More Than 50% Of Immigrants In The US Receive Assistance From The Government

[FaninAma]

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/02/report-more-than-half-of-immigrants-on-welfare.html

More than half of the nation's immigrants receive some kind of government welfare, a figure that's far higher than the native-born population, according to a report to be released Wednesday. About 51% of immigrant-led households receive at least one kind of welfare benefit, including Medicaid, food stamps, school lunches and housing assistance, compared to 30% for native-led households, according to the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates for lower levels of immigration.

Those numbers increase for households with children, with 76% of immigrant-led households receiving welfare, compared to 52% for the native-born.


Apparently our official motto is:

"Just come to the US and let the tax payers throw another shrimp on the barbie for you!"

[Tear Down This Wall]

Article continues the myth that immigrant groups eventually become middle class. Love when they use immigrant groups who came here before the welfare system was establish and try to make the comparison to today's immigrants.

Dear dipsh*ts,
The reason immigrant groups in the early 20th century pulled themselves into the middle class is that - THEY HAD NO OTHER CHOICE! No one gave a sh*t about them, so they had to work.

Fast forward a century. Those that come here now have a program for everything. And, as far as Mexican immigrants, they are not getting better educated.

The immigrants getting worthwhile educations are the Indians, Pakistanis, Middle Easterners, Near Easterners, West Africans, Israelis, Russians, and Asians of all stripe. It's not the Mexicans.

[FaninAma]

Article continues the myth that immigrant groups eventually become middle class. Love when they use immigrant groups who came here before the welfare system was establish and try to make the comparison to today's immigrants.

Dear dipsh*ts,
The reason immigrant groups in the early 20th century pulled themselves into the middle class is that - THEY HAD NO OTHER CHOICE! No one gave a sh*t about them, so they had to work.

Fast forward a century. Those that come here now have a program for everything. And, as far as Mexican immigrants, they are not getting better educated.

The immigrants getting worthwhile educations are the Indians, Pakistanis, Middle Easterners, Near Easterners, West Africans, Israelis, Russians, and Asians of all stripe. It's not the Mexicans.

Linda Chavez, just another RINO squish. The report doesn't spin the statistics. Ms. Chavez does.

I believe Big corporate America and their sycophants in the establishment GOP are just as evil as the Democrats. The Democrats want new , entitlement-addicted voters for their party and the coporations want cheap labor subsidized by US taxpayers(current and future).

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Yep, 3rd world here we come... Get your plans for your walled compound, razorwire ready and you be responsible for your safety. Be sure to thank a Liberal or Progressive as well.

[SicEmBaylor]

Article continues the myth that immigrant groups eventually become middle class. Love when they use immigrant groups who came here before the welfare system was establish and try to make the comparison to today's immigrants.

Dear dipsh*ts,
The reason immigrant groups in the early 20th century pulled themselves into the middle class is that - THEY HAD NO OTHER CHOICE! No one gave a sh*t about them, so they had to work.

Fast forward a century. Those that come here now have a program for everything. And, as far as Mexican immigrants, they are not getting better educated.

The immigrants getting worthwhile educations are the Indians, Pakistanis, Middle Easterners, Near Easterners, West Africans, Israelis, Russians, and Asians of all stripe. It's not the Mexicans.

That's part of the reason why. The other reason why has to do with population. We were a relatively young country with an enormous amount of space and a relatively small population -- we didn't have a labor pool large enough for all of the jobs that needed to be done. That's why earlier immigration worked -- the job market was wide open and there was plenty of room within society for families to grow beyond their initial means. That's no longer the case today. For any number of reasons, most of which you mentioned, growth into the middle class is much more difficult. The labor market is not what it used to be.

What astounds me about liberals is that they always insist conservatives are holding on to old ideas and old policies and need to progress. Liberals, at least as far as immigration is concerned, are clinging to early 20th and late 19th century policies and refusing to progress!

[champions77]

If the GOP nominee will put forth a well communicated cogent message, citing an irrefutable message of statistics and data of how egregiously adverse to the welfare of our Nation illegal immigration truly is, this issue is a huge winner for the GOP.
Let's hope our nominee has the nads to do it.

[yermom]

How about a solution that is actually pragmatic and not some nonsense about mass deportation

Do you really want to trade illegals for some police state?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

How about a solution that is actually pragmatic and not some nonsense about mass deportation

Do you really want to trade illegals for some police state?illegal entry is a crime, and we expect our laws to be followed. Those include immigration. What's the real beef?

[Soonerjeepman]

not immigration but a bit on how screwed up our gov is...

