Cruz question

[Serenity Now]

we have heard for years about how Obama is not eligible to be president because he was born in Kenya. Cruz was born in Canada. What gives?

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm going to buy some people a Constitution for Christmas....

The United States Constitution requires that one be born an American citizen; the United States Constitution does not require that one be born within the United States. If one parent is an American citizen then the child is an American citizen regardless of where it is born so long as the birth is properly registered at a US Embassy or Consulate. Ted Cruz's parents registered his birth; therefore, he was born an American citizen. Ted Cruz is eligible to run for President. There is no controversy here.

[SicEmBaylor]

Now, as for Obama, I do believe he was born an American citizen. I think the problem for Obama is that he fudged and entered college on a student visa.

[yermom]

why would anyone do that?

[SicEmBaylor]

why would anyone do that?
He went to an ivy league school at a time when entrance was a little easier with skin color and a foreign passport. I don't necessarily begrudge him for gaming the system.

[Eielson]

I'm going to buy some people a Constitution for Christmas....

You can buy it for me, but you can't make me read it.

[Curly Bill]

You can buy it for me, but you can't make me read it.

Obammy?

[yermom]

He went to an ivy league school at a time when entrance was a little easier with skin color and a foreign passport. I don't necessarily begrudge him for gaming the system.

i guess to be fair, it took a while to get his birth certificate, apparently

[hawaii 5-0]

I want to see Cruz's mother's birth certificate.

His dad's Cuban. Must be a Commie.

I'm glad Cruz is runnin' for Prez. Stir that pot.

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[StanOU]

Regardless of where he was born or who his dad's former associates are, you can't help but admire the tech savvy foresight of a heavyweight political contender like Ted Cruz. http://www.tedcruz.com

[yermom]

:D

[Serenity Now]

Regardless of where he was born or who his dad's former associates are, you can't help but admire the tech savvy foresight of a heavyweight political contender like Ted Cruz. http://www.tedcruz.comHe's the guy in the charge running in front of the pack carrying a flag. His steps are numbered. That link is funny.

[dwarthog]

Regardless of where he was born or who his dad's former associates are, you can't help but admire the tech savvy foresight of a heavyweight political contender like Ted Cruz. http://www.tedcruz.com

I bet he can operate two phones and two different email accounts at least.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

He went to an ivy league school at a time when entrance was a little easier with skin color and a foreign passport. I don't necessarily begrudge him for gaming the system.

This is the crux of the matter, IMO. He falsified his eligibility to a Ivy League school in order to get entrance. If that record was published, he would either have to admit to fraud to enter school, or have to admit to fraud on being eligible to run for POTUS. Either would not do a candidate good...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

...and two different email accounts at least.

And not delete the information to hide the truth from the American people like a supposed dim nominee...

[hawaii 5-0]

Now that Ted Cruz has made it official we should all support his famous PAC

www.tedcruzforamerica.com


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[okie52]

Now that Ted Cruz has made it official we should all support his famous PAC

www.tedcruzforamerica.com


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Well they've changed it since last week when ted was supporting Obama's amnesty. Obviously he's a man that is willing to reach across the aisle.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I bet he can operate two phones and two different email accounts at least.

So did Billary...that was just part of her ****'n lies...

[StanOU]

I bet he can operate two phones and two different email accounts at least.

What he can or can't do using two different phones and email accounts remains to be seen. What we know he can do is read Green Eggs and Ham and shut down the government when he doesn't get his way. You know, real leadership stuff.

[Serenity Now]

There are a lot of qualified GOP folks out there. This clown isn't one. I don't mind Rubio.

[okie52]

Well rubio is an amnesty guy...pretty well ruined himself for no apparent reason.

[okie52]

So shutting down the government is unforgivable but granting amnesty to 4-5,009,000 illegals is the right thing to do?

[Serenity Now]

Shutting down the government and showboating about it is wrong. He knew it was going to end up costing millions on the back end. He's a caricature.

You're right. There are no reasonable republicans.

[okie52]

Heh heh...yeah those dam unreasonable pubs...enforcing immigration laws is so unreasonable.

