The only difference is the video was or wasn't released.

[Mazeppa]

Of the two incidents between Mixon and Johnson there were no differences other than the videos release, no other differences what so ever, case closed.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25237903/inside-college-sports-video-sacks-fsu-qb-but-oklahomas-joe-mixon-plays-on

[yermom]

well, who knows if he'll be back on the team next year...

[KantoSooner]

Perhaps. But Mixon was subjected to a full legal review followed by a full administrative review. The latter resulted in not insignificant punishment.
Further, the angelic princess victimized by our brutish Othello has, for her part remained dead silent since. One wonders whither went her several outstanding criminal 'disagreements' with law enforcement, state and local. And one wonders, presuming the hermeticity of her case why no civil suit has been filed; or, indeed, why her legal beagles have requested their very own copy of the damning tape.
So much mystery in such an obvious case.

[KantoSooner]

"...have NOT requested..."
Sorry

[Harris County Sooner]

It looks like she took a swing at Johnson first. Not a justification but a mitigation.

[yermom]

Perhaps. But Mixon was subjected to a full legal review followed by a full administrative review. The latter resulted in not insignificant punishment.
Further, the angelic princess victimized by our brutish Othello has, for her part remained dead silent since. One wonders whither went her several outstanding criminal 'disagreements' with law enforcement, state and local. And one wonders, presuming the hermeticity of her case why no civil suit has been filed; or, indeed, why her legal beagles have requested their very own copy of the damning tape.
So much mystery in such an obvious case.

I'm not defending or comparing so much the offense, but the response may not be that different. How was Mixon's initially worded?

Honestly, I don't care much who they are punching. They shouldn't be punching anyone. A 130lb male student would have been just as defenseless against your average 5 star RB and they should understand that as athletes IMO

[KantoSooner]

You're of course correct. When it happens, however, you have to do something in response. People differ as to what's appropriate.

[olevetonahill]

You're of course correct. When it happens, however, you have to do something in response. People differ as to what's appropriate.

How dare an 18 to 22 year old Have a testosterone fueled rage.
We should make every D1 player take Zoloft daily and then tell them Football is changin to Flag ball and carry flowers in their helmet

[yermom]

at what age are you responsible for your own actions? 30?

[KantoSooner]

He didn't commit premeditated murder. Therefore, death is too much. So, you then start backing the penalty down on the basis of mitigating factors. Ends up a judgment call.

[olevetonahill]

at what age are you responsible for your own actions? 30?

I didnt say To not hold em responsible Im saying its kinda stupid to think an 18 yr old Who has the testosterone and adrenalin pumping AINT gonna be thinking straight!

[SoonerForLife92]

How dare an 18 to 22 year old Have a testosterone fueled rage.
We should make every D1 player take Zoloft daily and then tell them Football is changin to Flag ball and carry flowers in their helmet

Or change it to sarcastaball

[Sooner in Tampa]

It seems to me that a year "away" from the team is being held responsible...no?

[badger]

There's another difference between the two as well --- Florida State was becoming notorious for protecting football players, seemingly with the cooperation of local law enforcement.

It took Heisman Jameis standing in broad daylight around fellow FSU students active on twitter yelling "F---- her in the p----" for FSU to discipline their beloved football hero.

If this was the 80s and SI just did a cover on OU getting away with terrorizing campus or whatever the hell the headline was, then the situations would be the same, aside from one video being public and the other video not being released. In this case, Norman law enforcement and OU get a bit of benefit of the doubt here.

However, if Mixon's video were released publicly, the punishments would have likely been the same: Kicked off the team permanently.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Of the two incidents between Mixon and Johnson there were no differences other than the videos release, no other differences what so ever, case closed.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25237903/inside-college-sports-video-sacks-fsu-qb-but-oklahomas-joe-mixon-plays-on

There is a difference - Mixon knocked the girl out; Johnson didn't. That's why Mixon's video is more like Ray Rice's than DeAndre Johnson's. Having seen all three, Mixon's is easily the worst of them.

[olevetonahill]

There is a difference - Mixon knocked the girl out; Johnson didn't. That's why Mixon's video is more like Ray Rice's than DeAndre Johnson's. Having seen all three, Mixon's is easily the worst of them.

You keep saying you've seen the Mixon Vid. Share a Link, Or are you a secret member of the Media also?

