Charlie Sheen: 4 for 4

[Tear Down This Wall]

Sex with men, sex with prostitutes, sex with drug users, plus his own drug use...

...gee, can't figure out why he contracted HIV.

From eight years ago - http://www.socialitelife.com/heidi_fleiss_teams_up_with_a_trannie_to_make_charl ie_sheen_look_like_hes_into_trannies-02-2007 - to now - http://www.wetpaint.com/charlie-sheen-prostitutes-transexuals-sex-1455025/

[olevetonahill]

Charlie is Ambidextrous? I never knew LOL

[Soonerjeepman]

dude has some MAJOR issues...

[BoulderSooner79]

He's got 99 problems and now HIV *is* one of them.

[FaninAma]

How could he have turned out to be such a loser with a fine upstanding father like Martin Sheen. I know, I know....Hollywood is filled with losers but at least they aren't Christians. That would be unacceptable.

[hawaii 5-0]

I feel sorry for the other folks he infected unknowingly. Don't feel sorry for Charlie.

Or Magic Johnson.

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[Soonerjeepman]

I feel sorry for the other folks he infected unknowingly. Don't feel sorry for Charlie.

Or Magic Johnson.

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exactly...stuck his poker in the fireplace with a glove and got burned. Unfortunately he screwed a lot of other folks over...literally. Dude is sick.

[Tear Down This Wall]

The creepiest human alive. Hard to believe he went on a "tour" and people paid money to see him:

http://media.nj.com/entertainment_impact/photo/9494495-large.jpg

[Serenity Now]

#winning.

[olevetonahill]

I feel sorry for the other folks he infected unknowingly. Don't feel sorry for Charlie.

Or Magic Johnson.

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Water Boy, Who is feeling sorry for him?|

[hawaii 5-0]

Probably the folks who spent the last 20 years sponging off him.

That gravy train has left the station.

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[yermom]

How could he have turned out to be such a loser with a fine upstanding father like Martin Sheen. I know, I know....Hollywood is filled with losers but at least they aren't Christians. That would be unacceptable.

his pro-life Chistian dad?

what are you even ranting about...

i'm sure his Catholic upbringing taught him all he needed to know about safe sex

[Serenity Now]

That's what happens when you play a Democratic President on TV. The right attacks your religion. :)

[Serenity Now]

Read up a little on Martin. They don't like him because he's a community organizer. He organized a strike of the caddies at the club he worked at when he was 14. :) He's likely done more to improve lives during his life than the rest of us.

[FaninAma]

Read up a little on Martin. They don't like him because he's a community organizer. He organized a strike of the caddies at the club he worked at when he was 14. :) He's likely done more to improve lives during his life than the rest of us.
Yeah, and his kids are real winners. Maybe he should have payed a little more attention to his family and children. But if you are saying liberals have screwed up priorities then I agree with you 100%.

[FaninAma]

his pro-life Chistian dad?

what are you even ranting about...

i'm sure his Catholic upbringing taught him all he needed to know about safe sex

No, I am talking about the environmentalist, pro-gay marriage, never-met-a-liberal-cause-he-didn't-support Martin Sheen:

Political activism[edit (http://www.soonerfans.com/w/index.php?title=Martin_Sheen&action=edit&section=3&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)]

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Martin Sheen at an anti-war protest in October 2007


