/30/2005, 11:13 AM
You fair-weather Yankee haters sure have been quiet the last few weeks, haven't you? Two games does not a season make.

Heh.

Wanna know why I have been quiet? They played these teams:

Oakland (17-32)
Seattle (20-29)
Detroit (23-25)

The yanks play a winning team at home, and get killed.
:D

OUthunder
5/30/2005, 02:50 PM
The Red Sux own the Yanks this year.

GrapevineSooner
5/30/2005, 08:21 PM
Heh.

Wanna know why I have been quiet? They played these teams:

Oakland (17-32)
Seattle (20-29)
Detroit (23-25)

The yanks play a winning team at home, and get killed.
:D
An inconsistent team at that.

The Red Sox have decided to revert back to the same team that got swept by Toronto last week. :mad:

Scott D
5/30/2005, 08:32 PM
You fair-weather Yankee haters sure have been quiet the last few weeks, haven't you? Two games does not a season make.

be fair...I hate the Yanquis whether they win or lose...and 99% of the time they are beneath my dignity to even pay attention to :)

Herr Scholz
5/31/2005, 09:24 AM
You fair-weather Yankee haters...
No such animal.

OUthunder
6/1/2005, 09:51 AM
I wish that we could give away Kevin Brown.

Herr Scholz
6/1/2005, 10:04 AM
I wish that we could give away Kevin Brown.
Well at least you got him cheap. :D

GrapevineSooner
6/1/2005, 10:32 AM
For the record, gdc, I'm a Red Sox fan that just happens to hate the MFY's. :D

TopDawg
6/1/2005, 10:36 AM
The Red Sux own the Yanks this year.

:confused:

The Yankees are 4-5 vs. the Red Sox this year and one game behind them in the standings.

Herath
6/1/2005, 11:33 AM
The Royals?

I mean, c'mon, Buddy Bell isn't Billy Martin.

Scott D
6/1/2005, 12:04 PM
The Royals?

I mean, c'mon, Buddy Bell isn't Billy Martin.

heh, he's not even Gus Bell :D

OUthunder
6/1/2005, 12:27 PM
:confused:

The Yankees are 4-5 vs. the Red Sox this year and one game behind them in the standings.


head-to-head.

Herath
6/1/2005, 01:14 PM
head-to-head.
I think he knows that.

But still, the Royals? Look at what the Rangers did to them. Look at what the Rangers did to the White Sox.

If the Rangers played in the AL Central they'd be leading this thing by six games.

Scott D
6/1/2005, 01:55 PM
I think he knows that.

But still, the Royals? Look at what the Rangers did to them. Look at what the Rangers did to the White Sox.

If the Rangers played in the AL Central they'd be leading this thing by six games.

how quickly they forget being swept before being the final stop on a west coast road trip :D

TopDawg
6/1/2005, 02:48 PM
head-to-head.

Ahem.


The Yankees are 4-5 vs. the Red Sox this year

OUthunder
6/1/2005, 04:33 PM
In previous years that would have been 7-2 Yanks. This team is soft and can't field worth the damned.

Scott D
6/1/2005, 04:49 PM
In previous years that would have been 7-2 Yanks. This team is soft and can't field worth the damned.

not to mention they still trot out Kevin Brown every 5th game ;)

GrapevineSooner
6/1/2005, 06:37 PM
In previous years that would have been 7-2 Yanks. This team is soft and can't field worth the damned.
Whoa, perhaps five years ago.

But since 2002, these teams have met 80 times with the Red Sox holding a slim four game edge (42-38).

Baltimore's going to wear out their bullpen by August. And just like seasons past, it'll be a two horse race in the A.L. East.

GDC
6/1/2005, 06:54 PM
Whoa, perhaps five years ago.

But since 2002, these teams have met 80 times with the Red Sox holding a slim four game edge (42-38).

Baltimore's going to wear out their bullpen by August. And just like seasons past, it'll be a two horse race in the A.L. East.

Well then, Boston better find some starting pitching to go along with Clement, and hope he's the real deal for the long haul, which I doubt.

mrowl
6/2/2005, 06:01 AM
:D

Herr Scholz
6/2/2005, 09:33 AM
In years past, the Yankees could just go out and add to their seemingly limitless payroll and buy new players. I don't see them being able to do that this year with their already $200M+++ payroll. Their minor league system is also completely bare. The Yankees will just have to stand pat with their aging, underachieving team this year it looks like.

Herath
6/3/2005, 12:06 AM
Swept?

By the Royals?

mrowl
6/3/2005, 09:04 AM
damnnnnnnnn..... Buddy Bell isn't that good.

OUthunder
6/3/2005, 09:31 AM
The Yankees will need to dismantle this team after this season. We have no pitching and the hitting is pathetic. Defense? What defense?

Scott D
6/3/2005, 11:15 AM
The Yankees will need to dismantle this team after this season. We have no pitching and the hitting is pathetic. Defense? What defense?

Steinbrenner should just sell the team to some rich British guy.... :cool:

mrowl
6/4/2005, 02:53 PM
Uh-oh, Steinny mad...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2075561

My Opinion Matters
6/4/2005, 05:54 PM
Is there anything more gratifying than watching the Yankees crash and burn?

Yes, but most of those things are illegal.

Herath
6/4/2005, 06:19 PM
Watching the Yankees fold is great, but watching the Red Sox, aka God's gift to baseball, play like crap is just as fun.

OUthunder
6/4/2005, 07:21 PM
I hate the Red Sux more than the horns!

GDC
6/5/2005, 08:49 AM
I hate the Red Sux more than the horns!

not possible
:texan:

My Opinion Matters
6/5/2005, 11:05 AM
I hate the Red Sux more than the horns!

It's interesting how two people can be what seems to be the exact opposite of each other.

My Opinion Matters
6/5/2005, 11:06 AM
Let me guess, you LOVE your windows PC don't you?

OUthunder
6/5/2005, 12:50 PM
Are Sonny & Cher still together?

My Opinion Matters
6/5/2005, 04:06 PM
Are Sonny & Cher still together?

Sonny's dead.

Brasky7
6/5/2005, 06:46 PM
The only thing better than watching Pay-Rod and the >$2,000,000 Yankees get swept by the Kansas City Frickin Royals would be watching the Sox repeat... :)

mrowl
6/7/2005, 08:11 AM
another yankees loss...

