SCOTUS upholds Wisconsin Voter ID Law

[okie52]

Supreme Court Leaves Intact Wisconsin Voter Identification Law
Monday, 23 Mar 2015 10:09 AM

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday left intact a new Republican-backed law in Wisconsin that requires voters to present photo identification when they cast ballots.

The court declined to hear an appeal filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, which challenged the law.

Voter identification laws have been put in place in a number of Republican-governed states over the objection of many Democrats. Republicans in Wisconsin and other states say such rules are needed to prevent voter fraud. Democrats say the laws are intended to suppress the turnout of minorities and other groups that tend to voter for Democrats.

In October, the court temporarily blocked the Wisconsin law. It did not explain its reasoning at the time, but it was most likely because the statute was being implemented so close to the November election, which could have caused confusion and disruption.

The ACLU had pointed out in October that absentee ballots had been sent out before the November election without notifying voters of the identification requirements.

The Supreme Court has previously upheld the constitutionality of such voter ID laws.

Wisconsin's is one of several similar voter ID rules that have become a political and racial flashpoint across the United States.

A federal judge blocked the state's voter ID law in March 2012 soon after it took effect and entered a permanent injunction in April, finding the measure would deter or prevent a substantial number of voters who lack photo identification from casting ballots, and place an unnecessary burden on the poor and minorities.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals blocked the decision and subsequently ruled in October that the law was constitutional. Wisconsin's Supreme Court upheld the voter ID law in a separate ruling.

The case is Frank v. Walker, U.S. Supreme Court, 14-803.

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[Tear Down This Wall]

About time.

[Serenity Now]

Wrong verb. "Upholds" indicates that they made a ruling. While they did tacitly uphold it by not hearing the case, however, I think, if a plaintiff brought forward a case it could still be considered.

[okie52]

The Supreme Court has previously upheld the constitutionality of such voter ID laws.

Oops...I didn't mean to make such a leap.

And I'm sure the anti voter ID supporters will challenge it every time...sound familiar?

[Serenity Now]

Oops...I didn't mean to make such a leap.

And I'm sure the anti voter ID supporters will challenge it every time...sound familiar?

And that's why I'm a bench warmer. Good thing we've got this voter ID law fixed so we can move on to bigger problems like the font used by Congress.

I predict a poll tax or a poll test will be passed in the future.

[Sooner8th]

And that's why I'm a bench warmer. Good thing we've got this voter ID law fixed so we can move on to bigger problems like the font used by Congress. I predict a poll tax or a poll test will be passed in the future.As a conservative democrat I would LOVE to have a poll test to be able to vote. Some sample questions. Where was Barack Obama born? Who bailed out the banks with TARP? True or false - deficits go up when there is a republican president and down when there is a democratic president. Do tax cuts pay for themselves?

[okie52]

And that's why I'm a bench warmer. Good thing we've got this voter ID law fixed so we can move on to bigger problems like the font used by Congress.

I predict a poll tax or a poll test will be passed in the future.

Or really important issues like the pubs endless war on women


Rape by fraud? N.J. lawmaker introduces bill to make it a crime

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/11/rape_by_fraud_nj_lawmaker_introduces_bill_to_make_ it_a_crime.html

[Serenity Now]

Or really important issues like the pubs endless war on women



http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/11/rape_by_fraud_nj_lawmaker_introduces_bill_to_make_ it_a_crime.html

Well played. I hold no illusion that the left is innocent of this crap.

[okie52]

Well played. I hold no illusion that the left is innocent of this crap.

Yeah, both sides have their extremes. I am amazed that some people don't realize it.

[olevetonahill]

Yeah, both sides have their extremes. I am amazed that some people don't realize it.

Bingo, One the Far Left extremists seems to have taken up residence here.

[Sooner in Tampa]

Bingo, One the Far Left extremists seems to have taken up residence here.

You mean the Far Left Extremists that preach tolerance, but they are intolerable? They believe in tolerance...as long as you see their way.

[okie52]

As a conservative democrat I would LOVE to have a poll test to be able to vote. Some sample questions. Where was Barack Obama born? Who bailed out the banks with TARP? True or false - deficits go up when there is a republican president and down when there is a democratic president. Do tax cuts pay for themselves?

