Good guys with guns...

[Serenity Now]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/armed-vet-destroys-gun-nuts-argument-on-mass-shooters-by-explaining-why-he-didnt-attack-oregon-killer/

Good thing armed people were on on campus.

[olevetonahill]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/armed-vet-destroys-gun-nuts-argument-on-mass-shooters-by-explaining-why-he-didnt-attack-oregon-killer/

Good thing armed people were on on campus.

You're a ****ing Moran deluxe

[REDREX]

So What?

[yermom]

a guy that wasn't even in the same building?

that's a bit of a non-story

this is the second idiot mom that thought she should take her troubled son shooting and give him access to guns in her house

[olevetonahill]

a guy that wasn't even in the same building?

that's a bit of a non-story

this is the second idiot mom that thought she should take her troubled son shooting and give him access to guns in her house

Yup

[Curly Bill]

SN - Can't even troll effectively. I almost feel bad for the effete little loser. ;)

[olevetonahill]

SN - Can't even troll effectively. I almost feel bad for the effete little loser. ;)

Almost being the Word!

[olevetonahill]

Hey Curly You an I are armed that musta been why we dint rush to kill the perp cause we blocks away er sompun:sneakiness:

[Curly Bill]

Hey Curly You an I are armed that musta been why we dint rush to kill the perp cause we blocks away er sompun:sneakiness:

Yeah, I was gonna jump right in, but I was a thousand miles away, and thought the coppers would shoot me instead. Anyway, I'm gonna repent and give up my guns now, cause I see the error of my ways.

...Gonna have to sell that brand new Glock 27 I bought just last Friday! :sulkiness:

[olevetonahill]

Yeah, I was gonna jump right in, but I was a thousand miles away, and thought the coppers would shoot me instead. Anyway, I'm gonna repent and give up my guns now, cause I see the error of my ways.

...Gonna have to sell that brand new Glock 27 I bought just last Friday! :sulkiness:

No dont sell it, Ya Dumas. That just be passing the evil onto others. Give it the PoPos to melt down in exchange for a voucher fer free soup er sompun.

[Curly Bill]

No dont sell it, Ya Dumas. That just be passing the evil onto others. Give it the PoPos to melt down in exchange for a voucher fer free soup er sompun.

Damn! Glad you caught that and showed me the way. I would have hated for my gun to go to someone and make a killer out of em!

[olevetonahill]

Damn! Glad you caught that and showed me the way. I would have hated for my gun to go to someone and make a killer out of em!

Just friends helping Friends

[Skysooner]

I carry myself, and I would have hesitated getting involved just like the guy in the article did unless I was right there in the way. He brings up valid arguments for SWAT, etc. Honestly it is going to take a life threatening emergencey for me to ever pull my pistol.

[olevetonahill]

I carry myself, and I would have hesitated getting involved just like the guy in the article did unless I was right there in the way. He brings up valid arguments for SWAT, etc. Honestly it is going to take a life threatening emergencey for me to ever pull my pistol.

Hey Sky, Dont look now, BUT KILLING 9 People is kinda a LIFE threatening EMERGENCY!


The Proper way to handle this would be to Pull yer shootin iron Blast the crazy mother****er to hell and back, then lay yer weapon down and step away with hands showing,

[Skysooner]

Hey Sky, Dont look now, BUT KILLING 9 People is kinda a LIFE threatening EMERGENCY!


The Proper way to handle this would be to Pull yer shootin iron Blast the crazy mother****er to hell and back, then lay yer weapon down and step away with hands showing,

I meant if I were a long way from where it happened like the guy in the original story. If in the same building of course I would have gone after him. I live pretty near both Columbine HS and the theater in Aurora where the mass shooting occurred. The theater shooting in Aurora is what prompted me to get my conceal carry. I wasn't going to be caught in a situation like that where I couldn't fight back.

[olevetonahill]

I meant if I were a long way from where it happened like the guy in the original story. If in the same building of course I would have gone after him. I live pretty near both Columbine HS and the theater in Aurora where the mass shooting occurred. The theater shooting in Aurora is what prompted me to get my conceal carry. I wasn't going to be caught in a situation like that where I couldn't fight back.

Exactly. If your not in the imediate vicinity then gather those around you in a safe place and stand guard until all is clear.

Old Snifilise nose was just trying to troll LOL

[Soonerjeepman]

again....

bats
tire iron
knives
car
pipe
rope
bag of marbles

ALL potential KILLING "machines"....

ban them all I say~

Sky has it right...I'd say 100% of all CC folks will ONLY pull gun IF there is a chance of helping. We all know we are liable as well, even if we kill a shooter like this guy...HIS/HER family is going to sue us.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Based on SN's post, I doubt he is CC. 'Jeepman has it right. CC will only use if last resort and can do something and is in harm's way. Be sure of action before pulling.

