Trey Gowdy's Benghazi Witch Hunt.....Waz up Wid Dat?

[hawaii 5-0]

Seems there are credibility as well as possible legal problems lately.

Thoughts ?


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[SicEmBaylor]

Benghazi has run its course. It isn't 1/100th the scandal the e-mail server and IRS issues are.

[champions77]

Benghazi has run its course. It isn't 1/100th the scandal the e-mail server and IRS issues are.

You bet it is when people are murdered, and then covered up. You tell the loved ones of the four their deaths are not as important as some emails.

[SicEmBaylor]

You bet it is when people are murdered, and then covered up. You tell the loved ones of the four their deaths are not as important as some emails.

The scandal around their deaths is not as important as the e-mails which contained classified information essential to the national security of the United States and our ability to conduct diplomacy.

I'm not aware of any murder that was covered up. There was a lot of CYA going on but that's substantially different than covering up a murder. What they attempted to cover up, early in the process, was the catalyst or reason for the attack on the consulate.

Benghazi was a major cluster****, but that's hardly unique when it comes to American foreign policy. Clinton exercised incredibly bad judgement both before and after the attack that should prevent her from ever holding another elected or appointed office, but the facts here are *generally* known. The committee is after every remaining crumb under the table, and I don't have a huge problem with that but it isn't as big a deal as the e-mail servers or IRS.

You have to keep in mind that they were FSOs with a dangerous duty assignment. They knew the risks and they died in the commission of their duties. It's tragic and it shouldn't have happened, but it's one of those risks you take.

[REDREX]

Hillary is an idiot with or without it

[champions77]

The scandal around their deaths is not as important as the e-mails which contained classified information essential to the national security of the United States and our ability to conduct diplomacy.

I'm not aware of any murder that was covered up. There was a lot of CYA going on but that's substantially different than covering up a murder. What they attempted to cover up, early in the process, was the catalyst or reason for the attack on the consulate.

Benghazi was a major cluster****, but that's hardly unique when it comes to American foreign policy. Clinton exercised incredibly bad judgement both before and after the attack that should prevent her from ever holding another elected or appointed office, but the facts here are *generally* known. The committee is after every remaining crumb under the table, and I don't have a huge problem with that but it isn't as big a deal as the e-mail servers or IRS.

You have to keep in mind that they were FSOs with a dangerous duty assignment. They knew the risks and they died in the commission of their duties. It's tragic and it shouldn't have happened, but it's one of those risks you take.

Not covered up? The root cause of the deaths certainly was. To avoid the appearance that Obama's foreign policy was not going as well as Obama was claiming, they manufactured a new cause if the attacks, a video that incited the attacks. Not to mention the coordination of these lies, but The lies of her role before and after the attacks.

If she wasn't running for Prez, more focus would be on Benghazi. No telling to the levels of government this actually reaches.

[FaninAma]

Well here's a tinfoil conspiracy theory. The CIA was running arms out of Libya to the CIA trained rebels in Syria. The information about the details and plans were hacked from Hiliary's server. That's how those who attacked Benghazi knew the ambassador would be there overseeing the operation. It could have even been the Russians who hacked the server and turned the information to their surrogates in the ME. Why would Hilliary selectively delete e-mails from her server. She is stupid but not stupid enough to not understand that action wouldcause an uproar. So in her estimation deleting the e-mails was worth the potential political fallout. Did she really think the GOP would try to use personal e-mails? That would just make her look like a victim of a GOP over reach and persecution.

The bottom line is there was some pretty damaging information on the deleted e-mails otherwise she wouldn't have risked the fall out that she is now suffering.

[olevetonahill]

It is a Witch hunt!
They Hunting that ****in Witch Billiary and hoping to burn her at the stake!:apple:

[hawaii 5-0]

It is a Witch hunt!
They Hunting that ****in Witch Billiary and hoping to burn her at the stake!:apple:


Both you and Kevin McCarthy should be saluted for your honesty.

I'd like the Justice Department to appoint a Special prosecutor to subpoena Gowdy's emails to see how much of the investigation is purely political, and when it became so, if not at the onset.

Using public funds for political purposes isn't just unethical, it's illegal.

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[olevetonahill]

Both you and Kevin McCarthy should be saluted for your honesty.

I'd like the Justice Department to appoint a Special prosecutor to subpoena Gowdy's emails to see how much of the investigation is purely political, and when it became so, if not at the onset.

Using public funds for political purposes isn't just unethical, it's illegal.

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By God yer Right Put em up against a wall and shoot em!
Plus any Libs. or Dems that ever done anything similar!

[FaninAma]

Both you and Kevin McCarthy should be saluted for your honesty.

I'd like the Justice Department to appoint a Special prosecutor to subpoena Gowdy's emails to see how much of the investigation is purely political, and when it became so, if not at the onset.

Using public funds for political purposes isn't just unethical, it's illegal.

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So anybody who works for the government and has the highest security clearance the government authorizes should be able to keep their own server in their home?

BTW, would you really vote for Hilliary if she is the Dem. nominee?

[hawaii 5-0]

So anybody who works for the government and has the highest security clearance the government authorizes should be able to keep their own server in their home?

BTW, would you really vote for Hilliary if she is the Dem. nominee?


I'm not sure of the ethics/legalities of keeping the private server. Apparently it was wrong and HRC acknowledged that and apologized. Whether she is indicted/ slapped on the wrist/ exonerated is above my pay grade. Hopefully the truth will eventually be leaked out by Gowdy like his other confidential leaks.

As I've said many times I'm a swing voter, you know the ones the Republicans need to convince for them to win on the National level. I tend to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils, regardless of Party. Honestly right now I like Kasich from Ohio. He seems to be willing to work with both sides to get this Country moving forward. He's crowed about balancing the budget. Whether he gets the nomination remains to be seen.

.....and no, I'm not signing your stupid pledge. Get real.

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[Serenity Now]

Well here's a tinfoil conspiracy theory. The CIA was running arms out of Libya to the CIA trained rebels in Syria. The information about the details and plans were hacked from Hiliary's server. That's how those who attacked Benghazi knew the ambassador would be there overseeing the operation. It could have even been the Russians who hacked the server and turned the information to their surrogates in the ME. Why would Hilliary selectively delete e-mails from her server. She is stupid but not stupid enough to not understand that action wouldcause an uproar. So in her estimation deleting the e-mails was worth the potential political fallout. Did she really think the GOP would try to use personal e-mails? That would just make her look like a victim of a GOP over reach and persecution.

The bottom line is there was some pretty damaging information on the deleted e-mails otherwise she wouldn't have risked the fall out that she is now suffering.

You are cookoo for coco puffs on that one.

[Serenity Now]

It's all a witch hunt. Generally, government employees don't share an email domain with a former President. So, we're never talking an apples/apples comparison.

Too bad McCarthy let the truth out.

[Serenity Now]

I'm not sure of the ethics/legalities of keeping the private server. Apparently it was wrong and HRC acknowledged that and apologized. Whether she is indicted/ slapped on the wrist/ exonerated is above my pay grade. Hopefully the truth will eventually be leaked out by Gowdy like his other confidential leaks.

As I've said many times I'm a swing voter, you know the ones the Republicans need to convince for them to win on the National level. I tend to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils, regardless of Party. Honestly right now I like Kasich from Ohio. He seems to be willing to work with both sides to get this Country moving forward. He's crowed about balancing the budget. Whether he gets the nomination remains to be seen.