My fiance works with low income families with children that have issues, mainly autism. She has a family, as bad as it seems - dad is in prison, the mom is working, "owns" her home..has a pos car, Mom WANTS to work...the gov took her WIC, and now tells her "quit working and get on gov asst and you'll have all you need"...she was seriously TOLD this.

The woman does NOT want to live off the gov but needs some help right now. That is who I would help...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

How about a solution that is actually pragmatic and not some nonsense about mass deportation

Your way works so well... :rolleyes: Just look at Europe. Hungary, Germany, France, UK all in a big mess. Police your own borders, let people in legally and sparingly...

[dwarthog]

Sounds like a Paul Krugman economic plan.

[Tear Down This Wall]

How about a solution that is actually pragmatic and not some nonsense about mass deportation

Do you really want to trade illegals for some police state?

If we enforce immigration laws already in existence, we are a police state?

[Tear Down This Wall]

If the GOP nominee will put forth a well communicated cogent message, citing an irrefutable message of statistics and data of how egregiously adverse to the welfare of our Nation illegal immigration truly is, this issue is a huge winner for the GOP.
Let's hope our nominee has the nads to do it.

That's the problem. No GOP candidate will do it...and, so...Trump.

The GOP is so eager for someone within their ranks to grow a pair that they will turn to Trump. Everyone else tiptoes around issues because they are career politicians and, therefore, unwilling to rankle to status quo. That is where this "pathway to citizenship" nonsense arises.

If you've broken the law, you've broken the law, citizen or not. Enforce the immigration laws we already have and this wouldn't be a problem.

But, we have the idiot Chamber of Commerce and businesses and individuals of all stripe enticing the Mexicans and Central Americans to come over here illegally.

The GOP base took too long to figure out that the Chamber of Commerce and many businesses were full of sh*t.

Trump is where he is because he has tapped into the resentment that millions of people feel about having their government - federal, state, and local - turn their communities over to illegal immigrants and handing them billions of our tax dollars every year in welfare benefits and the cost of prosecuting and incarcerating their criminals.

[Serenity Now]

I have no problem penalizing ANYONE for hiring an illegal. Make it a stiff penalty. I also have no problem NOT giving benefits to illegals. If we removed the incentive they'd leave.

Does that make me a Republican?

[Tear Down This Wall]

I have no problem penalizing ANYONE for hiring an illegal. Make it a stiff penalty. I also have no problem NOT giving benefits to illegals. If we removed the incentive they'd leave.

Does that make me a Republican?

No, it makes you a person who wants to immigration laws already on book to be enforced. We already have laws punishing businesses for hiring illegals, but they are rarely enforced.

Do you see police or legislators standing around 7-11 stopping work trucks from picking up the illegals standing around their waiting for work? No.

What you have is cities caving into the illegals and setting up work station to help them wait! It's f*cking crazy. There was a whole story about it in the Dallas Morning News yesterday.

[dwarthog]

I have no problem penalizing ANYONE for hiring an illegal. Make it a stiff penalty. I also have no problem NOT giving benefits to illegals. If we removed the incentive they'd leave.

Does that make me a Republican?

Only if you want to be one.

There is so little difference between the two parties around the center on issues that IMO, it doesn't make much difference. It's on the edges of both where the nuts resides that there is any tangible differences.

[Serenity Now]

Only if you want to be one.

There is so little difference between the two parties around the center on issues that IMO, it doesn't make much difference. It's on the edges of both where the nuts resides that there is any tangible differences.

I say roughly the same thing and Rush loses a gasket. Careful, the ice is thin out here.

[dwarthog]

I say roughly the same thing and Rush loses a gasket. Careful, the ice is thin out here.

Thanks. I'll now retract those statements due to the fact my keyboard was commandeered by unknown forces, probably vile liberal forces, and those words appeared instead of what I actually typed.

[REDREX]

I have no problem penalizing ANYONE for hiring an illegal. Make it a stiff penalty. I also have no problem NOT giving benefits to illegals. If we removed the incentive they'd leave.

Does that make me a Republican?----No it means you not an idiot

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If we enforce immigration laws already in existence, we are a police state?according to democrats and RINOS we are denying an act of love...and not risking civil strife.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The GOP is so eager for someone within their ranks to grow a pair that they will turn to Trump. Everyone else tiptoes around issues because they are career politicians and, therefore, unwilling to rankle to status quo. That is where this "pathway to citizenship" nonsense arises.

If you've broken the law, you've broken the law, citizen or not. Enforce the immigration laws we already have and this wouldn't be a problem.