[Curly Bill]

You keep saying you've seen the Mixon Vid. Share a Link, Or are you a secret member of the Media also?

He seems to be proud of having seen all the black guys punching chicks videos. Maybe there's a black market for that kind of thing?

[graphster]

I don't know what the right solution is for these situations. I do agree that the violence is inexcusable and should not go unpunished or be condoned in any way. Regardless of the situation, it is never OK to hit somebody else, particularly when there is such a size/strength disparity. And I don't buy the fact that this is just testosterone and adrenaline. There are literally millions of college students who manage to go through their entire undergraduate education without physically assaulting anybody. And if there really is something inherent about football or sports that makes these guys more violent, then that's a major problem that needs to be addressed, or we should just end the sport entirely. It is not alright for athletes to physically assault people.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what the appropriate punishment is. I don't think it's fair to say that if a person makes a mistake like this that their entire life should be over and they should never be able to 1) complete their education and 2) have the opportunity to earn a living as a professional athlete. If the person has served a suspension and dealt with other appropriate penalties from the University and/or the legal system, then at some point they should be able to move on with their lives and potentially develop into a contributing member of society and their community. I'm not sure what is accomplished by taking away those opportunities, if a person is willing to reform themselves and has served out a reasonable penalty.

If it's a repeat problem, or if it's an extreme case where the victim is disabled for life or something, then that's probably different. But otherwise, I generally think people deserve a second chance, whether they are an athlete or not.

[olevetonahill]

I don't know what the right solution is for these situations. I do agree that the violence is inexcusable and should not go unpunished or be condoned in any way. Regardless of the situation, it is never OK to hit somebody else, particularly when there is such a size/strength disparity.
And I don't buy the fact that this is just testosterone and adrenaline. There are literally millions of college students who manage to go through their entire undergraduate education without physically assaulting anybody. And if there really is something inherent about football or sports that makes these guys more violent, then that's a major problem that needs to be addressed, or we should just end the sport entirely. It is not alright for athletes to physically assault people.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what the appropriate punishment is. I don't think it's fair to say that if a person makes a mistake like this that their entire life should be over and they should never be able to 1) complete their education and 2) have the opportunity to earn a living as a professional athlete. If the person has served a suspension and dealt with other appropriate penalties from the University and/or the legal system, then at some point they should be able to move on with their lives and potentially develop into a contributing member of society and their community. I'm not sure what is accomplished by taking away those opportunities, if a person is willing to reform themselves and has served out a reasonable penalty.

If it's a repeat problem, or if it's an extreme case where the victim is disabled for life or something, then that's probably different. But otherwise, I generally think people deserve a second chance, whether they are an athlete or not.

Dont much care what YOU buy. I never said that was the entire cause . Simply stated these guys operate at a High degree and Level of Testosterone and Adrenalin, Much higher levels than say your band geek of tiddly winks players. That being said It is a Strong contributing factor.Mix in a possibility of some alcoholic spirits and its an explosion waiting to happen.

[Widescreen]

He seems to be proud of having seen all the black guys punching chicks videos.
Fetish?

[Curly Bill]

Fetish?

I'm suggesting it as a possibility?!?!

[Eielson]

Fetish?

In just about every Mixon thread, we've all come to the same conclusion.

(BTW, watch out for FaninAma)

[Mazeppa]

There is a difference - Mixon knocked the girl out; Johnson didn't. That's why Mixon's video is more like Ray Rice's than DeAndre Johnson's. Having seen all three, Mixon's is easily the worst of them.

"SARCASM"

Maybe Mixon just got in a cleaner shot.

[olevetonahill]

"SARCASM"

Maybe Mixon just got in a cleaner shot.

He keeps saying HE"S seen the Mixon Vid. When asked When? Where? he disappears for awhile.