.....and no, I'm not signing your stupid pledge. Get real.

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I'm with you. I voted Dem twice since 1988. Yet I'm some "libtard" socialist.

[hawaii 5-0]

I'm with you. I voted Dem twice since 1988. Yet I'm some "libtard" socialist.


In the NeoCon Bizarro World there are no Moderates.

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[TheHumanAlphabet]

I'm not sure of the ethics/legalities of keeping the private server. Apparently it was wrong and HRC acknowledged that and apologized. Whether she is indicted/ slapped on the wrist/ exonerated is above my pay grade. Hopefully the truth will eventually be leaked out by Gowdy like his other confidential leaks.

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As Al would say..."Give me a physical break..." You believe that apology bull****? She and the rest of the politicians lie their *** off if they are breathing...She has acknowledged nothing, to her, its what difference does it make...Leave her alone, let her get anointed and she will rule over all...

[hawaii 5-0]

As Al would say..."Give me a physical break..." You believe that apology bull****? She and the rest of the politicians lie their *** off if they are breathing...She has acknowledged nothing, to her, its what difference does it make...Leave her alone, let her get anointed and she will rule over all...

I fully expect her to apologize yet again at the Debate tonight. Like Carly Fiorina sez......say anything enough and some people will actually believe it. Still waiting for the unedited tape she claims is she saw.

The HRC appearance before the Congressional Committee should make for excellent politifun.

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[SicEmBaylor]

I'm fairly convinced Huma and Hillary have a lesbian relationship. NTTAWWT but it is what it is.

[champions77]

I'm with you. I voted Dem twice since 1988. Yet I'm some "libtard" socialist.

As well you should be. You earned that "label" with your unyielding, dedicated Devotion to leftist dogma. Who you voted for 10-20 years ago really doesn't matter today. You've just "evolved" Does that label bother you?

[Serenity Now]

As well you should be. You earned that "label" with your unyielding, dedicated Devotion to leftist dogma. Who you voted for 10-20 years ago really doesn't matter today. You've just "evolved" Does that label bother you?

As long as ideological racist neocon rightwing nutjob doesn't mind. :|

[champions77]

As long as ideological racist neocon rightwing nutjob doesn't mind. :|

You know it is truly a sad day when an individual that subscribes to the US Constitution, feels that people should experience the freedom of personal responsibility and self reliance, virtues the Democratic Party has done their very best to destroy, that one should blame individuals first, not the weapons, when a tragedy occurs, that believes that the power in this country should rest with the individuals and that authority should be the strongest in the communities where one resides, not by a powerful, unaccountable overbearing centralized government a thousand miles away, that contrary to the Democratic talking points, that poor education in the black communities is acceptable, and desired, versus the Teacher's Unions losing some of their power, after all their Unions dues play a large role in Democratic candidates being re-elected, so that the status quo can be continued, all the while that Master's plantation continues unabated, with no hope, no future, that a disingenuous Democratic Party says the system is rigged against someone rising up through the social-economic ladder, when the very dependency they create and the pathetic schools they control is responsible for that lack of opportunity they deplore. Where 19 Trillion in debt in not addressed in their debate last night, as if that is not important. To them, that would conflict with their goals to promise more free stuff, buy more votes.
Yes, I guess I'm one of those nutjobs you describe.

[Serenity Now]

You know it is truly a sad say when an individual that subscribes to the US Constitution, I’m a fan of the Constitution.
feels that people should experience the freedom of personal responsibility and self reliance, virtues the Democratic Party has done the very best to destroy, that one should blame individuals first, not the weapons, when a tragedy occurs, I blame the individuals, those authorizing unsafe access and those fighting the ability to try to manage access in the future.
that believes that the power in this country should rest with the individuals and that authority should be the strongest in the communities where one resides, not by a powerful, unaccountable overbearing centralized government a thousand miles away, that contrary to the Democratic talking points, that poor education in the black communities is acceptable, and desired, versus the Teacher's Unions losing some of their power, after all their Unions dues play a large role in Democratic candidates being re-elected, so that the status quo can be continued, all the while that Master's plantation continues unabated, with no hope, no future, that a disingenuous Democratic Party says the system is rigged against someone rising up through the social-economic ladder, when the very dependency they create and the pathetic schools they control is responsible for that lack of opportunity they deplore. I don’t know the answer but FURTHER weakening the public school system isn’t it.
Where 19 Trillion in debt in not addressed, as if that is not important.....Anyone voting GOP since 2001 and referencing debt is being hypocritical.
Yes, I guess I'm one of those nutjobs you describe. I was just playing with the line. I think you’re somewhat of an ideologue but there are many of those around. Polarized media has created that. There's a rich Australian that can be credited with that.

[hawaii 5-0]

I'm fairly convinced Huma and Hillary have a lesbian relationship. NTTAWWT but it is what it is.

I remember a rumour about 15 years ago about HRC being gay with her personal secretary. I still wonder, not that it matters. Is America ready for its first female gay President ?

We'll see.....

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[Serenity Now]

I remember a rumour about 15 years ago about HRC being gay with her personal secretary. I still wonder, not that it matters. Is America ready for its first female gay President ?

We'll see.....

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I thought Obama was gay also. Anyone see a pattern?

[hawaii 5-0]

I always wondered why Dan Quayle never came out of the closet.

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[FaninAma]

I'm not sure of the ethics/legalities of keeping the private server. Apparently it was wrong and HRC acknowledged that and apologized. Whether she is indicted/ slapped on the wrist/ exonerated is above my pay grade. Hopefully the truth will eventually be leaked out by Gowdy like his other confidential leaks.

As I've said many times I'm a swing voter, you know the ones the Republicans need to convince for them to win on the National level. I tend to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils, regardless of Party. Honestly right now I like Kasich from Ohio. He seems to be willing to work with both sides to get this Country moving forward. He's crowed about balancing the budget. Whether he gets the nomination remains to be seen.

.....and no, I'm not signing your stupid pledge. Get real.

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None of your post shocks me......principles that change daily and no regard for the long term consequences of the actions of the politicians you support.

Now here's the part where you get all upset and huffy. If you would even consider voting for a corrupt career politician like Hilliary I have no respect for you as a person. None.

[champions77]

If any of you on this forum actually work for a living, and then go vote for a Democrat, then with all due respect, you are not voting in your best interest, you've voting for some lazy, irresponsible loser's best interest, and the best interest of the Democratic politicians that represent that constituency, right?

You do realize that the Democratic Party's insatiable desire to create a welfare state, with the government handouts financed by WORKING Americans, creates the dependent class we have today, and perpetuates Democratic politicians re-elections?

Moreover, you do realize that as more and more of our countrymen yield to the temptation of taking government benefits, that extrapolated out into the future, this cannot sustain itself, and that our system will collapse under the weight of debt? You do realize that this is inevitable, right?

So then does it bother you that we have the lowest labor participation rate since 1978, and the last few years have produced the highest number of Americans ever that receive food stamps, over 46 MILLION, and not one Democratic politician last night mentioned that as a problem or a concern? Does that not validate my previous statements above that this welfare state being created is by design?

So does it bother you that this President, while in office, will have accumulated almost TEN TRILLION in additional debt, more debt than all Presidents before him combined, and will require almost 500 BILLION dollars to service this debt this year alone, but that is not addressed by anyone last night?