8th, you're a conservative democrat? What sets you apart from the moderate/liberal democrats?

[olevetonahill]

8th, you're a conservative democrat? What sets you apart from the moderate/liberal democrats?

If hes a Conservative anything, Im a flying Pink Pig

[Turd_Ferguson]

If hes a Conservative anything, Im a flying Pink Pig

Heh! That mother****er wouldn't know conservative if he ****'n tripped over it...

[okie52]

Heh heh...well I just thought I'd ask...

[Sooner8th]

8th, you're a conservative democrat? What sets you apart from the moderate/liberal democrats?Yes I am, always have been. I'm fiscally conservative, in the real sense not the new cuttin' the wealthy's taxes and everybody wins "conservative" that is now standard definition of fiscally conservative. I do believe the budget should be balanced and we should pay our debt off, like clinton did and was going to. I am very liberal socially, I don't care what consenting adults do in the bedroom. I know that not allowing people of the same sex is unconstitutional and violates their rights of being treated equally. You don't like abortion? Don't have one. You don't like birth control? Don't take use it. I understand nobody has the right to violate other peoples rights. If you don't want to serve minorities, gays, not dispense birth control get out of the business you are in. I don't believe every problem african-americans have is based in racism and it's white peoples fault, but I do understand that a-a's are discriminated against more than white people are.

[okie52]

No problems with that 8th although I'd say fiscally responsible rather than fiscally conservative. I'd put myself in that category too but the Devils in the details.

So you find yourself at odds with other dems with that position?

[Sooner8th]

No problems with that 8th although I'd say fiscally responsible rather than fiscally conservative. I'd put myself in that category too but the Devils in the details. So you find yourself at odds with other dems with that position?No, we are at odds with conservative republicans on that issue. It was a conservative democrat who last balanced the budget and it is a democrat who are cutting the deficit. This shows me you listen to talking points to much, there is no evidence to support your contention.

[okie52]

What makes you a conservative democrat? Assuming that most dems are social liberals what separates you from the moderate/liberal dems on fiscal issues?

[Serenity Now]

I think dens that I know are ok with being fiscally conservative. We just want to not turn our backs on things like schools, police, veterans health care, Medicare, etc.

[okie52]

Maybe a definition of fiscally conservative would be in order. I see that as reducing spending and reducing taxes, balanced budget, etc...Fiscally responsible would mean paying for your debt as you go along...PAYGO if you will.

[Sooner8th]

Maybe a definition of fiscally conservative would be in order. I see that as reducing spending and reducing taxes, balanced budget, etc...Fiscally responsible would mean paying for your debt as you go along...PAYGO if you will.It is obvious you have do not understand what conservative is from a budgeting and finance perspective. You always take the most conservative estimates or outcomes when planning, "conservatives" do the opposite - witness republicans replacing the CBO director with one that applies dynamic scoring. Tax cuts lower revenue, ALWAYS, they never ever pay for themselves much less increase revenues. You can never ever pay off the debt while reducing taxes. You cut taxes AFTER the debt is paid off. What you don't understand is that the people who run your party - the koch's - they want to destroy social security and medicare. They don't want to have to pay taxes to pay back the money borrowed from the trust funds and they think it is socialism.

[FaninAma]

It is obvious you have do not understand what conservative is from a budgeting and finance perspective. You always take the most conservative estimates or outcomes when planning, "conservatives" do the opposite - witness republicans replacing the CBO director with one that applies dynamic scoring. Tax cuts lower revenue, ALWAYS, they never ever pay for themselves much less increase revenues. You can never ever pay off the debt while reducing taxes. You cut taxes AFTER the debt is paid off. What you don't understand is that the people who run your party - the koch's - they want to destroy social security and medicare. They don't want to have to pay taxes to pay back the money borrowed from the trust funds and they think it is socialism.

The last time the budget was even close to being balanced was when there was a GOP Congress, you know, where the appropriations bills(HoR) are originated. Also, the peace dividend from the ending of the Cold War went a long way toward reducing the deficit. Reagan deserves the credit for this no matter how much you hypocrites on the left want to give credit to Bill Clinton for everything. His first budget after the GOP took Congress called for massive sepnding and it was thrown back in his face but unlike Obama he decided to work with the new GOP Congress and they actually did something good for the country.

