What is Baylor's answer to this?

[papawlambert]

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Fact: Sam was dismissed from the BSU football team...and no he wasn't dismissed for depression...so stop pretending you don't know why he was dismissed

Fact: BU was informed of the rape, and did a poor job investigating it

Fact: Hospital test show sign of rape

Fact: BU reduced victims scholarship, while rapist was still getting a free ride

Fact: Victim was subject to attending school with her rapist, due to BU's poor investigation either purposefully or by ineptitude.

Fact: Rapist was attending school on football scholarship, regardless of whether he practiced or not, he would not be there if not for football.

Fact: Either Briles knew about Sams reason for dismissal or he accepted a transfer without asking for a reason and was purposefully ignorant to it. ( what coach would not want to know why a all american player was dismissed from a team?)



More Facts



Fact: Baylor sought the transfer of Mike Orakpo, after being dismissed from colorado state after driving around in an SUV and yelling obscenities at two freshman students, then stopping and beating them bloody. Also a police investigation found drugs and steroids in his apartment.



Fact: Baylor sought the transfer of Darryl Stonum after being dismissed by Michigan after 3 run ins with the law, Stonum is now facing prison time, charged with violence against his girlfriend, including an incident while in Waco. Stonum had been arrested twice for DUI before transferring to BU, he had also broken his probation.



Fact: Baylor sought the transfer of Shawn Oakman after being dismissed from Penn State, after several violation of team rules, and shoplifting, and violence against the cashier.



Fact: Tevin Elliot sexually assaulted atleast five students while at Baylor and finally was arrested and sentenced to 20 years.....Briles called Elliott a sweet young man who was a good football player and deserved a second chance.



That's at least 9 sexual assaults or assaults against women by Baylor football players since 2010....NINE



Here comes TJ to show a list of arrests per school...which by the way doesn't take into account arrests prior to transfer.





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Fact: Josh Gordon, WR – arrested by police after being found stoned and asleep in the Taco Bell drive-thru at 3:30 am on Wed night prior to game with Tech. Briles played Gordon against Tech (but held him out of warm ups and Baylor's first drive as punishment) and said he was sticking by him because he was his kind of player. Gordon eventually left the Baylor program because of his third arrest for drugs in Waco, transferred to Utah where he never played because of failing another drug test and ended up at San Diego State. However, Baylor claims Gordon as one of the players it has put in the NFL. Gordon was suspended from the Cleveland Browns for a year for failing yet another drug test.



Fact: Ahmad Dixon, DB – Dixon was represented by a street agent during his recruitment and surprisingly decommitted from Texas to sign with Baylor, the first 4-star player to sign with Baylor during their streak of winless seasons. Dixon was arrested for criminal assault last last September during the season. According to the Waco Police Department, the 21-year-old male victim arrived at an apartment where Dixon and his friends were playing video games on the night of Sept. 16. Dixon became angry and began to assault the victim, punching him numerous times in his face and head causing pain and injury and a possible concussion. The victim waited until the next day to report the assault after Dixon made threats to the victim and victim‘s family . Waco police arrested Dixon who was subsequently bonded out of McLennan County Jail. Briles continued to play Dixon during every game that season because he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games.

[Therealsouthsider]

....seems like Baylor has quite the sheriff running their little town

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[SoonerorLater]

Baylor Fans need not worry. Nothing here that a larger broom and rug can't solve.

[olevetonahill]

Sicem be here before long a foaming at the mouth to straighten out Yalls thinkin on this LOL

[KantoSooner]

Any of this surprising?

[Tear Down This Wall]

WE are pointing fingers at schools for taking dirty players?

This must be a joke. Stoops spent all of 2014's offseason and the first part of the season trying to get Mizzou's woman beater qualified. Gave a six month long "year" suspension to Mixon for breaking a girl's face.

Give me a break. Perhaps you are just jealous that Baylor is now playing the game of getting dirty players...and, now beating Stoops to them.

[Tear Down This Wall]

WE are pointing fingers at schools for taking dirty players?

This must be a joke. Stoops spent all of 2014's offseason and the first part of the season trying to get Mizzou's woman beater qualified. Gave a six month long "year" suspension to Mixon for breaking a girl's face.

Give me a break. Perhaps you are just jealous that Baylor is now playing the game of getting dirty players...and, now beating Stoops to them.