But, we have the idiot Chamber of Commerce and businesses and individuals of all stripe enticing the Mexicans and Central Americans to come over here illegally.

The GOP base took too long to figure out that the Chamber of Commerce and many businesses were full of sh*t.

Trump is where he is because he has tapped into the resentment that millions of people feel about having their government - federal, state, and local - turn their communities over to illegal immigrants and handing them billions of our tax dollars every year in welfare benefits and the cost of prosecuting and incarcerating their criminals.excellent post!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I have no problem penalizing ANYONE for hiring an illegal. Make it a stiff penalty. I also have no problem NOT giving benefits to illegals. If we removed the incentive they'd leave.

Does that make me a Republican?Good start!. We also need to fortify the border, as was voted on long ago.

[yermom]

If we enforce immigration laws already in existence, we are a police state?

I'm just thinking of what it would take to round up the people here, or find them as they sneak in.

Start punishing employers or allow work permits and make them legitimate is what I say. If they can move freely and work at peak times and go home, we'd have less problems.

[Serenity Now]

Does the right really want to punish offenders? I don't know.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm just thinking of what it would take to round up the people here, or find them as they sneak in.

Start punishing employers or allow work permits and make them legitimate is what I say. If they can move freely and work at peak times and go home, we'd have less problems.

You can't round up all of the illegals. You have to make conditions so hostile that they self-deport. Make it impossible for them to find a job. What you can also do is deport when they're found. IOW, if a local cop somewhere pulls an illegal over then they should be detained and handed over to ICE for deportation.

You also can't build a wall that keeps them all out. Illegals are going to get into the country. But what you can do is minimize the number to such a degree that it becomes more of a nuisance than a problem. A wall covering every inch of the border -- electronic surveillance, a massive increase in border agents, and the possibility of militarizing the border (if it comes to that).

HOWEVER, one thing that I absolutely want to abolish are the inner-country checkpoints. The Supreme Court has ruled that border agents can set up permanent checkpoints (and they have all over the SW) up to 100 miles beyond the border. When going through these checkpoints you must prove you are an American citizen (or know your rights and be subjected to their bull**** for not answering their questions). This is an egregious affront to the freedom of travel and personal privacy. I'd shut down every single one of those tyrannical checkpoints.

[yermom]

I'm familiar with the checkpoints. They suck, and that's part of the "police state" thing.

"Papers please"

[Serenity Now]

I'm familiar with the checkpoints. They suck, and that's part of the "police state" thing.

"Papers please"
I laughed when I went through one. It's like we had ceded that 100 miles.

[SicEmBaylor]

I laughed when I went through one. It's like we had ceded that 100 miles.

The difference between a rational immigration policy and a jack-booted police state is, evidently, 100 miles.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I'm familiar with the checkpoints. They suck, and that's part of the "police state" thing.

"Papers please"

What's wrong with that? If you are a legal visitor, you should have your paperwork and passport with you at all times. I have to when traveling abroad. If not in order and you cannot prove your U.S. citizenship, deportation is in order.

[champions77]

I have no problem penalizing ANYONE for hiring an illegal. Make it a stiff penalty. I also have no problem NOT giving benefits to illegals. If we removed the incentive they'd leave.

Does that make me a Republican?

NO, just someone that wants to use common sense to address a problem. I have proposed the "stiff fine on employers" strategy for some time. The notion of having to round of millions of people to remove them from this country is silly. Eliminate the jobs, cut off catering to them with welfare, eliminate sanctuary cities, and you will see millions leave on their own. We do everything possible to keep them here is seems.

We have a complicit government that showers them with benefits and is reluctant to deport them when caught, employers who have no problem assisting the lawbreakers with jobs, and a poor 3rd world country right across our border with folks that are some of the hardest workers on the planet, and we wake up one day to find 11-15 MILLION of them over here? I'm surprised we don't have 100-200 million of them over here illegally. Why not?

Again, drive home the statistics incessantly on crime, cost to house prisoners, cost to education, medical costs, cost in welfare benefits, and match that up with the soon to be 20 TRILLION dollars of debt, which last year alone cost the US 434 BILLION just to service the interest costs, and the GOP has a big winner in 2016.

[olevetonahill]

What's wrong with that? If you are a legal visitor, you should have your paperwork and passport with you at all times. I have to when traveling abroad. If not in order and you cannot prove your U.S. citizenship, deportation is in order.

Yup, Ive been thru em, Never had a Problem was just stopped looked over and sent on my Merry assed way!

[Tear Down This Wall]

Does the right really want to punish offenders? I don't know.