In 2010, Sheen first spoke to 18,000 young student activists at Free The Children (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Free_The_Children)'s We Day (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/We_Day), explaining "While acting is what I do for a living, activism is what I do to stay alive."[28] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-28)
Although he did not attend college, Sheen credited the Marianists (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Society_of_Mary_(Marianists)) at University of Dayton (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/University_of_Dayton) as a major influence on his public activism, as well as Archbishop Desmond Tutu (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Archbishop_Desmond_Tutu).[29] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-29) Sheen is known for his outspoken support of liberal (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Social_democracy) political causes, such as opposition to United States military actions and a hazardous-waste incinerator in East Liverpool, Ohio (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/East_Liverpool,_Ohio). Sheen has resisted calls to run for office, saying: "There's no way that I could be the president. You can't have a pacifist (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Pacifism) in the White House (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/White_House) . . . I'm an actor. This is what I do for a living."[30] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-30) Sheen is an honorary trustee (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Trustee) of the Dayton International Peace Museum (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Dayton_International_Peace_Museum).
He supported the 1965 farm worker movement (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Farm_worker_movement) with Cesar Chavez (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Cesar_Chavez) in Delano, California (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Delano,_California).[31] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-31) He is a proponent of the Consistent life ethic (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic), which advocates against abortion (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Abortion), capital punishment (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Capital_punishment) and war.[32] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-32) He articulated this view further in an interview with The Progressive: "I'm inclined to be against abortion of any life. But I am equally against the death penalty or war." [33] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-33) He also supports the Democrats for Life of America (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Democrats_for_Life_of_America)'s Pregnant Women Support Act (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Pregnant_Women_Support_Act).[34] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-PWSA-34) In 2004 along with Rob Reiner (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Rob_Reiner), Sheen campaigned for Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Howard_Dean), and later campaigned for nominee John Kerry (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/John_Kerry).
On May 16, 1995, Martin Sheen and Paul Watson (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Paul_Watson) from the non-profit environmental organization Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society), were confronted by a number of Canadian sealers in a hotel on Magdalen Islands (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Magdalen_Islands) over Sea Shepherd's history of attacks on sealing and whaling ships. Sheen negotiated with the sealers while Watson was escorted to the airport by police.[35] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-35) In 2000, Sheen got involved in support of gun control (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Gun_control) after the National Shooting Sports Foundation (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/National_Shooting_Sports_Foundation) hired his politically conservative brother, actor Joe Estevez (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Joe_Estevez) who sounds like Sheen, to do a voice over (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Voice_over) for a pro-gunmaker commercial earlier in the year.[36] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-SFC101000-36)[37] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-NJ2000-37) In early 2003 Sheen signed the "Not in My Name" declaration opposing the invasion of Iraq (along with prominent figures such as Noam Chomsky (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Noam_Chomsky) and Susan Sarandon (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Susan_Sarandon)); the declaration appeared in the magazine (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Magazine) The Nation (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/The_Nation). On August 28, 2005, he visited anti-Iraq War (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Iraq_War) activist Cindy Sheehan (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan) at Camp Casey (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Camp_Casey,_Crawford,_Texas). He prayed with her and spoke to her supporters. He began his remarks by stating, "At least you've got the acting president of the United States," referring to his role as fictional president Josiah Bartlet (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Josiah_Bartlet) on The West Wing (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/The_West_Wing_(TV_series)).[38] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-38) Cindy Sheehan had been demanding a second meeting[39] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-39) with the President, George W. Bush (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/George_W._Bush).
Sheen endorsed marches and walkouts called by the civil rights group By Any Means Necessary (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/BAMN) (BAMN) to force the state of California to honor the Cesar Chavez holiday. On the day of the protests (March 30), thousands of students, primarily Latino from California and elsewhere, walked out of school in support of the demand. Sheen also stated that he participated in the large-scale immigration marches in Los Angeles in 2006 and 2007.[40] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-40)[41] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-41)[citation needed (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
On April 10, 2006, the New York Times (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/New_York_Times) reported that members of the Democratic Party (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) in Ohio (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Ohio) had contacted Sheen, attempting to persuade him to run for the United States Senate (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/United_States_Senate) in Ohio. Sheen declined the offer, stating, "I'm just not qualified. You're mistaking celebrity for credibility."[42] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-norton-42) On November 26, 2006, the Sunday Times in the Republic of Ireland (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland), where Sheen was then living as a result of his enrolment in NUI Galway (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/NUI_Galway), reported on his speaking out against mushroom farmers exploiting foreign workers by paying them as little as €2.50 an hour in a country where the minimum wage (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Minimum_wage) was €7.65.
Sheen's latest activism includes attendances at meetings of the environmentalist group Earth First! (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Earth_First!)[43] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-43) and speaking appearances at youth empowerment events called We Day (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/We_Day) on behalf of Free The Children (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Free_The_Children), an international charity and educational partner.[44] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-44) Sheen has been named an ambassador of Free The Children and has supported such initiatives as the We are Silent campaign, a 24-hour pledge of silence.[45] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-45) Speaking about his work with Free The Children, Sheen has said, "I'm hooked! I told them whenever I could offer some insight or energy or whatever I had, I'd be delighted if they would call on me, and they have."[46] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-46)
Sheen has also endorsed and supported Help Darfur Now, a student-run organization to help aid victims of the genocide in Darfur (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Darfur), the western region in Sudan (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Sudan). He also appears in the recent anti-fur documentary "Skin Trade."[47] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-47)
Sheen has appeared in television and radio ads urging Washington State residents to vote 'no' on Initiative 1000 (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Initiative_1000), a proposed assisted suicide (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Assisted_suicide) law before voters in the 2008 election.[48] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-48)
Sheen initially endorsed New Mexico (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/New_Mexico) Governor (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Governor) Bill Richardson (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Bill_Richardson) in the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008), and helped raise funds for his campaign.[49] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-49) After Richardson dropped out of the campaign, Sheen stated in a BBC Two (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/BBC_Two) interview with Graham Norton (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Graham_Norton) that he was supporting Barack Obama (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Barack_Obama).[42] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-norton-42)
In March 2012, Sheen was featured with George Clooney (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/George_Clooney) in a performance of Dustin Lance Black (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Dustin_Lance_Black)'s play, '8' (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/8_(play))—a staged reenactment of the federal trial (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Perry_v._Brown) that overturned California's Prop 8 ban (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Proposition_8) on same-sex marriage (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California)—as attorney Theodore Olson (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Theodore_Olson).[50] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-8_the_play-50) The production was held at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Wilshire_Ebell_Theatre) and broadcast on YouTube to raise money for the American Foundation for Equal Rights (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/American_Foundation_for_Equal_Rights).[51] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-8_play_video-51)[52] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-52)
In September 2012, Sheen reunited with the cast of The West Wing to produce a video tasked with explaining Michigan's ballot and its partisan and nonpartisan sections. The video doubled as a campaign ad for Bridget McCormack (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Bridget_McCormack), who was running as a nonpartisan candidate for Michigan's Supreme Court (http://www.soonerfans.com/wiki/Michigan_Supreme_Court).[53] (http://www.soonerfans.com/#cite_note-53)