[okie52]

I particularly liked obama giving illegals access to social security benefits...that was a classic.

[hawaii 5-0]

Heh heh...yeah those dam unreasonable pubs...enforcing immigration laws is so unreasonable.

A Bipartisan Senate passed an Immigration law. Repubs and Dems.

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[okie52]

A Bipartisan Senate passed an Immigration law. Repubs and Dems.

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Well that didn't pass the house now did it?

Less than 1/3 of the pubs voted for it...but hey that makes it bipartisan. So what's the current law?

But I know you think we "owe" it to them...eh,?

Kind of like congress (both the house and the senate in this case) passed keystone with "bipartisan" support until obama vetoed it...so no keystone.

[hawaii 5-0]

Again, telling me that you know what I think can only make you look the fool.


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[okie52]

Gee 5-0, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

So you don't think we should enforce immigration laws because the senate passed a bill that never became law...that about size it up for you?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

A Bipartisan Senate passed an Immigration law. Repubs and Dems.

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Why would you want 10 million illegals legal? They broke the law, they will be a blight to society (most) and they broke the law... Why reward law breakers? What about all the millions of others, who followed the law and process and did it right to become citizens? Most of the illegals do not want to be Americans, they want to be whatever country allegiance they have and work in the U.S. We are not an employment society. We are fast becoming a welfare society...

[hawaii 5-0]

And the alternative is to do........nothing ?

I'm all for responsible Immigration Reform. Lots ( not all) have been here a long time and deserve a chance to become citizens down the road. They need to be accounted for and let them start paying taxes now, not when Boehner retires or is indicted.

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[hawaii 5-0]

Gee 5-0, I don't want to put words in your mouth.


If you really believe that then don't. It's simple.

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[rock on sooner]

Shutting down the government and showboating about it is wrong. He knew it was going to end up costing millions on the back end. He's a caricature.

You're right. There are no reasonable republicans.

I heard one report that Cruz's stunt cost the economy $49B...caricature is
an accurate description.

[okie52]

And the alternative is to do........nothing ?

I'm all for responsible Immigration Reform. Lots ( not all) have been here a long time and deserve a chance to become citizens down the road. They need to be accounted for and let them start paying taxes now, not when Boehner retires or is indicted.

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Sure sounds like you believe we "owe" it to them simply because they've been here illegally a long time.

What taxes are they going to be paying that they aren't already paying now? Most of them will have incomes too low for federal and state income taxes. They already pay sales taxes and many already pay into SS because of using fraudulent SS#'s with no chance of receiving any benefit (that's a positive for SS unless Obama's amnesty goes through).

And just who do you think is going to shoulder the burden of their citizenship? They'll take out more from SS than they'll put into it. Certainly medicare/medicade will be on the hook for most of them. Most won't be paying any federal or state inocme taxes. So how is the American taxpayer not harmed by this?

Now if a bill was advanced that gave them temporary legal status and put their employer on the hook for all of their costs including taxes, education, healthcare, and transporation costs to and from their homeland then I could support something like that and the American Taxpayer wouldn't be out a dime.

Bad legislation is not better than no legislation. We already did that 30 years ago.

[FaninAma]

Now, as for Obama, I do believe he was born an American citizen. I think the problem for Obama is that he fudged and entered college on a student visa.

This. But the GOP caved to the media that had annoited Obama as the chosen one. Can you imagine the media feeding frenzy had Nixon, Reagan or Bush sealed their college records?

[FaninAma]

I heard one report that Cruz's stunt cost the economy $49B...caricature is
an accurate description.
So the government didn't end up spending any of the money it didn't spend during the shut down? If so we need a hell of a lot more shut downs.

[Serenity Now]

So the government didn't end up spending any of the money it didn't spend during the shut down? If so we need a hell of a lot more shut downs.

They had to spend that plus the extra amount due to the shutdown.

[Turd_Ferguson]

They had to spend that plus the extra amount due to the shutdown.

Bull****.

[FaninAma]

Bull****.
I think Serentity actually believes that.

[Serenity Now]

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost-the-economy/

$24 billion.

