Help me understand...

[rock on sooner]

what the attraction that Ben Carson has to the Pubs? The following is why I ask...

Joseph built the great pyramids to store grain.
Homosexuality is learned behavior.
Dept. of Ed. should be tasked to investigate higher educators for political bias.
Theory of Evolution is the work of the devil.
Big Bang Theory is a fairy tale.
Climate change concerns are irrelevant.
So many more......

You can't make this stuff up! The above are "Carsonianisms" (new word I made up).
This man has said these things in public, interviews, on TeeVee, etc. For the life
of me, I don't understand how/why he is polling at the top of the GOP candidate field.

While I disagree with many on this board about your politics, I respect your right to
them. By extension, I respect your input and seek to understand the appeal the
leading "candidate" has. So, help me out, please. TIA.

[champions77]

How about he is a devout Christian who would never intentionally mislead or lie to the American people, and will honor and defend the US Constitution, as he is sworn to do, unlike what we have today?
Carson is not my first choice, but there are some on your list that are legitimate areas of concern, like the bias, I call it indoctrination of State run colleges and Universities into socialist dogma, and the fact that some in this country would wreck our economy, causing much high energy prices, affecting the poor the most, and instituting a carbon tax that would be one of the highest tax increases in our history, all in the name of a theory, all for a decrease in carbon output that would have almost no affect on the world's climate. I guess it came out today that China has been fudging on some numbers and the amount carbon they are emitting is about 17% higher than what they previously reported.

Please don't insinuate that Obama is not chock full of positions and ideology that I along with others find highly offensive and anathema to the well being of this country. You don't "understand" Carson. Well I don't understand Obama. I don't have enough time today to list all of the things that bother me about him. His time in the White House has not been an Administration, its been more like a regime.

[Tear Down This Wall]

He's not connected to D.C. That's what Republicans say they want...as they keep re-electing the same people over and over again just like the Democrats.

Also, I've said it about 1,000 times now, we are not going to be in Idiocracy someday, we are there now! Look at the leading candidates on both sides.

Awful what has become of the country - the leadership, and the voters who keep sending them up there.

From two years ago, 10 things that were already predicted in Idiocracy: http://www.mandatory.com/2013/08/09/10-things-idiocracy-predicted-would-happen-and-sadly-already/

Trump or Carson versus Sanders or Clinton is going down the road to President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Rock, I wish I knew more about 7th Day Adventism. At least he bootstrapped it up like the Industrial Engineer just elected Lt. Gov. in Kentucky. These are people that the "black lives matter" people should be praising and emulating...

[Serenity Now]

what the attraction that Ben Carson has to the Pubs? The following is why I ask...

Joseph built the great pyramids to store grain.
Homosexuality is learned behavior.
Dept. of Ed. should be tasked to investigate higher educators for political bias.
Theory of Evolution is the work of the devil.
Big Bang Theory is a fairy tale.
Climate change concerns are irrelevant.
So many more......

You can't make this stuff up! The above are "Carsonianisms" (new word I made up).
This man has said these things in public, interviews, on TeeVee, etc. For the life
of me, I don't understand how/why he is polling at the top of the GOP candidate field.

While I disagree with many on this board about your politics, I respect your right to
them. By extension, I respect your input and seek to understand the appeal the
leading "candidate" has. So, help me out, please. TIA.

Higher education has been making brainwashed kids stretch their brain for a long time. It's not indoctrination, it's the addition of critical thinking. Many kids go left after leaving their parent's nest. They migrate back right. The guys I went to college with are probably 98% conservative. I joke that we had more homosexuals than democrats. They weren't conservative when they were 18-23.

Carson is the black guy that some can support to prove that they don't hate on Obama due to his race. :)

[rock on sooner]

Champ77, I didn't ask anything about understanding Carson, I asked help in
understanding his appeal to so many Pubs. Also, I didn't even mention Obama
anywhere in my OP. "Intentionally mislead or lie...." so you are saying what Carson
says is true?

TDTW, "not connected to D.C." Okay, I can buy that, but willing to overlook or
ignore what he espouses? Wow...

THA, Trump was the one who brought up SDA, not sure it plays much in Carson,
though, clearly, some SDA beliefs are in line with some of his stated positions.

Thanks for the interesting responses....

[champions77]

Champ77, I didn't ask anything about understanding Carson, I asked help in
understanding his appeal to so many Pubs. Also, I didn't even mention Obama
anywhere in my OP. "Intentionally mislead or lie...." so you are saying what Carson
says is true?

TDTW, "not connected to D.C." Okay, I can buy that, but willing to overlook or
ignore what he espouses? Wow...

THA, Trump was the one who brought up SDA, not sure it plays much in Carson,
though, clearly, some SDA beliefs are in line with some of his stated positions.

Thanks for the interesting responses....

I left out the part about Carson is of the position that homosexuality is a "learned" behavior. I heard him being interviewed about if he really felt that way, and his response was "what about inmates that are heterosexual in arriving in prison but become homosexuals later on". Interesting response.

[FaninAma]

what the attraction that Ben Carson has to the Pubs? The following is why I ask...

Joseph built the great pyramids to store grain.
Homosexuality is learned behavior.
Dept. of Ed. should be tasked to investigate higher educators for political bias.
Theory of Evolution is the work of the devil.
Big Bang Theory is a fairy tale.
Climate change concerns are irrelevant.
So many more......

You can't make this stuff up! The above are "Carsonianisms" (new word I made up).
This man has said these things in public, interviews, on TeeVee, etc. For the life
of me, I don't understand how/why he is polling at the top of the GOP candidate field.

While I disagree with many on this board about your politics, I respect your right to
them. By extension, I respect your input and seek to understand the appeal the
leading "candidate" has. So, help me out, please. TIA.
I am sure he said exactly what you posted. The fact that you obviously vehemently disagree with his stances on the issues you listed indicates it would be a total waste of time trying to make you understand. It's also why the Liberals keep getting their @$$es handed to them in local and state elections. You are unteachable and unwilling to look at any point of view outside of your own liberal religion.

[FaninAma]

Rock, I wish I knew more about 7th Day Adventism. At least he bootstrapped it up like the Industrial Engineer just elected Lt. Gov. in Kentucky. These are people that the "black lives matter" people should be praising and emulating...

if you have any questions about the Seventh-Day Adventists i will be happy to answer them.

[FaninAma]

Carson is the black guy that some can support to prove that they don't hate on Obama due to his race. :)
Sometimnes you are tolearable and worth responding toOther times you are FOS and I am tempted to put you on ignore. this is one of those times.((yeah, I saw the smiley face)

Only liberals base decisions and expectations on race. If you are black and wonder off the liberal plantation you get excoriated and ridiculed by the liberal pit bulls in the entertainment and establishment media because you are terrified at the fact that if the liberal candidate doesn't get 90+% of the vote he or she gets trounced in whatever election they are running in.

[rock on sooner]

I am sure he said exactly what you posted. The fact that you obviously vehemently disagree with his stances on the issues you listed indicates it would be a total waste of time trying to make you understand. It's also why the Liberals keep getting their @$$es handed to them in local and state elections. You are unteachable and unwilling to look at any point of view outside of your own liberal religion.

Sorry that you label me as "unteachable and unwilling to look at any point outside..."
Let me offer this...at different stages of my life I have attended Pentecostal Holiness
churches, "Union churches" (multidenominational, as in small community), Methodist,
a smidge of Catholic, and am currently a member of United Church of Christ. I pride
myself as being open minded, absolutely willing to learn, have a fair intellect and more
tolerance of insults after 70 years of life than anyone on this board. So, my friend, I
am STILL waiting for any explanation (outside of "outside of D.C.") of the appeal of
Carson to the Pubs.

[champions77]

Sorry that you label me as "unteachable and unwilling to look at any point outside..."
Let me offer this...at different stages of my life I have attended Pentecostal Holiness
churches, "Union churches" (multidenominational, as in small community), Methodist,
a smidge of Catholic, and am currently a member of United Church of Christ. I pride
myself as being open minded, absolutely willing to learn, have a fair intellect and more
tolerance of insults after 70 years of life than anyone on this board. So, my friend, I
am STILL waiting for any explanation (outside of "outside of D.C.") of the appeal of
Carson to the Pubs.

I think someone stated it earlier, he's not part of the Republican establishment. He will not lie and cheat his way through the Presidency. He will uphold his oath to protect and defend the Us Constitution. He will not be bought. He will not engage in crony capitalism. He will not grant millions from the Treasury to special interest companies like green energy and then sit back and garner campaign contributions from the same companies. He will surround himself with experts that will be honest with him and advise him as to the best choices for our nation. He will at all times make decisions that are in our Nation's best interest. Not make decisions that are not necessarily in HIS best interest.
For those folks out there that still are of the opinion that honesty and truthfulness are not important traits of any person running for office, whether it be the City Council, Mayor, Governor or the Executive office, please rethink that position. Those traits are the MOST important traits or virtues of anyone, much less one that you are willing to vest power, authority and control to.
Never in our Nation's history have we come to the point where someone running for the highest office is more devoid of those traits than Hillary Rodham Clinton. At least where it was known. Never.

[FaninAma]

Sorry that you label me as "unteachable and unwilling to look at any point outside..."
Let me offer this...at different stages of my life I have attended Pentecostal Holiness
churches, "Union churches" (multidenominational, as in small community), Methodist,
a smidge of Catholic, and am currently a member of United Church of Christ. I pride
myself as being open minded, absolutely willing to learn, have a fair intellect and more
tolerance of insults after 70 years of life than anyone on this board. So, my friend, I
am STILL waiting for any explanation (outside of "outside of D.C.") of the appeal of
Carson to the Pubs.
First of all the tone of your post indicates to me you really aren't serious about having an intelligent discussion of views you credit to Carson. You couched them in a derogatory way intending to make Carson seem as unreasonable and out of touch as possible..

Let's take them one at a time. Do you take issue with the Biblical version of how Joseph convinced the Pharoah that Egypt was about to enter a prolonged famine and the Pharoah put him in charge of making sure the Egyptian kingdom was prepared for the famine. Joseph was put in charge of building and filling the grain storages. So are you saying this historical account is a fairytale or do you disagree with how Carson relays it?

[olevetonahill]

By the same Token, What is the appeal of any of em to any Sane voter?

As to Carson, I havnt even looked at those allegations, is this something he actually said, Or is it things the MSM have seized on one sentence of a statement he made and blown out of proportion?