A little more family time and a little less activism and he might have had kids that turned out a little better. The fact that he may be pro-life doesn't change the fact that he raised entitled, privileged losers for kids.

[BoulderSooner79]

Yeah, and his kids are real winners. Maybe he should have payed a little more attention to his family and children. But if you are saying liberals have screwed up priorities then I agree with you 100%.

And if you conservatives think that good parenting always produces great kids, you a living in a dream world. I know nothing about Martin Sheen as a parent, but I'd look at fame and fortune as Charlie's downfall before I'd look at the parents and the odds would be in my favor. I'm sure we all know families that appear to have great parents and produce well balanced kids - except for one problem child that no one can explain.

[FaninAma]

And if you conservatives think that good parenting always produces great kids, you a living in a dream world. I know nothing about Martin Sheen as a parent, but I'd look at fame and fortune as Charlie's downfall before I'd look at the parents and the odds would be in my favor. I'm sure we all know families that appear to have great parents and produce well balanced kids - except for one problem child that no one can explain.

And if you're saying that good parenting has nothing to do with producing great kids you are living in a dream world. I can give you example after example after example of well to do parents who were always busy with their profession or charities or other activities to spend the kind of attention and time with their kids to teach them the values and attitudes that would make them successful and keep them aweay from bad decisions. The opposite is true as well. Poor parents who prioritized their kids and taught them appropriate values and respect for others.

