Zippy kills Keystone...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Thanks buddy, the next train derailment and spilled oil will be on you buddy. No safer transport than pipeline. The oil from up north will still make it to the Gulf Coast for refining, it will just use methods in place now. If I were a pipeline or oil company, I would build a pipeline within the US all the way up to near the Canadian border and extend a current pipeline to near the US border and then apply for a short jump line to connect the 2. Otherwise, truck or rail between the 2 lines and take the FEDGOV/State Dept. out of it totally.

[hawaii 5-0]

Let the Canadians built their own refineries. We don't need their dirtiest of all oils.

Jobs Lost ? >250,000 new jobs last month.

Increased price of gas ? Dropped and still very reasonable compared to what we were paying.

Planet Earth just let out a big sigh of relief, even if only temporary. John Beohner and the rest of his TransCanada investors can have a nice cry.

I've never understood why 'conservatives' are so eager to rape the Planet ? In that regard I'm more conservative than all the conservafake yahoos on this Bored.

High five, Mother Nature.

5-0

[REDREX]

Let the Canadians built their own refineries. We don't need their dirtiest of all oils.

Jobs Lost ? >250,000 new jobs last month.

Increased price of gas ? Dropped and still very reasonable compared to what we were paying.

Planet Earth just let out a big sigh of relief, even if only temporary. John Beohner and the rest of his TransCanada investors can have a nice cry.

I've never understood why 'conservatives' are so eager to rape the Planet ? In that regard I'm more conservative than all the conservafake yahoos on this Bored.

High five, Mother Nature.

5-0----Anyone that thinks this will keep the oil from being produced is kidding themselves

[hawaii 5-0]

----Anyone that thinks this will keep the oil from being produced is kidding themselves

I guessed you missed this part......

"Planet Earth just let out a big sigh of relief, even if only temporary."

Now excuse me while I go hug a tree.

5-0

[FaninAma]

----Anyone that thinks this will keep the oil from being produced is kidding themselves

Haven't you heard? Oil prices are never going back up.

So which sector of our society is the most dependent on their energy being supplied from some where else? It is the same sector that pretty much depends on others to grow their food, produce their energy, and provide the materials to build their living quarters.

Of course it is urban population centers in which the most of the voters support liberal politicians who in turn support liberal taxing and regulatory policies that raise the cost of almost everything they use. Ah, only another liberal could explain this type of "logical" thinking.

[REDREX]

I guessed you missed this part......

"Planet Earth just let out a big sigh of relief, even if only temporary."

Now excuse me while I go hug a tree.

5-0---- It won't slow it down at all it will just move another way

[REDREX]

How much damage has ethanol done?-----All you treehuggers love it

[FaninAma]

---- It won't slow it down at all it will just move another way

The Chinese have already offered to help Canada build a pipeline to Vancouver.

[TAFBSooner]

How much damage has ethanol done?-----All you treehuggers love it

No we don't. It uses more energy than it "saves." Politicians love ethanol so they can pander to those who participate in the first round of the "primary" season.

[REDREX]

No we don't. It uses more energy than it "saves." Politicians love ethanol so they can pander to those who participate in the first round of the "primary" season.----So it is a stupid program correct?

[TAFBSooner]

Haven't you heard? Oil prices are never going back up.


We should be taking advantage of the current glut of crude to keep more of it in the ground. That would slow down climate change.

If you don't believe in man-made climate change, surely you can see that we will still need that oil at some point in the future. Capitalism leads to pumping it all out as soon as we can drill it, so quickly that, among other things, we can't build in the infrastructure to capture the natural gas by-product, and so just burn it for nothing!

Leaving it in the ground would keep the oil producers in business longer than they would be by pumping it all now.

[TAFBSooner]

Planet Earth just let out a big sigh of relief, even if only temporary.
High five, Mother Nature.

5-0

Planet Earth will continue to scratch where it itches.

[badger]

It was a difficult decision, but the president decided and he and his party will have to live with it. Both sides had compelling arguments and the environmental concerns are great on both sides, as have already been discussed.

2016 looms, however. It's not that far away and the next president of either party could easily reverse course on this matter. For now, however, President Obama has proof that the U.S. is doing its part for the environment as he tries to get the rest of the globe on board for whatever that global initiative is that is being discussed, I'm really not privy to the details.

[FaninAma]

We should be taking advantage of the current glut of crude to keep more of it in the ground. That would slow down climate change.

If you don't believe in man-made climate change, surely you can see that we will still need that oil at some point in the future. Capitalism leads to pumping it all out as soon as we can drill it, so quickly that, among other things, we can't build in the infrastructure to capture the natural gas by-product, and so just burn it for nothing!

Leaving it in the ground would keep the oil producers in business longer than they would be by pumping it all now.