[TAFBSooner]

I think someone stated it earlier, he's not part of the Republican establishment. He will not lie and cheat his way through the Presidency. He will uphold his oath to protect and defend the Us Constitution. He will not be bought. He will not engage in crony capitalism. He will not grant millions from the Treasury to special interest companies like green energy and then sit back and garner campaign contributions from the same companies. He will surround himself with experts that will be honest with him and advise him as to the best choices for our nation. He will at all times make decisions that are in our Nation's best interest. Not make decisions that are not necessarily in HIS best interest.
For those folks out there that still are of the opinion that honesty and truthfulness are not important traits of any person running for office, whether it be the City Council, Mayor, Governor or the Executive office, please rethink that position. Those traits are the MOST important traits or virtues of anyone, much less one that you are willing to vest power, authority and control to.
Never in our Nation's history have we come to the point where someone running for the highest office is more devoid of those traits than Hillary Rodham Clinton. At least where it was known. Never.

To sum up: you really believe that Dr. Carson is completely truthful and would never lie to the American people. In other words, he really believes that:

Joseph built the great pyramids to store grain.
Homosexuality is learned behavior.
Dept. of Ed. should be tasked to investigate higher educators for political bias.
Theory of Evolution is the work of the devil.
Big Bang Theory is a fairy tale.
Climate change concerns are irrelevant.

(Regarding the third line, even worse is he wants students to monitor and report on their professors.)

How many of you will sign up to really believing all of those things? If so, be prepared to explain why the pyramids are mostly solid rock.

Taking this a step farther, if we have the chance to elect a really honest person as president, that is wonderful and counts for more than his having a few crackpot ideas. (Must . . . resist . . . summoning . . . Godwin.)

Rock, re-reading the list I bet some on this board will sign up for all but the pyramids deal. I'm afraid we need more Carson crackpot concepts to fully make the point.

[olevetonahill]

TAFB Some times Yall are hilarious. You use Carson's statements to run down Members of the Board even it seems those who havnt committed to anyone yet,

Granted he said some stupid **** but havnt they ALL?

Do you recall oBOOmy saying he had visited all 57 states?

[hawaii 5-0]

Other than being on the Board of a coupla large companies I still see nothing that qualifies Carson to be President.

Hope and Change v2.0 I guess.

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[hawaii 5-0]

if you have any questions about the Seventh-Day Adventists i will be happy to answer them.

Do you eat meat and intake caffiene ?

BTW I'm a volunteer at my local hospital, run by the Adventists. I've nothing against them.

5-0

[REDREX]

Anything is better than Baracks "Change and Hope"

[Soonerjeepman]

Rock, do u have ANY evidence that homosexuality is biological? I have never seen any proof much to libs dismay.

As far as Carson...he SEEMS diff than the status quo...same with trump. At least pubs are looking at candidates that seem way off...the dems are going for Clinton 2...same **** different day....after complaining about the gov leaders.

[rock on sooner]

Rock, do u have ANY evidence that homosexuality is biological? I have never seen any proof much to libs dismay.

As far as Carson...he SEEMS diff than the status quo...same with trump. At least pubs are looking at candidates that seem way off...the dems are going for Clinton 2...same **** different day....after complaining about the gov leaders.

I can't quote a specific source but at least a half dozen different folks came out after
Carson said that...all saying that he was not correct and that homosexuality is not
learned and that is biological in nature. There is no question that Trump and Carson
differ from the status quo, and, know what? That's great! Only issue is that neither
of those men have a clue as to how to run the gov't. Remember how many have come
before and then just fell in line with all that is Washington? It truly is frightening to
imagine Carson asleep in front of the Chinese or Russians! Even more so is Trump with
all his bluster in dealing with those folks...WWIII oh so close....jus sayin...

[Turd_Ferguson]

I can't quote a specific source but at least a half dozen different folks came out after
Carson said that...all saying that he was not correct and that homosexuality is not
learned and that is biological in nature. There is no question that Trump and Carson
differ from the status quo, and, know what? That's great! Only issue is that neither
of those men have a clue as to how to run the gov't. Remember how many have come
before and then just fell in line with all that is Washington? It truly is frightening to
imagine Carson asleep in front of the Chinese or Russians! Even more so is Trump with
all his bluster in dealing with those folks...WWIII oh so close....jus sayin...

This may be the most asinine post I've read of yours...

[Soonerjeepman]

I can't quote a specific source but at least a half dozen different folks came out after
Carson said that...all saying that he was not correct and that homosexuality is not
learned and that is biological in nature. There is no question that Trump and Carson
differ from the status quo, and, know what? That's great! Only issue is that neither
of those men have a clue as to how to run the gov't. Remember how many have come
before and then just fell in line with all that is Washington? It truly is frightening to
imagine Carson asleep in front of the Chinese or Russians! Even more so is Trump with
all his bluster in dealing with those folks...WWIII oh so close....jus sayin...

Rock, c'mon man...I know you're a fairly balanced guy, but seriously, you wrote that? Both you and I KNOW that if there was ANY SCIENTIFIC evidence that it's biological it would be the biggest news ever. Yet not one shred.

As far as carson and trump running the country...I halfway agree...not that I'm voting for either but your OP asked why they were attractive.

[Serenity Now]

I think Carson was surely a great doc. He's probably very honest. He has some ideas that lead to not being open minded at all and not using evidence based knowledge (the pyramids?).

He also has no clue about the big issues. He rates horrible on politifact. Hell, trump comes over more truthful and he's a liar.

The :) was meant to show I wasn't being serious.

[olevetonahill]

Politifact is nothing more than a Lib/Dem shill.
The attractiveness of Carson at this point is his refreshing NEWNESS and honesty

[Soonerjeepman]

unfortunately we have a $hit Show about to happen. Clinton lies just as much as the others, Sanders is a frickin fruit cake and just as unstabale as Carson and Trump...the dem candidates are just as bad...tell me why you all like them so much?

[Serenity Now]

Politifact is nothing more than a Lib/Dem shill.
The attractiveness of Carson at this point is his refreshing NEWNESS and honesty
Isn't it crazy that the left is so focused on fact checking. I wonder why?

[Soonerjeepman]

Isn't it crazy that the left is so focused on fact checking. I wonder why?

now that is funny...

[hawaii 5-0]

Maybe a better question should be "why can't the Repubs properly vet their own candidates ?"

Some of Carson's statements and beliefs are really out there.

At some point even the followers of faith have to sit up and say "Whoah ! That was one even I never heard. "

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[hawaii 5-0]

Isn't it crazy that the left is so focused on fact checking. I wonder why?

Because the Repubs take everything said by 'one of their own' as truth beyond reproach. I use quotations because hey, not too long ago Trump was a Dem. Lots of folks think he still is.

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[hawaii 5-0]

Here's one by Carson.....

“Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no elected office experience.”

— Dr. Ben Carson, in a Facebook post, Nov. 4, 2015


The truth ?

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration, at least 27 had at least some elected office experience, primarily in Colonial assemblies.

Like a lot of candidates he makes stuff up.

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[yermom]

Isn't it crazy that the left is so focused on fact checking. I wonder why?

just like they hate snopes

[SicEmBaylor]

When I said there was a contingent of politically-active evangelicals that are bat**** crazy, this is 100% what I'm talking about. Carson is bat**** crazy.

[BoulderSooner79]

I don't get the Carson draw either. I've listened to him a few times and he comes across as a simpleton. You wouldn't think that possible of a brain surgeon. But I used to ride bikes with a bunch of surgeons and they were nothing more than glorified carpenters that had the persistence to get through a rigorous training program. "Glorified carpenters" was their term, not mine. I do get the outsider angle as I would like to see that too. But if Carson gets elected, I think we will have elected Chauncey Gardiner.

[Serenity Now]

I don't get the Carson draw either. I've listened to him a few times and he comes across as a simpleton. You wouldn't think that possible of a brain surgeon. But I used to ride bikes with a bunch of surgeons and they were nothing more than glorified carpenters that had the persistence to get through a rigorous training program. "Glorified carpenters" was their term, not mine. I do get the outsider angle as I would like to see that too. But if Carson gets elected, I think we will have elected Chauncey Gardiner.
He's SOOOO bland. Docs also joke amongst themselves that "how many surgeons have run their practice into the ground?"

[FaninAma]

When I said there was a contingent of politically-active evangelicals that are bat**** crazy, this is 100% what I'm talking about. Carson is bat**** crazy.
Then you graduated from a university that matriculated a lot of bat**** crazy people. I guess since you chose to go to the same school you are under a deep cloud of suspicion of being bat**** crazy.

You're right. The Egyptians only used the pyramids to house a few dead bodies. There is no way these massive structures could have been used to store anything else. No way were the Evyptians intelligent enough to plan ahead and store grain in them for potential lean years. Now that's what I call a bat**** crazy theory.
http://www.scottcreighton.co.uk/PDF-Files/Ten%20Facts%20that%20Contradict%20the%20Pyramid%20 Tomb%20Theory.pdf

[FaninAma]

He's SOOOO bland. Docs also joke amongst themselves that "how many surgeons have run their practice into the ground?"
I've known quite a few surgeons and doctors and I have never heard that. BTW, Carsonworked for John Hopkins not himself. Quit being ignorant. Worry about how much lipstick you Democrats are going to have to use on hillary to convince anybody but your low information voters to vote for that pig.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

if you have any questions about the Seventh-Day Adventists i will be happy to answer them.

I would be interested in learning of the theology of the religion and how their beliefs differ (if they do) from traditional Protestant religions like Lutheranism or Methodists. More to understand the candidate and where he is coming from.

[FaninAma]

I would be interested in learning of the theology of the religion and how their beliefs differ (if they do) from traditional Protestant religions like Lutheranism or Methodists. More to understand the candidate and where he is coming from.

SDAs beleive the Sabath was not changed due to Christ's resurrection on Sunday so we still observe Saturday as the Sabath. We believe faith and acceptance of Christ is the way to Heaven...not works. We believe in the forgiveness of sins through repentance and acceptance of Christ. We believe in the Holy Trinity. We have a different view of the millinealist approach that can be summarized here(there will be a tribulation but no rapture):

Central to Adventist eschatology is Christ's second advent.
[7] According to Adventist
teaching, Christ entered into the holy place of the heavenly temple on Good Friday and
remained there for eighteen centuries to plead His blood on behalf of sinners. In 1844
(2,300 "prophetic days" or years after 457 B.C.--Dan. 8:14), Christ entered the heavenly
holy of holies to begin investigating the conduct of believers an "investigative judgment"
which will last until His second advent. When people die, they become non-existent in
body and soul until this second coming. Just before Christ returns, those who were
responsible for His trial and crucifixion (Rev. 1:7) and the faithful members of the
Adventist denomination who died after 1844 (Rev. 14:13) will be raised to see Him
come. At His return Christ will destroy the beast, the false prophet, and the wicked who
made war against God and His people at Armageddon (Rev. 16:12-16; 19:11-21).
Satan will have the sins of the world placed upon him as a "scapegoat" and will be
consigned to a desolate earth for 1000 years (Rev. 20:1-3). At the same time, all
believers who died before 1844 and all non- Adventist believers who died after 1844 will
be raised (Rev. 20:4-6). All believers who are still alive will be transformed, and both
groups will go to heaven to rule with Christ 1000 years. During this period, Christ and
the believers will rule for the purpose of investigating the lives of the unbelievers and
determining the amount of suffering they will have to experience. After the millennium
the wicked will be raised, they will suffer in various degrees on earth, and they will be
gathered by Satan for a final assault on the heavenly Jerusalem which has just
descended (Rev. 20:7-9). Following this, God will annihilate Satan, his evil angels, and
all the wicked. Christ and all believers will then live forever on the new earth.


