Why I still talk about W

[TAFBSooner]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/10/politics/jeb-bush-immigration-scott-walker-election-2016/

"Yes, I mean, so just for the news flash to the world, if they're trying to find places where there's big space between me and my brother, this might not be one of those."

[Turd_Ferguson]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/10/politics/jeb-bush-immigration-scott-walker-election-2016/

"Yes, I mean, so just for the news flash to the world, if they're trying to find places where there's big space between me and my brother, this might not be one of those."

I know of no R in my circle that would even think about voting for Boosh3...man it sure seems like the MSM is pushing him like he's a real threat though...wonder why?

[TAFBSooner]

I know of no R in my circle that would even think about voting for Boosh3...man it sure seems like the MSM is pushing him like he's a real threat though...wonder why?

The money people, sorry, the GOP establishment, like him.

Lotta people gonna sit home in November 2016, on both teams.

[FaninAma]

I know of no R in my circle that would even think about voting for Boosh3...man it sure seems like the MSM is pushing him like he's a real threat though...wonder why?

How many of the progressives would say the same thing about hillary if she is indeed the Democratic nominee for POTUS?

I will not vote for Jeb. I will not vote for Christie. I will not vote for Graham.

I will not vote for them Sam I Am.

I will not vote for them on a train. I will not vote for them in a plane.

I will not vote for them here or there.

I will not vote for them anywhere.

[rock on sooner]

The money people, sorry, the GOP establishment, like him.

Lotta people gonna sit home in November 2016, on both teams.

Jeb will soak up lion's share of big Pub donors, if he hasn't already. Rubio,
Cruz, Paul and Walker will raise money, too, but mostly from smaller donors.
The Koch brothers have both said they will "wait and see" but my guess is that
they'll fall in with the top two or three and then finally on a solid frontrunner
when it starts getting much closer. The biggest issue at this point, imo, is the
field is getting more crowded by the day. The Dems, on the other hand, will
have at most four, mostly to give Hillary someone to debate to help sharpen
her message.

The Pubs, again, imo, need to figure out how to win over more women and
Latinos. If they don't get at least one of those two, it will be a long, dark
trip......

[TAFBSooner]

. . . The Dems, on the other hand, will
have at most four, mostly to give Hillary someone to debate to help sharpen
her message.

Hillary would much prefer not to have such help. She wants to be able to tack center in the general, so would rather not to have to fight Sanders and whoever for the base's votes. IOW, candidates of either party need different messages in the primary and the general. Actually, Dems need three messages, one for the money race, plus the two for the elections. For example, watch Hillary dance around TPP.


The Pubs, again, imo, need to figure out how to win over more women and
Latinos. If they don't get at least one of those two, it will be a long, dark
trip......

They are doing such a bang-up job of that so far. <eyeroll>

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

How many of the progressives would say the same thing about hillary if she is indeed the Democratic nominee for POTUS?

I will not vote for Jeb. I will not vote for Christie. I will not vote for Graham.

I will not vote for them Sam I Am.

I will not vote for them on a train. I will not vote for them in a plane.

I will not vote for them here or there.

I will not vote for them anywhere.If you're OK with that half vote for Hillry or Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, then you be shameless.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Jeb will soak up lion's share of big Pub donors, if he hasn't already. Rubio,
Cruz, Paul and Walker will raise money, too, but mostly from smaller donors.
The Koch brothers have both said they will "wait and see" but my guess is that
they'll fall in with the top two or three and then finally on a solid frontrunner
when it starts getting much closer. The biggest issue at this point, imo, is the
field is getting more crowded by the day. The Dems, on the other hand, will
have at most four, mostly to give Hillary someone to debate to help sharpen
her message.

The Pubs, again, imo, need to figure out how to win over more women and
Latinos. If they don't get at least one of those two, it will be a long, dark
trip......You're a a special kind of fool if you have lived as long as you have and still vote for democrats.

[badger]

As much as some may complain about certain people continuing to blame Bush despite him leaving office in 2008 (technically 2009)... can you imagine how long people, even in jest, are going to remark "Thanks, Obama!"