[REDREX]

The last time the budget wasw even close to being balanced was when there was a GOP Congress, you know, where the appropriations bills(HoR) are originated. Also, the peace dividend from the ending of the Cold War went a long way toward reducing the deficit. Reagan deserves the credit for this no matter how much you hypocrites on the left want to give credit to Bill Clinton for everything. His forst budget after the GOP took Congress called for massive sepnding and it was thrown back in his face but unlike Obama he decided to work with the new GOP Congress and they actually did something good for the country.---Correct

[okie52]

It is obvious you have do not understand what conservative is from a budgeting and finance perspective. You always take the most conservative estimates or outcomes when planning, "conservatives" do the opposite - witness republicans replacing the CBO director with one that applies dynamic scoring. Tax cuts lower revenue, ALWAYS, they never ever pay for themselves much less increase revenues. You can never ever pay off the debt while reducing taxes. You cut taxes AFTER the debt is paid off. What you don't understand is that the people who run your party - the koch's - they want to destroy social security and medicare. They don't want to have to pay taxes to pay back the money borrowed from the trust funds and they think it is socialism.

Well that is very illuminating 8th. I would have never thought about being conservative on projections.


Revenue Act of 1964

The United States Revenue Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–272), also known as the Tax Reduction Act, was a bipartisan tax cut bill signed by President Lyndon Johnson on February 26, 1964. Individual income tax rates were cut across the board by approximately 20%. In addition to individual income tax cuts, the act slightly reduced corporate tax rates and introduced a minimum standard deduction.[1]

The stated goal of the tax cuts were to raise personal incomes, increase consumption, and increase capital investments. Evidence shows that these goals were met to some degree by the tax cut.[4] Unemployment fell from 5.2% in 1964 to 4.5% in 1965, and fell to 3.8% in 1966.[4][5] Initial estimates predicted a loss of revenue as a result of the tax cuts, however, tax revenue increased in 1964 and 1965.[4][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964

If you cut taxes only after the debt is paid off why did Obama continue to extend the Bush tax cuts?

But the really important question to me is how does your defining yourself as a conservative democrat set yourself apart from a "moderate/liberal democrat"? How are they different from you

[olevetonahill]

The last time the budget wasw even close to being balanced was when there was a GOP Congress, you know, where the appropriations bills(HoR) are originated. Also, the peace dividend from the ending of the Cold War went a long way toward reducing the deficit. Reagan deserves the credit for this no matter how much you hypocrites on the left want to give credit to Bill Clinton for everything. His forst budget after the GOP took Congress called for massive sepnding and it was thrown back in his face but unlike Obama he decided to work with the new GOP Congress and they actually did something good for the country.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6whx7W6i_Wf8CE6-4dT5xM_0LMMy8El_fm_JsENHUM-Os0w1k6Q

[okie52]

I think dens that I know are ok with being fiscally conservative. We just want to not turn our backs on things like schools, police, veterans health care, Medicare, etc.

I certainly don't want to see those areas suffer either although schools and police would be more of a municipal/state issue. And I think there should be a safety net for people/kids too.

But, as I said before, the devil is in the details.

[Sooner8th]

The last time the budget wasw even close to being balanced was when there was a GOP Congress, you know, where the appropriations bills(HoR) are originated. Also, the peace dividend from the ending of the Cold War went a long way toward reducing the deficit. Reagan deserves the credit for this no matter how much you hypocrites on the left want to give credit to Bill Clinton for everything. His forst budget after the GOP took Congress called for massive sepnding and it was thrown back in his face but unlike Obama he decided to work with the new GOP Congress and they actually did something good for the country.You are a joke. The budget was balanced under CLINTON. You actually want to give credit for balancing the budget a full eight years after reagan, the president how tripled the debt and deficit, left office. But one month into obama's first term - you can't blame bush. What a JOKE. NO INTEGRITY. Here is a little chart showing you how it really worked. http://origin.factcheck.org/Images/image/FederalDeficit(1).jpg Reagan didn't end the cold war - gorbachev did. Clinton ran on welfare reform - it is the reason I voted for him TWICE. Tell me a republican president that would cut military spending. It took a democrat to do it.