Nevermind...other media sources are already pointing out our propensity to keep and/or pursue law breakers. Seems we are near the top of the list in doing so, under Stoops:

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/texas-am-oklahoma-among-fbs-leaders-in-player-arrests-over-last-five-years.html/

http://www.islandpacket.com/2015/08/22/3891055/jimmy-burch-baylors-briles-not.html

Hmmm. The leader of the pack in pursing criminals is Washington State. A&M also in the Top 5. Of the top five schools, two have former Stoops assistants, then we come in fifth.

Great mentoring.

Boy, Kentucky and Kansas also in the Top 25...but, not getting much bang for their buck.

[KantoSooner]

Hey Tear,
Kick Rocks.
Signed,
Everyone

[Turd_Ferguson]

Hey Tear,
Kick Rocks.
Signed,
Everyone

Don't ever speak for me again.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Hey Tear,
Kick Rocks.
Signed,
Everyone

Yeah, sure. Hypocrites rarely like being caught being hypocritical.

At any rate, from August 2010 until today, we still outnumber Baylor 21-7 in player arrests. Briles is just trying to catch up as much off the field as he has on the field.

In yet another knock against Leach, his school leads the country in arrests, but it still does him no good. It doesn't matter whether criminals or law-abiding students run his high school offense, it just doesn't work out for him in the win column.

[badger]

Hypocrites rarely like being caught being hypocritical

Baylor has a new stadium to fill. Tarping the endzones just won't do for BU anymore. They cannot offer the tradition that other Big 12 programs can. They cannot offer the academics other Texas programs can. They cannot offer the pristine, top facilities and coaching that other Big 12 and Texas programs can.

So, they appear to be cutting corners to get better talent. And for awhile, it sounded like the Waco authorities was trying to help cover this up.

Now, I am not trying to be judgmental here, because I know OU is not without flaws, both historically and recently. I know we made that top 25 player arrest list that college spun or someone else did in the past week, etc etc. I was not a fan of us bringing in DGB just because we were so thin at receiver.

I also know that football players are more important to universities than other student-athletes and other students and are giving a lot more benefit of the doubt, leverage and everything else in bad situations.

However, Baylor no longer gets to be "better" than anyone else in this regard. They are just another football crazed school that does not have any lofty standards as far as character goes. Too bad, because it sure is a nice thing to fall back on when you're bad at football.

[Soonerjeepman]

WE are pointing fingers at schools for taking dirty players?

This must be a joke. Stoops spent all of 2014's offseason and the first part of the season trying to get Mizzou's woman beater qualified. Gave a six month long "year" suspension to Mixon for breaking a girl's face.

Give me a break. Perhaps you are just jealous that Baylor is now playing the game of getting dirty players...and, now beating Stoops to them.

I've always never pointed fingers...OU's past isn't squeaky clean...BUT I will say baylor acts all high and mighty...and briles won't just admit it. That's my beef with it all....if I actually GAS.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Really? We don't act all "high and mighty?"

Perhaps you missed all of our black football players marching after a bus full of frat faggots sang "n*gger" one night? These same football players who stand shoulder to shoulder with Mixon and Shannon? Stood shoulder to shoulder with DGB last year?

Our coaches and president haven't been on air talking about what good citizens our abusing/assaulting football players are now?

Give me a break. It's just football. Our peabrained fans act just as high and mighty about our accused players as any other school's peabrained fans - we just seem to have more practice at it.

We've never, in our history, volunteered to hand back any awards or wins for using players known to be on the wrong side of the law. Occasionally, the NCAA has given their "yawn" punishment of taking wins away from their official "records." Ouch. Boy, that sure hurts, NCAA. Please, please don't do it again.

If you want to root for a school with no infractions, I think there are maybe five left who have never been in much trouble - North Texas, Rice, Eastern Michigan...and a couple of others along those lines.

So, Baylor got busted with a criminal. So, what? Join the crowd. It's what major colleges do. It's that "second chance" all these coaches are willing to give because it's not their own daughters who are victims. Real stand up guys, these coaches and administrators.

[olevetonahill]

I've always never pointed fingers...OU's past isn't squeaky clean...BUT I will say baylor acts all high and mighty...and briles won't just admit it. That's my beef with it all....if I actually GAS.