Over/under 25 years.

[okie52]

If you're OK with that half vote for Hillry or Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, then you be shameless.

Easy now Rush...

If the lesser of 2 evils means I have to vote for someone like jeb, christie or graham over a hillary or sanders then I will "proudly" not vote in the presidential election. I've voted for the lesser of 2 evils for a long time and all the pubs keep throwing out there is a POS. Maybe someday when the pub elitists/establishment realizes that the "base" won't support these POS they might actually put out a candidate that would be worth voting for.

[rock on sooner]

Easy now Rush...

If the lesser of 2 evils means I have to vote for someone like jeb, christie or graham over a hillary or sanders then I will "proudly" not vote in the presidential election. I've voted for the lesser of 2 evils for a long time and all the pubs keep throwing out there is a POS. Maybe someday when the pub elitists/establishment realizes that the "base" won't support these POS they might actually put out a candidate that would be worth voting for.

While I understand where you are coming from, I humbly suggest a write-in
or third party vote would better express your displeasure with your party, that
and the next time they contact you for a donation, "just say no"......

[rock on sooner]

You're a a special kind of fool if you have lived as long as you have and still vote for democrats.

I can recall at least three votes for Pubs since I moved to IA (23 years), two of which
I regret. Since I'm so-o-o-o old, there may be more but, ya know, those senior moments!:devilish:

[okie52]

While I understand where you are coming from, I humbly suggest a write-in
or third party vote would better express your displeasure with your party, that
and the next time they contact you for a donation, "just say no"......

I'm not sure OK has the write in choice but if it does I will gladly use it if no viable 3rd party candidate is available on the ballot.

I don't contribute to the pub party. I do occasionally donate to an individual candidate.

[champions77]

I will vote for Jeb if he is the nominee, just because I believe he does have some degree of scruples and integrity, unlike Hillary. Don't know that Jeb can win though. I understand the protest "no vote" though. I don't know what signal that sends, since they continue to get behind moderate candidates for each election.

How many moderate Repubs have to LOSE in Presidential elections before the GOP establishment figures out that the nucleus of the Party, are still conservatives, only because they have no other place to go?

I don't see the base "energized" when you look at Jeb's Immigration policy. As Governor he supported In-State tuition for Illegals. Thought it would only be 'fair". Did it ever dawn on him that in doing so, he prioritized Illegals ahead of Legal immigrants, or any other out of state student wanting to attend a Florida state supported institution? How grossly unfair is that? Illegals crowding schools. Is that fair to legal residents? Illegals crowding hospitals and clinics, making those Legally here wait in long lines. How fair is that? We see overcrowding of prisons and jails, forcing the financial burden to build more prison and the hiring of more guards onto the tax payers? Is that fair?

When politicians like Jeb adopt policies that are contrary to our laws, that makes him as culpable for this mess, as those who come here knowing they are breaking our laws, or more so.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Easy now Rush...

If the lesser of 2 evils means I have to vote for someone like jeb, christie or graham over a hillary or sanders then I will "proudly" not vote in the presidential election. I've voted for the lesser of 2 evils for a long time and all the pubs keep throwing out there is a POS. Maybe someday when the pub elitists/establishment realizes that the "base" won't support these POS they might actually put out a candidate that would be worth voting for.You are a sucker to not vote for the lesser problem. We have been saddled with massively damaging democrats controlling government far too often, partially because you and others engage in "I'll show those bastages" behavior by not voting, or voting 3rd party.(or, heaven forbid, actually voting for the democrat)

No secret that a lot of libs vote in the R primary, in order to saddle the R's with a candidate that is not as conservative as most Americans want. Their strategy has worked far too often, and we are now suffering under 2 terms of absolute assault on America, an assault as serious or more so than what we've had under LBJ, Carter, FDR and Wilson.

[okie52]

If jeb is stupid enough to believe that granting citizenship to millions of illegals that are low income, low tax revenue generating, low upward mobility, low skilled, and poorly educated won't be an enormous burden to the taxpayers then I want nothing to do with him or any other buffoon that follows that line of thinking. Hell jeb has even stated that he likes the illegals high birthrates to help SS in the short term while ignoring the disastrous consequences it would have for SS in the long term. A Ponzi schemer of the highest magnitude.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Yeah, I agree, but the demoocrat will be bad on that and every effing other issue that there is. No point in giving in to total defeat.