Herr Scholz
6/7/2005, 08:50 AM
The $200M+ Yankees are now under .500. Georgie will fire Cashman soon but it won't help. I love it. :D

OUthunder
6/7/2005, 09:25 AM
Torre might not be far behind Cashman being shown the door.

This team sucks!

Herr Scholz
6/7/2005, 10:21 AM
It isn't really Cashman's fault anyway. He was giving his marching orders to go out and sign Kevin Brown, Jason Giambi and Randy Johnson for a bazillion dollars.

OUthunder
6/7/2005, 03:26 PM
Just a reminder ....................

The Brewers and Royals are bitch slapping the Yankees this year.

Pass me the bourbon.

Scott D
6/7/2005, 03:45 PM
george needs to fire the real problem......himself.

tulsaoilerfan
6/7/2005, 04:15 PM
george needs to fire the real problem......himself.
Truer words were never spoken; the Yankees are a team of aging, over the hill vets with almost no home grown prospects on the horizon. George's years of trading prospects for vets are beginning to bite him in the butt, and you only have to look at the Big Unit trade for evidence.

John :mad:

tulsaoilerfan
6/7/2005, 04:17 PM
It isn't really Cashman's fault anyway. He was giving his marching orders to go out and sign Kevin Brown, Jason Giambi and Randy Johnson for a bazillion dollars.
Don't forget Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright; they passed on Matt Clement, traded Vazquez and Nick Johnson, and refused to resign Jon Lieber. Yup, ole George has made some shrewd personnel moves in the last 2 seasons.

John :mack: :mack:

Herath
6/7/2005, 04:23 PM
Don't forget Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright; they passed on Matt Clement, traded Vazquez and Nick Johnson, and refused to resign Jon Lieber. Yup, ole George has made some SHREWD personnel moves in the last 2 seasons.

John :mack: :mack:Shrewd isn't the word I'm thinking of.

Scott D
6/7/2005, 04:24 PM
perfect is the word I was looking for :)

I know that Contreras for Loaiza has worked out great for him so far :D

GDC
6/7/2005, 08:36 PM
You haters sound as if the season is already over, when it's early June.

AllAboutThe'O'
6/7/2005, 08:48 PM
Truer words were never spoken; the Yankees are a team of aging, over the hill vets with almost no home grown prospects on the horizon. George's years of trading prospects for vets are beginning to bite him in the butt, and you only have to look at the Big Unit trade for evidence.

John :mad:
If George had never gotten himself suspended in 1990, the Yankees wouldn't have had the dynasty they enjoyed in the decade's later years. With George out of the picture, the Yankees worked on building up their farm system, drafting Jeter, Bernie Williams and Posada and making good trades, like Paul O'Neill for Roberto Kelly.
I see something similar to the late 1980s all over again in Yankeeland.

AllAboutThe'O'
6/7/2005, 08:50 PM
You haters sound as if the season is already over, when it's early June.
As much as I would like to see the Yankees crash and burn, he's got a point. If you want a history lesson, the year 1978 is Exhibit A.

GDC
6/7/2005, 10:32 PM
Yankees select Henry with first pick
Bombers take high school shortstop at No. 17
By Mark Feinsand / MLB.com


MILWAUKEE -- The last Yankees first-round pick to make an impact in the Bronx was Derek Jeter, who was drafted sixth overall in 1992.

Tuesday, New York selected another high school shortstop in the first round, taking C.J. Henry from Putnam City High School in Oklahoma City with the 17th overall pick in the First-Year Player Draft.

Henry was a two-sport star at Putnam City, excelling in both baseball and basketball. He hit .481 with 13 home runs, 41 RBIs, 52 runs scored and 21 stolen bases in his senior season while averaging 22 points per game for the hoops team.

But Henry, who turned 19 on May 31, may not make an impact at his natural position. At least not if his timetable for reaching the Majors is anywhere close to reality.

"I think once I concentrate fully on baseball, I think I'll surprise everybody with how good I can be," Henry said. "Maybe two or three years from now, I'll be able to make it to the show."

Of course, Jeter will still be the Yankees' shortstop at that time, as the captain is signed through the 2010 season. Jeter will turn 31 later this month, so he won't be vacating the shortstop position any time soon.

That said, Henry has been told by the Yankees that he will begin his pro career as a shortstop, though a move to another position remains a possibility down the line.

"I know he's there, I know he's a great player, but I'm not too worried about it," Henry said of Jeter. "I know I can play any position on the field, I just have to work hard to get the chance to reach the big leagues."

Baseball America ranked the 6-foot-3, 200-pound Henry as the second-best high school athlete in the draft, behind only Justin Upton, who was taken first overall by the Diamondbacks.

"We spent a lot of time scouting him, all the way back to watching him play basketball," said Damon Oppenheimer, the Yankees' vice president of scouting. "He's a guy that can play in the middle of the diamond, is very athletic and has the kind of skills that made him very attractive to us."

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Henry, who orally committed to the University of Kansas to play basketball, is expected to sign with the Yankees and begin his professional baseball career.

"It was a factor that we weighed," Oppenheimer said of Henry's potential as a basketball player. "But we were assured by them that he wants to be a baseball player. He sees his future in baseball and not in the NBA."

"I've always wanted to play baseball over basketball," said Henry, whose father, Carl, played in the NBA. "Basketball is something I'm good at, but I always wanted to play baseball. As soon as a deal can get done, I'd like to get it done and be playing in Tampa."

Some people have compared Henry to players such as Vernon Wells and Gary Sheffield, and he should only get better once he commits himself to baseball on a full-time basis.


C.J. Henry
School:
Putnam City High School
Position: SS B/T: R/R
H: 6'3" W: 205
Born: 1986-05-31 Class: HS
Scouting report:
Built similar to Alex Rodriguez. Similar kinds of ability. Puts some strength into a slightly uppercut swing. Home run power from alley to alley. Quick and agile in the infield w/ sure hands. Likes to run. Good instincts on the base paths. Makes everything look easy.
Scouting video:
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"I think I'm a five-tool player with a high ceiling and unlimited potential," Henry said. "I need to work on every phase of the game, get better everywhere. You can never be good enough. I'm ready to work hard."

"I don't get into comparisons, but he has very good tools, skills and athleticism," Oppenheimer said. "We think he has the tools, makeup and ability to be a great player."

Henry is the first shortstop selected by New York in the first round since Jeter, though he is the second infielder to be taken by the club in the first round in the past three years, joining 2003 first-rounder Eric Duncan, who is the third baseman at Double-A Trenton.