[Soonerjeepman]

I don't know what the right solution is for these situations. I do agree that the violence is inexcusable and should not go unpunished or be condoned in any way. Regardless of the situation, it is never OK to hit somebody else, particularly when there is such a size/strength disparity. And I don't buy the fact that this is just testosterone and adrenaline. There are literally millions of college students who manage to go through their entire undergraduate education without physically assaulting anybody. And if there really is something inherent about football or sports that makes these guys more violent, then that's a major problem that needs to be addressed, or we should just end the sport entirely. It is not alright for athletes to physically assault people.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what the appropriate punishment is. I don't think it's fair to say that if a person makes a mistake like this that their entire life should be over and they should never be able to 1) complete their education and 2) have the opportunity to earn a living as a professional athlete. If the person has served a suspension and dealt with other appropriate penalties from the University and/or the legal system, then at some point they should be able to move on with their lives and potentially develop into a contributing member of society and their community. I'm not sure what is accomplished by taking away those opportunities, if a person is willing to reform themselves and has served out a reasonable penalty.

If it's a repeat problem, or if it's an extreme case where the victim is disabled for life or something, then that's probably different. But otherwise, I generally think people deserve a second chance, whether they are an athlete or not.

bull crap...if someone is attacking me I have a LEGAL right to defend myself...

[Eielson]

With as drunk as Mixon's attacker sounds, she probably would have passed out had he completely whiffed.

[graphster]

bull crap...if someone is attacking me I have a LEGAL right to defend myself...

If you are a D1 Athlete and are being "attacked" by an unarmed college female, and you have to resort to aggressive physical violence to deal with the situation, then there are a whole host of decision-making and conflict resolution skills that need to be addressed. There are tons of options to deal with that scenario that allow you to defend yourself but don't involve throwing a closed fist punch that knocks the other person to the ground.

[olevetonahill]

If you are a D1 Athlete and are being "attacked" by an unarmed college female, and you have to resort to aggressive physical violence to deal with the situation, then there are a whole host of decision-making and conflict resolution skills that need to be addressed.

Are you really this moronic?

[graphster]

Are you really this moronic?

LOL. You are the one arguing that college athletes are just too hyped up on testosterone and adrenaline (roid rage?) to keep from physically assaulting people.

[Curly Bill]

If you are a D1 Athlete and are being "attacked" by an unarmed college female, and you have to resort to aggressive physical violence to deal with the situation, then there are a whole host of decision-making and conflict resolution skills that need to be addressed. There are tons of options to deal with that scenario that allow you to defend yourself but don't involve throwing a closed fist punch that knocks the other person to the ground.

I suspect you're the type that would let someone beat your a** and you'd just take it and like it!

[olevetonahill]

LOL. You are the one arguing that college athletes are just too hyped up on testosterone and adrenaline (roid rage?) to keep from physically assaulting people.

No Dude I said it was a contributing factor.You keep calling him a College D-1 Athlete But seem to not recall he was celebrating his 18th B-day. Oh and dont use words like Roid rage and try to insinuate I said them . If you cant tell the Dif. between a High octane thoroughbred and a Shetland circus pony I feel for you,

[Curly Bill]

Are you really this moronic?

He doesn't like aggressive physical violence.

Those must be the hot-button words they learned in his support group.

[olevetonahill]

I suspect you're the type that would let someone beat your a** and you'd just take it and like it!

I have a feeling this person is a tiddly winks player or a towel boy somewhere

[Curly Bill]

I have a feeling this person is a tiddly winks player or a towel boy somewhere

It's that obvious isn't it?

[olevetonahill]

It's that obvious isn't it?

Yup.

[Curly Bill]

Maybe we can have him over for tea and cookies and work on our conflict resolution skills?

[Tear Down This Wall]

If you are a D1 Athlete and are being "attacked" by an unarmed college female, and you have to resort to aggressive physical violence to deal with the situation, then there are a whole host of decision-making and conflict resolution skills that need to be addressed. There are tons of options to deal with that scenario that allow you to defend yourself but don't involve throwing a closed fist punch that knocks the other person to the ground.

Yes. And, he's supposedly getting that help in decision-making and conflict resolution. His decision was wrong all the way around. And, when you throw in that his attorney claims he was sober, you understand that he needed to learn how to deal with those situations even moreso.

[Tear Down This Wall]

You keep saying you've seen the Mixon Vid. Share a Link, Or are you a secret member of the Media also?

A link to it was posted on landthieves last August, then taken down after about three hours. That's where many non-media people saw it. If you are 100% married and faithful to soonerfans.com, you missed it.