[Serenity Now]

I don't carry any weapon. At least none that I need a license for. :)

I guess my point is that we are continually told that good guys with guns > bad buys with guns. Until the rubber meets the road.

Again, I would just like to see the NRA roll back their platform to the 1980's era. They supported some control of access to firearms. We've migrated to where they will not concede an inch. I'm not sure what changed except for possibly [insert church lady voice] the lobby of the bun manufacturers? Obama is in his 6th year. I thought he was going to confiscate all of the guns?

[olevetonahill]

I don't carry any weapon. At least none that I need a license for. :)

Yea, Fairy dust aint regulated

I guess my point is that we are continually told that good guys with guns > bad buys with guns. Until the rubber meets the road.

No one in the immediate area HAD a weapon, So you lose again

Again, I would just like to see the NRA roll back their platform to the 1980's era. They supported some control of access to firearms. We've migrated to where they will not concede an inch. WE gave an gave, Then the Libs turned all the Nuts loose, We shouldnt have to concede anymore I'm not sure what changed except for possibly [insert church lady voice] the lobby of the bun manufacturers? Obama is in his 6th year. I thought he was going to confiscate all of the guns?

He dint confiscate Guns cause he dint wanta DIE in a Fire.

[Soonerjeepman]

I don't carry any weapon. At least none that I need a license for. :)

I guess my point is that we are continually told that good guys with guns > bad buys with guns. Until the rubber meets the road.

Again, I would just like to see the NRA roll back their platform to the 1980's era. They supported some control of access to firearms. We've migrated to where they will not concede an inch. I'm not sure what changed except for possibly [insert church lady voice] the lobby of the bun manufacturers? Obama is in his 6th year. I thought he was going to confiscate all of the guns?

what in the hell are you talking about? IF you are saying there were cc folks IN THE ROOM and did nothing...yes. From everything I have seen/read...the only guy with CC was buildings away...AGAIN, take a cc class. You are told to NOT GO TO THE FIGHT...but believe what you want.

[Serenity Now]

what in the hell are you talking about? IF you are saying there were cc folks IN THE ROOM and did nothing...yes. From everything I have seen/read...the only guy with CC was buildings away...AGAIN, take a cc class. Your are told to NOT GO TO THE FIGHT...but believe what you want.

Why would I take a CC class?

So don't go save people? Got it.

[olevetonahill]

Why would I take a CC class?

So don't go save people? Got it.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/004030707/f55061554591ee00c37a599e713ddf6e_answer_5_xlarge.j peg

[Skysooner]

Why would I take a CC class?

So don't go save people? Got it.

We aren't soldiers nor are we the police. CC classes mostly teach you when it is okay to draw and when it is not. Mostly it is not okay. CC means acting responsibly. The responsible thing would have been to protect the people you can that are immediately around you and not to rush into something we aren't trained for.

[olevetonahill]

We aren't soldiers nor are we the police. CC classes mostly teach you when it is okay to draw and when it is not. Mostly it is not okay. CC means acting responsibly. The responsible thing would have been to protect the people you can that are immediately around you and not to rush into something we aren't trained for.

That and he might wanta take the class, Just so he would have a clue!

[REDREX]

I really don't like to go in a QT and see some 18 year old kid--- with an open carry permit and a gun on his hip---I know its legal but don't think he needs it on the mean streets of South Tulsa

[olevetonahill]

I really don't like to go in a QT and see some 18 year old kid--- with an open carry permit and a gun on his hip---I know its legal but don't think he needs it on the mean streets of South Tulsa

If hes 18 then its NOT legal Once again folks talking without Facts
http://www.usacarry.com/oklahoma_concealed_carry_permit_information.html



Requirements:
1. A citizen of the United States;
2. Establish a residency in the State of Oklahoma;
*For purposes of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, the term “residency” shall apply to any person who either possesses a valid Oklahoma driver license or state photo identification card and physically resides in this state or has permanent military orders within this state and possesses a valid driver license from another state where such person claims residency
3. be at least 21 years of age;
4. Request or print an application;
5. Read and become knowledgeable of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act;
6. Complete the required firearms safety and training class or apply for and receive an exemption;
7. Take the completed application, photographs, required fees, and the blank finger print cards found in the application packet to the Sheriff’s Office in the county where he or she resides.

[Serenity Now]

We aren't soldiers nor are we the police. CC classes mostly teach you when it is okay to draw and when it is not. Mostly it is not okay. CC means acting responsibly. The responsible thing would have been to protect the people you can that are immediately around you and not to rush into something we aren't trained for.