Henry said that third base and center field are his best positions after shortstop, though Alex Rodriguez is also signed through 2010, making the outfield Henry's likely destination should he switch positions.

"My athletic ability will allow me to play anywhere on the field. I can adjust," Henry said. "How hard is outfield? I've played outfield before and it comes easy to me. I don't think that would be a problem."

If Henry's talent and ability come close to matching his confidence, the Yankees may have found their next homegrown star.

Mark Feinsand is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

silverwheels
6/7/2005, 10:38 PM
Even though I don't like the Yankees, I hope Henry does well. Gotta support my fellow Pirates.

tulsaoilerfan
6/7/2005, 10:40 PM
You haters sound as if the season is already over, when it's early June.
I don't hate the Yankees, just George; actually been a Yankee fan my whole life.

John :mack:

Scott D
6/8/2005, 02:34 AM
You haters sound as if the season is already over, when it's early June.

nah I just enjoy every George meltdown when it occurs...since he's clearly 'never' the problem :D

OUthunder
6/8/2005, 08:00 AM
heads are gonna role soon in the Yankee family.

Herath
6/8/2005, 08:52 AM
Bashing Oakland tonight, on their way to seven. They may not quite get to 15 in a row, but this little spurt will get them at or near .500 and they should play .100-.150 ball the rest of the way.
Good call, gdc. ;)

I feel bad for Cashman and Torre. They aren't the problem. It's Steinbrenner's reckless spending that's put this team in trouble. What's really going to be interesting is when these superstars age even more and they look to the farm system, which might be the leanest in all of baseball.

GDC
6/8/2005, 12:31 PM
Good call, gdc. ;)

I feel bad for Cashman and Torre. They aren't the problem. It's Steinbrenner's reckless spending that's put this team in trouble. What's really going to be interesting is when these superstars age even more and they look to the farm system, which might be the leanest in all of baseball.

Like I said, it's early June, there is a lot of ball to play yet.

OUthunder
6/9/2005, 09:20 AM
OK, the Yanks won one, so it's time to reel off about 8 losses in a row now.

You know it's bad when your best pitcher is Mussina.

OUthunder
6/11/2005, 10:17 AM
So, who's getting fired this weekend in Yankeeland?

I've never seen this team play so poorly. Can't hit, field or pitch.

Pfft!

Scott D
6/11/2005, 11:03 AM
So, who's getting fired this weekend in Yankeeland?

I've never seen this team play so poorly. Can't hit, field or pitch.

Pfft!

Tino isn't playing why? :)

GrapevineSooner
6/11/2005, 02:28 PM
BTW...

Thank you Fox for forsaking the historic series in Chicago between the Cubs and Red Sox by delegating the Cards-Yankees series as your national game. :mad:

Whichever Fox network exec made that call really blew it, IMO.

Herath
6/11/2005, 03:49 PM
BTW...

Thank you Fox for forsaking the historic series in Chicago between the Cubs and Red Sox by delegating the Cards-Yankees series as your national game. :mad:

Whichever Fox network exec made that call really blew it, IMO.
Nope, not in Texas and Oklahoma. There are way more Yankee and Cardinal fans in these two states than compared to the Sox and Cubs.

You can thank Mantle and Dizzy for that.

GDC
6/11/2005, 08:41 PM
Nope, not in Texas and Oklahoma. There are way more Yankee and Cardinal fans in these two states than compared to the Sox and Cubs.

You can thank Mantle and Dizzy for that.

Not to mention all the years Tulsa had the Card's AAA team, that's why they are my favorite NL team, may evenings as a kid watching the Oilers.

OUthunder
6/13/2005, 09:32 PM
The Yanks are done!

Mark it down.

GDC
6/14/2005, 06:43 PM
Yanks to announce new stadium plans
Construction to begin in 2006 to prepare for 2009 opening
By Tom Singer / MLB.com


NEW YORK -- A new Yankee Stadium will move a significant step closer to reality on Wednesday afternoon, when the baseball club will join numerous political dignitaries in a media conference to announce formal construction plans for a replacement for MLB's third-oldest ballpark.

Yankees principal owner George Steinbrenner, New York Gov. George Pataki and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg are expected to headline the 4 p.m. ET event in the Stadium Club of the current park.

A host of other city and Bronx elected officials will also attend the media affair.

The biggest buzz will be over the unveiling of renderings of the new stadium, giving Yankees fans their first looks at the future home of their team.

Construction on the planned 51,000-seat park is expected to begin in 2006, and should conclude in time for the Yankees to move in for the 2009 season.

The Yankees organization has spent years developing plans for the self-financed stadium that will rise in Macombs Dam Park, adjacent to and north of the current field.

Those plans were accelerated a few weeks ago, when club and city government officials reached agreement on a memorandum of understanding covering numerous aspects of New Yankee Stadium's construction and eventual operation.

Only Boston's Fenway Park (built in 1912) and Chicago's Wrigley Field (1914) are older than Yankee Stadium, which opened in 1923.

Although Yankee Stadium underwent extensive renovation 30 years ago, the updated facility did not lessen the club's enduring desire for a truly modern ballpark with features common elsewhere, such as more luxury suites and wider concourses for fans.

Tom Singer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
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AllAboutThe'O'
6/14/2005, 08:44 PM
Nope, not in Texas and Oklahoma. There are way more Yankee and Cardinal fans in these two states than compared to the Sox and Cubs.

You can thank Mantle and Dizzy for that.
Dizzy's from Arkansas, he grew up in a town not too far from where I currently live.
That's another thing, the media market I'm in acts as though the Cardinals are the only game in town. One of the local radio stations broadcasts the Cardinal games and the TV sportscasters always talk about the Cardinals, not the Rangers or Royals, who are closer to where I live than St. Louis. I know the Cardinals have a strong fanbase here, going back to the Dean days and the Musial and Harry Caray days but I wish the Rangers would get more respect and a stronger presence in this area.

GDC
6/15/2005, 09:40 PM
Giambi walk-off home run, Yanks two in a row.

OUthunder
6/15/2005, 10:38 PM
woohoo.

AllAboutThe'O'
6/15/2005, 11:12 PM
Uh, guys, it was Pittsburgh you beat. :D

GDC
6/16/2005, 08:24 PM
Uh, guys, it was Pittsburgh you beat. :D

3 in a row

GrapevineSooner
6/16/2005, 11:44 PM
It was still Pittsburgh, gdc.