That the "income inequality" the Democratic Party speaks of so often, is influenced greatly by the numbers of Americans that are dependent upon government. That their dependency has a profound effect on their ability to move up the socio-economic ladder. That movement has a lot to do with why American capitalism has produced the greatest amount of wealth of any system, anytime.

WTHU

[hawaii 5-0]

None of your post shocks me......principles that change daily and no regard for the long term consequences of the actions of the politicians you support.

Now here's the part where you get all upset and huffy. If you would even consider voting for a corrupt career politician like Hilliary I have no respect for you as a person. None.


Whatevah dude. No skin off me whatsoevah. Honest career politicians can be counted on one hand.

I guess you missed my mention of Kasich. Is he one of your career corrupt politicos as well ?

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[hawaii 5-0]

FYI, I'm making a Cheese Run in a coupla hours for 10 days so my postings will be few, mostly Vbetting if Flak and Badger put up some Vbets. I'm not taking a laptop and I hate to text via smartphone. If I respond at all the replies will be shorter than my usual short one-liners.

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[SicEmBaylor]

Gowdy is a Baylor grad. That makes him awesome.

[Serenity Now]

FYI, I'm making a Cheese Run in a coupla hours for 10 days so my postings will be few, mostly Vbetting if Flak and Badger put up some Vbets. I'm not taking a laptop and I hate to text via smartphone. If I respond at all the replies will be shorter than my usual short one-liners.

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What am I gonna do without you????????

[hawaii 5-0]

What am I gonna do without you????????

Do without.

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[SicEmBaylor]

Do without.

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What am I gonna do without you????????

I. I. I think...I think I love you two. :::beta male bro hug:::

[Serenity Now]

I. I. I think...I think I love you two. :::beta male bro hug:::

Lol. There's some irony there after the arsehats thrower down the "beta" male references on you a while back.

[FaninAma]

Whatevah dude. No skin off me whatsoevah. Honest career politicians can be counted on one hand.

I guess you missed my mention of Kasich. Is he one of your career corrupt politicos as well ?

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Yes, he is a pandering, big-government politician. He loves spending as much as any Democrat. If you don't have kids and don't care about the debt we are racking up you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you do have kids and don't care about the debt we are racking up you are either very selfish or a moron and shouldn't be voting. The debt is the biggest exestintial threat to this country and to future generations. Leaving them this huge problem to deal with because we have become a short-sighted, economically-retarded, selfish society is criminal.

Both parties are guilty but at least the Republicans have a significant part of their base who are waking up and refuse to vote for establishment big government squishes like Jeb and Kasich. The Democrats just want to dig the hole as deep as they can in exchange for votes. They don't care if they have to flood the nation with legal and illegal immigrants or get half of the country dependent on entitlements to do it. And they are cowards...if they had passsed the tax increases to pay for all the entitlement-for-votes they support I would have respected them more but instead they racked up the biggest deficits in our history while they controlled the executive and legislative branches from 2008 to 2010. Entitlements are a progressive legacy and they will eventually bury the country.

[Serenity Now]

yes, he is a pnadering, big-government politician. He loves spending as much as any Democrat. If you don't have kids and don't care about the debt we are racking up you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you do have kids and don't care about the debt we are racking up you are either very selfish or a moron and shouldn't be voting. The debt is the biggest exestintial threat to this cpountry and to future generations. Leaving them this huge problem because we have become a short-sighted, economically-retarded, selfish society is ****ing criminal.

Both parties are guilty but at least the Republicans have a significant part of their base who are waking up and refuse to vote for establishment big government squishes like Jeb and Kasich. The Democrats just want to dig the hole as deep as they can in exchange for votes. They don't care if they have to flood the nation with legal and illegal immigrants or get half of the country dependent on entitlements to do it. And they are ****ing cowards...if they had passsed the tax increases to pay for all the **** they wanted to I would have respected them more but instead they racked up the biggest deficits in our hiswtory while they controlled the executive and legislative branches.

You GOP'ers talking about debt is akin to the guy at the McDonald's ordering the Big Mac, supersizing it and asking for a Diet Coke. I'd respect it much more if you were willing to cut some programs AND increase some taxes.

[FaninAma]

You GOP'ers talking about debt is akin to the guy at the McDonald's ordering the Big Mac, supersizing it and asking for a Diet Coke. I'd respect it much more if you were willing to cut some programs AND increase some taxes.

Let's see if the Democrats are willing to seriously talk about cutting any programs...not just slightly reducing the rate of growth. If they are serious I am fine with raising extra taxes.

BTW, if you have kids and we don't get spending under control I hope they ask you why your/my generation was so selfish and irresponsible with spending.

[Serenity Now]

Let's see if the Democrats are willing to seriously talk about cutting any programs...not just slightly reducing the rate of growth. If they are serious I am fine with raising extra taxes.

BTW, if you have kids and we don't get spending under control I hope they ask you why your/my generation was so selfish and irresponsible with spending.

You ask a good question. We are a hateful and selfish group of humans.

[olevetonahill]

You ask a good question. We are a hateful and selfish group of humans.

I'm not HATEFUL, You take that back you sorry POS.

[hawaii 5-0]

Still waiting on Bush and Cheney's plan to pay for their last 'war'.

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[rock on sooner]

Still waiting on Bush and Cheney's plan to pay for their last 'war'.

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I have it on good authority that happens when he!! freezes over. Just after that,
they'll go on trial for war crimes....

[hawaii 5-0]

Disappointing so far in the lack of anything new.

Gowdy Doody is handing HRC the nomination for the Dems.

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[TAFBSooner]

Apparently these Benghazi hearings ARE of value:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html

The memo from Colin Powell to Bush 43 was apparently revealed as part of the HR Clinton e-mail cache.

So Republicans, thanks for that!!!

[SoonerProphet]

This GOP House is the biggest bunch of parliamentary nimrods in the entire history of politics. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot, they have given HRC free press and the the f*cking cross to hang on. What an epic waste of time and money.

[olevetonahill]

Disappointing so far in the lack of anything new.

Gowdy Doody is handing HRC the nomination for the Dems.

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Was there ever any REAL doubt the Yainch would get it?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk102215dAPR20151021084553.jpg

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I have it on good authority that happens when he!! freezes over. ..

Same time as when HRC speaks the truth...

[champions77]

Still waiting on Bush and Cheney's plan to pay for their last 'war'.

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Interesting that the left feigns outrage about government spending on wars...and Benghazi hearings......all the while the guy they voted for twice has presided over what will be an additional TEN TRILLION to the national debt, more debt than all of the Presidents before him...combined, and hardly hear a peep from them? Sure doesn't seem to be on the radar of the lefties on this forum.

In the two and hours of the Socialist debates the other night, nary one word was mentioned about the national debt. So one would have to come to the natural conclusion that it is not a problem, at least for Socialists? That winning elections by promising free stuff, paid for by the Treasury, seems to be working, so let's double down?

Speaking of Socialists. Interesting that the same party that now openly admits to liking many of the tenants of Socialism, even having a Presidential candidate that is a self described socialist, are the same ones that point an accusing finger at the GOP as moving too far to the right. Seems a tad disingenuous. Even the Socialist Party Chairman Debby Wasserman Schultz could not distinguish between Democrats and Socialist when recently asked that question by Chris Matthews.

Any bets as to when the Socialist Party will run candidates who are self-described "Communists" ? After all, isn't communism just socialism on steroids?