That’s according to an estimate from Standard & Poor’s. The financial services company said the shutdown, which ended with a deal late Wednesday night after 16 days, took $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent.

Here’s a breakdown of some of the economic cost by our calculations:

About $3.1 billion in lost government services, according to the research firm IHS
$152 million per day in lost travel spending, according to the U.S. Travel Association
$76 million per day lost because of National Parks being shut down, according to the National Park Service
$217 million per day in lost federal and contractor wages in the Washington D.C. metropolitan area alone

[hawaii 5-0]

The gall is that Cruz came right back and tried to blame it on the Dems.

He's shoulda waited a coupla months before trying to re-write history.


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[FaninAma]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/04/01/poll_ted_cruzs_support_surges_after_campaign_launc h_126118.html

[FaninAma]

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost-the-economy/

$24 billion.

That’s according to an estimate from Standard & Poor’s. The financial services company said the shutdown, which ended with a deal late Wednesday night after 16 days, took $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent.

Here’s a breakdown of some of the economic cost by our calculations:

About $3.1 billion in lost government services, according to the research firm IHS
$152 million per day in lost travel spending, according to the U.S. Travel Association
$76 million per day lost because of National Parks being shut down, according to the National Park Service
$217 million per day in lost federal and contractor wages in the Washington D.C. metropolitan area alone
Which is it....A$24 billion or $ 49 billion or perhaps only $2 billion as the Washington Post suggests?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-government-shutdown-cost-2-billion-in-lost-productivity-omb-report-says/2013/11/07/e883c3ec-47f2-11e3-bf0c-cebf37c6f484_story.html

The fact is you or nobody else really knows. You're just throwing out arbitrary figures to support your opinion. Spending money is not the same as producing something of value. Holy cow but the perception of what constitutes a measurement of value is so twisted on the left. No wonder idiot Keyensians like Krugman hold so much sway over you.

[Turd_Ferguson]

and let's not forget all the DC monuments that were fenced off to the public even though they weren't "manned" anyway...I'd like to see what they showed that price tag to be.

[hawaii 5-0]

Where'd you get the idea that a National Park Service official isn't assigned to the monuments ?


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[Turd_Ferguson]

Where'd you get the idea that a National Park Service official isn't assigned to the monuments ?


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Where'd you get the idea that thousands of peeps that walk through the monuments on a daily basis without guidance needed from an official setting behind a desk reading a book not paying attention to anybody, would justify fencing off all the monuments? Are you really going to tell us that you don't think the Obama admin did that for "shock and awe"?

[hawaii 5-0]

Where'd you get the idea that thousands of peeps that walk through the monuments on a daily basis without guidance needed from an official setting behind a desk reading a book not paying attention to anybody, would justify fencing off all the monuments? Are you really going to tell us that you don't think the Obama admin did that for "shock and awe"?

They probably did. It had a very good affect. Lots of folks were pizzed at Cruz's shenanigans including key Congressional Republicans.

So where did you get the idea that National Monuments aren't 'manned' ? Made that up didja ?


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[East Coast Bias]

Whatever it cost or did not cost, shutting the government down was a flawed strategy. Congress is so messed up right now with extremes on both sides the grid lock is hurting everyone. All they have been able to do over the past few years is name a few buildings.Maybe the Pubs can turn that around now that they are in control? Cruz is a divisive politician as well as a caricature.

[rock on sooner]

Whatever it cost or did not cost, shutting the government down was a flawed strategy. Congress is so messed up right now with extremes on both sides the grid lock is hurting everyone. All they have been able to do over the past few years is name a few buildings.Maybe the Pubs can turn that around now that they are in control? Cruz is a divisive politician as well as a caricature.

Looks like all the Pubs want to do is keep after the ACA...still..STILL..
haven't seen a viable alternative to it. If the Pubs got a better plan,
where in the world is it??..if they succeed, sure gonna **** off around
17m policy holders (and counting). With their efforts toward immigration,
minorities, education, Medicare and Medicaid, will a thinking electorate
let this all go forward? Don't know, don't have an answer, really and truly
want to hear about any workable solution. Every time I ask a Pub in person,
I get a blank expression in reply.