You don't see me crowing about the Red Sox winning 3 in a row over the dreadful Reds, do you? ;)

GDC
6/17/2005, 09:21 AM
It was still Pittsburgh, gdc.

You don't see me crowing about the Red Sox winning 3 in a row over the dreadful Reds, do you? ;)

Well, nobody's started an Official Red Sox Thread yet either
:texan:

OUthunder
6/17/2005, 10:49 AM
Johnson pitched well tonight ...bout damned time.

Paperclip
6/17/2005, 02:04 PM
Regarding the new Yankee Stadium, someone brought up the point that teams are allowed to deduct construction costs from revenue. Therefore, teams like the Royals, Devil Rays and Pirates aren't going to see a dime from the Yankees for a few years. I guess that's only the revenue-sharing part, not the luxury tax part.

GDC
6/17/2005, 10:05 PM
Cubs lose! Cubs lose!

TopDawg
6/18/2005, 04:03 PM
This will be the second time in as many days that Jeter (who is on my fantasy team) will be coming up with the bases loaded. Last night he came up empty. Will he redeem himself in this at bat?

TopDawg
6/18/2005, 04:05 PM
They just showed a stat: Jeter has 135 career at bats with the bases loaded and has no home runs. It's the longest such streak.

TopDawg
6/18/2005, 04:05 PM
2-0 count...get a good pitch Derek.

TopDawg
6/18/2005, 04:06 PM
GO BALL!!!!


GRAND SLAM!!!!


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

TopDawg
6/18/2005, 04:06 PM
I need to do this more often.

OUthunder
6/18/2005, 06:21 PM
J-E-T-E-R

Finally!!!

The Cubs used to be my team in the NL but trading Sammy and never trying to sign a good ****ing team with all the money they bring in makes me kinda hate em now.

Sad ...

GDC
6/18/2005, 06:41 PM
Cubs lose! Cubs lose!

OUthunder
6/19/2005, 09:49 AM
Bring out the brooms today baby.

SapulpaSooner
6/19/2005, 03:27 PM
Yankees beat the Cubs 6 to 3 and sweep the series. :D

OUthunder
6/19/2005, 06:29 PM
SWEEP! Bring on the AL East.

TopDawg
6/19/2005, 08:28 PM
Let's give a little credit where credit is due...me.

Scott D
6/19/2005, 09:54 PM
I might be impressed....if it wasn't the Cubs and Pirates :rolleyes:

OUthunder
6/20/2005, 04:00 PM
Let's see, can the Yanks beat up on the Devil Rays this time around?

We shall see.

OUthunder
6/21/2005, 09:12 AM
The Devil Rays own the Yanks this year.

Geez.

colleyvillesooner
6/21/2005, 09:48 PM
Yanks score 13 in the 8th to win 20-11. F'n ridiculous

SapulpaSooner
6/21/2005, 09:51 PM
:D

TopDawg
6/21/2005, 09:56 PM
Yanks score 13 in the 8th to win 20-11. F'n ridiculous

Rhino has Shef, A-Rod and Matsui in our fantasy league. They hit back-to-back-to-back homers in that inning. They went 6 for 6 with 3 homers and 7 RBIs in that inning alone.

Punk.

SapulpaSooner
6/21/2005, 10:16 PM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/NYY10806220302.jpeg

OUthunder
6/22/2005, 09:06 AM
Yanks score 13 in the 8th to win 20-11. F'n ridiculous



I wish that I could have been in Yankee Stadium during that inning. The place looked like it was shaking.

We really need to sweep this team from here on out.

OUthunder
6/23/2005, 12:00 AM
F'in D-Rays.

Rhino
6/23/2005, 10:55 AM
Rhino has Shef, A-Rod and Matsui in our fantasy league. They hit back-to-back-to-back homers in that inning. They went 6 for 6 with 3 homers and 7 RBIs in that inning alone.

Punk. I like using your team against you.

TopDawg
6/23/2005, 01:18 PM
I'm a Yankee fan first (and I'll probaby finish second in the league no matter what) so I still hope those guys do well. But the ideal scenario for me would be having Shef, A-Rod and Matsui strikeout or hit into a double play every at bat while Jeter hits a grand slam every time he's up.

OUthunder
6/26/2005, 09:30 AM
****WANTED****

A decent pitching staff.

TopDawg
6/26/2005, 11:28 AM
By no means am I a baseball historian, but this has been one of the most up-and-down seasons I've ever seen a team go through.

GrapevineSooner
6/26/2005, 12:30 PM
I'm setting the over/under on when either Torre, Stottlemire, or Cashman gets fired at July 10th.

OUthunder
6/26/2005, 01:05 PM
I'm setting the over/under on when either Torre, Stottlemire, or Cashman gets fired at July 10th.



That is guaranteed to happen and I see Cashman being the guy who gets the boot.

GrapevineSooner
6/26/2005, 10:21 PM
That is guaranteed to happen and I see Cashman being the guy who gets the boot.
I'd have to agree. Cashman's the man who put the team together. Albeit, I wonder with all the big names on that pitching staff, exactly how much input did Cashman really have in putting it together (hint, hint).

OUthunder
6/27/2005, 01:14 PM
You are correct but George isn't going to fire himself anytime soon unfortunately.

Pavano is the worst pitcher signing for the Yans since Kenny "small market" Rogers.

Ruuuuuufus
6/27/2005, 11:16 PM
Yanks' big wigs are taking a serious look at AJ Burnett while they are down in Florida. Burnett's contract is up at the end of the year and apparently Encarnacion might be included in the deal.

Os are also pursuing with a likely offer of Daniel Cabrera, Julio and Bigbie.

Burnett has great stuff (clocked at 104 mph this year) but injury prone and doesn't have the mental advantage to make him dominant just yet.

Cashman has stated he doesn't want to give up Cano or Wang. I don't think the Yanks will make this deal unless they start to get back in contention...otherwise they're likely to sign him in the offseason after they are able to dump the contracts of Giambi and I think Brown.

AllAboutThe'O'
6/28/2005, 12:18 AM
Pavano is the worst pitcher signing for the Yans since Kenny "small market" Rogers.
Where does Pavano rank on the Ed Whitson Scale, the gold-standard measurement by which all Yankee free-agent hurlers are judged?

OUthunder
6/29/2005, 08:14 AM
I think that I could hit a home run off of Pavano this year. What a bust.