A favorite saying from the old days: "F***, fight or go for your guns". I never was able to be calm/cool enough to say it in the moment with the adrenaline flowing. I'm sure that surprises Curly.

[REDREX]

If hes 18 then its NOT legal Once again folks talking without Facts
http://www.usacarry.com/oklahoma_concealed_carry_permit_information.html---OK sorry 21 year old kid that looks like he is 18-----With the big iron on his hip

[olevetonahill]

---OK sorry 21 year old kid that looks like he is 18-----With the big iron on his hip

:drunk: Just need to keep FACTs out front not Hyperbole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999RqGZatPs

[olevetonahill]

A favorite saying from the old days: "F***, fight or go for your guns". I never was able to be calm/cool enough to say it in the moment with the adrenaline flowing. I'm sure that surprises Curly.

Can you please say "Whos" Favorite saying that was?
Its also kinda Obvious you cant control yourself in any situation let alone a Life or Death.

[REDREX]

Yep that's him

[Serenity Now]

Can you please say "Whos" Favorite saying that was?
Its also kinda Obvious you cant control yourself in any situation let alone a Life or Death.

It was a saying that we used in our circle in eastern Oklahoma. Much like "poop or get off the pot". I heard it one time in "live action" by a friend of mine. Often it was applied amongst us joking about things. We thought it sounded tough.

Just so you know, I can handle myself just fine. You can F right off.

[Curly Bill]

A favorite saying from the old days: "F***, fight or go for your guns". I never was able to be manly enough to say it in the moment with the estrogen flowing. I'm sure that surprises Curly.

Not really.

[olevetonahill]

It was a saying that we used in our circle in eastern Oklahoma. Much like "poop or get off the pot". I heard it one time in "live action" by a friend of mine. Often it was applied amongst us joking about things. We thought it sounded tough.

Just so you know, I can handle myself just fine. You can F right off.

Yup. Looks like you can handle yerself around a Buffet fer sho
https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/really-fat-guy-on-computer_1295986041.jpg?w=510&h=381

[rock on sooner]

Welp, I wuz gonna respond..but, I got nuthin'..so sad...

[Soonerjeepman]

Why would I take a CC class?

So don't go save people? Got it.

YOU were the one jackin on the guy with the CC, "we are continually told good guys with guns > bad guys". He did what he was suppose to do...you clearly have no idea what you are talking about...which actually makes sense.

[olevetonahill]

YOU were the one jackin on the guy with the CC, "we are continually told good guys with guns > bad guys". He did what he was suppose to do...you clearly have no idea what you are talking about...which actually makes sense.

So Jeep, Yer saying that Light bulb just lit up about SN ? :drunk:

[Soonerjeepman]

So Jeep, Yer saying that Light bulb just lit up about SN ? :drunk:

lol....

[Serenity Now]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/12/21/167785169/live-blog-nra-news-conference

It's Wayne's terminology, not mine.

[olevetonahill]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/12/21/167785169/live-blog-nra-news-conference

It's Wayne's terminology, not mine.

Can you Possibly say anything stupider? How many times you got to be told the Good Dude that HAD a Gun was several buildings away when this happened.
http://media.makeameme.org/created/250/my-name-is-6d2jsz.jpg

[Serenity Now]

Can you Possibly say anything stupider? How many times you got to be told the Good Dude that HAD a Gun was several buildings away when this happened.
http://media.makeameme.org/created/250/my-name-is-6d2jsz.jpg

Maybe Wayne shouldn't say such stupid things.

[olevetonahill]

Maybe Wayne shouldn't say such stupid things.

Let me type this real slow so maybe you can grasp the idea ok?
#1 If im armed and in a store say ok? with me so far? Now some lunatic comes in the SAME store and starts shooting folks, Then Ima pull and return fire. ya still with me here? i dint go to fast now did I?

Now say Im in a store on ONE end of a giant Mall and Im armed, Ya hanging in there sport? Now way the **** and gone to the other end of the Mall some Lunatic comes in and starts shooting Folks. I need to hold My position and attempt to protect those around me!. Ya see how that works?
Now If I pull Iron and go running towards the shooting No one knows who I am and they Liable to think Im a bad guy also

Ya see Brightness We as armed Citizens are NOT the PoPo. Nor are we in uniform. so does that get thru yer cast iron skull?

http://media.makeameme.org/created/250/my-name-is-6d2jsz.jpg

[yermom]

Unless they are shoplifting. Then you chase after their car emptying your gun at them...

http://m.wayneindependent.com/article/ZZ/20151008/SHAREABLE/151009895/-1/news

What a stupid bitch...