I am absolutely convinced that the quality of parenting is THE most important factor in determining the success and quality of character that a child has when they become adults. Nothing else even comes close.

[BoulderSooner79]

And if you're saying that good parenting has nothing to do with producing great kids you are living in a dream world. I can give you example after example after example of well to do parents who were always busy with their profession or charities or other activities to spend the kind of attention and time with their kids to teach them the values and attitudes that would make them successful and keep them aweay from bad decisions. The opposite is true as well. Poor parents who prioritized their kids and taught them appropriate values and respect for others.

I am absolutely convinced that the quality of parenting is THE most important factor in determining the success and quality of character that a child has when they become adults. Nothing else even comes close.

I think we're in violent agreement. Parenting is huge, but it's statistical - we as parents have cattle prods at best and not steering wheels. They all come out of the shoot differently and they absorb the teaching of their parent and the world differently. You can find exceptions everywhere of great families and parents producing screw-up kids as well as strong, powerful people from the worst of broken families. You do the best you can and then cross your fingers. I'm incredible proud of how my now grown kids turned out, but I know I can only take so much of the credit -there was some luck involved.

[yermom]

Yeah, I'm sure every bad person ever is their parents' fault

I'm not some fan of the Sheen family, but you are just being a moron.

Liberal causes now make you a bad parent? Not a Christian?

[Serenity Now]

Yeah, and his kids are real winners. Maybe he should have payed a little more attention to his family and children. But if you are saying liberals have screwed up priorities then I agree with you 100%.

Are you Mr. Hand? What a dick.

[Serenity Now]

...never-met-a-liberal-cause-he-didn't-support Martin Sheen:

He's pro-life. That's a liberal cause, right?

[hawaii 5-0]

Oops !

A conundrum caught in an enigma. Can't have it both ways.

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[FaninAma]

Oops !

A conundrum caught in an enigma. Can't have it both ways.

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Kudos to Charlie's old man for being pro-life. I find it intersting that you think this makes him a good father.Now that's a real conundrum for a liberal and I am pretty sure he didn't instill that value in Charlie. . However, it doesn't change the fact that he was a very active activist in dozens of other liberal interest groups. Perhaps if he had been more active in the interest of his own kids they might have turned out not being so messed up. Do you want to talk about that issue or continue to deflect to the fact he supported one conservative value out of the dozens he invested his time and money in?

A parent's first obligation and priority is to his own kids, not to invest massive amounts of time in career and numerous other causes or interests that prevent him from being an involved parent.

[Serenity Now]

Kudos to Charlie's old man for being pro-life. I find it intersting that you think this makes him a good father.Now that's a real conundrum for a liberal and I am pretty sure he didn't instill that value in Charlie. . However, it doesn't change the fact that he was a very active activist in dozens of other liberal interest groups. Perhaps if he had been more active in the interest of his own kids they might have turned out not being so messed up. Do you want to talk about that issue or continue to deflect to the fact he supported one conservative value out of the dozens he invested his time and money in?

A parent's first obligation and priority is to his own kids, not to invest massive amounts of time in career and numerous other causes or interests that prevent him from being an involved parent.

Well played Mr. Hand. I'd think Charlie's issues arose out of living the life of a celebrity that MANY a good parent have failed at navigating kids into adulthood with no issues.

[Tear Down This Wall]

What he instilled in Charlie was acoholism, etc. He had the same problem in the 70s. The difference is, he handled it privately.

Also, as with most anti-war people, he'd be pro-war fast enough if anyone ever hit our shores with their military. It's what is always fake about "anti-war" people. You have to ignore them.

We are fortunate to live in a country that would be difficult to invade, much less overthrow and keep in check because of the oceans on both sides of the country, as well as the size of the country.

The "anti-war" element is utterly ignorant and self-serving. You can pretty much ignore the anti-war element the same way they ignore the terror and harm that occurs in countries where they "oppose" wars.

[Serenity Now]

What he instilled in Charlie was acoholism, etc. He had the same problem in the 70s. The difference is, he handled it privately.