[TAFBSooner]

Assuming you're OK with The Donald, you (conservative majority on this board) should be rooting for HRC to beat Sanders:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/only-bernie-sanders-can-prevent-trump_b_8367286.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

14% of Dems won't vote for her.
11% would only back her to prevent a Republican in the White House (TAFB raises hand)

[TAFBSooner]

Interesting that the left feigns outrage about government spending on wars...and Benghazi hearings......all the while the guy they voted for twice has presided over what will be an additional TEN TRILLION to the national debt, more debt than all of the Presidents before him...combined, and hardly hear a peep from them? Sure doesn't seem to be on the radar of the lefties on this forum.

In the two and hours of the Socialist debates the other night, nary one word was mentioned about the national debt. So one would have to come to the natural conclusion that it is not a problem, at least for Socialists? That winning elections by promising free stuff, paid for by the Treasury, seems to be working, so let's double down?

Speaking of Socialists. Interesting that the same party that now openly admits to liking many of the tenants of Socialism, even having a Presidential candidate that is a self described socialist, are the same ones that point an accusing finger at the GOP as moving too far to the right. Seems a tad disingenuous. Even the Socialist Party Chairman Debby Wasserman Schultz could not distinguish between Democrats and Socialist when recently asked that question by Chris Matthews.

Any bets as to when the Socialist Party will run candidates who are self-described "Communists" ? After all, isn't communism just socialism on steroids?

Communism was an authoritarian form of rule using socialism as a cover story. My bet is on "never."

Oh, and to answer 5-0's question: their plan was to leave it to the next guy to clean up and pay for the mess. "Mission Accomplished!"

[champions77]

Communism was an authoritarian form of rule using socialism as a cover story. My bet is on "never."

Oh, and to answer 5-0's question: their plan was to leave it to the next guy to clean up and pay for the mess. "Mission Accomplished!"

Would you at least be honest enough to admit that the Dem Party has moved way to the left in the last 30 years? Much more so than any movement to the right by the GOP?

[TAFBSooner]

Would you at least be honest enough to admit that the Dem Party has moved way to the left in the last 30 years? Much more so than any movement to the right by the GOP?

My first thought is to say both parties have moved away from the middle in the last 30 years. That's because all liberals have vacated the R's, and most conservatives have vacated the D's (not including David Boren). I would not agree that the Dems have moved way more than the GOP.

Thinking about individual cases, where in the last 30 years Democrats did some pretty conservative things:
Bill Clinton signed off on ending welfare as we knew it.
Bill Clinton signed off on repealing Glass-Steagall.
Hillary Clinton voted for an unimaginably stupid invasion of Iraq.
Joe Biden voted for making it harder for individuals to declare bankruptcy.
Barack Obama implemented a health care plan which was derived from ideas from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and which increased revenues for the medical insurance market sector (I can't call them an industry).

Are you measuring "leftward" by the increase in the national debt? Democrats don't think it's in the top ten issues facing the US. Republicans wring their hands about it, but sent us into two wars on the cuff.

Would you list your top five issues you use to measure this leftward movement by the Dems?

You get to include Obamacare too, if you want, as it provided medical insurance for more people on the bottom end of the income distribution than had it before.

[Serenity Now]

Would you at least be honest enough to admit that the Dem Party has moved way to the left in the last 30 years? Much more so than any movement to the right by the GOP?

Reagan: Was tough on Israel. Sold arms to Iran. Supported Amnesty. Was supportive of some gun control measures. Supported a separation of church/state. Yeah, he wouldn't make the big stage these days. Not enough God, Liberty and xenophobia. Reagan was a Billy Graham saving souls through positive measures. Today's GOP is more focused on scaring people to heaven through the negatives.

[champions77]

Reagan: Was tough on Israel. Sold arms to Iran. Supported Amnesty. Was supportive of some gun control measures. Supported a separation of church/state. Yeah, he wouldn't make the big stage these days. Not enough God, Liberty and xenophobia. Reagan was a Billy Graham saving souls through positive measures. Today's GOP is more focused on scaring people to heaven through the negatives.

Oh wow, I love how Dems today try and paint RR as some kind of moderate. Makes you wonder why the left hated him so much. Amnesty? Sure, as long as the border is enforced and we see how that worked out. RR would never support amnesty today with what we are seeing.

About like the Dems that promised Bush 41 that if he would raise taxes, they would cut spending. We know how that one worked out too. Wrecked his re-election bid, one lie. Obama tells them every day and gets re-elected. Think our values have slipped a tad the last 20 years?

Israel? Ask Bibi who was a greater friend of Israel, RR or BHO? Surprised you would go there.

The right's defense of Religious liberty is to be expected. Why? Why do you think the moral majority got going in the 80's? Because the left aggressive attempts to remove all vestiges of religion in America today. So any time you see the Christian right stand up for the 1st Amendment, it is a direct response to the campaign waged by Secular Progressives to turn this country into a European type Secular society. Whether it be prayers banned at a sporting event, Bibles not being allowed at public schools, attempts to have "In God We Trust" removed from our currency, to BHO early in his Presidency remarking that "the United States is not a Christian Country" said either to buy favor with radical Islam, or him being totally ignorant of our history. Makes you wonder how we ever had a Christian Chaplain installed in the US Senate back in the 1780's. Also gives rise to the thought of how we ever would allow a Bible to be used to swear in the President? Or how scripture was ever allowed to be inscribed in granite on the monuments around the mall in DC. Or the Ten Commandments to be on the wall of the US Supreme court. Or how the Supreme Court that could erroneously interpret Thomas Jefferson's personal letter to the Danbury Baptists about "Separation of Church and State"?

I wonder how we would ever allow a significant portion of the First Amendment to be ignored? The part that reads "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Or a prayer at a high school football games is the "establishment of a religion". Really?

[Serenity Now]

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/03/reagans-lessons-for-obama-on-israel-iran-and-working-with-congress/

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/if-obama-treated-israel-like-reagan-did-he-d-be-impeached-1.400542

I don't listen to Bibi. He has been saying since 1993 that Iran is only a year away from having a nuke.

RR isn't conservative enough for today's GOP. The base has moved. We are more polarized. Put your head back in the sand.

Nice worldnetdaily rant. Well played. I read Jefferson's letter. I don't see how it was misinterpreted.

In God we trust wasn't on the currency until 1957. Added in the McCarthyism era. Were we heathen's before that? I don't want to take it off.

[Serenity Now]

Bibi made the news: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4714313,00.html

[REDREX]

Still waiting on Bush and Cheney's plan to pay for their last 'war'.

5-0----You mean like LBJ used Social Security to pay for Vietnam?

[olevetonahill]

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/03/reagans-lessons-for-obama-on-israel-iran-and-working-with-congress/

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/if-obama-treated-israel-like-reagan-did-he-d-be-impeached-1.400542


I don't listen to Bibi. He has been saying since 1993 that Iran is only a year away from having a nuke.
Oh Yes keep spewing, Ya Idjit Yer close but NO cigar Heres what he said in 92
1992: Israeli member of parliament Binyamin Netanyahu predicts that Iran was “3 to 5 years” from having a nuclear weapon.


RR isn't conservative enough for today's GOP. The base has moved. We are more polarized. Put your head back in the sand.

Nice worldnetdaily rant. Well played. I read Jefferson's letter. I don't see how it was misinterpreted.