Bingo.

[Tear Down This Wall]

I've always never pointed fingers...OU's past isn't squeaky clean...BUT I will say baylor acts all high and mighty...and briles won't just admit it. That's my beef with it all....if I actually GAS.

And, show me where Stoops admits he was wrong for taking on DGB. Has he ever said he was wrong for not kicking off Mixon?

Of course not. Stoops is no better morally than Briles. Both are going to do whatever it takes to protect their bank accounts - and, that means getting players, regardless of background, who will win.

For pete's sake, even Saint Tom Osborne resorted to the same type of morality near the end of his tenure with Lawrence Phillips. These coaches, they get eaten up with their sense of importance.

Joe Paterno shilled for a child molester for decades.

But, again, as I've said before - the universities were here long before any of the coaches, and they'll be here long after the coaches are gone. Their importance only goes so far as the next major arrest and embarrassment to the "brand" they all breath hot air about these days.



Buffoons.

[badger]

It might just be an outsiders reputation, or one they gained from when they really sucked and we were wondering how in the hell they got into the Big 12... 90s, early aughts, that period.

As someone who frequents opposing boards for meltdown material during football and basketball seasons, Baylor fans are as foul mouthed and hostile as the rest of the Big 12/Texas/rest of the country. The fact that they have a more high character stereotype (or maybe its just the religious affiliation of the school) makes these blasphemous message board posts and stadium trash talk comments all more funny.

But seriously, there's nothing funny about this situation. Baylor will do the right thing now, because they've been forced to by the court of public opinion.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Fair enough, Badge...but, look...how many times have you seen me on here "defending" Baylor!?!?

I just look at it with a cynical "join the club" perspective. College football fans are hypocrites. Whether it's the phony baloney "academic" arguments fans of Texas make while it produces intellectual giants like Vince Young and Ricky Williams, or the "we don't cheat or carry dirty players" angle...it's all crap.

Just hard for me to believe we'd be the one pointing fingers, that's all.

[badger]

Just hard for me to believe we'd be the one pointing fingers, that's all.

It's not so much that we're pointing fingers and saying "Tut tut tut" (because we're old farts and that's what old farts say when they point fingers). Rather, we're all sick of Baylor, from the recent football defeats to the no BCS/CFP/Juan Tru Champeen whining.

We're just all singing the lyrics to Avenue Q's Schadenfreude...

NICKY:
Ooh, how about...
Straight-A students getting Bs?

GARY COLEMAN:
Exes getting STDs!

NICKY:
Waking doormen from their naps!

GARY COLEMAN:
Watching tourists reading maps!

NICKY:
Football players getting tackled!

GARY COLEMAN:
CEOs getting shackled!

NICKY:
Watching actors never reach

GARY AND NICKY:
The ending of their oscar speech!
Schadenfreude!
Schadenfreude!
Schadenfreude!
Schadenfreude!

[SoonerMarkVA]

Sicem be here before long a foaming at the mouth to straighten out Yalls thinkin on this LOL

Yup. #justwaitonit

[Soonerjeepman]

Really? We don't act all "high and mighty?"

Perhaps you missed all of our black football players marching after a bus full of frat faggots sang "n*gger" one night? These same football players who stand shoulder to shoulder with Mixon and Shannon? Stood shoulder to shoulder with DGB last year?

Our coaches and president haven't been on air talking about what good citizens our abusing/assaulting football players are now?

Give me a break. It's just football. Our peabrained fans act just as high and mighty about our accused players as any other school's peabrained fans - we just seem to have more practice at it.

We've never, in our history, volunteered to hand back any awards or wins for using players known to be on the wrong side of the law. Occasionally, the NCAA has given their "yawn" punishment of taking wins away from their official "records." Ouch. Boy, that sure hurts, NCAA. Please, please don't do it again.

If you want to root for a school with no infractions, I think there are maybe five left who have never been in much trouble - North Texas, Rice, Eastern Michigan...and a couple of others along those lines.

So, Baylor got busted with a criminal. So, what? Join the crowd. It's what major colleges do. It's that "second chance" all these coaches are willing to give because it's not their own daughters who are victims. Real stand up guys, these coaches and administrators.

lol..dude chill....as you said it's just football.