Well, who is "the right" - businesses or GOP voters? The answer is easy, the GOP voters want the laws enforced.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Yup, Ive been thru em, Never had a Problem was just stopped looked over and sent on my Merry assed way!

First time I went through one, we were near Camp Pendleton. When the BP ask the dude driving what his nationality was, he answered "caucasian". BP bout fell out laughing :D

[TAFBSooner]

Yup, Ive been thru em, Never had a Problem was just stopped looked over and sent on my Merry assed way!

No problem here either. I just had to stifle the urge to say "si, Senor."

Or "ja, mein Herr."

I'm TF old. I remember when being a police state was a bad thing.

[TAFBSooner]

Well, who is "the right" - businesses or GOP voters? The answer is easy, the GOP voters want the laws enforced.

VERY glad to see the conservatives on here realizing the 1% don't GAS about the opinions of the rest of us.

[olevetonahill]

No problem here either. I just had to stifle the urge to say "si, Senor."

Or "ja, mein Herr."

I'm TF old. I remember when being a police state was a bad thing.

How is going thru a Checkpoint = Police State? Granted the Police do a lot of gestapo type ****, but check points aint one of em

[champions77]

VERY glad to see the conservatives on here realizing the 1% don't GAS about the opinions of the rest of us.

And neither does the Federal Government. They routinely do stupid crap that is not in the best interest of the majority of Americans, nor the Nation as a whole.

[TAFBSooner]

And neither does the Federal Government. They routinely do stupid crap that is not in the best interest of the majority of Americans, nor the Nation as a whole.

. . . because they work for the 1% and not for the rest of us.

[TAFBSooner]

How is going thru a Checkpoint = Police State? Granted the Police do a lot of gestapo type ****, but check points aint one of em

Did you have to go thru a checkpoint on the way back from Vietnam (not counting out processing from the Service)? Or in 1980? or in 1995?

[champions77]

. . . because they work for the 1% and not for the rest of us.

You need to move on from the fraudulent 1% movement. The ones that have allowed themselves to be trapped in a cultural of dependency, where crime, murder and Mayhem is the rule rather than the exception in everyday life, are much more of a problem than the 1% in this country.
You look a little closer at the 1% and you will find Business owners that employ thousands. Those thousands support communities in countless ways with their tax dollars. The fact that they have been vilified by the left is a joke. I witnessed the losers that camped in the park in NYC for several months. Can you honestly Tell me you would want any of those scumbags living next to you?

[Soonerjeepman]

You need to move on from the fraudulent 1% movement. The ones that have allowed themselves to be trapped in a cultural of dependency, where crime, murder and Mayhem is the rule rather than the exception in everyday life, are much more of a problem than the 1% in this country.
You look a little closer at the 1% and you will find Business owners that employ thousands. Those thousands support communities in countless ways with their tax dollars. The fact that they have been vilified by the left is a joke. I witnessed the losers that camped in the park in NYC for several months. Can you honestly Tell me you would want any of those scumbags living next to you?

excellent retort. I laugh at the libs who pull the 1%, just like they laugh at the 48% but last I can remember, 48 is a hell of a lot more than 1. Without the 1% not too many jobs...lol

[TAFBSooner]

You need to move on from the fraudulent 1% movement. The ones that have allowed themselves to be trapped in a cultural of dependency, where crime, murder and Mayhem is the rule rather than the exception in everyday life, are much more of a problem than the 1% in this country.
You look a little closer at the 1% and you will find Business owners that employ thousands. Those thousands support communities in countless ways with their tax dollars. The fact that they have been vilified by the left is a joke. I witnessed the losers that camped in the park in NYC for several months. Can you honestly Tell me you would want any of those scumbags living next to you?

Oops, 'scuse me. Of course I meant to say the government routinely does stupid crap that is not in the best interest of the majority of Americans, nor the Nation as a whole, because they work for the crony capitalists and not for the rest of us.

Better?

[Serenity Now]

Oops, 'scuse me. Of course I meant to say the government routinely does stupid crap that is not in the best interest of the majority of Americans, nor the Nation as a whole, because they work for the crony capitalists and not for the rest of us.

Better?
Funny quote I heard somewhere today: "the 1% has figured out how to capitalize profits and socialize losses."

[yermom]

excellent retort. I laugh at the libs who pull the 1%, just like they laugh at the 48% but last I can remember, 48 is a hell of a lot more than 1. Without the 1% not too many jobs...lol

are you back on the Romney 47% thing, or are you talking about something else?