In God we trust wasn't on the currency until 1957. Added in the McCarthyism era. Were we heathen's before that? I don't want to take it off.

Moran!

[Serenity Now]

Moran!

Seriously? You really are dense. It's a relative figure of speech. The point is, according to Bibi, Iran was going to be nuclear in somewhere between 1995 and 1997. My daughter born in 1996 is about to graduate high school.

In 2002 they were "using centrifuges the size of washing machines".

In 2009 they were "probably 1 to 2 years away".

In 2012 they were a few months away...at roughly the same time that Netanyahu was brandishing his cartoon bomb and telling the United Nations that Iran was close to obtaining a nuclear weapon, Israeli intelligence had actually determined the country was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons.”


The conclusion from this history is inescapable. Over the course of more than 20 years, Benjamin Netanyahu has made false claims about nuclear weapons programs in both Iran and Iraq, inventing imaginary timelines for their development, and making public statements that contradicted the analysis of his own intelligence advisers.

https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

[SicEmBaylor]

Seriously? You really are dense. It's a relative figure of speech. The point is, according to Bibi, Iran was going to be nuclear in somewhere between 1995 and 1997. My daughter born in 1996 is about to graduate high school.

In 2002 they were "using centrifuges the size of washing machines".

In 2009 they were "probably 1 to 2 years away".

In 2012 they were a few months away...at roughly the same time that Netanyahu was brandishing his cartoon bomb and telling the United Nations that Iran was close to obtaining a nuclear weapon, Israeli intelligence had actually determined the country was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons.”



https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

Israel's government is dirty and rotten to the core. They're no better than common criminals. Why we continue to give money to those people to the detriment and sacrifice of our standing with the rest of the region all the while exacerbating the problem of radical Islam is well beyond me.

[olevetonahill]

Seriously? You really are dense. It's a relative figure of speech. The point is, according to Bibi, Iran was going to be nuclear in somewhere between 1995 and 1997. My daughter born in 1996 is about to graduate high school.

In 2002 they were "using centrifuges the size of washing machines".

In 2009 they were "probably 1 to 2 years away".

In 2012 they were a few months away...at roughly the same time that Netanyahu was brandishing his cartoon bomb and telling the United Nations that Iran was close to obtaining a nuclear weapon, Israeli intelligence had actually determined the country was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons.”



https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/63454835.jpg

Like i said Moran!

[rock on sooner]

The Pubs that are running only represents a circular firing squad. Idiots like
Gowdy and Jacobs are actively loading the firearms and all are looking to which
honorable member of the House of Representatives wants to stand up and say,
"Ready, Aim, Fire!" All are frightened by who has the best aim.

Truly, IMO, for all my years of life, this is truly a clown car and no one knows
how to open the door so there is a safe exit. Jus' sayin"...

[SicEmBaylor]

The Pubs that are running only represents a circular firing squad. Idiots like
Gowdy and Jacobs are actively loading the firearms and all are looking to which
honorable member of the House of Representatives wants to stand up and say,
"Ready, Aim, Fire!" All are frightened by who has the best aim.

Truly, IMO, for all my years of life, this is truly a clown car and no one knows
how to open the door so there is a safe exit. Jus' sayin"...

Gowdy is anything but an idiot. You may disagree with his politics. You may disagree with the way he's running the Benghazi hearings, but he is anything but an idiot.

[Serenity Now]

Gowdy is anything but an idiot. You may disagree with his politics. You may disagree with the way he's running the Benghazi hearings, but he is anything but an idiot.
Then why does he come off that way?

[olevetonahill]

Then why does he come off that way?

Probably because he's been reading your posts.

[hawaii 5-0]

Gowdy is anything but an idiot. You may disagree with his politics. You may disagree with the way he's running the Benghazi hearings, but he is anything but an idiot.



Gowdy is a prosecutor but not a legislator.

5-0

[SicEmBaylor]

Gowdy is a prosecutor but not a legislator.

5-0

I tend to agree, but that doesn't make him an idiot.

[FaninAma]

The Pubs that are running only represents a circular firing squad. Idiots like
Gowdy and Jacobs are actively loading the firearms and all are looking to which
honorable member of the House of Representatives wants to stand up and say,
"Ready, Aim, Fire!" All are frightened by who has the best aim.

Truly, IMO, for all my years of life, this is truly a clown car and no one knows
how to open the door so there is a safe exit. Jus' sayin"...
Only the most rank partisan liberals would think Hillary came out of that hearing looking good. It was shown she was unaware(or claimed to be unaware) of 600 requests from the US embassy in Libya for increased security but gave unfettered access to Sidney Blumenthal who worked for the Clinton Foundation and represented interests that wanted to do business with the new regime. It was also proven she knew from day 1 that the attack wasn't due to the video yet she promoted that lie even to the victims' families.

Again, if you are even considering voting for this corrupt, power-hungry woman I have no respect for you. However, being the reasonable person you are I think you will agree with my assessment of Hillary and do the right thing.

BTW, the committe was severely limited as to how hard they could go after Hillary because they knew the liberal press and Congressional dems would excoriate them for being too hard on Hillary because she is a woman and perpetually plays the victim card. The FBI won't have the same concerns.

[champions77]

Only the most rank partisan liberals would think Hillary came out of that hearing looking good. It was shown she was unaware(or claimed to be unaware) of 600 requests from the US embassy in Libya for increased security but gave unfettered access to Sidney Blumenthal who worked for the Clinton Foundation and represented interests that wanted to do business with the new regime. It was also proven she knew from day 1 that the attack wasn't due to the video yet she promoted that lie even to the victims' families.

Again, if you are even considering voting for this corrupt, power-hungry woman I have no respect for you. However, being the reasonable person you are I think you will agree with my assessment of Hillary and do the right thing.

BTW, the committe was severely limited as to how hard they could go after Hillary because they knew the liberal press and Congressional dems would excoriate them for being too hard on Hillary because she is a woman and perpetually plays the victin card. The FBI won't have the same concerns.

+1. Well stated.
This country voted in BHO in 2008 largely based on the fact that he was for the most part an unknown. Hillary? Most everyone knows exactly what we are getting. Shame on us if this Nation votes for this woman whose greatest accomplishment Is hoodwinking millions of people into thinking she is deserving of the highest office.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Then why does he come off that way?
Because the MSM wants to protect Hillary at all costs and don't care she is complicit in the murder of 4 people at worst and gross incompetence at best...

[BoulderSooner79]

Only the most rank partisan liberals would think Hillary came out of that hearing looking good. It was shown she was unaware(or claimed to be unaware) of 600 requests from the US embassy in Libya for increased security but gave unfettered access to Sidney Blumenthal who worked for the Clinton Foundation and represented interests that wanted to do business with the new regime. It was also proven she knew from day 1 that the attack wasn't due to the video yet she promoted that lie even to the victims' families.

Again, if you are even considering voting for this corrupt, power-hungry woman I have no respect for you. However, being the reasonable person you are I think you will agree with my assessment of Hillary and do the right thing.

BTW, the committe was severely limited as to how hard they could go after Hillary because they knew the liberal press and Congressional dems would excoriate them for being too hard on Hillary because she is a woman and perpetually plays the victin card. The FBI won't have the same concerns.

I think Hilary came out a winner because every political writer I read said she did and the far right ones mostly avoided the subject. Note, I'm not saying she looked good, I'm saying probably helped her campaign or at least didn't hurt it. It could be all those analyst are wrong - have to see if any opinion polls back it up.