[FaninAma]

You are a joke. The budget was balanced under CLINTON. You actually want to give credit for balancing the budget a full eight years after reagan, the president how tripled the debt and deficit, left office. But one month into obama's first term - you can't blame bush. What a JOKE. NO INTEGRITY. Here is a little chart showing you how it really worked. http://origin.factcheck.org/Images/image/FederalDeficit(1).jpg Reagan didn't end the cold war - gorbachev did. Clinton ran on welfare reform - it is the reason I voted for him TWICE. Tell me a republican president that would cut military spending. It took a democrat to do it.

You are just so silly. Reagan's policy of containment and strength coupled with the Saudi's lowering the price of oil crippled the Soviet's economy and led to their collapse. Clinton did not balance the budget. He agreed to let the GOP controlled Congress balance it and he went along for the ride. The Peace dividend was from military spending reductions that occured after the end of the Cold War.

[Sooner in Tampa]

You are just so silly. Reagan's policy of containment and strength coupled with the Saudi's lowering the price of oil crippled the Soviet's economy and led to their collapse. Clinton did not balance the budget. He agreed to let the GOP controlled Congress balance it and he went along for the ride. The Peace dividend was from military spending reductions that occured after the end of the Cold War.

Probably the single greatest bunch of crap that Libs tout about Slick Willy...NO PRESIDENT controls the budget!!!! He can damn sure can influence it, but he doesn't control it!

[Tear Down This Wall]

No, we are at odds with conservative republicans on that issue. It was a conservative democrat who last balanced the budget and it is a democrat who are cutting the deficit. This shows me you listen to talking points to much, there is no evidence to support your contention.

But, not while Democrats controlled the Congress. It took the Republicans wiping out Democrats in 1994 and taking control of the budget process for it to be balanced. Get your history straight.

[Sooner8th]

Well that is very illuminating 8th. I would have never thought about being conservative on projections.If you cut taxes only after the debt is paid off why did Obama continue to extend the Bush tax cuts?But the really important question to me is how does your defining yourself as a conservative democrat set yourself apart from a "moderate/liberal democrat"? How are they different from youYou just don't understand. Being fiscally conservative means you don't make quick harsh decisions. He extended the bush tax cuts on the wealthy because of POLITICS. There is a difference between not raising taxes and cutting taxes, or does obama get credit for cuttin' taxes? I already put it.

[Sooner8th]

You are just so silly. Reagan's policy of containment and strength coupled with the Saudi's lowering the price of oil crippled the Soviet's economy and led to their collapse. Clinton did not balance the budget. He agreed to let the GOP controlled Congress balance it and he went along for the ride. The Peace dividend was from military spending reductions that occured after the end of the Cold War.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER READ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Clinton did not balance the budget. He agreed to let the GOP controlled Congress balance it and he went along for the ride. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STOP IT YOU ARE KILLING ME............... You are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the conservative republicans raised taxes, cut military spending and increased discretionary spending to balance the budget? FVCKING LIBTARDS! LOL

[Serenity Now]

I tire of the praises of St. Reagan. Carter inherited a bad situation that was going to turnaround at some point. Between OPEC, price fixing and the tail end of Vietnam, Nixon/Ford left Carter with a mess. The economy was due to bounce back and it did under Reagan. He did some good things but he also used our future to outspend Russia. Ironically, today, St. Ronald would be too moderate to even be elected to Congress.

He also had a nice history of working hand in hand with Iran (or Ayran for one or two of you) to covertly sell them weapons and delay a hostage release for election purposes. :)

[Serenity Now]

Supply-side economics, or something - doo economics...voo-doo economics works well when you cut spending in conjunction with cutting income. Reagan cut some spending but ramped it up on other areas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/31/charts-what-if-obama-spent-like-reagan/

I like Reagan and appreciated his bringing down the big bear. But, he was no Clinton. :) I voted for Bush then Perot.

[Sooner8th]

Probably the single greatest bunch of crap that Libs tout about Slick Willy...NO PRESIDENT controls the budget!!!! He can damn sure can influence it, but he doesn't control it!You do understand what you just said right? These "obama" deficits and adding to the debt are actually teabagger conservative republicans in congresses debt and deficits. LOL too funny.....................