OUthunder
7/1/2005, 11:41 AM
The Yanks should just start bringing up the prospects and let some of the overpriced players go bye-bye. You can't win with them anyway.

Scott D
7/1/2005, 01:44 PM
How many more of them will threaten to take their bats and go home if they are the subject of trade rumors like Whiner Sheff?

OUthunder
7/1/2005, 01:58 PM
He really has no choice if they trade him since he doesn't have a "no trade" clause in his contract. His best days are behind him anyway, so trade his *** for some younger talent that you've been giving up the past several years.

TopDawg
7/1/2005, 02:45 PM
Sheff took a pay cut to come to the Yankees. I can understand why he'd be upset that they're considering a trade.

OUthunder
7/1/2005, 04:20 PM
Sheff took a pay cut to come to the Yankees. I can understand why he'd be upset that they're considering a trade.



**** him. It was his decision be a professional or by a deck of cards and deal with it.

Scott D
7/2/2005, 12:11 AM
Man...that Shelton kid looks like he's the real deal...and it's good to see Bonderman having a good season.

Paperclip
7/2/2005, 01:37 AM
Ah, it's always good to beat the Evil Empire.

OUthunder
7/4/2005, 10:05 PM
The Yankees need some starting pitching and fast. The offense will come around, I think?

OUthunder
7/5/2005, 01:11 PM
Yankees 6
Orioles 0

Yanks on 2nd & 3rd no outs. :)

OUthunder
7/5/2005, 01:12 PM
OOPS!

Make that ...

Yanks 9
Orioles 0

Shef goes yard. :)

OUthunder
7/5/2005, 01:15 PM
OOPS again ....

A-rod goes yard.

Yanks 10
Orioles 0

AllAboutThe'O'
7/5/2005, 03:31 PM
They're making Rodrigo Lopez, a pretty decent pitcher, look like a guy that couldn't even go three innings for a JV team.

TopDawg
7/5/2005, 04:31 PM
This series with Baltimore is important. If they can climb into second place in the division heading into the All-Star break then they'll be in decent shape for the second half.

OUthunder
7/6/2005, 10:25 AM
I'll gladly take 2nd place at the break the way we've played so far this year.

TopDawg
7/6/2005, 02:23 PM
Exactly. Back in April it looked like the Wild Card would come from somewhere else, but it's beginning to look more and more like it might come from the East. I dunno, though, when the season begins to wind down and divisional play really becomes more frequent, the East teams might just beat up on each other and keep the second place team out of the WC slot.

OUthunder
7/10/2005, 09:13 AM
They MUST pick up some starting pitching! Scoring 7 runs against Cleveland and losing isn't going to cut it.

OUthunder
7/10/2005, 05:59 PM
Giambi goes yard again and the Yankees may be starting to actually make a move in te standings. We still need a center fielder and some decent pitching help.

Maybe we can trade for Clemens. ;)

TUSooner
7/12/2005, 08:56 PM
Yankees will win the AL east. (bastages)

SapulpaSooner
7/14/2005, 04:07 PM
This 4 game series at Boston is big. 3 of the 4 games will be on Tv two on espn and one on fox.

OklahomaTrombone
7/14/2005, 10:24 PM
heh.

Schilling comes in at the top of the ninth in a tie game.

Double by sheffield, Homer by A-Rod.

OUthunder
7/15/2005, 08:50 AM
Schilling is a punk. It's nice to see A-rod get a little revenge. Hopefully the yanks can win again tonight but with Redding on the mound, I have little hope for a W tonight.

Anything is possible.

On a side note ...the Twins organization were complete morons for letting Ortiz go to Boston. Probably there dumbest move ever.

Soonerborn03
7/15/2005, 10:52 AM
Schilling is a punk. It's nice to see A-rod get a little revenge. Hopefully the yanks can win again tonight but with Redding on the mound, I have little hope for a W tonight.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA..........











HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You're going to be lucky if he makes it through 3 innings. I can't believe you took that garbage May and Redding off our hands and gave us a decent reliever for them.

TopDawg
7/15/2005, 10:57 AM
I love it when a Padres fan talks smack to a Yankees fan. It's so cute.

OUthunder
7/15/2005, 11:25 AM
I love it when a Padres fan talks smack to a Yankees fan. It's so cute.



I agree but I'll be satisfied if Redding does go 3 innings w/o getting shelled.

GrapevineSooner
7/15/2005, 02:04 PM
Schilling is a punk. It's nice to see A-rod get a little revenge. Hopefully the yanks can win again tonight but with Redding on the mound, I have little hope for a W tonight.

Anything is possible.

On a side note ...the Twins organization were complete morons for letting Ortiz go to Boston. Probably there dumbest move ever.
But Schilling was right. ;)

Could you see Jeter trying to slap the ball out of somebody's glove?

TopDawg
7/15/2005, 07:39 PM
I agree but I'll be satisfied if Redding does go 3 innings w/o getting shelled.

Heading into the 5th, he's now made it through 2 innings without getting shelled.

OUthunder
7/15/2005, 10:37 PM
Heading into the 5th, he's now made it through 2 innings without getting shelled.



Time to release Redding ...tomorrow.

GrapevineSooner
7/15/2005, 10:41 PM
You might also consider sending your centerfielder back down to Columbus after his...umm...ill-advised dive on what turned out to be a stand-up inside-the-park three run homer by Trot Nixon.

OUthunder
7/16/2005, 12:46 PM
You might also consider sending your centerfielder back down to Columbus after his...umm...ill-advised dive on what turned out to be a stand-up inside-the-park three run homer by Trot Nixon.


I'm of the opinion that the Yanks will make no big moves and just take what this team gives them.

Wasted year IMO.

Soonerborn03
7/16/2005, 01:35 PM
"About three hours before their game against Arizona on Friday night, Padres players tuned in a clubhouse TV to the Yankees-Red Sox tilt to watch former teammate Tim Redding make his first start for pitching-depleted New York. There wasn't much to see, as Redding was rocked for six runs in just over one inning to increase his earned-run average to 10.57."



BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Soonerborn03
7/16/2005, 01:44 PM
I love it when a Padres fan talks smack to a Yankees fan. It's so cute.It wasn't so much smack as it was stating my opinion on the matter. Quantrill has been doing a nice job for us in San Diego. In New York, May has an ERA of 16.71 and Redding has an ERA of a whopping 54.00



I'd say my evaluation of them being trash is pretty close to true. Now Quantrill has pitch 8 2/3 and has only given up a run, and recently, he picked up his first win for the team. My opinion so far is that I'm kinda pleased with the trade. Plus, May costs a lot to suck :D

OUthunder
7/16/2005, 04:32 PM
YANKS TRADE FOR AL LEITER!

Bout damned time.

GrapevineSooner
7/17/2005, 07:53 PM
Yanks fans,

Send a thank you card to Hunter Wendelstadt for blowing that call at first on the double play.

Cora was clearly safe. :mad:

TopDawg
7/18/2005, 09:20 AM
I must admit, it is unfortunate that only the Red Sox had to overcome bad calls in that game.

OUthunder
7/18/2005, 10:07 AM
Yanks fans,

Send a thank you card to Hunter Wendelstadt for blowing that call at first on the double play.

Cora was clearly safe. :mad:



And the texcuses start early. :rolleyes:

It seemed to me that Red Sux hitters had a lot of balls called on them when they were obviously strikes last night. I guess it finally evened out in the end.

GrapevineSooner
7/18/2005, 10:30 AM
Water under the bridge.

And FWIW Thunder, I did heap some praise upon your newly acquiried pitcher for the job he did last night in the Red Sox thread (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41840&page=2).

TopDawg
7/18/2005, 10:36 AM
And the texcuses start early. :rolleyes:

It seemed to me that Red Sux hitters had a lot of balls called on them when they were obviously strikes last night. I guess it finally evened out in the end.

What about that called third strike on Williams that was at least 2 baseballs outside the strikezone on K-Zone? That was ridiculous.

I think it came in the same inning where Giambi was called out at first on a bang-bang play that was as close as Cora's.

GrapevineSooner
7/18/2005, 10:50 AM
Your point is well taken, TD. It's why I said at 10:30...


Water under the bridge.

GrapevineSooner
7/18/2005, 09:16 PM
And just so everybody knows I'm fair... ;)

Tonight in the top of the 9th inning, Schilling was pitching with a 3-1 deficit and a runner on 3rd and 2 outs. Julio Lugo for the D-Rays hit a bouncer to second that Schilling had to race over to first on to cover the bag. Bellhorn flipped to Schilling and it appeared that Lugo and Schilling hit the bag at the same time, so Dana Demuth called Lugo safe.

Schilling argued vociferously, the umps got together, and overruled the initial call and called Lugo out.

Which, predictable and understandbly, earned Lou Pinella an ejection.

The ONLY reason that call was reversed was because Schilling was the pitcher arguing it. Flip the roles and there's no way in hell Tampa Bay gets that call.

OUthunder
7/18/2005, 11:00 PM
Well ...well ....well ...look who's in first ****ing place this morning in the AL East?

Heh!

GrapevineSooner
7/18/2005, 11:22 PM
Well, Baltimore held the lead for quite awhile. Then the Red Sox had their turn.

They way we figure it, we thought it would be nice to let you guys have it for about a week or so. ;)

But we're getting it back.

tulsaoilerfan
7/19/2005, 08:13 AM
First place, beyonces; take that!!!!!!!! :D :D

GrapevineSooner
7/19/2005, 10:32 AM
Would you rather be in first in July?

Or in early October?

;)

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 10:42 AM
The Yankees still don't have the arms to make a deep run this year. And they don't have any way to get any either.

Soonerborn03
7/19/2005, 11:02 AM
And just so everybody knows I'm fair... ;)

Tonight in the top of the 9th inning, Schilling was pitching with a 3-1 deficit and a runner on 3rd and 2 outs. Julio Lugo for the D-Rays hit a bouncer to second that Schilling had to race over to first on to cover the bag. Bellhorn flipped to Schilling and it appeared that Lugo and Schilling hit the bag at the same time, so Dana Demuth called Lugo safe.

Schilling argued vociferously, the umps got together, and overruled the initial call and called Lugo out.

Which, predictable and understandbly, earned Lou Pinella an ejection.

The ONLY reason that call was reversed was because Schilling was the pitcher arguing it. Flip the roles and there's no way in hell Tampa Bay gets that call.Pinella had every right to sit out there for 30 minutes and argue that call if he wanted to. The umpire got the call right at first, but the home plate umpire is the ****** bag that screwed it all up. Schilling may not have even hit the bag and I assume that's what the umpires were disgussing. I don't think he did hit it. Plus, it was a damn tie anyway. The home plate umpire was responsible for the play being overruled.

Pinella pleaded his case to the first base umpire and he took his butt chewing which he should. The home plate umpire got two words from Pinella and he was already ready to toss him. The home plate umpire is responsible for the whole mess and his sorry *** wouldn't take any of the butt chewing. In my opinion, whoever looks over the umpires should give him a good *** chewing because he was being a bigger hot head than Pinella was in that situation. He didn't take any time to talk to Pinella and explain why the call was overturned. It just pisses me off to see the umpire screw over the D-Rays like that and then not take the time to calm the situation down. Pinella should not have been thrown out because he has the right to argue that call ESPECIALLY if it's overturned. I'm glad the D-Rays were able to take home the win because if they lost that game, poor Pinella would track that home plate umpire down and beat him to death with first base.

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 11:03 AM
The Yankees still don't have the arms to make a deep run this year. And they don't have any way to get any either.



The Red Sux have a less than perfect pitching staff as well. The #1 guy for the Red Sux right now is Wakefield. I'll take Randy Johnson over him anyday.

The #2, #3 and #4 starters are all a toss up depending on the day.

If Leiter can keep up what he did Sunday night, then I like the Yanks chances. They should release Brown or trade him for whatever they can get, aka prospects if that?

Soonerborn03
7/19/2005, 11:06 AM
If Leiter can keep up what he did Sunday night, then I like the Yanks chances. They should release Brown or trade him for whatever they can get, aka prospects if that?You'd have to eat every damn bit of Brown's salary to pull of a trade for that expensive and that ineffective of a pitcher.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 11:22 AM
You'd have to eat every damn bit of Brown's salary to pull of a trade for that expensive and that ineffective of a pitcher.

So?!

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 11:28 AM
The Red Sux have a less than perfect pitching staff as well. The #1 guy for the Red Sux right now is Wakefield. I'll take Randy Johnson over him anyday.

The #2, #3 and #4 starters are all a toss up depending on the day.