SDA's emphasize healthy living and healthy eating but it is not a requirement that one follow any special diet to be a member(i.e. you do not have to be a vegetarian.) They believe that other Christians of other faiths will go to Heaven. They also believe that people of other religions and even areligious people who never were given the opportunity to know about Jesus Christ will be in Heaven. We believe Catholics are true Christians although SDA's believe strongly that there should not have to be an intercedent between a believer and God/Christ(i.e. we find it unnecessary to have to confess our sins to a priest and that there is no one human representative of Christ on earth(i.e. the Pope). Of course that latter belief originated with Martin Luther during the Reformation and decreased the liklihood of Christianity becoming a cult of personality..

SDA's spend a large part of their budget on education/schools and missionary work. At one time the SDAs were only trailed the Mormons and the Catholics in the total number of missionaries they sent to other countries. Loma Linda University is the flagship university of the SDA's university system but they have serval others.

I have attended a lot of Lutheran churches(Missouri Synod) and except for attending on Sunday and the Lutheran tendency to have more ceremonial constructs to their services their beliefs and practices are very similar to SDA's.

[SoonerProphet]

Then you graduated from a university that matriculated a lot of bat**** crazy people. I guess since you chose to go to the same school you are under a deep cloud of suspicion of being bat**** crazy.

You're right. The Egyptians only used the pyramids to house a few dead bodies. There is no way these massive structures could have been used to store anything else. No way were the Evyptians intelligent enough to plan ahead and store grain in them for potential lean years. Now that's what I call a bat**** crazy theory.
http://www.scottcreighton.co.uk/PDF-Files/Ten%20Facts%20that%20Contradict%20the%20Pyramid%20 Tomb%20Theory.pdf

Scott Creighton, talk about batsh1t crazy. Seen "scholars" on Ancient Aliens with better theories.

[FaninAma]

Scott Creighton, talk about batsh1t crazy. Seen "scholars" on Ancient Aliens with better theories.
Why do you appear as Sicem's big bro standing up for him whenever I post something negative to him? Very curious. I am starting to think Sicem has at least 2 sock puppets on this board.

[SoonerProphet]

Why do you appear as Sicem's big bro standing up for him whenever I post something negative to him? Very curious. I am starting to think Sicem has at least 2 sock puppets on this board.

Dude, you are using this 9/11 truther to trot out some lame *** argument about the pyramids. This guy is a joke, kinda like that literature you posted on Tom Paine and the revolution. If you are trying to some how defend the batsh!t crazies, you are failing.

Sic em speaks for himself, don't be so paranoid.

[FaninAma]

Dude, you are using this 9/11 truther to trot out some lame *** argument about the pyramids. This guy is a joke, kinda like that literature you posted on Tom Paine and the revolution. If you are trying to some how defend the batsh!t crazies, you are failing.

Sic em speaks for himself, don't be so paranoid.

So which candidate do you support Prophet? Are you just a **** that likes to criticize others' beliefs and the candidates they support. Lay some of your convictions out on the line and lets have a go at them. Jackass. I personally support Cruz but think Carson is a good man and the attacks that are coming from the left wing press who could care less about the gaping holes in obama's personal history make me sick.

BTW, Sicem should know better than join idiots like you in the criticism of Carson because others did the same thing to Ron Paul. I beleive the term bat**** crazy was used to describe Dr. Paul and his supporters. Yet Sicem is all too willing to join your ilk and do the same thing to another good man.

So,lets see what you beleive in or who you support if you aren't a coward. I suspect i'll be waiting a long time.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Thanks FaninAma, appreciate the update. As a Lutheran, outside of the word and deeds aspect of our faith, I don't see too much dissimilar outside of heaven narrative/belief. Do SDA have a hierarchical structure in the church like Lutherans or is it locally based? And yea, don't know why there needs to be an intercedent to talk to God and Jesus. He hears all our prayers.

[Soonerjeepman]

speaking of Ben Carson....

but it's from faux news so I'm sure our lib friends won't agree...lol

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/06/paper-carson-campaign-admits-his-claims-about-west-point-acceptance-untrue/

ugh, I TOLD MYSELF NO MORE...it's like I'm a moth to a bright light...just stay away!

[SoonerProphet]

So which candidate do you support Prophet? Are you just a **** that likes to criticize others' beliefs and the candidates they support. Lay some of your convictions out on the line and lets have a go at them. Jackass. I personally support Cruz but think Carson is a good man and the attacks that are coming from the left wing press who could care less about the gaping holes in obama's personal history make me sick.

BTW, Sicem should know better than join idiots like you in the criticism of Carson because others did the same thing to Ron Paul. I beleive the term bat**** crazy was used to describe Dr. Paul and his supporters. Yet Sicem is all too willing to join your ilk and do the same thing to another good man.

So,lets see what you beleive in or who you support if you aren't a coward. I suspect i'll be waiting a long time.

For someone who got all butt hurt over ad hominem attacks, you sure can dish it out. Maybe its because you have nothing real of substance to add but kooky theories over the pyramids.

I have very little respect for any of the current crop of candidates. By and large they are all thieves and liars, this is what our modern political system has wrought. I have mentioned in passing that I was a fan of some of the polices supported by Rand Paul and would tend to align myself more with the libertarian wing of the gop, but I have issues with some of Rand's rhetoric on other policies. If you want specifics just ask. I hate Hillary and and deeply concerned about humanitarian interventionists just as much as I was regarding neocons.

I do reject the whole my guy might be a liar and a crook but yours is worse mentality. You seem to take this awfully personal on both sides, surely you are not naive enough to think you guy is a pure as the driven snow while the other's is the epitome of evil, but then again you may be.

As far as Carson goes, read an interesting article regarding his West Point "scholarship" and Westmoreland comments in a book might be less than true, but he wouldnt lie and is a good man cause you said so. Everyone needs a hero, glad you have one.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

speaking of Ben Carson....

but it's from faux news so I'm sure our lib friends won't agree...lol

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/06/paper-carson-campaign-admits-his-claims-about-west-point-acceptance-untrue/

ugh, I TOLD MYSELF NO MORE...it's like I'm a moth to a bright light...just stay away!

This should just about end his candidacy. I would have voted for him, but now, no.

[FaninAma]

Just so we're on the same page I would ask you review the thread and identify where it veered off into the ditch. I'm all too happy to get down in the mud with you if that's where you want to conduct the discussion.

[SoonerProphet]

Just so we're on the same page I would ask you review the thread and identify where it veered off into the ditch. I'm all too happy to get down in the mud with you if that's where you want to conduct the discussion.

Is this at me?

[hawaii 5-0]

Is this at me?


Me thinks it veered off around post #8.

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[hawaii 5-0]

This should just about end his candidacy. I would have voted for him, but now, no.

What about the part where he claims to taking a hammer to his mother ?

Don't you find that a little disconcerting in a Presidential Candidate ?

As asked before.......why don't the Repubs vet their candidates ??

5-0

[hawaii 5-0]

Also.......

Carson's new 'rap' radio ad really ought to bring in both of the black voters in Iowa.

5-0

[FaninAma]

Me thinks it veered off around post #8.

5-0

I'm talking about this thread, skippy.
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?187735-Would-you-support-a-penny-sales-tax-to-support-education

Criticizing how or what somebody posts equates to calling Evangelical Christians bat **** crazy in your Alice in Wonderland world? OK.

And SN's little smiley face post trying to imply critics of Obama are racists is tired old BS.

I guess that is where the state of political discourse is today. We can point fingers all day long at which side is primarily responsible , but I came to the conclusion about 5 or 6 years ago that it really doesn't matter to the left if your concerns and observations are sincere or reasonable....if you oppose their dazzling brilliance on any matter it is because you are a racist, a misongynist, a homophobe, a hater of the poor, greedy or just bat **** crazy. So screw 'em. I no longer care to try and get along with or be polite to most liberals and I will engage is serious, polite debate only if the same is returned or used by those who disagree with me.

[TAFBSooner]

TAFB Some times Yall are hilarious. You use Carson's statements to run down Members of the Board even it seems those who havnt committed to anyone yet,

Granted he said some stupid **** but havnt they ALL?

Do you recall oBOOmy saying he had visited all 57 states?

Pretty sure I was talking to people who supported Carson or leaned that way. That's about 24% or so of Republican voters who are invested enough to have an opinion already.

If any of the conservatives on the board are really claiming honesty as the most important quality in a presidential candidate, I give you Bernie Sanders. Oh, I forgot, being a Democratic Socialist is even worse than being a liar (in yall's not so humble opinion).

[FaninAma]

Dude, you are using this 9/11 truther to trot out some lame *** argument about the pyramids. This guy is a joke, kinda like that literature you posted on Tom Paine and the revolution. If you are trying to some how defend the batsh!t crazies, you are failing.

Sic em speaks for himself, don't be so paranoid.

BTW, dumbass, the Scott Creighton who wrote about the pyramids lives in Scotland and writes about archeologic mysteries and is not the same Scott Creighton who writes the 9/11 truther articles.
http://www.scottcreighton.co.uk/

The Scott creighton who writes the 9/11 artticles lives in the US and attended JMU and VCU. The Google function is a dangerous tool in the hands of a moron.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/authorspage.php?sid=16622&entry=&o=y

I didn't think it was possible but you are a bigger idiot than Sooner8th.

[Serenity Now]

BTW, dumbass, the Scott Creighton who wrote about the pyramids lives in Scotland and writes about archeologic mysteries and is not the same Scott Creighton who writes the 9/11 truther articles.
http://www.scottcreighton.co.uk/

The Scott creighton who writes the 9/11 artticles lives in the US and attended JMU and VCU. The Google function is a dangerous tool in the hands of a moron.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/authorspage.php?sid=16622&entry=&o=y

I didn't think it was possible but you are a bigger idiot than Sooner8th.
What a dick!

I did not imply that some liked Carson to prove they're not racists. It was a joke. If I meant it I would have been much more subtle about it. You got butt hurt pretty quick here Sally.