[champions77]

Oops, 'scuse me. Of course I meant to say the government routinely does stupid crap that is not in the best interest of the majority of Americans, nor the Nation as a whole, because they work for the crony capitalists and not for the rest of us.

Better?

Crony capitalism is a problem too, and BHO has Done more of it than any President in history. Quite a gig taking campaign contributions from companies and then awarding them Millions in loans and grants with money from the U.S. treasury, much of it squandered away by company failures, Solendra comes to mind, several hundred million lost.
But don't blame it on the companies, blame on the seedy,corrupt politicians we elect and re-elect. But for them, it wouldn't be a problem.

[yermom]

Crony capitalism is a problem too, and BHO has Done more of it than any President in history. Quite a gig taking campaign contributions from companies and then awarding them Millions in loans and grants with money from the U.S. treasury, much of it squandered away by company failures, Solendra comes to mind, several hundred million lost.
But don't blame it on the companies, blame on the seedy,corrupt politicians we elect and re-elect. But for them, it wouldn't be a problem.

you mean the ones they elect?

[TAFBSooner]

Crony capitalism is a problem too, and BHO has Done more of it than any President in history. Quite a gig taking campaign contributions from companies and then awarding them Millions in loans and grants with money from the U.S. treasury, much of it squandered away by company failures, Solendra comes to mind, several hundred million lost.
But don't blame it on the companies, blame on the seedy,corrupt politicians we elect and re-elect. But for them, it wouldn't be a problem.

Do you also blame prostitution on the hookers instead of the johns?

In case it's not clear, hookers ≈ politicos, johns ≈ the "crony capitalists" that buy them.

[FaninAma]

Do you also blame prostitution on the hookers instead of the johns?

In case it's not clear, hookers ≈ politicos, johns ≈ the "crony capitalists" that buy them.

Bad analogy. Crony capitalists might be the johns but the US taxpayers are the sex slaves and the politicos are the pimps/traffickers. The taxpayers are getting screwed while the pimps and johns are getting all of the benefit. And in this system the pimps are not independent...they work for the johns.

[TAFBSooner]

Bad analogy. Crony capitalists might be the johns but the US taxpayers are the sex slaves and the politicos are the pimps/traffickers. The taxpayers are getting screwed while the pimps and johns are getting all of the benefit. And in this system the pimps are not independent...they work for the johns.

We agree the taxpayers are getting screwed. But we don't have a real choice in the transaction. The transaction is between the pols and the "crony capitalists," and for that transaction, I stand by my analogy.

But either way, I put the blame on the demand side.

[Serenity Now]

We agree the taxpayers are getting screwed. But we don't have a real choice in the transaction. The transaction is between the pols and the "crony capitalists," and for that transaction, I stand by my analogy.

But either way, I put the blame on the demand side.
My take:

Pimp = 1%
John = Politicos
Wife = taxpayers
Sex Laborer = Welfare recipients

[dwarthog]

My take:

Pimp = 1%
John = Politicos
Wife = taxpayers
Sex Laborer = Welfare recipients

You lost me there...

[Serenity Now]

You lost me there...

Kind of a stretch? Sure. Rational: I think that people getting stuff for free for a prolonged period of time erodes their desire/ability to strive to do more (sounds awful GOP of me). People making more money off of giving it away than they can make off of actual work erodes their desire/ability to get out of that spiral. It starts out as a short term thing and before it's over, they're doing things just to get their next fix that they had to get to make them be able to do their short term thing.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Kind of a stretch? Sure. Rational: I think that people getting stuff for free for a prolonged period of time erodes their desire/ability to strive to do more (sounds awful GOP of me). People making more money off of giving it away than they can make off of actual work erodes their desire/ability to get out of that spiral. It starts out as a short term thing and before it's over, they're doing things just to get their next fix that they had to get to make them be able to do their short term thing.

I think you're the biggest moran that's ever posted in this forum...and that's saying something.

[dwarthog]

Kind of a stretch? Sure. Rational: I think that people getting stuff for free for a prolonged period of time erodes their desire/ability to strive to do more (sounds awful GOP of me). People making more money off of giving it away than they can make off of actual work erodes their desire/ability to get out of that spiral. It starts out as a short term thing and before it's over, they're doing things just to get their next fix that they had to get to make them be able to do their short term thing.

I think Newton's 1st law defines this state nicely.

They have become, "at rest", and won't change until there is a sufficient force applied to move them from that "at rest" state.

[Serenity Now]

I think you're the biggest moran that's ever posted in this forum...and that's saying something.

Says the abusive guy with "Turd" in his name. You should totally tell me that smartly in the notification section of this website. That'll learn me. Be sure to use some big words!