If Leiter can keep up what he did Sunday night, then I like the Yanks chances. They should release Brown or trade him for whatever they can get, aka prospects if that?
Neither the Yankees or Red Sox are winning this year.

The Yankees rotation is old and tired. No way they're good enough.

I don't like the Yankees chances. They will not be able to trade Brown. They have no more payroll room or minor league prospects. They are out of options and left with an aging team.

GrapevineSooner
7/19/2005, 11:49 AM
Pinella had every right to sit out there for 30 minutes and argue that call if he wanted to. The umpire got the call right at first, but the home plate umpire is the ****** bag that screwed it all up. Schilling may not have even hit the bag and I assume that's what the umpires were disgussing. I don't think he did hit it. Plus, it was a damn tie anyway. The home plate umpire was responsible for the play being overruled.

Pinella pleaded his case to the first base umpire and he took his butt chewing which he should. The home plate umpire got two words from Pinella and he was already ready to toss him. The home plate umpire is responsible for the whole mess and his sorry *** wouldn't take any of the butt chewing. In my opinion, whoever looks over the umpires should give him a good *** chewing because he was being a bigger hot head than Pinella was in that situation. He didn't take any time to talk to Pinella and explain why the call was overturned. It just pisses me off to see the umpire screw over the D-Rays like that and then not take the time to calm the situation down. Pinella should not have been thrown out because he has the right to argue that call ESPECIALLY if it's overturned. I'm glad the D-Rays were able to take home the win because if they lost that game, poor Pinella would track that home plate umpire down and beat him to death with first base.
The home plate ump should be suspended for a series or two by MLB for royally screwing the D-Rays on that play. It would be one thing if the first base ump completley blew the call and everyone in the ballpark knew it.

As it were, replays showed it was probably a tie. And given how close the call was, you've got to allow the first base ump to make the call.

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 11:58 AM
You'd have to eat every damn bit of Brown's salary to pull of a trade for that expensive and that ineffective of a pitcher.


You are correct but to Steinbrenner it's like you and I finding a penny in our couch while cleaning.

GrapevineSooner
7/19/2005, 12:43 PM
"Money an obstacle to trading away Kevin Brown? Hahahahahahahahaha!'
-George S.

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 12:52 PM
I doubt Georgie Porgie is going to add to this bloated payroll. BTW, how equitable is this? It's ridiculously unfair. The Phillies are 5th in the league in payroll and still $112M+ under the Yankees.


1 New York Yankees $208,306,817
2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125
3 New York Mets $101,305,821
4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322
5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000


http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

GrapevineSooner
7/19/2005, 01:18 PM
Blame the other owners and the MLBPA, Herr.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.

For all the crap people give Steinbrenner about having a bloated payroll, every die hard baseball fan would give their left nut for their owner to have half the passion for winning he brings to the Yankees and the willingness to spend.

Hell, I wish Tom Hicks had 25% of the passion Steinbrenner has. As it were, he cares more about the bottom line than he does fielding a team that can realistically compete for a championship.

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 02:29 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GrapevineSooner again.


TRUE.

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 02:37 PM
Blame the other owners and the MLBPA, Herr.
I do blame the players' association. It's their fault. It's not a fair system. I don't blame the owners as much as you because not one other of these owners has the resources George does. Not one. And while I do admit that Steinbrenner has a great passion for winning, I also submit to you that all the bandwagon fans that pull for the Yankees suck mightily. It's like pulling for the United States vs. Angola in olympic basketball if you're from China.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 02:39 PM
Grapevine is consistent on this matter. And I agree with him.

What exactly is fair?

It's fair because he's playing by the rules that they agreed on.
It's fair because he's spending money that his team is earning.
It's unfair because the market they are in allows them to make more money than the other markets other teams are in and the agreement they have now allows him to spend it on the "best" players (or names) in the league while other teams can't afford such a luxury.

If they change the agreement...

He'll have to change his philosophy. That's neither fair nor unfair.
It'll be fair because it'll even out the playing field by allowing other teams to use money made in his market.
It's unfair because it's allowing other teams to spend money made by his team in his market with his money.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 02:42 PM
I do blame the players' association. It's their fault. It's not a fair system. I don't blame the owners as much as you because not one other of these owners has the resources George does. Not one. And while I do admit that Steinbrenner has a great passion for winning, I also submit to you that all the bandwagon fans that pull for the Yankees suck mightily. It's like pulling for the United States vs. Angola in olympic basketball if you're from China.

If this was a political debate, Tuba would take that to mean that cheering against the Yankees is un-American.

It would be the first time that his inability to comprehend what was written led him to a correct conclusion.

;)

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 02:54 PM
Grapevine is consistent on this matter. And I agree with him.

What exactly is fair?

It's fair because he's playing by the rules that they agreed on.
It's fair because he's spending money that his team is earning.
It's unfair because the market they are in allows them to make more money than the other markets other teams are in and the agreement they have now allows him to spend it on the "best" players (or names) in the league while other teams can't afford such a luxury.

If they change the agreement...

He'll have to change his philosophy. That's neither fair nor unfair.
It'll be fair because it'll even out the playing field by allowing other teams to use money made in his market.
It's unfair because it's allowing other teams to spend money made by his team in his market with his money.



Excellent post. People are just pissed that the Yanks win. I supported the Yanks during the Mattingly era and have ever since. Talk about about being a loyal, frustrated fan!

Soonerborn03
7/19/2005, 03:08 PM
Excellent post. People are just pissed that the Yanks win. I supported the Yanks during the Mattingly era and have ever since. Talk about about being a loyal, frustrated fan!*clears throat*...... I believe there are still Padres fans on this board. Your team has only had 7 losing seasons since 1969 when the Padres were created. The Padres on the other hand have had 10 WINNING seasons since being created. I'd say you have less to complain about than about the rest of baseball. Your hardest days are nowhere near the hardest days of a Padres fan and I doubt the Yankees have ever gone through a fire sale during its existence either.


I'm not complaining about being a Padres fan. I rather enjoy rooting for the underdog. I'm just saying that your hardest days or the "Mattingly era" is nothing compared to what someone that has watched the Padres over the past 20 years has to go through.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 03:10 PM
Excellent post. People are just pissed that the Yanks win. I supported the Yanks during the Mattingly era and have ever since. Talk about about being a loyal, frustrated fan!