Personally I've NEVER acted high and mighty when it came to OU and questionable players. FWIW I never thought we should have NOT taken DGB or DGB..whatever his name was. As far as Mixon, yeah that was a hard one as well....Shannon...another.

I said that about bu not because of a few fans...because the university is a religous one that I would imagine has "higher standards for student conduct" than any public one. Sic is on here making sure his dear bears are treated fairly.

I personally don't GAS about what bu does. I would prefer that OU keep a straight line. I also and very aware college football, especially at OU is a multi-million dollar business. I agree, the players got a pi$$y about the frat crap but stood by Mixon and DGB, that was a joke.

Anyways...chill man...it's football season.

[Tear Down This Wall]

lol..dude chill....as you said it's just football.

Personally I've NEVER acted high and mighty when it came to OU and questionable players. FWIW I never thought we should have NOT taken DGB or DGB..whatever his name was. As far as Mixon, yeah that was a hard one as well....Shannon...another.

I said that about bu not because of a few fans...because the university is a religous one that I would imagine has "higher standards for student conduct" than any public one. Sic is on here making sure his dear bears are treated fairly.

I personally don't GAS about what bu does. I would prefer that OU keep a straight line. I also and very aware college football, especially at OU is a multi-million dollar business. I agree, the players got a pi$$y about the frat crap but stood by Mixon and DGB, that was a joke.

Anyways...chill man...it's football season.

Sic 'Em is harmless. Give me 1,000 Sic 'Ems over the kind of beaver plankton that infest the Aggy ship.

[olevetonahill]

Sic 'Em is harmless. Give me 1,000 Sic 'Ems over the kind of beaver plankton that infest the Aggy ship.

I like pokin him till he gets his panties in a wad, Its cute when he throws his little temper fits LOL

[KantoSooner]

All you really have to do is:
1. Suggest that Thomas Jefferson was a better theorist than practical politician.
2. Remind him that, as much noise as was made about states rights, at the end of the day, the Civil War really WAS mostly about slavery.
3. Bring up the circumstances of Baylor's admission to the Big 12.

That pretty much lights the roman candle.

[olevetonahill]

All you really have to do is:
1. Suggest that Thomas Jefferson was a better theorist than practical politician.
2. Remind him that, as much noise as was made about states rights, at the end of the day, the Civil War really WAS mostly about slavery.
3. Bring up the circumstances of Baylor's admission to the Big 12.
4.Stae that Lincoln was the best President ever
That pretty much lights the roman candle.

fixed it fer ya Bro

[KantoSooner]

Gah! How could I forget?!

[FaninAma]

And, show me where Stoops admits he was wrong for taking on DGB. Has he ever said he was wrong for not kicking off Mixon?

Of course not. Stoops is no better morally than Briles. Both are going to do whatever it takes to protect their bank accounts - and, that means getting players, regardless of background, who will win.

For pete's sake, even Saint Tom Osborne resorted to the same type of morality near the end of his tenure with Lawrence Phillips. These coaches, they get eaten up with their sense of importance.

Joe Paterno shilled for a child molester for decades.

But, again, as I've said before - the universities were here long before any of the coaches, and they'll be here long after the coaches are gone. Their importance only goes so far as the next major arrest and embarrassment to the "brand" they all breath hot air about these days.



Buffoons.

Please don't forget to hand out some credit for OU's reputation in this area to Boren. Stoops doesn't take a dump without Boren's permission.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Please don't forget to hand out some credit for OU's reputation in this area to Boren. Stoops doesn't take a dump without Boren's permission.

Oh, believe me, Boren won't be forgotten. In fact, I think the faculty and regents will hold him more responsible if the video ever comes out. He purports to be such a crusader for women and minorities.

Once everyone sees that Mixon's incident was on par with Ray Rice's, the sh*t will for sure hit the fan for Boren, and worse than for Stoops...who will simply be discounted as another dumb football coach who cares more about winning to keep his multimillioin dollar contract intact.

What is most disappointing about Boren, Castiglione, and Stoops is that they all have daughters, watched the video, then did nothing except give Mixon a redshirt year.

Real tough punishment.

[BoulderSooner79]

Oh, believe me, Boren won't be forgotten. In fact, I think the faculty and regents will hold him more responsible if the video ever comes out. He purports to be such a crusader for women and minorities.