[olevetonahill]

Pretty sure I was talking to people who supported Carson or leaned that way. That's about 24% or so of Republican voters who are invested enough to have an opinion already.

If any of the conservatives on the board are really claiming honesty as the most important quality in a presidential candidate, I give you Bernie Sanders. Oh, I forgot, being a Democratic Socialist is even worse than being a liar (in yall's not so humble opinion).

Im Durnk ok? But give me a Break ok?
So in Yer Opinion The Lying Bitch/cun# that yer Party espouses is a Great?

[hawaii 5-0]

So screw 'em. I no longer care to try and get along with or be polite to most liberals and I will engage is serious, polite debate only if the same is returned or used by those who disagree with me.

Trouble is that your batshlt crazy attitude turns off libs as well as swing voting Moderates like myself. As far as convincing one to vote Repub you're failing miserably.

Pander to the Repub base and feel better if that's all you care about.

If some other, more intelligent poster want's to convince me to vote Repub, lemme know. I'm looking for a candidate who'll commit to work to unite, not pledge to divide.

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[Tear Down This Wall]

Champ77, I didn't ask anything about understanding Carson, I asked help in
understanding his appeal to so many Pubs. Also, I didn't even mention Obama
anywhere in my OP. "Intentionally mislead or lie...." so you are saying what Carson
says is true?

TDTW, "not connected to D.C." Okay, I can buy that, but willing to overlook or
ignore what he espouses? Wow...

THA, Trump was the one who brought up SDA, not sure it plays much in Carson,
though, clearly, some SDA beliefs are in line with some of his stated positions.

Thanks for the interesting responses....

But, it's okay for Dems to ignore what Sanders and Hillary espouse?

[Ton Loc]

But, it's okay for Dems to ignore what Sanders and Hillary espouse?

You dumb asses can't stay on topic. Thread is about Carson - no one else. Its like arguing with a significant other when they know they are wrong - all they bring is a bunch of bad **** you did in the past that doesn't apply now.

Carson is cracks me up. The election is a year out. He's not a serious candidate, just fodder for SNL to have fun with.

[FaninAma]

You dumb asses can't stay on topic. Thread is about Carson - no one else. Its like arguing with a significant other when they know they are wrong - all they bring is a bunch of bad **** you did in the past that doesn't apply now.

Carson is cracks me up. The election is a year out. He's not a serious candidate, just fodder for SNL to have fun with.

Get used to it Bucky because the Democrats are betting on the nag of all nags in the POTUS Derby. Any attempt to malign the GOP candidates character or veracity will only draw a comparision to HRC and will be thrown right back in your collective faces. If they don't like it they should have offered up a candidate with a few less warts, pockmarks, blemishes and crevices on their moral character.

[TAFBSooner]

Im Durnk ok? But give me a Break ok?
So in Yer Opinion The Lying Bitch/cun# that yer Party espouses is a Great?

OK, but yer not as thunk as pipple drink.

Wasn't sayin nothin' about Hillary. I was just touting Bernie. If your main criterion is honesty, he has the rest of the field (both sides) beat. He has pretty much stuck with the same message for three or four decades.

[hawaii 5-0]

Interesting to learn at the Repub debate last night from Dr. Carson that the Chinese are now in Syria.

Those over there who like Dim Sum, Kung Pao Beef and Peking Duck will be very happy.

5-0

[Serenity Now]

He will show up on Ancient Aliens someday.

[champions77]

Interesting to learn at the Repub debate last night from Dr. Carson that the Chinese are now in Syria.

Those over there who like Dim Sum, Kung Pao Beef and Peking Duck will be very happy.

5-0

Do you have access to an intelligence Agency that says the Chinese are not in Syria? The Chinese have denied that they are in Syria. So now we are to believe the veracity of the Chinese? You know that destroying conservative women and especially blacks is "job one" for the left. That knife to the belt buckle story was proven to be true, as well as some of the other claims by Dr. Carson, all after it didn't seem plausible by some leftists media types.

So unless you know that the dastardly Chinese are not in Syria, then at this point in time it would be best to shut your trap. On an honesty scale, comparing Dr. Carson to Hillary Clinton is like comparing Jesus to Barack Obama, who has taken lying to a new level in Presidential politics.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Do you have access to an intelligence Agency that says the Chinese are not in Syria? The Chinese have denied that they are in Syria. So now we are to believe the veracity of the Chinese? You know that destroying conservative women and especially blacks is "job one" for the left. That knife to the belt buckle story was proven to be true, as well as some of the other claims by Dr. Carson, all after it didn't seem plausible by some leftists media types.

So unless you know that the dastardly Chinese are not in Syria, then at this point in time it would be best to shut your trap. On an honesty scale, comparing Dr. Carson to Hillary Clinton is like comparing Jesus to Barack Obama, who has taken lying to a new level in Presidential politics.

Nice ZING!

5-0, SN and their likes are the smartest mother****ers in the world, don't ya know...

[Serenity Now]

Do you have access to an intelligence Agency that says the Chinese are not in Syria? The Chinese have denied that they are in Syria. So now we are to believe the veracity of the Chinese? You know that destroying conservative women and especially blacks is "job one" for the left. That knife to the belt buckle story was proven to be true, as well as some of the other claims by Dr. Carson, all after it didn't seem plausible by some leftists media types.

So unless you know that the dastardly Chinese are not in Syria, then at this point in time it would be best to shut your trap. On an honesty scale, comparing Dr. Carson to Hillary Clinton is like comparing Jesus to Barack Obama, who has taken lying to a new level in Presidential politics.

Even if the knife story was true, is he going for street cred? Why would you relate that crap? Same thing with the "I was in a Popeye's organization and said, you want that guy, not me". WTF?

I think he honestly believes the crap that he says. That should concern you more. His statements are proven to be less accurate, when FACT CHECKED, than Donald Trump. I mean, come on....

[champions77]

Nice ZING!

5-0, SN and their likes are the smartest mother****ers in the world, don't ya know...

I also get really tired of the Repubs are dumb and the Dems are so brilliant mantra. For being so intelligent, the Dems sure make some really stupid decisions.

I guess that comes naturally when working tirelessly into changing this country into their socialist utopia.

[champions77]

Even if the knife story was true, is he going for street cred? Why would you relate that crap? Same thing with the "I was in a Popeye's organization and said, you want that guy, not me". WTF?

I think he honestly believes the crap that he says. That should concern you more. His statements are proven to be less accurate, when FACT CHECKED, than Donald Trump. I mean, come on....

He's going for the change in his life because of his faith, and the work ethic he was brought up in. It's a great life story. Too bad he's not blacks role model instead of Al Sharpton, Barack and Jay Z. You should respect and admire him for that, instead of nit picking his past. You sure didn't spend much time digging into BHO's past.

[REDREX]

He's going for the change in his life because of his faith, and the work ethic he was brought up in. It's a great life story. Too bad he's not blacks role model instead of Al Sharpton, Barack and Jay Z. You should respect and admire him for that, instead of nit picking his past. You sure didn't spend much time digging into BHO's past.---Don't you know that there can't be a Black Conservative?---- Having Blacks be oppressed is an industry for Al Sharpton

[Tear Down This Wall]

Do you have access to an intelligence Agency that says the Chinese are not in Syria? The Chinese have denied that they are in Syria. So now we are to believe the veracity of the Chinese? You know that destroying conservative women and especially blacks is "job one" for the left. That knife to the belt buckle story was proven to be true, as well as some of the other claims by Dr. Carson, all after it didn't seem plausible by some leftists media types.

So unless you know that the dastardly Chinese are not in Syria, then at this point in time it would be best to shut your trap. On an honesty scale, comparing Dr. Carson to Hillary Clinton is like comparing Jesus to Barack Obama, who has taken lying to a new level in Presidential politics.

Sure! Barack and Kerry believe in the Iranians. Why not the Chinese as well? Foreign policy is so much easier when you just go along to get along.

[champions77]

---Don't you know that there can't be a Black Conservative?---- Having Blacks be oppressed is an industry for Al Sharpton

I recall JC Watts's statement when he first got to Congress. He called Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton "race hustling poverty pimps". No truer words have ever been spoken.

[REDREX]

I recall JC Watts's statement when he first got to Congress. He called Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton "race hustling poverty pimps". No truer words have ever been spoken.---Need to include Barack in that statement

[champions77]

---Need to include Barack in that statement

He's been the architect of racial unrest. He could have influenced outcomes at Mizzou. He chose to stay silent.

Pathetic.

[FaninAma]

In the SAE incident Boren played to the mob mentality of those wanting a pound of flesh from all of the dumb frat members. His handling of that incident may have been politically expedient at the time but it only insured that the next group of social justice warriors with an ax to grind at OU will be emboldened to make whatever outrageous demands they want.

[SoonerProphet]

Do you have access to an intelligence Agency that says the Chinese are not in Syria? The Chinese have denied that they are in Syria. So now we are to believe the veracity of the Chinese? You know that destroying conservative women and especially blacks is "job one" for the left. That knife to the belt buckle story was proven to be true, as well as some of the other claims by Dr. Carson, all after it didn't seem plausible by some leftists media types.

So unless you know that the dastardly Chinese are not in Syria, then at this point in time it would be best to shut your trap. On an honesty scale, comparing Dr. Carson to Hillary Clinton is like comparing Jesus to Barack Obama, who has taken lying to a new level in Presidential politics.

Post one credible site that affirms this nonsense. As to having access to intel, what does that appeal to authority prove? The intel for the Iraqi war was flawed and those who acted upon made one of the worst foreign policy blunders of the last century and they are the ones who need to be held accountable for the chaos that has over taken the region. Carson is way over his head on foreign policy, he is relying on the same bumbling idiots who took us down the path in Iraq and are stupid enough to do the same in Syria.

[hawaii 5-0]

That knife to the belt buckle story was proven to be true, as well as some of the other claims by Dr. Carson, all after it didn't seem plausible by some leftists media types.

.


Well, we can now all believe that Dr. Carson took a hammer to his mother.

That alone should qualify him to be the Republican nominee by your standards.

Carson is probably the one who shot Tupac as well, but we'll have to wait for his book sequel for him to tell us what the truth is.

Still, my favorite is Joseph using the pyramids to store grain. Now THAT takes faith.

5-0

[hawaii 5-0]

Nice ZING!

5-0, SN and their likes are the smartest mother****ers in the world, don't ya know...


Toad, you're still like the little yapping dog behind the safety of the closed screen door.

Interesting that you're the only one who has ever made the 'smartest' reference ad nauseum. It's lame and no one actually believes it. Try to improve your game just a little.