[okie52]

You are a sucker to not vote for the lesser problem. We have been saddled with massively damaging democrats controlling government far too often, partially because you and others engage in "I'll show those bastages" behavior by not voting, or voting 3rd party.(or, heaven forbid, actually voting for the democrat)

No secret that a lot of libs vote in the R primary, in order to saddle the R's with a candidate that is not as conservative as most Americans want. Their strategy has worked far too often, and we are now suffering under 2 terms of absolute assault on America, an assault as serious or more so than what we've had under LBJ, Carter, FDR and Wilson.

So when you vote for jeb just think about the millions of illegals you are supporting for amnesty and the selling out of America. The shame should be enough to make any voter sick. Let the dems get credit for bad policies rather than supporting pubs that will often do the same thing. Hell, with jeb as president its more likely that amnesty will get through congress than with hillary.

[olevetonahill]

As shatty as Jeb would be, he's still superior to billary

[okie52]

He may be superior to hillary on the issues as a whole...but I won't vote for a sellout regardless of who opposes them.

[olevetonahill]

He may be superior to hillary on the issues as a whole...but I won't vote for a sellout regardless of who opposes them.

Dont think it much matter here in OK. Doubt billary get any more votes than obammy

[okie52]

Dont think it much matter here in OK. Doubt billary get any more votes than obammy

Well if she wins a county it will be the first dem to do that in many elections...I think her hubby Billy was the last dem to win a county in OK.

[olevetonahill]

Well if she wins a county it will be the first dem to do that in many elections...I think her hubby Billy was the last dem to win a county in OK.

:drunk:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Well if she wins a county it will be the first dem to do that in many elections...I think her hubby Billy was the last dem to win a county in OK.she would get more votes than other democrats because of how much the Left adores Schlick.

[Serenity Now]

she would get more votes than other democrats because of how much the Left adores Schlick.

That and another few significant factors involving gender and race. Just sayin'.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

That and another few significant factors involving gender and race. Just sayin'.Race...WTF?

[Serenity Now]

Race...WTF?

So no Oklahomans voted against Obama because of his race. You've not seen my Facebook feed.

[Serenity Now]

So no Oklahomans voted against Obama because of his race. You've not seen my Facebook feed.

Or for him. It could be argued both ways.

[Turd_Ferguson]

So no Oklahomans voted against Obama because of his race. You've not seen my Facebook feed.

According to **** sticks like yourself, ANYBODY that didn't vote for(as you say voted against)Obama, is a racist. What a pecker head...jeez.

[olevetonahill]

According to **** sticks like yourself, ANYBODY that didn't vote for(as you say voted against)Obama, is a racist. What a pecker head...jeez.

I aint Racist, I just voted against the White 1/2 of him. http://www.olevetpossehideout.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So, Democrats in OK voted against Bear because he is black? Well, the party of slavery and segregation IS the democrat party, so maybe some did. Now they're home free to vote Hillry, since she's not "of color"? Could be right.

[Serenity Now]

So, Democrats in OK voted against Bear because he is black? Well, the party of slavery and segregation IS the democrat party, so maybe some did. Now they're home free to vote Hillry, since she's not "of color"? Could be right.
If you don't think it was a factor then you're a bigger idiot than you think I am.

[FaninAma]

If you're OK with that half vote for Hillry or Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, then you be shameless.

This may shock you but I actually prefer Obama(as bad as he is) as the POTUS as opposed to a Neocon Republican who is going to send our kids off to fight a proxy war for the benefit of the Saudis and other corrupt billionaire leaders of Arab countries in the Middle East.

I've seen that song and dance three times now....Vietnam, Gulf I and Gulf II. Wasted lives of American servicemen and women and wasted enormous sums of taxpayer money in all 3. Yes, I know LBJ was responsible for Vietnam but Nixon played the same game.