I inherited the Yankees and the Cubs from my dad. Growing up I remember watching the Cubs almost every day during the summer. Andre Dawson was my second favorite player, behind Dave Winfield. Ryan Sandberg, Don Mattingly, Shawon Dunston, Ricky Henderson and a few others were in the next tier.

And you're not kidding about it being frustrating. Back then the Cubs were better than the Yanks. But in the late 80's/early 90's I wouldn't even consider it "suffering" for me because I never really expected much out of the Yankees after Winfield, Henderson et al were gone. When Alvaro Espinoza is one of your stars, it's sad times.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/alvaro_espinoza_autograph.jpg

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 03:11 PM
*clears throat*...... I believe there are still Padres fans on this board. Your team has only had 7 losing seasons since 1969 when the Padres were created. The Padres on the other hand have had 10 WINNING seasons since being created. I'd say you have less to complain about than about the rest of baseball. Your hardest days are nowhere near the hardest days of a Padres fan and I doubt the Yankees have ever gone through a fire sale during its existence either.


I'm not complaining about being a Padres fan. I rather enjoy rooting for the underdog. I'm just saying that your hardest days or the "Mattingly era" is nothing compared to what someone that has watched the Padres over the past 20 years has to go through.


I agree but with that area of the country and being in San Diego, you should blame ownership. SD should win year in and year out.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 03:13 PM
*clears throat*...... I believe there are still Padres fans on this board. Your team has only had 7 losing seasons since 1969 when the Padres were created. The Padres on the other hand have had 10 WINNING seasons since being created. I'd say you have less to complain about than about the rest of baseball. Your hardest days are nowhere near the hardest days of a Padres fan and I doubt the Yankees have ever gone through a fire sale during its existence either.


I'm not complaining about being a Padres fan. I rather enjoy rooting for the underdog. I'm just saying that your hardest days or the "Mattingly era" is nothing compared to what someone that has watched the Padres over the past 20 years has to go through.

heh...The best thing that's happened to the Padres in the last 10-15 years was making it to the World Series so they could get swept by the Yankees. :D

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 03:15 PM
I inherited the Yankees and the Cubs from my dad. Growing up I remember watching the Cubs almost every day during the summer. Andre Dawson was my second favorite player, behind Dave Winfield. Ryan Sandberg, Don Mattingly, Shawon Dunston, Ricky Henderson and a few others were in the next tier.

And you're not kidding about it being frustrating. Back then the Cubs were better than the Yanks. But in the late 80's/early 90's I wouldn't even consider it "suffering" for me because I never really expected much out of the Yankees after Winfield, Henderson et al were gone. When Alvaro Espinoza is one of your stars, it's sad times.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/alvaro_espinoza_autograph.jpg



The Cubs are my "other" team so I too know about being a frustrated fan as well. I have came to the realization that my Cubbies are cursed far worse than the red sux ever were, and I also realize that I will never witness them going to the Series in my lifetime even if I live to be 100 years old.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 03:18 PM
Fastball in


:(

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 03:22 PM
What exactly is fair?

A salary cap like the NFL and NBA have is fair. It allows the smaller market teams to compete. The baseball system is flawed. It's not fair.

There are a handful of teams in any given year that are able to overcome this inherent discontinuity in payrolls due to good development and shrewd dealing (i.e. Cardinals, Giants, Braves, Red Sox, Angels) and have any sort of shot at beating a team that is able to buy any player it wants. However, even these teams can't sustain a run for many years due to economics (the Marlins won it all and then had to dismantle - same with the D-Backs). Are you seriously going to tell me that the Royals or the Mariners or the A's really have a shot at winning it all? They should pack it up at the beginning of each season. Compare that to the NFL where the great parity has allowed a large number of teams to go deep into the playoffs.

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 03:23 PM
The Cubs are my "other" team so I too know about being a frustrated fan as well. I have came to the realization that my Cubbies are cursed far worse than the red sux ever were, and I also realize that I will never witness them going to the Series in my lifetime even if I live to be 100 years old.
Shut your mouth. :mad:

GrapevineSooner
7/19/2005, 03:40 PM
Are you seriously going to tell me that the Royals or the Mariners or the A's really have a shot at winning it all?
The A's have either made the playoffs or been in contention for a playoff spot going into the final weekend of the regular season every year since 2000.

In 2000, they lost Game 5 at home to the Yankees in the ALDS.

In 2001, they won the first two games in New York before losing the next three, including the next two at home, to the Yankees in the ALDS.

In 2002, they lost Game 5 at home to the Twins in the ALDS.

In 2003, they blew a 2-0 series lead and lost Game 5 at home to the Red Sox in the ALDS.

In 2004, they were tied with the Angels going into the final weekend of the season with all three games at home. They lost the first two games.

In 2001, the Mariners won 116 games before losing to the Yankees in the ALCS despite having home field advantage.

I'll give you the Royals. :D

Herr Scholz
7/19/2005, 03:46 PM
Most teams have absolutely no shot at winning it all each year (yes, you can include the As and Mariners now). Like I said, a handful will peak their heads up any given year but are unable to sustain success due to the economics of the game: D-Backs, A's, Mariners, Twins, etc. Why did the A's get rid of Mulder and Hudson? Why did the Mariners get rid of Ken Griffey and A-Rod? Why are the Yankees able to hang on to everyone and buy every player they want from other teams?

OUthunder
7/19/2005, 04:04 PM
Herr, I hear what you're saying but the Red Sux bought a title lst year and no one said a thing about it. If the Yankees would have won it would have been the same thing ..."George bought another ring."

Winning is about spending money, just look at the Red Sux.

TopDawg
7/19/2005, 04:06 PM
Most teams have absolutely no shot at winning it all each year (yes, you can include the As and Mariners now). Like I said, a handful will peak their heads up any given year but are unable to sustain success due to the economics of the game: D-Backs, A's, Mariners, Twins, etc. Why did the A's get rid of Mulder and Hudson? Why did the Mariners get rid of Ken Griffey and A-Rod? Why are the Yankees able to hang on to everyone and buy every player they want from other teams?

It all depends on what "fair" is, though. Fair is relative and it's a judgment call. You can look at one thing as being fair and unfair at the same time.

It might be fair to the Royals if the Yankees have a spending limit on their salary, but is that fair to the Yankees? They're making the money, why shouldn't they be allowed to spend it on the best players? If the Royals want to get the best players, they should figure out a way to make more money or spend it more wisely.

A salary cap may even the field, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's completely fair.