[Turd_Ferguson]

Unless they are shoplifting. Then you chase after their car emptying your gun at them...

http://m.wayneindependent.com/article/ZZ/20151008/SHAREABLE/151009895/-1/news

What a stupid bitch...

Too bad she missed, then a stink'n *** thief would be dead and her dumb *** would be locked up.

[olevetonahill]

Unless they are shoplifting. Then you chase after their car emptying your gun at them...

http://m.wayneindependent.com/article/ZZ/20151008/SHAREABLE/151009895/-1/news

What a stupid bitch...
Which just Claifies the Points we've been making.
yes the broad was dumb as SN.

[Curly Bill]

Which just Claifies the Points we've been making.
yes the broad was dumb as SN.

But...is she as big a b*tch?

[olevetonahill]

But...is she as big a b*tch?

Heh

Check out my new Open carry holster :drunk:
https://scontent.fden3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12107259_450879798445862_6368127930122176976_n.jpg ?oh=c3a881ec9001f2a33b327a071420ca15&oe=56CB4692

[Curly Bill]

What a beauty!

[Serenity Now]

Let me type this real slow so maybe you can grasp the idea ok?
#1 If im armed and in a store say ok? with me so far? Now some lunatic comes in the SAME store and starts shooting folks, Then Ima pull and return fire. ya still with me here? i dint go to fast now did I?

Now say Im in a store on ONE end of a giant Mall and Im armed, Ya hanging in there sport? Now way the **** and gone to the other end of the Mall some Lunatic comes in and starts shooting Folks. I need to hold My position and attempt to protect those around me!. Ya see how that works?
Now If I pull Iron and go running towards the shooting No one knows who I am and they Liable to think Im a bad guy also

Ya see Brightness We as armed Citizens are NOT the PoPo. Nor are we in uniform. so does that get thru yer cast iron skull?

http://media.makeameme.org/created/250/my-name-is-6d2jsz.jpg

I thought you were part of the well regulated militia.

[TVKaleen]

The college was a gun free zone with a security guard armed with mace. So everyone who didn't have a gun was following the rules. Got 9 of them killed. Notice these guys always go for places that are gun free zones like schools and military recruiting stations. They never go to a gun show or a skeet shooting tourney? At least my school has armed security and police to protect me. The cops did a good job getting there in 7 minutes but in 7 minutes with just a couple of hand guns and reloads, you make a lot of dead bodies.

[TVKaleen]

btw.. the Second Militia Act of 1792 established that the militia would be compromised of all free able-bodied white male citizen between 18 and 45. Later this was expanded to all free able-bodied male citizens (race was removed) between the ages of 18 and 54. It required that each man provide himself with a musket, bayonet, and belt. If you owned a rifle, you were required to keep 20 rifle balls and a 1/4 pound of powder. And ironically congressmen were exempted from these requirements. So I would say that shows what the Founding Fathers considered the militia to be. EVERYONE who can fight is the militia.

These laws were superseded by the Militia Act of 1903 with the establishment of the national guard but between the original act of 1792 and the Federalist/Anti-Federalist papers, we can tell that our Founding Fathers didn't really trust a centralized government. The only one of them who liked the idea was Hamilton and well, let's face it, he wanted Washington to be King of the United States.

[Serenity Now]

The college was a gun free zone with a security guard armed with mace. So everyone who didn't have a gun was following the rules. Got 9 of them killed. Notice these guys always go for places that are gun free zones like schools and military recruiting stations. They never go to a gun show or a skeet shooting tourney? At least my school has armed security and police to protect me. The cops did a good job getting there in 7 minutes but in 7 minutes with just a couple of hand guns and reloads,b you make a lot of dead bodies.
Except that any concealed carry holder could carry their their firearm on campus. High schools and colleges are targets because troubled young people are there. I don't think it has anything to do with "gun free". I don't get elementary schools.

[olevetonahill]

I thought you were part of the well regulated militia.

Keep trolling Moran

[TVKaleen]

I read somewhere that guns were allowed on campus but not in the buildings (ie. you could have a gun in your car on campus but might get into trouble if you had it on your person). So troubled youth. Guess that explains the recruiting station in Tennessee, Sandyhook, or the movie theater. But based on that wouldn't you see mass murders occurring at church camps and basically anywhere 18 year old kids congregate?

Regardless, knowing that people who have CC permits are trained to protect themselves but not to go looking for the bad guy (my mother has had a CC since it was possible in this state), you are making a good argument for having a CC person in every classroom.