Claiming the committee was limited because she is a women is pure speculation on your part. Much less speculative is the fact that the republican from California stated in a public interview that the whole committee was set up just to derail Hilary. That stunt had most people thinking it was just a big waste of taxes and going hard after Clinton would just confirm it. They painted themselves into a PR corner.

[olevetonahill]

Government is itself a Huge waste of Tax Payer money!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Government is itself a Huge waste of Tax Payer money!They mostly don't GAS about any kind of efficiencies, since all they have to do is print more and/or put a gun to the head of the citizenry to cough it up.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I think Hilary came out a winner...
She's a serious crook, a liar, an authoritarian and grossly negligent, but hey, so what she's a democrat.

[BoulderSooner79]

She's a serious crook, a liar, an authoritarian and grossly negligent, but hey, so what she's a democrat.

I didn't claim otherwise. I just said she came out of the hearings a winner from an election point of view - with the help of incompetent republicans.

[FaninAma]

I think Hilary came out a winner because every political writer I read said she did and the far right ones mostly avoided the subject. Note, I'm not saying she looked good, I'm saying probably helped her campaign or at least didn't hurt it. It could be all those analyst are wrong - have to see if any opinion polls back it up.

Claiming the committee was limited because she is a women is pure speculation on your part. Much less speculative is the fact that the republican from California stated in a public interview that the whole committee was set up just to derail Hilary. That stunt had most people thinking it was just a big waste of taxes and going hard after Clinton would just confirm it. They painted themselves into a PR corner.

Only if you are still looking at her as a viable ciandidate for the office of the POTUS which means you're still not sure if she is a corrupt, crass, do anything, say any thing, unprincipled, unscrupulous, lying, personably unlikable troll.

If you hadn't made up your mind about Hillary's character before this committee hearing then you are either dense or you live in a cave in SE Oklahoma. Go ahead and vote for her. I dare you because if she gets elected she will finish the job Obama started of destroying the Democratic party on a massive grass roots scale. The problem is the country will probably follow suit.

[champions77]

You have to love Dems. Their expansion of the Federal government, and the related spending that comes with it, with BILLIONS lost to waste, fraud and abuse, is acceptable, but when it comes to investigating a Dem, they all of sudden go into their "frugal" mode for spending 4-5 million on the investigation.

[BoulderSooner79]

Only if you are still looking at her as a viable ciandidate for the office of the POTUS which means you're still not sure if she is a corrupt, crass, do anything, say any thing, unprincipled, unscrupulous, lying, personably unlikable troll.

If you hadn't made up your mind about Hillary's character before this committee hearing then you are either dense or you live in a cave in SE Oklahoma. Go ahead and vote for her. I dare you because if she gets elected she will finish the job Obama started of destroying the Democratic party on a massive grass roots scale. The problem is the country will probably follow suit.

Man, you take this s.hit personal. I'm not talking about how I perceived the hearing as I didn't watch it. I'm just trying to report what an objective 3rd party observer might think. I don't think you are capable of doing that. The news I read was about a republican who wanted the house leadership position bragging that the committee was formed to discredit Hilary. That smooth move forced him to withdraw as well as discredited the entire investigation for all but partisan republicans. All the commentary I read said that Hilary held up fine and it didn't hurt her campaign. So my claim is that whether Hilary emerged "looking good" is irrelevant - her only interest is in winning. It doesn't appear this committee will impact that outcome. I suspect it will be long forgotten a year from now.

[champions77]

Only if you are still looking at her as a viable ciandidate for the office of the POTUS which means you're still not sure if she is a corrupt, crass, do anything, say any thing, unprincipled, unscrupulous, lying, personably unlikable troll.

If you hadn't made up your mind about Hillary's character before this committee hearing then you are either dense or you live in a cave in SE Oklahoma. Go ahead and vote for her. I dare you because if she gets elected she will finish the job Obama started of destroying the Democratic party on a massive grass roots scale. The problem is the country will probably follow suit.

+1 The same crowd that believes that honesty, morals and integrity are important virtues for a friend, spouse or colleague, but for a President...not so much, will turn out by the Millions to cast their ballot for Hillary.

If this country elects her as President, then we can all agree that the high standards of the highest office, would have been compromised to a degree that this country can only be deemed as "morally bankrupted".

[TAFBSooner]

<snip> I suspect it will be long forgotten a year from now.

Not by Hillary.

[Serenity Now]

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/10/assessing-the-benghazi-committee/410389/

9/11 Commission - 22 hearings.
Benghazi - 21 hearings to date.

LOL

[champions77]

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/10/assessing-the-benghazi-committee/410389/

9/11 Commission - 22 hearings.
Benghazi - 21 hearings to date.

LOL

Gowdy received Ambassador's Steven's 1,296 pages of emails on 10/20, only two days before Hillary testified.

Clinton's used the same MO, stonewalling and obstruction, when Kenneth Starr was investigating Clinton Administration. Then complained that the investigation was costing too much and lasting too long.

I know a lot of Republicans are "Bushed out" when it comes to supporting Jeb. It's too bad that can't be said for millions of Dems who will happily support Hillary.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
She's a serious crook, a liar, an authoritarian and grossly negligent, but hey, so what she's a democrat.
I didn't claim otherwise. I just said she came out of the hearings a winner from an election point of view - with the help of incompetent republicans.She's incredibly flawed and not fit to run a lemonade stand. But...she's a democrat.

[BoulderSooner79]

Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
She's a serious crook, a liar, an authoritarian and grossly negligent, but hey, so what she's a democrat.She's incredibly flawed and not fit to run a lemonade stand. But...she's a democrat.

It's impossible for you to stay on topic as you are too emotionally invested. For the record, I'm not a Hilary fan and seriously doubt I would vote for her. I'm registered independent and will let the partisans of each party select their champion before I worry about what goes down a year from now. I only stated that from a 3rd party observer point of view, there is nothing I've seen to indicate these hearings have hurt Hilary's election chances. The McCarthy(sp?) interview bragging about the committee's objectives were clearly negative to the republican's party image; the fact he had to withdraw from speaker consideration proves that. whether it impacted any of the republican prez candidates, I don't know.

[SoonerProphet]

Gowdy received Ambassador's Steven's 1,296 pages of emails on 10/20, only two days before Hillary testified.

That is his own damn fault because Amb Stevens emails have been discussed at length during past hearings.

[FaninAma]

That is his own damn fault because Amb Stevens emails except for the thirteenhundred released 2 days before this hearing have been discussed at length during past hearings.

FIFY. YWIA.

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pol/5277905769.html

Email after email after email from and to Sidney Blumenthal. Not one single email to or from Ambassador Stevens. Do you really not find that tidbit of info the least bit troubling?

[champions77]

That is his own damn fault because Amb Stevens emails have been discussed at length during past hearings.

They may have been discussed but Gowdy's Select Committee was the first to request ALL of his emails. That makes the earlier investigations a joke.

So Hillary acknowledge that Ambassador Stevens requested additional security....but in doing so his requests didn't seem very urgent, or something to that effect? At least that's how she interpreted them. So he didn't get any additional security. I wonder how many she actually read? Not as many as the ones sent from Sidney Blumenthal, that we know.