Once everyone sees that Mixon's incident was on par with Ray Rice's, the sh*t will for sure hit the fan for Boren, and worse than for Stoops...who will simply be discounted as another dumb football coach who cares more about winning to keep his multimillioin dollar contract intact.

What is most disappointing about Boren, Castiglione, and Stoops is that they all have daughters, watched the video, then did nothing except give Mixon a redshirt year.

Real tough punishment.

I think you over estimate the average fan. I know LT is on the raw side, but it must have like 1000x more posters/readers than this site. The general theme there was that Boren is the debil for punishing Mixon any tougher than missing the first half of the first cupcake game last year. And he is also the one that personally crucified Shannon and must have forced every member of the title IX committee to implement his evil purpose. But on the flip side, it's proven that fans (or just the public in general) can be very fickle. We all know what the Mixon video will look like. We even have graphic reports from the media people that saw it. But if there is anything the Rice video proved is that knowing and seeing are 2 different things, so I guess the wind could shift on Boren if the video ever comes out.

[Tear Down This Wall]

I think you over estimate the average fan. I know LT is on the raw side, but it must have like 1000x more posters/readers than this site. The general theme there was that Boren is the debil for punishing Mixon any tougher than missing the first half of the first cupcake game last year. And he is also the one that personally crucified Shannon and must have forced every member of the title IX committee to implement his evil purpose. But on the flip side, it's proven that fans (or just the public in general) can be very fickle. We all know what the Mixon video will look like. We even have graphic reports from the media people that saw it. But if there is anything the Rice video proved is that knowing and seeing are 2 different things, so I guess the wind could shift on Boren if the video ever comes out.

If and when the video comes out, it will be more like a hurricane than a wind. Each incident that occurs around the country brings more indignation about the universities and their athletic departments letting this kind of stuff occur, then either trying to cover it up or excuse it.

That's why it would have been better to have let it come out last year, dealt with it, and got it behind. As it stands now, if it comes out, it will be a nightmare because Boren, Stoops, and all will be accused of covering it up because they know how violent it is. Because it was not dealt with fully last year, it will always be a threat to come out.

It's not good either way. Leadership by gamble.

[BoulderSooner79]

If and when the video comes out, it will be more like a hurricane than a wind. Each incident that occurs around the country brings more indignation about the universities and their athletic departments letting this kind of stuff occur, then either trying to cover it up or excuse it.

That's why it would have been better to have let it come out last year, dealt with it, and got it behind. As it stands now, if it comes out, it will be a nightmare because Boren, Stoops, and all will be accused of covering it up because they know how violent it is. Because it was not dealt with fully last year, it will always be a threat to come out.

It's not good either way. Leadership by gamble.

You could be right, but you must admit it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for Boren. But I guess that comes with the big title and pay check.

[Tear Down This Wall]

You could be right, but you must admit it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for Boren. But I guess that comes with the big title and pay check.

How would he have been damned for doing the right thing? FSU wasn't damned when the cut loose De'Andre Johnson. They were damned for hanging on to Jameis Winston.

He gambled. And, unfortunately, the climate for this type of thing hasn't gotten better, it's gotten worse. It'll be bad for Boren if it gets out.

[BoulderSooner79]

How would he have been damned for doing the right thing? FSU wasn't damned when the cut loose De'Andre Johnson. They were damned for hanging on to Jameis Winston.

He gambled. And, unfortunately, the climate for this type of thing hasn't gotten better, it's gotten worse. It'll be bad for Boren if it gets out.

I'm talking about the fan base. Many on LT were ready to get the pitch forks and light the torches for Boren because he imposed any punishment on Mixon. They would have gone ballistic had he been kicked off the team and I'm sure Boren would have felt real pressure from it - not just venting on message boards. Same thing would have happened at FSU had they cut Winston loose (not clear De'Andre Johnson would have ever been a starter, so not the situation with the fans). I agree had Boren cut Mixon loose, it would have blown over by now. EDIT - to be clear, I'm just saying that your definition of "the right thing" in this case is not universally shared. If you just include OU football fans, you're probably in the minority.

[OU_Sooners75]

WE are pointing fingers at schools for taking dirty players?