Also, as with most anti-war people, he'd be pro-war fast enough if anyone ever hit our shores with their military. It's what is always fake about "anti-war" people. You have to ignore them.

We are fortunate to live in a country that would be difficult to invade, much less overthrow and keep in check because of the oceans on both sides of the country, as well as the size of the country.

The "anti-war" element is utterly ignorant and self-serving. You can pretty much ignore the anti-war element the same way they ignore the terror and harm that occurs in countries where they "oppose" wars.

There's a significant difference between being "anti-war" and "protect your country".

[BoulderSooner79]

Terrorism is not war in by any conventional definition. If it could be defeated by military means we would have done it long ago. We have shock and awe up the wazoo. Our knocking out Sadam helped start this fire, but there was plenty of gas and kindling laying around and it would have happened eventually. Our pissing match with Russia and their proping up the Syrian badass is killing Europe with the refugees and the inevitable poison of the extremist element riding along. There are no easy answer here. It's going to take all the grown ups in the room to put down their petty differences and work together. That includes Russia and China as well as the west - and some of the real governments in the middle east too (if there are any).

Sorry, a long way removed from he public spiral of Charlie Sheen.

[FaninAma]

Well played Mr. Hand. I'd think Charlie's issues arose out of living the life of a celebrity that MANY a parent has used as one of many excuses to deflect from their failures as parents .

FIFY. YWIA

[BoulderSooner79]

Many a celebrity kid has had their life spiral as they have grown up even if their parents are not from the business. I don't think a developing child brain is equipped to handle such attention. Throw in huge amount a money and it's a toxic brew. A parent can try instill humility all they want and it's hard to combat the world everyday telling a young person they are indeed better than everyone else. We see it in suddenly rich pro athletes as well as actors and singers. I'm sure some of them had great parents. I'm glad I didn't have those issues on top of the stack of other parenting challenges.

[Tear Down This Wall]

There's a significant difference between being "anti-war" and "protect your country".

Especially when you have big seas separating you from other world powers. You probably don't have many anti-war people in countries like Poland.

At any rate, it's all phony baloney. If some country were raping your wives and daughters and killing your sons, you wouldn't be running around saying, "Oh, I'm just against war. All war is bad."

Again, it's why anti-war people are full of sh*t. There is no negotiating with groups or countries hell bent on raping and pillaging. These so-called "anti-war" as*sholes really believe they are doing something when they march around in a safe part of the world holding up signs and yelling into bullhorns.

Well, go out and prove your stripes, "anti-war" dipsh*ts. Go march around in Syria these days and tell them you are "anti-war."

It's bullsh*t. As long as it's other peoples' wife, daughters, and sons being raped and slaughtered, the "anti-war" fakes are running off with the mouth for no good reason...

...and Sheen is a longtime master of bullsh*t in that scene. Once I see him and and Sean Penn over in Aleppo or Damascus, I'll take them seriously. Buttsniffs.

[TAFBSooner]

Especially when you have big seas separating you from other world powers. You probably don't have many anti-war people in countries like Poland.

You also have to factor in all the guns in the hands of the citizenry. That makes CONUS even more unlikely to be invaded.


At any rate, it's all phony baloney. If some country were raping your wives and daughters and killing your sons, you wouldn't be running around saying, "Oh, I'm just against war. All war is bad."

Again, it's why anti-war people are full of sh*t. There is no negotiating with groups or countries hell bent on raping and pillaging. These so-called "anti-war" as*sholes really believe they are doing something when they march around in a safe part of the world holding up signs and yelling into bullhorns.

Well, go out and prove your stripes, "anti-war" dipsh*ts. Go march around in Syria these days and tell them you are "anti-war."

It's bullsh*t. As long as it's other peoples' wife, daughters, and sons being raped and slaughtered, the "anti-war" fakes are running off with the mouth for no good reason...

...and Sheen is a longtime master of bullsh*t in that scene. Once I see him and and Sean Penn over in Aleppo or Damascus, I'll take them seriously. Buttsniffs.