[EatLeadCommie]

Fact: Not all people react the same way when instigated and punched/slapped/pushed. We can sit up here on our high horses and say we must only react in this manner because we are civilized and like our wine and cheese, but unless it happens to you, you never know. I was brought up to never hit a girl and never have. But I've also never had one get physical with me (fighting physical, not sexy time physical) so I can't say for sure what I'd do. I'm pretty level headed and am pretty sure I'd stay cool, but the face is like a trigger for some and the defense mechanism light comes on as a reflex. I think that in both Mixon's case and the FSU kid's case that neither guy ends up hitting a girl if she didn't initiate the physical contact. That is not an unimportant detail.

[olevetonahill]

A link to it was posted on landthieves last August, then taken down after about three hours. That's where many non-media people saw it. If you are 100% married and faithful to soonerfans.com, you missed it.

You just get more pathetic IMHO . You should know Im not the most loved person around here nor do I GAF. LT? Hardly ever venture there tho.

If that Vid was Up , was it Verified? Who posted it? And as smart as they all think they are why isnt there a Million copys circulating?

[Tear Down This Wall]

You just get more pathetic IMHO . You should know Im not the most loved person around here nor do I GAF. LT? Hardly ever venture there tho.

If that Vid was Up , was it Verified? Who posted it? And as smart as they all think they are why isnt there a Million copys circulating?

It doesn't matter what your reputation is to me, or which sites you visit. It was posted at landthieves, then taken down. When the video comes out again, you will also see it.

Then, you can continue to defend Mixon, if you choose. I've seen the video and choose not to defend him. And, knowing that Stoops, Boren, and Castiglione have seen it and allowed him to stay at OU, I implicate them in any negativity that comes to the program because of the incident. They have chosen to ignore the brutality of the incident in exchange for Mixon's continued service to the program.

[Mazeppa]

I'm sure they are really worried that you will "implicate them".

[Since71ASooner4Life]

Whereas I don't advocate physical assault of another person period, I'm actually not taken aback so much by the De'Andre Johnson video I just watched. It wasn't clear from the video if they where in the bar as part of the same group of people. It appeared they were both wedging their way up to the front of the bar at the same time, and the entire time she was initiating physical contact in a way to make sure that she got her place first while trying to nudge him to the side. She looked to be getting belligerent and threatening well before throwing a punch at his face. His response looked spontaneous and more of a "statement" in reaction to being swung on by her, then a guy digging in to do real damage. And the fact that she didn't go down suggests the contact wasn't all that hard. Nevertheless a punch being thrown was probably excessive, but I think an open handed smack across the mouth wouldn't have been so wrong.

[olevetonahill]

I'm sure they are really worried that you will "implicate them".

Heh, Just saw this, would spek you if I could, LOL

[KantoSooner]

Maxine Waters sends her congradumalations.

[olevetonahill]

It doesn't matter what your reputation is to me, or which sites you visit. It was posted at landthieves, then taken down. When the video comes out again, you will also see it.

Then, you can continue to defend Mixon, if you choose. I've seen the video and choose not to defend him. And, knowing that Stoops, Boren, and Castiglione have seen it and allowed him to stay at OU, I implicate them in any negativity that comes to the program because of the incident. They have chosen to ignore the brutality of the incident in exchange for Mixon's continued service to the program.

Ive never defended him, Said he ort not have done it, Yet in his place and If i was 18 I might have done the same thing
You say Mixon should have been kicked off the team Permanently.
Thats the Kind of forgiving attitude you have. Also why i ridiculed your statement that you were "TRYING" to help your "WIFES" nephew.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Light up the Volunteers, Joe!!!

[Mazeppa]

Heh, Just saw this, would spek you if I could, LOL

No please don't spek me, I'll be good from now on. Ha!

[Therealsouthsider]

....this happened a year ago

....as far as videos are concerned, I recall watching the Vietnam war on the nightly news....this was an unfortunate incident not an atrocity....move on

ss

[olevetonahill]

....this happened a year ago

....as far as videos are concerned,
I recall watching the Vietnam war on the nightly news....this was an unfortunate incident not an atrocity....move on

ss
Heh I remember watching it in person.

[Therealsouthsider]

Heh I remember watching it in person.


....so that was you? you looked different in black and white

ss

[olevetonahill]

....so that was you? you looked different in black and white

ss

I waved at ya and shouted Boomer, !

[Mazeppa]

Heh I remember watching it in person.

I had a neighbor when I was younger who watched in person too. He never came home from there.