5-0

[hawaii 5-0]

In the SAE incident Boren played to the mob mentality of those wanting a pound of flesh from all of the dumb frat members. His handling of that incident may have been politically expedient at the time but it only insured that the next group of social justice warriors with an ax to grind at OU will be emboldened to make whatever outrageous demands they want.


Just curious....... are you or were you a SAE member ?

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[champions77]

Post one credible site that affirms this nonsense. As to having access to intel, what does that appeal to authority prove? The intel for the Iraqi war was flawed and those who acted upon made one of the worst foreign policy blunders of the last century and they are the ones who need to be held accountable for the chaos that has over taken the region. Carson is way over his head on foreign policy, he is relying on the same bumbling idiots who took us down the path in Iraq and are stupid enough to do the same in Syria.

Funny how you come to the conclusion that Carson is in "way over his head in foreign policy" all the while you defend our President who has quite possible been the very worst President in foreign policy in our history. The missteps of BHO in this arena are legendary. So forgive me if I am not impressed with your evaluation of Dr. Carson in foreign policy. To use our entry into Iraq as an excuse for some of the blunders of the last seven years is laughable. And you will be lock step for Hillary too won't you, despite her approval of the Iraq war?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I am sure he said exactly what you posted. The fact that you obviously vehemently disagree with his stances on the issues you listed indicates it would be a total waste of time trying to make you understand. It's also why the Liberals keep getting their @$$es handed to them in local and state elections. You are unteachable and unwilling to look at any point of view outside of your own liberal religion.Says it all.

[SoonerProphet]

Funny how you come to the conclusion that Carson is in "way over his head in foreign policy" all the while you defend our President who has quite possible been the very worst President in foreign policy in our history. The missteps of BHO in this arena are legendary. So forgive me if I am not impressed with your evaluation of Dr. Carson in foreign policy. To use our entry into Iraq as an excuse for some of the blunders of the last seven years is laughable. And you will be lock step for Hillary too won't you, despite her approval of the Iraq war?

You forgot to post a credible link to our intel backing up the good Doc's assertion of Chinese military involvement in Syria. Can you find one? if you would like to start a thread on HRC's sh*tty foreign policy record, feel free. This is a thread discussing Dr. Carson, in his debate the other night his gibberish regarding China, Russia, and Syria should lead most to feel he is unqualified for Commander in Chief.

[champions77]

You forgot to post a credible link to our intel backing up the good Doc's assertion of Chinese military involvement in Syria. Can you find one? if you would like to start a thread on HRC's sh*tty foreign policy record, feel free. This is a thread discussing Dr. Carson, in his debate the other night his gibberish regarding China, Russia, and Syria should lead most to feel he is unqualified for Commander in Chief.

Nice. Do you think that Dr. Carson may have advisors that are privy to intell that I, or most anyone else is not privy to?

Why is it that you leftist goons try and diminish a person's character with every fiber of your body, when your Party puts up some of the most dishonest, nefarious scumbags ever seen on the American political landscape?
Again, if in fact during the next 9 months or so Dr. Carson proves himself to be a man that stretches the truth, or is deemed a bona fide liar, the Republican Party will vette him out. We do a pretty good job of removing ones that prove to be dishonest, unlike the Democratic Party, which as far as I can determine, # 1 criteria for their support is if he or she can win?

On a rare occasion do the Dems reject a candidate because they somehow don't measure up to their "moral compass". Why else would they gleefully support someone as tawdry and corrupt as Hillary Clinton? Honesty and integrity are not virtues that Democratic Party holds in very high esteem. I think that is pretty evident.

[TAFBSooner]

<snip>
Why is it that you leftist goons try and diminish a person's character with every fiber of your body, <snip>

Hmmm.

[SoonerProphet]

Nice. Do you think that Dr. Carson may have advisors that are privy to intell that I, or most anyone else is not privy to?

Why is it that you leftist goons try and diminish a person's character with every fiber of your body, when your Party puts up some of the most dishonest, nefarious scumbags ever seen on the American political landscape?
Again, if in fact during the next 9 months or so Dr. Carson proves himself to be a man that stretches the truth, or is deemed a bona fide liar, the Republican Party will vette him out. We do a pretty good job of removing ones that prove to be dishonest, unlike the Democratic Party, which as far as I can determine, # 1 criteria for their support is if he or she can win?

On a rare occasion do the Dems reject a candidate because they somehow don't measure up to their "moral compass". Why else would they gleefully support someone as tawdry and corrupt as Hillary Clinton? Honesty and integrity are not virtues that Democratic Party holds in very high esteem. I think that is pretty evident.

Still waiting on your credible source linking the People Liberation Army killing jihadis in Syria.

[Serenity Now]

Still waiting on your credible source linking the People Liberation Army killing jihadis in Syria.
Chirp. Chirp. Chirp.

[hawaii 5-0]

Maybe Dr. Carson meant to say that Panda Express was opening a restaurant somewhere in the Middle East.

They were gonna store their fortune cookies in the Great Pyramid of Damascus.


5-0

[yermom]

Nice. Do you think that Dr. Carson may have advisors that are privy to intell that I, or most anyone else is not privy to?

Why is it that you leftist goons try and diminish a person's character with every fiber of your body, when your Party puts up some of the most dishonest, nefarious scumbags ever seen on the American political landscape?
Again, if in fact during the next 9 months or so Dr. Carson proves himself to be a man that stretches the truth, or is deemed a bona fide liar, the Republican Party will vette him out. We do a pretty good job of removing ones that prove to be dishonest, unlike the Democratic Party, which as far as I can determine, # 1 criteria for their support is if he or she can win?

On a rare occasion do the Dems reject a candidate because they somehow don't measure up to their "moral compass". Why else would they gleefully support someone as tawdry and corrupt as Hillary Clinton? Honesty and integrity are not virtues that Democratic Party holds in very high esteem. I think that is pretty evident.

So he has intel no one else has, and shares it on TV?

Do you even read what you write?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Why is it that you leftist goons try and diminish a person's character with every fiber of your body, when your Party puts up some of the most dishonest, nefarious scumbags ever seen on the American political landscape?
Again, if in fact during the next 9 months or so Dr. Carson proves himself to be a man that stretches the truth, or is deemed a bona fide liar, the Republican Party will vette him out. We do a pretty good job of removing ones that prove to be dishonest, unlike the Democratic Party, which as far as I can determine, # 1 criteria for their support is if he or she can win?

On a rare occasion do the Dems reject a candidate because they somehow don't measure up to their "moral compass". Why else would they gleefully support someone as tawdry and corrupt as Hillary Clinton? Honesty and integrity are not virtues that Democratic Party holds in very high esteem. I think that is pretty evident.This is not complicated, nor controversial...But, you can bet it will be disputed by our leftist participants.

[yermom]

This is not complicated, nor controversial...But, you can bet it will be disputed by our leftist participants.

scumbag is apparently a relative term

[champions77]

This is not complicated, nor controversial...But, you can bet it will be disputed by our leftist participants.

Poor Ben. He's black, he's a conservative, and my gosh he's a Christian too.That makes him enemy No. 1 to the libs. Isn't it interesting how thin skinned the left is when there is any criticism of a black....(it has to be racism) but if you're like Ben, everything changes.

And now we see more of the left on College Campuses, where the First Amendment, more specifically Freedom of Speech is not allowed. Where conservative Professors are not allowed, where conservative speakers....are not welcome. It used to be, that a College Campus, was a place to exchange freely your ideas with others. If you disagreed, then a respectful conversation between the disagreeing parties could be conducted. Where all ideas, values and principles....were all examples of "diversity" and 'tolerance". Not any longer.

And now we have Mizzou, a place where unsubstantiated and unverified acts of racism is met with acts of defiance and demands for the President to step down, or the football team will not play, all without due process or the allowance of a dissenting voice to be heard. Where today, if enough racism cannot be found, you produce the racism so that you can practice civil unrest, insurrection and maybe even a riot or two. Congrats progressives. As this movement takes hold around the country, if you are really efficient at your trade, you might even get yourself a Civil War, kill a few folks, burn down a few buildings. Now that would be progress!!

Why is it the dissenters that are the most unruly, disrespectful, rude and irreverent individuals....are always products of the left?

[BoulderSooner79]

Why is it the dissenters that are the most unruly, disrespectful, rude and irreverent individuals....are always products of the left?

Haha, you a funny man. You've never seen coverage of the Westboro church crowd nor the picketers in front of a Planned Parenthood.

[REDREX]

Maybe Dr. Carson meant to say that Panda Express was opening a restaurant somewhere in the Middle East.

They were gonna store their fortune cookies in the Great Pyramid of Damascus.


5-0---One thing for sure---Dr Carson is a H@ll of a lot smarter than you

[champions77]

Haha, you a funny man. You've never seen coverage of the Westboro church crowd nor the picketers in front of a Planned Parenthood.

So Westboro are conservatives? I am a conservative Christian and I do not recognize them as being anything more than a bunch of psycho losers. They sure do not represent anything that Jesus would be a part of.
Seriously, with the Occupy Wall Street crowd, the Ferguson bunch, the leftists goons at Mizzou, the shouting down of conservative speakers that dare come to a Public University, the World Trade organization riots, and you throw Westboro at me? Compare how the Tea Party conducted themselves at rallies with how the left goes about their business...and get back to me.
The left energizes their sycophants by division, the more folks you can divide up and get pissed off, the better they like it. Sadly pathetic.

[Serenity Now]

So Westboro are conservatives? I am a conservative Christian and I do not recognize them as being anything more than a bunch of psycho losers. They sure do not represent anything that Jesus would be a part of.
Seriously, with the Occupy Wall Street crowd, the Ferguson bunch, the leftists goons at Mizzou, the shouting down of conservative speakers that dare come to a Public University, the World Trade organization riots, and you throw Westboro at me? Compare how the Tea Party conducted themselves at rallies with how the left goes about their business...and get back to me.
The left energizes their sycophants by division, the more folks you can divide up and get pissed off, the better they like it. Sadly pathetic.

They tie everything in the world to homosexuality. Given how many insults that those in this forum, who almost exclusively represent the right, have thrown at me implying some homosexual thing I've got going on, I'd say your ignorance is purposeful. You think they're supporting Sanders/Hillary?

[champions77]

They tie everything in the world to homosexuality. Given how many insults that those in this forum, who almost exclusively represent the right, have thrown at me implying some homosexual thing I've got going on, I'd say your ignorance is purposeful. You think they're supporting Sanders/Hillary?

That is wrong. I've made it very clear that I do not approve of some of the language and insults that are routine on this forum. Yes, those on the right are guilty of a lot of it. Poor way to communicate. Sorry.

[BoulderSooner79]

Second hand information, so Carson supporters do not read - just consider it refuted.