There are some people that are against all war. They are called pacifists. They're relatively few in number and they're not very realistic. In fact your comments apply to them, but you imply the straw man argument that people who are against stupid wars are against all wars.

People who argued and/or protested against the Vietnam war did so because the war made no sense; and the so-called reasons (domino theory) made no sense. Supposedly if South Vietnam fell to the Communists, then Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, etc. would fall too. Well, South Vietnam did fall to the Communists. Notice the dearth of Communist governments in SE Asia today other than Vietnam. All Ho Chi Minh did was re-unify their country and free it from colonial powers - which was all that he asked Woodrow Wilson for in 1919!

People who were against the 2003 Iraq invasion likewise knew that that war made no sense. I was certainly one of them.

Cheney said Saddam Hussein had or would give WMDs to al Qaeda. In fact, al Qaeda was a blood enemy of Saddam. One of al Qaeda's goals was to get rid of the secular rulers of Muslim lands, like Saddam.

I, for one, never said that Saddam didn't have WMDs. By 2003, it was pretty sure that he didn't have any effective chemical weapons, because the US sold him the precursors for his war against Iran. Chem weapons have a limited shelf life. What we pointed out was that he probably didn't have any effective weapons, and if he did the last thing he would do would be give them to religious fanatics who wanted to kill him.

Cheney didn't address how Iraq was made up of three major cultures that were incompatible, and that lopping off the head would split the country in three. Those against the war made that point over and over, and warned that no one could predict what would happen once the (admittedly brutal) Baathist party was removed. We were right about that, too, although the results have been far, far worse than we predicted at the time.

In the present mess brought to us by IS, I am not calling for us to stay out. For one thing, we broke it, and we have some responsibility to fix it. More importantly, if we don't end IS, they will continue to attack civilized nations that are actually excited by the 21st century instead of the 7th. The trouble is, I don't think Obama knows how to do this, I'm sure the Republicans don't know how to do this, and there is every possibility of getting it wrong.

Point being, you are wrong to say the majority of those who were against the Vietnam or 2003 Iraq wars are pacifists. Those were stupid wars that the US should never have gotten into. Some wars are necessary, even virtuous, although I can probably count that sort in US history on one hand, with the middle finger left over for people who start wars for no good reason.

[FaninAma]

Are you Mr. Hand? What a dick.
Is this topic a sore subject with you? You sure seem to be taking it personally.

[Serenity Now]

Is this topic a sore subject with you? You sure seem to be taking it personally.

You're just very dismissive and judgy. And factually wrong but not willing to admit it.

[FaninAma]

You're just very dismissive and judgy. And factually wrong but not willing to admit it.
Your opinion does not equate into fact. I know you liberals like to think that's not the case but reality just doesn't support that line of thinking.

You're right. We should just dismiss poor parenting out of hand because that has served the country so well over the past 40 years. Society has no clue about the tidal wave headed its way composed of dysfunctional children from dysfunctional families that are growing up into dysfunctional adults. We should just bury our heads in the sand because there is no way it will affect us.

Are you really involved some way in our educational system? The problem is that too many people are like you...... unwilling to make comments about bad , irresponsible, immature parents. Society has been cowed into not calling out bad behavior but society is supposed to pay for the consequences of that bad behavior. That is the progressive gift to all of us.

And again, why do you seem to be taking the discussion of this issue so personally?

[yermom]

so is it that Martin Sheen is a bad parent because he was too busy as an actor to be a good father? or because he spends too much time in activism? because he's a liberal and not a real Christian?

or is it because Charlie is addicted to sex and alcohol and ended up with HIV?

none of those sound judgy or presumptuous at all.

[FaninAma]

Yeah, I'm sure every bad person ever is their parents' fault

I'm not some fan of the Sheen family, but you are just being a moron.

Liberal causes now make you a bad parent? Not a Christian?
No, liberal causes do not make you a bad parent. Making other activities higher priorities than your children makes you a bad parent.

[olevetonahill]

I think it all boils down to the Fact Charlie put his dick somewhere it ort not a been!