ST, how long do you think it will take for the pipeline to be built...3 years? 5 years? Longer? Do you think there is chance oil prices will increase in that time? Do you really think Obama nixed this due to true concerns for the environment?

If Paul ryan doesn't stand up to this idiot lameduck POTUS for the next year better than his predecessor did he will be out of office a lot quicker than Boehner was.

[badger]

Here's (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/energy/killing-keystone-xl-obama-says-pipeline-not-in-us-interests/article_5f239e53-2884-5649-93c3-9ed36ae0d034.html) what I was referring to aimlessly earlier:


Killing the pipeline allows Obama to claim aggressive action on the environment, potentially strengthening his hand as world leaders prepare to finalize a major global climate pact. Obama used the occasion to announce his plans to travel to Paris in the coming weeks for talks on that agreement, which Obama hopes will be a crowning jewel for his environmental legacy.

So...


Do you really think Obama nixed this due to true concerns for the environment?

Yes, but not in the sense that it's about U.S. environment concerns, but rather, to add another line to his i'm-earth-friendly resume.

[okie52]

Let the Canadians built their own refineries. We don't need their dirtiest of all oils.

Jobs Lost ? >250,000 new jobs last month.

Increased price of gas ? Dropped and still very reasonable compared to what we were paying.

Planet Earth just let out a big sigh of relief, even if only temporary. John Beohner and the rest of his TransCanada investors can have a nice cry.

I've never understood why 'conservatives' are so eager to rape the Planet ? In that regard I'm more conservative than all the conservafake yahoos on this Bored.

High five, Mother Nature.

5-0

Are you trying to win the "low information voter" award?

The oil will continue to be produced. Price of oil is the only possible deterrent which has nothing to do with this stupid policy. It will continue to be transported by a much less efficient, less safe and more costly means (rail) to the US and possibly China. Coincidentally, the rail is owned by Warren Buffet.

The EPA in its own study stated that Keystone would have minimal impact, if any, on the environment. Obama and Kerry chose to disregard that assessment.

That was why it was so laughable when Obama came to Cushing, OK in 2012, to celebrate the southern leg of Keystone with a shovel ceremony. He, of course, had nothing to do with the southern leg but, he was after all, an all of the above energy guy.

There is no compelling reason for Keystone to be denied.

Mother earth didn't breathe a sigh of relief...that was Uncle Sam gasping for air.

[BoulderSooner79]

Second term swagger. He can thumb his nose at the pubs and not give a flying f*ck what anyone thinks.

[okie52]

Second term swagger. He can thumb his nose at the pubs and not give a flying f*ck what anyone thinks.

He certainly hasn't been afraid to let his stupidity show.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

He certainly hasn't been afraid to let his stupidity show.and the OP had the audacity to call bear zippy. Bill Griffith will hang his head in embarrassment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Griffith

[Serenity Now]

I remember admonishing liberals to treat bush with respect and not call him ****ty names.

[okie52]

I remember admonishing liberals to treat bush with respect and not call him ****ty names.

Didn't work, did it?

[REDREX]

Second term swagger. He can thumb his nose at the pubs and not give a flying f*ck what anyone thinks.---- Goodthing about it is that with Canadian costing more due to transportation costs we will drill more here

[BoulderSooner79]

---- Goodthing about it is that with Canadian costing more due to transportation costs we will drill more here

So he is in the back pocket of American drillers. I'd think the republicans would approve?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So he is in the back pocket of American drillers. I'd think the RINOS would approve?Gee, ya THINK?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Rail car derailment #1 for zippy the president... Link (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/08/2nd-train-derails-in-wisconsin-in-2-days-spills-crude-oil/?intcmp=hplnws)

[dwarthog]

Rail car derailment #1 for zippy the president... Link (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/08/2nd-train-derails-in-wisconsin-in-2-days-spills-crude-oil/?intcmp=hplnws)

Crap. That is a bad area for a spill. But hey those wacko lefties they got what they wanted. Dumba$$es

[Serenity Now]

#thanksobama

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If Paul Ryan doesn't stand up to this idiot lameduck POTUS for the next year better than his predecessor did he will be out of office a lot quicker than Boehner was.America finally appears to be getting fed up with the horsechit.

[REDREX]

America finally appears to be getting fed up with the horsechit.---Except for the large portion of people that live off the Gov't

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

---Except for the large portion of people that live off the Gov'tHopefully we're not at the tipping point, and will be able to turn it around...

[FaninAma]

Hopefully we're not at the tipping point, and will be able to turn it around...

There is about as much chance of that happening as there is of the SEC getting left out of the CFB playoffs.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

There is about as much chance of that happening as there is of the SEC getting left out of the CFB playoffs.Aw geez, show a little optimism!

[Ton Loc]

Aw geez, show a little optimism!

Yeah - its possible the SEC gets left out.