All this being said, I'm for keeping guns out of the mentally insane. How do you that in a country where there are literally millions of unregistered firearms? Realistically? Do we are all Gun Nazi on everyone and have the FBI/police/ATF/military sweep door to door for the guns? Because I'm sure all four of those groups have the appropriate soft touch and people skills to pull that off without a bunch of dead people (Ruby Ridge/go search the internet for cops doing bad thing videos/Waco/Kent State). And until you can track most of the guns, you are just blowing smoke. And to get there you are going to have to stop being the US of A and become something different. I don't see that happening.

So instead of passing gun bills that haven't worked and won't work, why don't we start dealing the root causes.. I dunno.. like maybe mental illness and possibly in this last case insurgency. Definately a home grown terrorist in the Tennessee and at Fort Hood (workplace violence my ***).

[Serenity Now]

Oregon state law stipulates that no local rule or law will disallow concealed carry licensees from carrying their firearms.

[Serenity Now]

Maybe we could hold people accountable financially for providing a firearm to someone who won't pass the background check. We've done it with drunk driving. People don't do it like they used to. The penalties are severe now.

[olevetonahill]

Maybe we could hold people accountable financially for providing a firearm to someone who won't pass the background check. We've done it with drunk driving. People don't do it like they used to. The penalties are severe now.

If they are caught being a straw buyer they are Prosecuted and tossed in the clink on a Felony charge.Thats a pretty severe Financial penalty dont ya think? Unless your Obammy and Holder doing the "Fast an Furious" dance.

[TVKaleen]

Section 922(g) of the Brady Bill prohibits certain persons from shipping or transporting any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce, or receiving any firearm which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, or possessing any firearm in or affecting commerce. These prohibitions apply to any person who:

Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
Is a fugitive from justice;
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;
Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner, or;
Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

And yet Holmes' defense attorney Tamara Brady asked Beggs if there is a legal process to keep from selling these items legally in Colorado to a "severely mentally ill person." Beggs answered that there is not.

These two statements do not jibe. James Eagan Holmes was EXACTLY who the Brady Bill was supposed to stop. But it is so difficult these days to get anyone declared a mental defective. You look through almost all of these cases and you see broken people on antidepressants and anti-psychotics and yet pass the background check. Why is that? We don't need more gun control, we need a system to add people who are on these heavy meds for mental illness to the do not sell list. Obviously a person who is mentally ill does not pass the "abled bodied" check of our Founding Fathers.

And one more question.. Does your stance mean that all the victims and the families of the dead murdered by Patrick Sherrill should be able to hold the provider of his weapons financially responsible? Or should the government fine the institution that gave him his 2 .45's and 200 rounds of ammo?

[Serenity Now]

I don't think gun manufacturers should be liable.

[TVKaleen]

I don't think gun manufacturers should be liable.

It was the National Guard that armed Pat Sherrill. He checked out both .45's from the armory and recieved 200 rounds of ammo from them.

I had actually met the man at HAMFest and at a HAM radio field day. Had a QSL card from him.

[REDREX]

Maybe we could hold people accountable financially for providing a firearm to someone who won't pass the background check. We've done it with drunk driving. People don't do it like they used to. The penalties are severe now.---I am sure that would solve the entire problem--------you have to be kidding

[Serenity Now]

---I am sure that would solve the entire problem--------you have to be kidding

A. It's a longterm thing.
B. What if it only saved the US from one school shooting and kept other people who aren't supposed to have access to guns that way. Make people accountable and gun safe usage would go up. is that a bad thing?

[dwarthog]

I know, we could require that everyone have insurance on their auto's too! That way everyone is covered in the event of an vehicle incident! No more uninsured motorists!

[Soonerjeepman]

Except that any concealed carry holder could carry their their firearm on campus. High schools and colleges are targets because troubled young people are there. I don't think it has anything to do with "gun free". I don't get elementary schools.

holy $hit...wow, just wow...dude..just stop...please.

[Serenity Now]

There were people in classrooms with concealed carry licenses carrying their guns. That's a fact.

I assumed that, generally speaking, younger people (college, HS, military age) are the ones who flip out. Campuses are, therefore, a common target. I'm surprised that we've not seen more of this at shopping malls.

Turns out I was wrong. http://mic.com/articles/93824/a-new-report-reveals-a-disturbing-trend-with-mass-shootings-in-america


Of note:
2. The idea that gun-free zones encourage shooting sprees isn't backed up by the facts. - 14%
4. Shooters are getting guns when they shouldn't. - 42%
5. Mass shooters are older, on average, than most shooters in gun homicides.

What have I typed here that is worthy of a holy $hit? Maybe we just need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. That couldn't hurt, huh?