At what point in time are the American people going to demand more from their politicians? My gosh Hillary is lacking in the most important quality.....Integrity. She has zilch.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

At what point in time are the American people going to demand more from their politicians? My gosh Hillary is lacking in the most important quality.....Integrity. She has zilch.Say hey BoulderSooner, the subject of the thread is Hillry is more poison for America. Yes, she is a democrat.

[Serenity Now]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/

[FaninAma]

Sometimes if you are a thoughtful, informed voter it is better to send your party a message by abstaining from voting for whatever POS candidate they trot out for election. It is obvious the Democrats have moved ideologically to the left of some in their party and most of the independents in this country. They are totally dependent on low information voters driven by personality politics to salvage elections for President. They have basically written off local and state control where personality and media driven celebrity status are not factors in elections. There only hope for advancing their agenda is control of the Presidency and control of the Federal courts. The two goals are one and the same.

I personally will not vote for Jeb, Kasich, Christie, Graham, or Trump*. I would definitely vote for Cruz, Paul, Jindel and Carson. I would consider Fiorina and Rubio.

* Trump is untrustworthy based on the disconnect between his past actions and current espoused opinions.

[champions77]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/

No one has stated that W didn't have attacks on his watch. The main difference is there was not a cover-up orchestrated to enhance a presidential election bid. Why is that so hard to understand?

[champions77]

Sometimes if you are a thoughtful, informed voter it is better to send your party a message by abstaining from voting for whatever POS candidate they trot out for election. It is obvious the Democrats have moved ideologically to the left of some in their party and most of the independents in this country. They are totally dependent on low information voters driven by personality politics to salvage elections for President. They have basically written off local and state control where personality and media driven celebrity status are not factors in elections. There only hope for advancing their agenda is control of the Presidency and control of the Federal courts. The two goals are one and the same.

I personally will not vote for Jeb, Kasich, Christie, Graham, or Trump*. I would definitely vote for Cruz, Paul, Jindel and Carson. I would consider Fiorina and Rubio.

* Trump is untrustworthy based on the disconnect between his past actions and current espoused opinions.

So you wouldn't vote Trump over the wicked witch? You might want to reconsider that.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So you wouldn't vote Trump over the wicked witch? You might want to reconsider that.a non-vote, just like a third party vote, realistically is half a vote for a democrat. Yes, it's not higher math.

[Serenity Now]

No one has stated that W didn't have attacks on his watch. The main difference is there was not a cover-up orchestrated to enhance a presidential election bid. Why is that so hard to understand?

They were first told it was possibly about the videos. At other locations it was. It's so politicized it's laughable. The sad thing is that 21 hearings actually does a disservice to the men killed. The right cut the State Department's budget by about 10-15%. Why's that not an issue? The way I look at it, it doesn't matter why. And, at times, telling the truth publicly as to "why" might hurt our cause in the long run. In this instance, seeing the great satan take it in the short and curlies like this and learning that Al-Q or some other outfit was responsible could lead to recruiting win's for that outfit. Keeping it on the down low is not necessarily wrong....unless you want to crucify someone. It just needs to be done in concert with the intelligence apparatus.

[BoulderSooner79]

Say hey BoulderSooner, the subject of the thread is Hillry is more poison for America. Yes, she is a democrat.

It must be my browser is broken - it has the subject title as something to do with Benghazi. Pardon the interruption.

As far as your hatred of Hilary and democrats - you post it in every single thread. Maybe it's just that your browser is broken and that's the only title you see.

[okie52]

a non-vote, just like a third party vote, realistically is half a vote for a democrat. Yes, it's not higher math.

Voting for jeb, rubio, kasich, christie, pataki, graham, et al is like voting for dem lite and supporting the pub establishment. At some point in time most pubs that aren't absolutely dominated by the RNC propaganda will demand to be represented. It appears to be happening this year. Let's hope it continues.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It must be my browser is broken - it has the subject title as something to do with Benghazi. Pardon the interruption.

As far as your hatred of Hilary and democrats - you post it in every single thread. Maybe it's just that your browser is broken and that's the only title you see.It's the upcoming election, bubba. Shirley you must have just forgotten haha.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Voting for jeb, rubio, kasich, christie, pataki, graham, et al is like voting for dem lite and supporting the pub establishment. At some point in time most pubs that aren't absolutely dominated by the RNC propaganda will demand to be represented. It appears to be happening this year. Let's hope it continues.Couldn't agree more, but dem lite is better than full-on dem. Not voting or 3rd party voting is asking for full-on dem...and, we all realize that you know the reality, but don't seem to care enough about the country to stop hissyfitting.

[Serenity Now]

It's the upcoming election, bubba. Shirley you must have just forgotten haha.

You mean the one over a year from now? Baker Mayfield will be getting geared up for his last month of the regular season as a Sooner by the time the election rolls around.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

It is a Witch hunt!
They Hunting that ****in Witch Billiary and hoping to burn her at the stake!:apple:

that was my same reaction to the subject line

[Since71ASooner4Life]

No one has stated that W didn't have attacks on his watch. The main difference is there was not a cover-up orchestrated to enhance a presidential election bid. Why is that so hard to understand?

its sad that many democratic voters are so committed to vote the party promising gifts, despite the flawed character so obvious to their own eyes

[FaninAma]

Ben Affleck had Hillary's private e-mail address but Christopher Stevens didn't.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/30/ben-affleck-had-hillary-s-direct-email.html

[hawaii 5-0]

Ben Affleck had Hillary's private e-mail address but Christopher Stevens didn't.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/30/ben-affleck-had-hillary-s-direct-email.html

As has presented in testimony several times, Stevens and HRC communicated by regular diplomatic Cables like the rest of the hundreds of diplomatic ambassadors in the State Dept.

Yet another failed argument. You runnin' for a House of Representatives job ? I think you'd qualify.

5-0

[FaninAma]

As has presented in testimony several times, Stevens and HRC communicated by regular diplomatic Cables like the rest of the hundreds of diplomatic ambassadors in the State Dept.

Yet another failed argument. You runnin' for a House of Representatives job ? I think you'd qualify.

5-0
Talking out of your *** as usual.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/22/clinton-benghazi-hearing-gowdy-dead-deserve-truth/?page=all

But she seemed unsure of whether she spoke with Stevens (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/christopher-stevens/) in the months between swearing him in as ambassador and the attack, in which he died of smoke inhalation.

[hawaii 5-0]

Talking out of your *** as usual.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/22/clinton-benghazi-hearing-gowdy-dead-deserve-truth/?page=all

I shouldn't even be arguing about this. The article is correct. Stevens complaints about lack of sufficient security would go through regular channels, the DoD and the CIA, not the State Dept.

This was all covered in the House Witch Hunt. I can only surmise you missed it.

"But she seemed unsure" I have no idea how must faith to put in that as testified facts but you see, I'm not a supposed evangelical.


5-0

[FaninAma]

Let me remind you what you posted:

As has presented in testimony several times, Stevens and HRC communicated by regular diplomatic Cables like the rest of the hundreds of diplomatic ambassadors in the State Dept.

Yet another failed argument. You runnin' for a House of Representatives job ? I think you'd qualify.

5-0

Now you are claiming:

Stevens complaints about lack of sufficient security would go through regular channels, the DoD and the CIA, not the State Dept.

So HRC didn't communicate with Stevens as you claimed in your first post. Damn, did you get whiplash from that quick change of direction?

I used to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't stupid but just very partisan. I've changed my mind.