A friend of mine that I trust moved out here from the east coast and was in the elite/rich black society there. Acquaintance of Carson (not a close friend), but friends with several of Carson's friends. After a few conversations with Carson, my friend found him to be odd and asked a few folks who know him better about it. They all thought he was a nut job. Nothing to do with politics or religion, just a bizarre guy with a loose screw up there. This was about 12 years ago, before the national fame. This is something I heard 2 days ago, but I found interesting because that was my first reaction from watching a few of his interviews.

Back to the thread question. Other than his being a DC outsider, I don't understand what people see in Carson.

[FaninAma]

Second hand information, so Carson supporters do not read - just consider it refuted.

A friend of mine that I trust moved out here from the east coast and was in the elite/rich black society there. Acquaintance of Carson (not a close friend), but friends with several of Carson's friends. After a few conversations with Carson, my friend found him to be odd and asked a few folks who know him better about it. They all thought he was a nut job. Nothing to do with politics or religion, just a bizarre guy with a loose screw up there. This was about 12 years ago, before the national fame. This is something I heard 2 days ago, but I found interesting because that was my first reaction from watching a few of his interviews.

Back to the thread question. Other than his being a DC outsider, I don't understand what people see in Carson.

By all means, please provide us some examples of Carson's actions that led your friend to label Carson "odd", "a nut job" , and "a bizzare guy with a screw loose up there."

Otherwise you and your freine sound like a couple or sorority girls engaged n silly gossip.

[rock on sooner]

96 posts, after the OP, and the only answer has been that he is "outside of D.C."
Does this speak to the depth of Dr. Carson's campaign or just to the depth of
Dr. Carson?

[TAFBSooner]

So Westboro are conservatives? I am a conservative Christian and I do not recognize them as being anything more than a bunch of psycho losers. They sure do not represent anything that Jesus would be a part of.
Seriously, with the Occupy Wall Street crowd, the Ferguson bunch, the leftists goons at Mizzou, the shouting down of conservative speakers that dare come to a Public University, the World Trade organization riots, and you throw Westboro at me? Compare how the Tea Party conducted themselves at rallies with how the left goes about their business...and get back to me.
The left energizes their sycophants by division, the more folks you can divide up and get pissed off, the better they like it. Sadly pathetic.

I don't blame you for un-claiming the Westboro folks, but how about the barefooters protesting at abortion clinics? They are not so easy for the right to throw to the curb - they are a major constituency of the right.

[Serenity Now]

Second hand information, so Carson supporters do not read - just consider it refuted.

A friend of mine that I trust moved out here from the east coast and was in the elite/rich black society there. Acquaintance of Carson (not a close friend), but friends with several of Carson's friends. After a few conversations with Carson, my friend found him to be odd and asked a few folks who know him better about it. They all thought he was a nut job. Nothing to do with politics or religion, just a bizarre guy with a loose screw up there. This was about 12 years ago, before the national fame. This is something I heard 2 days ago, but I found interesting because that was my first reaction from watching a few of his interviews.

Back to the thread question. Other than his being a DC outsider, I don't understand what people see in Carson.

He may be an outstanding neurosurgeon. Some of the most gifted folks in some areas are a little less gifted in others.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

Second hand information, so Carson supporters do not read - just consider it refuted.

A friend of mine that I trust moved out here from the east coast and was in the elite/rich black society there. Acquaintance of Carson (not a close friend), but friends with several of Carson's friends. After a few conversations with Carson, my friend found him to be odd and asked a few folks who know him better about it. They all thought he was a nut job. Nothing to do with politics or religion, just a bizarre guy with a loose screw up there. This was about 12 years ago, before the national fame. This is something I heard 2 days ago, but I found interesting because that was my first reaction from watching a few of his interviews.

Back to the thread question. Other than his being a DC outsider, I don't understand what people see in Carson.


Although he is an extremely intelligent individual, and one who's stated opinions appear to be formulated based on rational thought rather than emotion, I don't see him as the top republican choice. I don't see a career as a surgeon providing the requisite business experience to qualify for the job. (I guess I need not comment about how qualified I see a community organizer as being).

As far as your friends having odd reactions, I would say that's not so uncommon when talking to someone on his intellectual level, especially if your friends aren't educated like him, and I assume, are likely a bunch of liberals. I don't say that in a mean spirited way (like I purposefully do with reference to the racial instigator in Washington) but such descriptions are not uncommon coming from people who's own thinking is far away from the person they are describing. A day doesn't pass that I don't hear a person with little or no secondary education criticizing someone who is highly educated.

[yermom]

yep, totally stable.

https://cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/ben-carson-and-jesus.jpg

[BoulderSooner79]

By all means, please provide us some examples of Carson's actions that led your friend to label Carson "odd", "a nut job" , and "a bizzare guy with a screw loose up there."

Otherwise you and your freine sound like a couple or sorority girls engaged n silly gossip.

I will not. I provided a clear disclaimer; you chose to read on. It's on you to recover those 30 seconds of your life.

[SoonerorLater]

Although he is an extremely intelligent individual, and one who's stated opinions appear to be formulated based on rational thought rather than emotion, I don't see him as the top republican choice. I don't see a career as a surgeon providing the requisite business experience to qualify for the job. (I guess I need not comment about how qualified I see a community organizer as being).

As far as your friends having odd reactions, I would say that's not so uncommon when talking to someone on his intellectual level, especially if your friends aren't educated like him, and I assume, are likely a bunch of liberals. I don't say that in a mean spirited way (like I purposefully do with reference to the racial instigator in Washington) but such descriptions are not uncommon coming from people who's own thinking is far away from the person they are describing. A day doesn't pass that I don't hear a person with little or no secondary education criticizing someone who is highly educated.

This is part of the problem with our political process and why we as citizens get what we deserve. People in general are beyond sick of entrenched career politicians. Yet when a real outsider comes along he will be dismissed as not having the requisite experience to do the job.

Anybody think Ben Carson is less stable than any other of those narcissistic SOB's on the stage?

[BoulderSooner79]

As far as your friends having odd reactions, I would say that's not so uncommon when talking to someone on his intellectual level, especially if your friends aren't educated like him, and I assume, are likely a bunch of liberals. I don't say that in a mean spirited way (like I purposefully do with reference to the racial instigator in Washington) but such descriptions are not uncommon coming from people who's own thinking is far away from the person they are describing. A day doesn't pass that I don't hear a person with little or no secondary education criticizing someone who is highly educated.

The group consisted of wealthy, black people in a fundraiser setting. They were there specifically because they were black (the cause) and wealthy (were contributing $$). It was in Baltimore and many were doctors and lawyers. My friend is a cardiologist that studied at Johns Hopkins at the same time Carson did. The subject came up because I knew he studied at Johns Hopkins and obviously I knew he was black, so I wanted to know if he was a Carson supporter - I had no idea he had actually met him. I have no idea if the crowd was liberal, but I do know they were well educated. As you can probably gather, he is not a Carson supporter.

[hawaii 5-0]

Anybody think Ben Carson is less stable than any other of those narcissistic SOB's on the stage?


I can't think of any one, political or otherwise, who wrote about taking a hammer to his mother.

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[SoonerorLater]

Well there you go, more honest than the rest of the bunch. I would wager every candidate suffers from antisocial personality disorder to some extent. Most normal functioning people just aren't equipped to run for high political office. The things you have to do to succeed would be too difficult for people with a moral compass.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

This is part of the problem with our political process and why we as citizens get what we deserve. People in general are beyond sick of entrenched career politicians. Yet when a real outsider comes along he will be dismissed as not having the requisite experience to do the job.

Anybody think Ben Carson is less stable than any other of those narcissistic SOB's on the stage?


If you poll the country, I'm quite certain that the most common #1 priority in an election is economics. I was taught decades ago that most frequently people vote for the candidate who they believe will be most beneficial to their economic circumstances.

The United States is a complex economic entity - best run by someone with managerial experience. Being highly intelligent, soft spoken, principled, and all the other wonderful qualities Ben Carson has, doesn't make up for the fact that he lacks managerial experience.

If you think the job can be done effectively without any managerial experience, just look at the disaster we've had the last 7 years. He'd use executive order to give a 6th grader a hall pass

[Since71ASooner4Life]

The group consisted of wealthy, black people in a fundraiser setting. They were there specifically because they were black (the cause) and wealthy (were contributing $$). It was in Baltimore and many were doctors and lawyers. My friend is a cardiologist that studied at Johns Hopkins at the same time Carson did. The subject came up because I knew he studied at Johns Hopkins and obviously I knew he was black, so I wanted to know if he was a Carson supporter - I had no idea he had actually met him. I have no idea if the crowd was liberal, but I do know they were well educated. As you can probably gather, he is not a Carson supporter.


Ok, they were highly educated also. If they were liberals, it's not unimaginable that they would make very biased, statements about someone who they recognized had views far different from theirs. If they were wealthy liberals, it wouldn't shock me that they had a certain elitist attitudes toward conservatives, and being black there might be further disdain toward him as a black conservative. We see that every day on TV. I don't think you can say "nothing about politics" with certainty, given the reasonable possibility that the statements were made by liberals about a conservative.

But just making a statement about my own observations - aside from an occasional odd blinking before he begins speaking (I assume a bit of nervousness when being grilled in debates) does he exhibit any behaviors as your friend commented? I'm more inclined to rely on what my own eyes and ears tell me, then hear say coming from someone who may have an agenda or ax to grind.

[BoulderSooner79]

Ok, they were highly educated also. If they were liberals, it's not unimaginable that they would make very biased, statements about someone who they recognized had views far different from theirs. If they were wealthy liberals, it wouldn't shock me that they had a certain elitist attitudes toward conservatives, and being black there might be further disdain toward him as a black conservative. We see that every day on TV. I don't think you can say "nothing about politics" with certainty, given the reasonable possibility that the statements were made by liberals about a conservative.

But just making a statement about my own observations - aside from an occasional odd blinking before he begins speaking (I assume a bit of nervousness when being grilled in debates) does he exhibit any behaviors as your friend commented? I'm more inclined to rely on what my own eyes and ears tell me, then hear say coming from someone who may have an agenda or ax to grind.

You're reading way more into this than merits. More than I am and I had the conversation. You feel compelled to fabricate motives of a group of people you know nothing about as a sort of defensive reaction. I just thought it was a tidbit people might find interesting - I know I did. But as I posted earlier, my first impression of Carson is that of a simpleton. Now with the questions about his biographic stories, I'm starting to think he is a Walter Mitty. After talking to my friend, I have even more doubts about him. I certainly do not understand the appeal, but obviously it's there. I don't claim to understand people.