This must be a joke. Stoops spent all of 2014's offseason and the first part of the season trying to get Mizzou's woman beater qualified. Gave a six month long "year" suspension to Mixon for breaking a girl's face.

Give me a break. Perhaps you are just jealous that Baylor is now playing the game of getting dirty players...and, now beating Stoops to them.

Wanna compare lists of violent people at OU and at baylor?

Seriously, since Briles showed up at Baylor, Baylor has had the dirtiest program. Not to mention the $$$ bags being passed around in Waco for all major sports.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Wanna compare lists of violent people at OU and at baylor?

Seriously, since Briles showed up at Baylor, Baylor has had the dirtiest program. Not to mention the $$$ bags being passed around in Waco for all major sports.

Where do you want to start? Jerry Parks? Nigel Clay, Bernard Hall, Glenn Bell? Bennie Butler whipping Demond Parker's ***? Dusty Dvoracek beating a friend, or being accused of sexual assault and getting into a fight at a night club in Addison?

It's up to you. I've covered the 80s, 90s, 00s. DGB, Shannon, and Mixon ring in for the 10s. I'd like to see Baylor try to match our four decade record of violent players.

Here's Dvoracek after his 2010 arrest for public intoxication and being involved in yet another bar fight...years after the courtesy rehab Stoops gave him after the three incidents as a player. Don't know whether Dusty had begun his stint as sideline reporter yet. Not sure how many arrests it would take for OU to fire him from that gig. Anyone have any idea?

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[Therealsouthsider]

....."It's up to you. I've covered the 80s, 90s, 00s. DGB, Shannon, and Mixon ring in for the 10s. I'd like to see Baylor try to match our four decade record of violent players." tdtw

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nuENq9AmeSckENpssVafBXZU6N28osZSe4K3nrN-ps/mobilebasic?pli=1

....after some interesting searches online for criminal college athletes, I was amazed at how pervasive the issue is throughout the country and touching virtually every program, every type of crime and every era....It was obvious from the start that given the volumes of articles, I would be unable and unwilling to commit the time necessary to read the laundry list of rap sheets and infractions of each and every character involved unless I was doing thesis work.....the variables were the complicity of individual head coaches and or coaching staffs of each school and to the length and degree each was willing to risk for the opportunity to win

....the much ballyhooed Charles Thompson SI cover was not so much an indictment against OU as it was an easy target....convenient....the Sooner plight was not the anomaly it was portrayed but a snapshot of college campuses across the country and highlighted a sports culture fans rarely knew existed....Switzer and the Sooners would sell magazines

.....to my knowledge, Joe Mixon did not enter the Sooner program with a history or checkered past, nor toting the criminal baggage many of these transfers from program to program that he is often compared to do....a year long ban from the football program is not a '6 mo sentence'
......DGB operated and adhered to the parameters and restrictions required by the administration and football program to be a part of a team and to afford him the opportunity to correct the path and direction of his life
.......Frank Shannon in turn was afforded and has so far, successfully taken the opportunity to turn the page and begin a brighter chapter in his life

.....although Pat Jones likes to publicly mock and indict coaches with the sinister side of an agenda of ill-gotten success and gain by ridiculing 'Father Flannigan' tendencies, there are coaches out there who are sincere, because you cannot be a coach at any level without the hope of affecting growth and success in individuals...but many pay the price with their careers because of the failures of theses individuals and those who take advantage of their benefactors and opportunity


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[VegasSooner]

Please don't forget to hand out some credit for OU's reputation in this area to Boren. Stoops doesn't take a dump without Boren's permission.

Boren is a toad. I am a former member of the Pride of Oklahoma, and I was directly involved in the recent effort to remove the unqualified band director who Boren, Weitzenhoffer and Co. had violated university regulations and ignored their own list of employment qualifications in order to hire. Boren lied his tail off to the media when he said that the current director was brought in during homecoming as a prelude to his being hired. The fact of the matter was that an all-out alumni boycott of the Alumni Band for the Homecoming game was well under way, and he asked Brian Britt to come in to try to soften our stance. He also knew about, and endorsed, the gag order imposed on Pride members in the Code of Conduct that they all had to sign when joining. He also threatened them with expulsion from the university if they dared to say anything negative about the director or the band program. Boren acting aghast at the gag order was just that - acting.

The man needs to go, sooner rather than later.