[hawaii 5-0]

That you can't comprehend that Ambassador Stevens's requests for added security for his 'consulate/CIA listening post' in Benghazi would have been funneled thru the State Dept to the normal channels of the DoD and the CIA and not directly to HRC's private email inbox as was testified to via several investigations doesn't surprise me.

5-0

[FaninAma]

That you can't comprehend that Ambassador Stevens's requests for added security for his 'consulate/CIA listening post' in Benghazi would have been funneled thru the State Dept to the normal channels of the DoD and the CIA and not directly to HRC's private email inbox as was testified to via several investigations doesn't surprise me.

5-0
First you claimed Stevens communicated with HRC via cables and other non-email routes. When that was shown to be BS you switched yor story and claimed Stevens only comminicated with non-State Department agencies and that Hillary was justified in being ignorant about the risks and dangers to the embassy staff. So why hasn't Hillary named those in the DoD and CIA who dropped the ball? My guess is because they didn't. Hillary dropped the ball.

So in summary you admit HRC, who pushed for regime change in Libya, never personally talked to the Libyan ambassador after he was sworn in. She let subordinates do it. I guess she was too busy talking to Hollywood celebreties, Sidney Blumenthal and all the others who wanted to contribute to the Clinton slush fund.

Nice to know you have no ethical standards at all for the leftist candidates you support. You are so pathetically partisan .

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First you claimed Stevens communicated with HRC via cables and other non-email routes. When that was shown to be BS




Maybe you can explain just exactly how Stevens communicated with the State Dept.

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[FaninAma]

Maybe you can explain just exactly how Stevens communicated with the State Dept.

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So which version/story are you going to stick with....Stevens did communicate with HRC(just not via e-mail) or Stevens didn't communicate with HRC but did with the DoD and the CIA? Now remember HRC testified she didn't recall talking to Stevens since swearing him in as ambassador. Maybe she is just trying to be slippery like her husband. Maybe she meant she didn't talk to him but she cabled him. Maybe it just depends on what you mean by the word talk(is) is. LOL

[FaninAma]

So which version/story are you going to stick with....Stevens did communicate with HRC(just not via e-mail) or Stevens didn't communicate with HRC but did with the DoD and the CIA? Now remember HRC testified she didn't recall talking to Stevens since swearing him in as ambassador. Maybe she is just trying to be slippery like her husband. Maybe she meant she didn't talk to him but she cabled him. Maybe it just depends on what you mean by the word talk(is) is. LOL

It is fun watching you try to explain and rationalize the obsfucating, misleading, and inconsistent stories HRC has given about this episode. If you get a muscle strain from twisting yourself into a pretzel I can recommend a good physical therapist.

[champions77]

It is fun watching you try to explain and rationalize the obsfucating, misleading, and inconsistent stories HRC has given about this episode. If you get a muscle strain from twisting yourself into a pretzel I can recommend a good physical therapist.

The crowd that will vote for Hillary for President wouldn't enter into a business deal with her in a million years. Why? Because they know she is a dishonest, unethical mean spirited goof.
Tell me again Dems why it is not necessary for someone running for the highest office to be honest, with high morals and integrity? Doesn't bother you that ACA was promoted with lies, and would have never been approved...without lying.
Our fellow citizens lowering the standards for someone to be President is as perplexing as it is void of any degree of common sense, and is another reason we are no longer a great Nation. Another is the welfare state the Dems promote above all else. Another is the failed schools they are satisfied with. Another is the military they weaken every time they get into office. Another is climate change that is promoted with bogus statistical data, and would result in one of the biggest power/control grabs and tax increases in US history.
God help us...

[Serenity Now]

The crowd that will vote for Hillary for President wouldn't enter into a business deal with her in a million years. Why? Because they know she is a dishonest, unethical mean spirited goof.
Tell me again Dems why it is not necessary for someone running for the highest office to be honest, with high morals and integrity? Doesn't bother you that ACA was promoted with lies, and would have never been approved...without lying.
Our fellow citizens lowering the standards for someone to be President is as perplexing as it is void of any degree of common sense, and is another reason we are no longer a great Nation. Another is the welfare state the Dems promote above all else. Another is the failed schools they are satisfied with. Another is the military they weaken every time they get into office. Another is climate change that is promoted with bogus statistical data, and would result in one of the biggest power/control grabs and tax increases in US history.
God help us...
You've been watching too much "news".

A friend related a story for me last week. Over the last few years his insurance premiums had gone up considerably for his personal health insurance. He also is saving $120,000 per year on his employee's insurance premiums. He looked at the net gain to his expenses as -$6,000. He didn't catch the +115,000. He blamed Obama for the negative but not for the positive. Of course, he's an osu fan.

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So which version/story are you going to stick with....Stevens did communicate with HRC(just not via e-mail) or Stevens didn't communicate with HRC but did with the DoD and the CIA? Now remember HRC testified she didn't recall talking to Stevens since swearing him in as ambassador. Maybe she is just trying to be slippery like her husband. Maybe she meant she didn't talk to him but she cabled him. Maybe it just depends on what you mean by the word talk(is) is. LOL


I can only suppose you missed the part where HRC testified that security concerns at the embassies/consulates were funneled thru regular channels to the DoD and the CIA who handled that. She also said that she didn't even have a computer monitor at her desk.
All 60,000 employees at the State Dept didn't report directly to her personally.

Further discussion is closed about this till you educate yourself in the communication channels of the State Department. Hard to believe you're that dense, unless you're rolling on the floor speaking in tongues.

I refuse to have to keep schooling you on testimony already presented. Or just stay on the Short Bus.

Honestly I'm proud HRC refused to testify behind closed doors as the other witnesses were forced to do. She wanted her testimony out there for the World to see. Interesting that the Witch Hunt spent so much time on Sidney Blumenthall's testimony but refused to release it to the public. Must either be some exculpatory stuff in there or testimony confirming the Committee was actually the witch hunt admitted by at least 3 Republicans so far.
When releasing the testimony of Blumenthall was called for a vote one idiot Republican actually voted to release it and Gowdy Doody had to quickly remind him to vote against it. What a laugh !

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[FaninAma]

I can only suppose you missed the part where HRC testified that security concerns at the embassies/consulates were funneled thru regular channels to the DoD and the CIA who handled that. She also said that she didn't even have a computer monitor at her desk.
All 60,000 employees at the State Dept didn't report directly to her personally.

Further discussion is closed about this till you educate yourself in the communication channels of the State Department. Hard to believe you're that dense, unless you're rolling on the floor speaking in tongues.

I refuse to have to keep schooling you on testimony already presented. Or just stay on the Short Bus.

Honestly I'm proud HRC refused to testify behind closed doors as the other witnesses were forced to do. She wanted her testimony out there for the World to see. Interesting that the Witch Hunt spent so much time on Sidney Blumenthall's testimony but refused to release it to the public. Must either be some exculpatory stuff in there or testimony confirming the Committee was actually the witch hunt admitted by at least 3 Republicans so far.
When releasing the testimony of Blumenthall was called for a vote one idiot Republican actually voted to release it and Gowdy Doody had to quickly remind him to vote against it. What a laugh !

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Lets review what you posted:

As has presented in testimony several times, Stevens and HRC communicated by regular diplomatic Cables

Drilling down even further:

Stevens and HRC communicated

Did you misspeak or do you have early alzheimer's disease?

You are the poster child for the low information, low ethical standard Democrat voter.