[SoonerorLater]

You're reading way more into this than merits. More than I am and I had the conversation. You feel compelled to fabricate motives of a group of people you know nothing about as a sort of defensive reaction. I just thought it was a tidbit people might find interesting - I know I did. But as I posted earlier, my first impression of Carson is that of a simpleton. Now with the questions about his biographic stories, I'm starting to think he is a Walter Mitty. After talking to my friend, I have even more doubts about him. I certainly do not understand the appeal, but obviously it's there. I don't claim to understand people.

A simpleton? He has some credentials that might point otherwise.

[BoulderSooner79]

A simpleton? He has some credentials that might point otherwise.

Just my first impressions watching the debate and some of the interviews. Nothing to do with credentials.

[REDREX]

A simpleton? He has some credentials that might point otherwise.---He doesn't have the depth of a community organizer

[Since71ASooner4Life]

You're reading way more into this than merits. More than I am and I had the conversation. You feel compelled to fabricate motives of a group of people you know nothing about as a sort of defensive reaction. I just thought it was a tidbit people might find interesting - I know I did. But as I posted earlier, my first impression of Carson is that of a simpleton. Now with the questions about his biographic stories, I'm starting to think he is a Walter Mitty. After talking to my friend, I have even more doubts about him. I certainly do not understand the appeal, but obviously it's there. I don't claim to understand people.


I'm not fabricating anything - just pointing out that your eyewitness account is pretty meaningless. Given that the comments were made by a group of blacks (I hope we dont need to debate the likelihood that they were liberals given voting statistics) about a black conservative, it ought to be rather obvious their likely motives.

[BoulderSooner79]

I'm not fabricating anything - just pointing out that your eyewitness account is pretty meaningless. Given that the comments were made by a group of blacks (I hope we dont need to debate the likelihood that they were liberals given voting statistics) about a black conservative, it ought to be rather obvious their likely motives.

Rich people are usually pretty conservative. I don't know if being black cancels that - I didn't know any of these people other than my direct friend. He's a centrist and wishes there were better choices for POTUS. That's in line with most people I know including myself.

[FaninAma]

I will not. I provided a clear disclaimer; you chose to read on. It's on you to recover those 30 seconds of your life.
Alright sugar.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Seriously, with the Occupy Wall Street crowd, the Ferguson bunch, the leftists goons at Mizzou, the shouting down of conservative speakers that dare come to a Public University, the World Trade organization riots, and you throw Westboro at me? Compare how the Tea Party conducted themselves at rallies with how the left goes about their business...and get back to me.
This couldn't be any plainer and comprehensible, but it appears that BoulderSooner either is a mouth breather, or he thinks his strange comparison will divert the readers from the true situation.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Although he is an extremely intelligent individual, and one who's stated opinions appear to be formulated based on rational thought rather than emotion, I don't see him as the top republican choice. I don't see a career as a surgeon providing the requisite business experience to qualify for the job. (I guess I need not comment about how qualified I see a community organizer as being).

As far as your friends having odd reactions, I would say that's not so uncommon when talking to someone on his intellectual level, especially if your friends aren't educated like him, and I assume, are likely a bunch of liberals. I don't say that in a mean spirited way (like I purposefully do with reference to the racial instigator in Washington) but such descriptions are not uncommon coming from people who's own thinking is far away from the person they are describing. A day doesn't pass that I don't hear a person with little or no secondary education criticizing someone who is highly educated.EXCELLENCE IN POSTING!

[Serenity Now]

EXCELLENCE IN POSTING!
You obviously didn't read the entire thread. I've got a BBA, a MBA and a MHA and you guys think I'm an idiot so I think carson's education wouldn't mean squat to the pubs.

[REDREX]

You obviously didn't read the entire thread. I've got a BBA, a MBA and a MHA and you guys think I'm an idiot so I think carson's education wouldn't mean squat to the pubs.---I have never seen someone use themselves as a Strawman

[Serenity Now]

---I have never seen someone use themselves as a Strawman
Inverse straw man. :)

[Since71ASooner4Life]

You obviously didn't read the entire thread. I've got a BBA, a MBA and a MHA and you guys think I'm an idiot so I think carson's education wouldn't mean squat to the pubs.

The results of Carson's education are rather obvious. I know you as a message board liberal with a few balanced opinions sprinkled in with the typical unconditional defense of anything the far left says. If someone criticized you because of your education its rather obvious their motives. But I don't hold high opinion of far left thinking, which typically lacks a factual based and well constructed reasoning.

[hawaii 5-0]

I don't criticize Carson because of his education. I wish I had his education.

I criticize him because he's a lightweight as a politician and potential global leader.

Oh, and there's still that taking a hammer to his Mother thing.

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[BoulderSooner79]

SNL had a skit on Carson last night that pretty much summarized how I arrived at my impression of Carson. Over the top of course, but everything in the skit mirrored real events.

[SoonerorLater]

I criticize him because he's a lightweight as a politician

Why do you think being a lightweight as a politician is a bad thing? Being a consummate politician is chiefly being adept in the Art of Lying and getting elected. It has little to do with critical thinking. If anything, telling people what they want to hear and manifesting a superficial charm are more closely related to the traits of a psychopath.

[yermom]

You still have to play politics once you are in, only on a global scale

I'd rather see a lifer as president.

All Obama did was try to bully his way when he had a majority and mostly kept the status quo or caved on content for things like Obamacare he just wanted for his legacy

Unless pissing off his haters is a gauge of effectiveness he was pretty ineffectual

[hawaii 5-0]

Why do you think being a lightweight as a politician is a bad thing?

Uhhhh.....to put it simply, yes.

Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle come to mind immediately as lightweight politicians. Would you trust either of them to run the country ? I wouldn't for a minute.

Take Kevin McCarthy the House Majority Leader, almost the next speaker. What had he done so far in Congress ?
1.) Got a post office in his district named after Buck Owens.
2.) Got a space center in his district named after Neil Armstrong.

That's it. I really don't know about his affair with that Representative from North Carolina and don't really care.

Gimme a candidate with leadership skills any day. Not someone self-accused accused of taking a hammer to his mother and doubles down on Chinese in Syria and Pyramids built as granaries.

Why do you think a lightweight is qualified to be a World Leader in these uncertain times ? Who ya got in mind ?

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[champions77]

Uhhhh.....to put it simply, yes.

Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle come to mind immediately as lightweight politicians. Would you trust either of them to run the country ? I wouldn't for a minute.

Take Kevin McCarthy the House Majority Leader, almost the next speaker. What had he done so far in Congress ?
1.) Got a post office in his district named after Buck Owens.
2.) Got a space center in his district named after Neil Armstrong.

That's it. I really don't know about his affair with that Representative from North Carolina and don't really care.

Gimme a candidate with leadership skills any day. Not someone self-accused accused of taking a hammer to his mother and doubles down on Chinese in Syria and Pyramids built as granaries.

Why do you think a lightweight is qualified to be a World Leader in these uncertain times ? Who ya got in mind ?

5-0

So Give you a candidate with leadership skills? Really. You vote for that empty suit BHO twice, and you have the gall to proclaim that you want someone with leadership skills? When has your hero ever shown the slight inclination to be a leader? Do you think any of our allies feel today that he is a "strong" leader?

I'm sorry but lying, obstructing any inquiries, calling out by name those that disagree with you, kissing up to our enemies in the mistaken belief that it will somehow buy favor with them instead of negotiating from a position of strength, not working with Congress, instead choosing to exceed the authority granted to the executive office on numerous occasions, because it is easier, Not ever referring to radical Islam as radical Islam, because you are afraid that it will somehow offend them and make them even more motivated to kill us?
Yeah, tell us some more about your demands to have candidates with "leadership" skills.

[SoonerorLater]

Uhhhh.....to put it simply, yes.

Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle come to mind immediately as lightweight politicians. Would you trust either of them to run the country ? I wouldn't for a minute.

Take Kevin McCarthy the House Majority Leader, almost the next speaker. What had he done so far in Congress ?
1.) Got a post office in his district named after Buck Owens.
2.) Got a space center in his district named after Neil Armstrong.

That's it. I really don't know about his affair with that Representative from North Carolina and don't really care.

Gimme a candidate with leadership skills any day. Not someone self-accused accused of taking a hammer to his mother and doubles down on Chinese in Syria and Pyramids built as granaries.

Why do you think a lightweight is qualified to be a World Leader in these uncertain times ? Who ya got in mind ?

5-0

Whoa! Don't confuse leadership skills, inter-personal skills and critical thinking with being a politician. Just because you can convince people to elect you doesn't necessarily mean you have any of those qualities. I could provide examples if you need.

[hawaii 5-0]

So far, all this argument isn't helping me understand what the glamour is in Dr. Carson.

A coupla guys I coulda supported were Colin Powell and Tom Coburn. Alas.

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[champions77]

So far, all this argument isn't helping me understand what the glamour is in Dr. Carson.

A coupla guys I coulda supported were Colin Powell and Tom Coburn. Alas.

5-0

Only after you tell me why that BHO was qualified for the highest office? Looking back on it, he wasn't was he?
Dr. Carson has two things that BHO does not. A real relationship with Jesus Christ and an understanding of the importance of the US Constitution and the President's obligation to defend it.

Dr. Carson is not my first choice, but if you spend as much time worrying about the Dems running an avowed socialist as you do Dr. Carson, we would all be better off for it.

[SicEmBaylor]

Only after you tell me why that BHO was qualified for the highest office? Looking back on it, he wasn't was he?
Dr. Carson has two things that BHO does not. A real relationship with Jesus Christ and an understanding of the importance of the US Constitution and the President's obligation to defend it.

Dr. Carson is not my first choice, but if you spend as much time worrying about the Dems running an avowed socialist as you do Dr. Carson, we would all be better off for it.

What exactly does that mean "qualified?" Did he meet the Constitutional requirements to run for office? Yes, I believe so -- those are the only qualifications to be President that I'm aware of. Everything else is a highly subjective judgement call as to whether someone is capable of successfully executing the office or not.

1)Carson's "relationship" with Jesus Christ is utterly irrelevant insofar as a qualification to be President goes. I prefer my Presidents acknowledge a higher power, of some sort, but that's hardly a qualification or requirement.

2)No. Carson does not understand the importance of the United States Constitution or his obligation to defend it. Let's review why:

A. His proposal to implement price controls on healthcare represents a very real and fundamental misunderstanding of basic capitalist economics not to mention the fact that it's highly unconstitutional. Price controls are even more constitutionally and economically egregious than the current ACA. Along these same lines is his proposal to outlaw insurance companies from providing catastrophic health insurance instead shifting that responsibility to the Federal government. He may have walked that proposal back since announcing (not sure), but the fact that he once championed it in the first place is highly disturbing.