[FaninAma]

so is it that Martin Sheen is a bad parent because he was too busy as an actor to be a good father? or because he spends too much time in activism? because he's a liberal and not a real Christian?

or is it because Charlie is addicted to sex and alcohol and ended up with HIV?

none of those sound judgy or presumptuous at all.
Then read this and get back to me. Sounds like Emelio's and Charlie's parents are Parent of The Year candidates.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/charlie-sheen-emilio-estevez-tale-drastically-brothers/story?id=13347481


'My father and mother, neither of them cared if Larry Fishburne [Martin Sheen's teenage co-star] and I jumped in a jitney and went to Manila for the weekend," he said. "President Marcos was in power, martial law was in effect, and you were shot on sight if you were seen on the street after 1am. What were they thinking?'"Estevez said he recently asked his parents that question: "Their reply was, 'We had four of you. If we had to lose one, we would. We were just trying to survive.'"

Go ahead and make excuses for them. After all, that's what you liberals do.

[Tear Down This Wall]

You also have to factor in all the guns in the hands of the citizenry. That makes CONUS even more unlikely to be invaded.



There are some people that are against all war. They are called pacifists. They're relatively few in number and they're not very realistic. In fact your comments apply to them, but you imply the straw man argument that people who are against stupid wars are against all wars.

People who argued and/or protested against the Vietnam war did so because the war made no sense; and the so-called reasons (domino theory) made no sense. Supposedly if South Vietnam fell to the Communists, then Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, etc. would fall too. Well, South Vietnam did fall to the Communists. Notice the dearth of Communist governments in SE Asia today other than Vietnam. All Ho Chi Minh did was re-unify their country and free it from colonial powers - which was all that he asked Woodrow Wilson for in 1919!

People who were against the 2003 Iraq invasion likewise knew that that war made no sense. I was certainly one of them.

Cheney said Saddam Hussein had or would give WMDs to al Qaeda. In fact, al Qaeda was a blood enemy of Saddam. One of al Qaeda's goals was to get rid of the secular rulers of Muslim lands, like Saddam.

I, for one, never said that Saddam didn't have WMDs. By 2003, it was pretty sure that he didn't have any effective chemical weapons, because the US sold him the precursors for his war against Iran. Chem weapons have a limited shelf life. What we pointed out was that he probably didn't have any effective weapons, and if he did the last thing he would do would be give them to religious fanatics who wanted to kill him.

Cheney didn't address how Iraq was made up of three major cultures that were incompatible, and that lopping off the head would split the country in three. Those against the war made that point over and over, and warned that no one could predict what would happen once the (admittedly brutal) Baathist party was removed. We were right about that, too, although the results have been far, far worse than we predicted at the time.

In the present mess brought to us by IS, I am not calling for us to stay out. For one thing, we broke it, and we have some responsibility to fix it. More importantly, if we don't end IS, they will continue to attack civilized nations that are actually excited by the 21st century instead of the 7th. The trouble is, I don't think Obama knows how to do this, I'm sure the Republicans don't know how to do this, and there is every possibility of getting it wrong.

Point being, you are wrong to say the majority of those who were against the Vietnam or 2003 Iraq wars are pacifists. Those were stupid wars that the US should never have gotten into. Some wars are necessary, even virtuous, although I can probably count that sort in US history on one hand, with the middle finger left over for people who start wars for no good reason.

Are you lost? Whether a dictatorship calls itself communist or not is pointless. Millions were killed in Cambodia. Laos, and Thailand.

Ask the South Koreans whether or not it mattered that we intervened.

Stupid to the end. Vietnam or part of it could be as free as South Korea is we hadn't had such weak leadership in our president and Congress during the mid- and late-60s.

I have yet to meet a Vietnamese refugee - and, there are thousands in the area of Dallas where I grew up, Richardson - that was happy that its country fell to the communist.

Utterly stupid to say Vietnam was pointless. Ask a Vietnamese refugee if they want to go back and live under communist rule now.

Get real.