If folks exalt Cruz, Rubio, Graham, Trump (?!), Huckabee, Santorum, Jindal,
Fiorina, et al, please ask each of them to give you a better plan and then
report back. I will state, right here, right now, if any of them has a better
plan than can stand scrutiny, I will change parties and vote in the general
election for that Pub...so help me God!

[hawaii 5-0]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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[BoulderSooner79]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised they come up with one. But it will probably come in the form of modification to the current one. They are quickly finding that many of their own constituents don't want it repealed, but no one would complain about improvements. Now that the republicans have both houses, the ball is in their court and pointing fingers of blame won't hold much water in the next election. The only ones that will call for repealing the current law are GOP presidential hopefuls trying to get camera time. Current members of congress would be foolish to take this tact.

[Eielson]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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The old one.

[yermom]

The old one.

the one that obviously didn't work and costs the government tons of money at an unsustainable rate?

how is that much different than what we have?

[Serenity Now]

The old one. what about romneycare?

[SicEmBaylor]

what about romneycare?

Apples vs. oranges. RomneyCare was a state-based policy. There is no constitutional provision allowing the Federal government to provide or manage healthcare. ObamaCare is absolutely unconstitutional, and Roberts is a limp-wristed coward who is scared to death of his court appearing to be too partisan in the court of public opinion. ObamaCare is constitutional only by considering it a tax which the Administration always argued it was not.

RomneyCare is a state-based policy. A policy that need only comply with the state constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Individual states are free to craft whatever policy they choose up to and including a single-payer system. Whether it's good policy or not is another question, but supporting RomneyCare does not necessarily mean one would or should support ObamaCare for that obvious reason.

Healthcare hasn't enjoyed a truly free market since prior to the Great Society. The introduction of Medicare and Medicaid has directly led to the skyrocketing cost of healthcare in this country. Prior, healthcare and health insurance were affordable for the overwhelming majority of Americans and private entities picked up the slack when people couldn't afford it. Going to your local doctor and paying the bill was not a huge concern for most Americans, and health insurance was considerably cheaper.

A combination of government-managed healthcare, skyrocketing litigation costs for malpractice suits, and government regulation of the insurance market is what has priced so many people out of the healthcare market requiring even more government programs and more government regulation. There is no end to it until the ultimate goal is achieved -- a single payer system and complete nationalization of the healthcare industry.

For what it's worth, ObamaCare is a classically fascistic (economically speaking) model that combines the worst aspects of government with the worst aspects of private insurance. We would have been better off with implementing a single-payer system and being done with it.

[East Coast Bias]

Here's the winner ! They liked things the way they were.Coverage for those that can afford it, emergency care for the rest. A big win for Pharma and the insurance companies...

[SicEmBaylor]

Here's the winner ! They liked things the way they were.Coverage for those that can afford it, emergency care for the rest. A big win for Pharma and the insurance companies...

ObamaCare has been a huge boon for the larger insurance companies. It's a government/corporate conglomerate that needs to be killed.

[East Coast Bias]

ObamaCare has been a huge boon for the larger insurance companies. It's a government/corporate conglomerate that needs to be killed.

Okay, so you are in the camp that wants to kill Obamacare. Should we just go back to the old system? Like the others I am waiting for other options.Our old system ranked like 15 in the world. If we want to make healthcare a priority we need some new ideas. It seems like the Pubs were content with what we had before which was good for those with good job benefits that didn't mind being had by the health system.

I have always had good health insurance and have been fortunate in that respect. Should we as a society just write off the low-end of the scale and just pay for their trips to the ER in the form of higher premiums?

[Serenity Now]

The days you're referring to SicEm was when docs made a tad more money that the local school superintendent. They make 5-10 times that now. Much like how supply side economics has only worked to allow the upper level to buy larger vacation homes and larger yachts, the upper crust in health care have done the same thing over the last 50 years. I second your motion to go to a single payer system.

I think we'd have a much better opinion of the ACA if all of the states were cooperating with the Medicaid expansion.

Tyranny!!!!