B. His fundamental lack of capitalist economics extends further. He blamed the recession of 2008 on de-regulation of the market in the 90s. Deregulation had nothing to do with it not to mention the fact that the inverse argument is that government needs *more* regulation of the market in order to prevent such economic catastrophes (unconstitutional). The man may know how to perform surgery, but in the area of economics, he's a simpleton.

C. He proposed curtailing the 1st Amendment to outlaw or ban speech that could be considered "hurtful" which, I suppose the blithering idiot doesn't understand, is why we have the f'n first Amendment in the first place (horribly unconstitutional).

D. He has made very questionable statements on gun control saying that those living in cities shouldn't be "allowed" to own a semi-automatic firearm (unconstitutional).

E. He backs raising the Federal minimum wage (unconstitutional) but admitted that it would do nothing to improve income inequality.

F. Supports upholding the Voting Rights Act which is another hallmark piece of unconstitutional legislation that was bad when first put into law and now has absolutely no remaining relevance.

G. He supports having government funded daycare (unconstitutional.)

H. He wants to repatriate profits of American companies overseas but for some inexplicable, unconstitutional, and anti-capitalist reason he will require them to invest 15% in some sort of "economic zone."

I. He's also been wishy-washing on Tort Reform changing his opinion on that no fewer than three times.

3)His views on the Pyramids may seem small, insignificant, and even petty to bring up; however, it is very indicative of his thought process and knowledge of history. Someone that ignorant on such a subject simply has no business being President. It's almost dangerous.

So, please, can we cut this bull**** about Carson being some sort of conservative who deserves to be President. He's a theological zealot with highly inconsistent and incredibly questionable political views who has never held a single public office and whose fame is contributed entirely to a YouTube video of him giving a speech at a prayer breakfast several years ago.

His fifteen minutes of fame should have ended fifteen months ago. He's well past the point that he should have been put out to pasture.

[hawaii 5-0]

Only after you tell me why that BHO was qualified for the highest office? Looking back on it, he wasn't was he?
Dr. Carson has two things that BHO does not. A real relationship with Jesus Christ and an understanding of the importance of the US Constitution and the President's obligation to defend it.




Obama was a Chicago Law School professor, teaching Constitutional Law. Trump that. (Pun sorta intended). Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude 1991.
US Senator 2004.

Saying someone believes something or does something because Jesus told him to is a very slippery slope. Talking to Jesus doesn't qualify or disqualify one for a political office. Maybe Carson should be one of those TV Evangelists like Jimmy Swaggert. A lot of real nutjobs have done some wicked things in the name of Jesus.

Please now share with us your knowledge of Dr. Carson's understanding of the Constitution and the separation of powers. Feel free to include the year he got his law degree.

...and lastly you can present to us your candidate with leadership skills and why you think they're qualified.

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[SoonerorLater]

What exactly does that mean "qualified?" Did he meet the Constitutional requirements to run for office? Yes, I believe so -- those are the only qualifications to be President that I'm aware of. Everything else is a highly subjective judgement call as to whether someone is capable of successfully executing the office or not.

1)Carson's "relationship" with Jesus Christ is utterly irrelevant insofar as a qualification to be President goes. I prefer my Presidents acknowledge a higher power, of some sort, but that's hardly a qualification or requirement.

2)No. Carson does not understand the importance of the United States Constitution or his obligation to defend it. Let's review why:

A. His proposal to implement price controls on healthcare represents a very real and fundamental misunderstanding of basic capitalist economics not to mention the fact that it's highly unconstitutional. Price controls are even more constitutionally and economically egregious than the current ACA. Along these same lines is his proposal to outlaw insurance companies from providing catastrophic health insurance instead shifting that responsibility to the Federal government. He may have walked that proposal back since announcing (not sure), but the fact that he once championed it in the first place is highly disturbing.

B. His fundamental lack of capitalist economics extends further. He blamed the recession of 2008 on de-regulation of the market in the 90s. Deregulation had nothing to do with it not to mention the fact that the inverse argument is that government needs *more* regulation of the market in order to prevent such economic catastrophes (unconstitutional). The man may know how to perform surgery, but in the area of economics, he's a simpleton.

C. He proposed curtailing the 1st Amendment to outlaw or ban speech that could be considered "hurtful" which, I suppose the blithering idiot doesn't understand, is why we have the f'n first Amendment in the first place (horribly unconstitutional).

D. He has made very questionable statements on gun control saying that those living in cities shouldn't be "allowed" to own a semi-automatic firearm (unconstitutional).

E. He backs raising the Federal minimum wage (unconstitutional) but admitted that it would do nothing to improve income inequality.

F. Supports upholding the Voting Rights Act which is another hallmark piece of unconstitutional legislation that was bad when first put into law and now has absolutely no remaining relevance.

G. He supports having government funded daycare (unconstitutional.)

H. He wants to repatriate profits of American companies overseas but for some inexplicable, unconstitutional, and anti-capitalist reason he will require them to invest 15% in some sort of "economic zone."

I. He's also been wishy-washing on Tort Reform changing his opinion on that no fewer than three times.

3)His views on the Pyramids may seem small, insignificant, and even petty to bring up; however, it is very indicative of his thought process and knowledge of history. Someone that ignorant on such a subject simply has no business being President. It's almost dangerous.

So, please, can we cut this bull**** about Carson being some sort of conservative who deserves to be President. He's a theological zealot with highly inconsistent and incredibly questionable political views who has never held a single public office and whose fame is contributed entirely to a YouTube video of him giving a speech at a prayer breakfast several years ago.

His fifteen minutes of fame should have ended fifteen months ago. He's well past the point that he should have been put out to pasture.

Nov 2016. Ben Carson vs Hillary Clinton, Who would you vote for? If those were absolutely your only two choices.

[hawaii 5-0]

I'll answer that.........in Nov 2016.

I might just vote for Trump after he goes 3rd Party.

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[SicEmBaylor]

Nov 2016. Ben Carson vs Hillary Clinton, Who would you vote for? If those were absolutely your only two choices.

I assume that means I can't vote third party which I have done and would certainly do again given that scenario. Short of that, I would abstain and not vote at all.

[champions77]

What exactly does that mean "qualified?" Did he meet the Constitutional requirements to run for office? Yes, I believe so -- those are the only qualifications to be President that I'm aware of. Everything else is a highly subjective judgement call as to whether someone is capable of successfully executing the office or not.

1)Carson's "relationship" with Jesus Christ is utterly irrelevant insofar as a qualification to be President goes. I prefer my Presidents acknowledge a higher power, of some sort, but that's hardly a qualification or requirement.

2)No. Carson does not understand the importance of the United States Constitution or his obligation to defend it. Let's review why:

A. His proposal to implement price controls on healthcare represents a very real and fundamental misunderstanding of basic capitalist economics not to mention the fact that it's highly unconstitutional. Price controls are even more constitutionally and economically egregious than the current ACA. Along these same lines is his proposal to outlaw insurance companies from providing catastrophic health insurance instead shifting that responsibility to the Federal government. He may have walked that proposal back since announcing (not sure), but the fact that he once championed it in the first place is highly disturbing.

B. His fundamental lack of capitalist economics extends further. He blamed the recession of 2008 on de-regulation of the market in the 90s. Deregulation had nothing to do with it not to mention the fact that the inverse argument is that government needs *more* regulation of the market in order to prevent such economic catastrophes (unconstitutional). The man may know how to perform surgery, but in the area of economics, he's a simpleton.

C. He proposed curtailing the 1st Amendment to outlaw or ban speech that could be considered "hurtful" which, I suppose the blithering idiot doesn't understand, is why we have the f'n first Amendment in the first place (horribly unconstitutional).

D. He has made very questionable statements on gun control saying that those living in cities shouldn't be "allowed" to own a semi-automatic firearm (unconstitutional).

E. He backs raising the Federal minimum wage (unconstitutional) but admitted that it would do nothing to improve income inequality.

F. Supports upholding the Voting Rights Act which is another hallmark piece of unconstitutional legislation that was bad when first put into law and now has absolutely no remaining relevance.

G. He supports having government funded daycare (unconstitutional.)

H. He wants to repatriate profits of American companies overseas but for some inexplicable, unconstitutional, and anti-capitalist reason he will require them to invest 15% in some sort of "economic zone."

I. He's also been wishy-washing on Tort Reform changing his opinion on that no fewer than three times.

3)His views on the Pyramids may seem small, insignificant, and even petty to bring up; however, it is very indicative of his thought process and knowledge of history. Someone that ignorant on such a subject simply has no business being President. It's almost dangerous.

So, please, can we cut this bull**** about Carson being some sort of conservative who deserves to be President. He's a theological zealot with highly inconsistent and incredibly questionable political views who has never held a single public office and whose fame is contributed entirely to a YouTube video of him giving a speech at a prayer breakfast several years ago.

His fifteen minutes of fame should have ended fifteen months ago. He's well past the point that he should have been put out to pasture.

You make some great points SicEm. He would not be a good President in all likelihood. Just felt compelled to defend him after being attacked by the lefties on here who support the lying, despicable Hillary or the old fool Bernie without reservation. I would take him over those two still.

[rock on sooner]

I'll answer that.........in Nov 2016.

I might just vote for Trump after he goes 3rd Party.

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No-o-o-o-o, while I nearly always say vote, please vote...um-m-m to vote
for a Carny Barker to run our country means, at least to me, that you have
abdicated common sense. 136 posts and the only answer to my OP is that
Carson is "outside D.C." Oh my.......next someone will say Carly is it......

[hawaii 5-0]

No-o-o-o-o, while I nearly always say vote, please vote...um-m-m to vote
for a Carny Barker to run our country means, at least to me, that you have
abdicated common sense. 136 posts and the only answer to my OP is that
Carson is "outside D.C." Oh my.......next someone will say Carly is it......

Well, I can then be honest and say I didn't vote for HRC or Carson.

Like you, I'd still like to see a legitimate reason, given his erratic views, that makes his qualified to be President.

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[Serenity Now]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/politics/ben-carson-is-struggling-to-grasp-foreign-policy-advisers-say.html?_r=0

[FaninAma]

So far, all this argument isn't helping me understand what the glamour is in Dr. Carson.

A coupla guys I coulda supported were Colin Powell and Tom Coburn. Alas.

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Colin Powell I believe. You never would have supported Tom Coburn who was pro-life, pro massive reduction of entitlements and government spending and anti-gay marriage.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/senator-tom-coburn-60-minutes-2/

[Serenity Now]

Colin Powell I believe. You never would have supported Tom Coburn who was pro-life, pro massive reduction of entitlements and government spending and anti-gay marriage.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/senator-tom-coburn-60-minutes-2/
I respect dr coburn. I don't necessarily agree with him but think we'll of him. He was friendly with Obama.