Let the Saudis fight their own wars. I am all for equiping and supporting them. Now that the US is essentially energy independent why waste precious resources on that **** hole region?

[FaninAma]

If you don't think it was a factor then you're a bigger idiot than you think I am.

And he slaps the tattered race card down with a loud "Bang!" .

Weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak! I guarantee you far more people voted for him simply because of his race than voted against him.

[okie52]

So no Oklahomans voted against Obama because of his race. You've not seen my Facebook feed.

I'm sure some do vote for or against because of Obamas race. However it must balance out to some degree as Obama in OK got 33% in 2012 and 34% in 2008, while Kerry got 34% in 2004. Neither Kerry nor Obama ever won a county in OK.

[rock on sooner]

And he slaps the tattered race card down with a loud "Bang!" .

Weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak! I guarantee you far more people voted for him simply because of his race than voted against him.

You are correct, sir! I remember the '08 caucus here in IA...the ground
swell of support in my district was overwhelmingly African American (and
in IA, they are a tiny % of the electorate...Edwards and Clinton were distant
2nd and 3rd. If Iowa was the precursor.......

Re your post just before that about the wars, I would point out that a Pub got
us started in 'Nam...Ike put 300 military "advisors" in country in 1958. It kind
of simmered and LBJ brought it to a boil...Gulf I was sort of in our national interests
and Gulf II, well, don't need to go there....

[Serenity Now]

And he slaps the tattered race card down with a loud "Bang!" .

Weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak! I guarantee you far more people voted for him simply because of his race than voted against him.

Probably accurate. The issue is then that Hillary will get less % than Obama got. I know people who I think didn't vote for him due to that reason. I wholly agree that some people voted who would not have otherwise voted so that they could vote for him. And, I'm sure both black Republicans voted Democratic in those elections. :)

I initially said it was a factor that won't be there this time. That's all.

[Serenity Now]

That and another few significant factors involving gender and race. Just sayin'.

There will be some women who will vote for Hillary because of her gender. There will be some MEN who won't vote for her due to that factor. Is that slapping down the GENDER CARD?

[okie52]

There will be some women who will vote for Hillary because of her gender. There will be some MEN who won't vote for her due to that factor. Is that slapping down the GENDER CARD?

Bitch slapping

[Serenity Now]

Bitch slapping

Nicely done...

[okie52]

Nicely done...

I figured you'd appreciate it.

[olevetonahill]

Bitch slapping

Dont slap the Sammich maker! At least until after she makes ya a sammich

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now
If you don't think it(racism among white democrats) was a factor then you're a bigger idiot than you think I am.
And he slaps the tattered race card down with a loud "Bang!" .

Weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak! I guarantee you far more people voted for him simply because of his race than voted against him.The democrat/socialist party has the attraction of a religion to many of its members, and even supersedes any racial prejudice to them. I agree it was likely some democrats voted against Bear because of his black blood, but likely most of them voted for him due to his democrat/socialist affiliation.

[Serenity Now]

Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now
If you don't think it(racism among white democrats) was a factor then you're a bigger idiot than you think I am.The democrat/socialist party has the attraction of a religion to many of its members, and even supersedes any racial prejudice to them. I agree it was likely some democrats voted against Bear because of his black blood, but likely most of them voted for him due to his democrat/socialist affiliation.

Dude, you just agreed with me about what you disagreed with me about. WTF?

I just said it was a factor. That's it. Then everyone gets up in arms like 8th called them a racist. Doth he protest too much?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Dude, you just agreed with me about what you disagreed with me about. WTF?

I just said it was a factor. That's it. Then everyone gets up in arms like 8th called them a racist. Doth he protest too much?It appears you might not have noticed that I DIDN'T disagree with you on your point about some OK democrats NOT voting for Bear because he's black. Just said those are the ones whose prejudice is stronger than their dedication to socialism.

[Soonerjeepman]

And he slaps the tattered race card down with a loud "Bang!" .

Weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak, weak! I guarantee you far more people voted for him simply because of his race than voted against him.

most definitely...you sure hear the "blacks" complain about him NOT doing more for them...lol