[FaninAma]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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Yes, Mr. Roosevelt(the federal govvernment) will save all of us helpless peeps. Here's a 411 for you....health care spending started escalating out of control when the federal government got involved in it. It will stop escalating only when the federal government takes it completely over and starts rationing.

[FaninAma]

what about romneycare?
Romneycare left unchanged will bankrupt Massachussets by 2025. Massachussets spends more per capita on healthcare than any state in the union. Massachussets has the highest insurance premiums in the country. Wonderful, wonderful success. I sure hope Obamacare is exactly like it. LOL.

[SicEmBaylor]

Okay, so you are in the camp that wants to kill Obamacare. Should we just go back to the old system? Like the others I am waiting for other options.Our old system ranked like 15 in the world. If we want to make healthcare a priority we need some new ideas. It seems like the Pubs were content with what we had before which was good for those with good job benefits that didn't mind being had by the health system.

I have always had good health insurance and have been fortunate in that respect. Should we as a society just write off the low-end of the scale and just pay for their trips to the ER in the form of higher premiums?

I don't want to go back to the 'old system.' I want to give total free-market capitalism a try. The last time it was tried, healthcare costs were at their lowest.

[Eielson]

the one that obviously didn't work and costs the government tons of money at an unsustainable rate?

how is that much different than what we have?

They both suck. He just asked for a better plan; not a good one.

[TAFBSooner]

Apples vs. oranges. RomneyCare was a state-based policy. There is no constitutional provision allowing the Federal government to provide or manage healthcare. ObamaCare is absolutely unconstitutional, and Roberts is a limp-wristed coward who is scared to death of his court appearing to be too partisan in the court of public opinion. ObamaCare is constitutional only by considering it a tax which the Administration always argued it was not.

RomneyCare is a state-based policy. A policy that need only comply with the state constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Individual states are free to craft whatever policy they choose up to and including a single-payer system. Whether it's good policy or not is another question, but supporting RomneyCare does not necessarily mean one would or should support ObamaCare for that obvious reason.

Healthcare hasn't enjoyed a truly free market since prior to the Great Society. The introduction of Medicare and Medicaid has directly led to the skyrocketing cost of healthcare in this country. Prior, healthcare and health insurance were affordable for the overwhelming majority of Americans and private entities picked up the slack when people couldn't afford it. Going to your local doctor and paying the bill was not a huge concern for most Americans, and health insurance was considerably cheaper.

A combination of government-managed healthcare, skyrocketing litigation costs for malpractice suits, and government regulation of the insurance market is what has priced so many people out of the healthcare market requiring even more government programs and more government regulation. There is no end to it until the ultimate goal is achieved -- a single payer system and complete nationalization of the healthcare industry.

For what it's worth, ObamaCare is a classically fascistic (economically speaking) model that combines the worst aspects of government with the worst aspects of private insurance. We would have been better off with implementing a single-payer system and being done with it.

Healthcare in 1960 was . . . better than in 1910. We were moving up the S curve on how to solve infectious diseases. But we hadn't yet done much against cancer. No MRI's, cat scans meant Muffy giving you a sniff, and we didn't have the damnably expensive drugs we do now. The skyrocketing cost of healthcare has as much or more to do with what we're getting for the money than because it's no longer a free market.

Also don't blame the malpractice suits on Medicare, Medicaid, or Obamacare. Lawyers have done much and more to make this country less free than it was when I grew up (is this forum really anonymous?).

And as for your last paragraph (all of it), welcome to the Light!

[Serenity Now]

Healthcare in 1960 was . . . better than in 1910. We were moving up the S curve on how to solve infectious diseases. But we hadn't yet done much against cancer. No MRI's, cat scans meant Muffy giving you a sniff, and we didn't have the damnably expensive drugs we do now. The skyrocketing cost of healthcare has as much or more to do with what we're getting for the money than because it's no longer a free market.

Also don't blame the malpractice suits on Medicare, Medicaid, or Obamacare. Lawyers have done much and more to make this country less free than it was when I grew up (is this forum really anonymous?).

And as for your last paragraph (all of it), welcome to the Light!Like