[okie52]

You just don't understand. Being fiscally conservative means you don't make quick harsh decisions. He extended the bush tax cuts on the wealthy because of POLITICS. There is a difference between not raising taxes and cutting taxes, or does obama get credit for cuttin' taxes? I already put it.

Weren't the dems complaining about the bush tax cuts from the day they were enacted and how it contributed to the deficits? I realize that much of their focus was towards the wealthy getting a tax cut but everyone that paid federal income taxes got a tax break. As you said, you don't cut taxes until after the debt is paid off so how does that fit with your "conservative" philosophy?

Letting the bush tax cuts expire would be raising taxes? They were only meant to be temporary. Doing nothing would have returned to the old Clinton tax rates and, as you said, "tax cuts never pay for themselves" and "that they lower revenues" so why didn't Obama let the rates return to the Clinton tax rates and recapture all of that lost revenue?

"I already put it"? I'm assuming that means you already described yourself as a "fiscal conservative, social liberal" with that equaling a "conservative democrat". I'm just trying to get your explanation on how that differs from the moderate/liberal dems. Do they have a different economic philosophy than you?

[Serenity Now]

I love when politicians make a tax cut that will expire after their term of office expires, letting the next guy take the load. Cheney was good at that.

[okie52]

I was good with letting all of the tax cuts expire.

[Sooner8th]

Weren't the dems complaining about the bush tax cuts from the day they were enacted and how it contributed to the deficits? I realize that much of their focus was towards the wealthy getting a tax cut but everyone that paid federal income taxes got a tax break. As you said, you don't cut taxes until after the debt is paid off so how does that fit with your "conservative" philosophy?Letting the bush tax cuts expire would be raising taxes? They were only meant to be temporary. Doing nothing would have returned to the old Clinton tax rates and, as you said, "tax cuts never pay for themselves" and "that they lower revenues" so why didn't Obama let the rates return to the Clinton tax rates and recapture all of that lost revenue? "I already put it"? I'm assuming that means you already described yourself as a "fiscal conservative, social liberal" with that equaling a "conservative democrat". I'm just trying to get your explanation on how that differs from the moderate/liberal dems. Do they have a different economic philosophy than you?It did - what does that have to do with anything? They were NEVER meant to be temporary - they only put them out to ten years because they didn't want to show the deficit being that high that far out. Tax cuts never pay for themselves. The when johnson cut taxes, the economy was growing at 5.4% before and 5% after.

[Sooner in Tampa]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^

Lying, stinking, stealing, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.

[Sooner8th]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^ Lying, stinking, stealing, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.Back to this huh? Can't take not being as smart as me huh? loser redneck does not understand the meaning of democracy.

[Sooner in Tampa]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^

Lying, stinking, stealing, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.

[Sooner8th]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^ Lying, stinking, stealing, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.Back to this huh? Can't take not being as smart as me huh? loser redneck does not understand the meaning of democracy.

[okie52]

It did - what does that have to do with anything? They were NEVER meant to be temporary - they only put them out to ten years because they didn't want to show the deficit being that high that far out. Tax cuts never pay for themselves. The when johnson cut taxes, the economy was growing at 5.4% before and 5% after.

If the tax cuts were responsible for creating the deficits or part of them then why didn't Obama just let them expire? You know, increase those tax revenues and decrease the deficit.

The article on the tax cuts of 1964 differs from your assessment. So tax cuts retard economic growth? Then why did Obama continue to renew them?

Still waiting on your explanation of how you as a "conservative dem" differ from the liberal/mod dems.

[Sooner8th]

If the tax cuts were responsible for creating the deficits or part of them then why didn't Obama just let them expire? You know, increase those tax revenues and decrease the deficit. The article on the tax cuts of 1964 differs from your assessment. So tax cuts retard economic growth? Then why did Obama continue to renew them? Still waiting on your explanation of how you as a "conservative dem" differ from the liberal/mod dems.I have answered both of these questions before, read.

[okie52]

I have answered both of these questions before, read.

You stated it where...in this thread? You certainly stated you were a conservative democrat in this thread but you never said how you were different from the moderate/liberal dems.

[Sooner8th]

You stated it where...in this thread? You certainly stated you were a conservative democrat in this thread but you never said how you were different from the moderate/liberal dems.I answer it. Everyone in here seems to be experts on what a liberal dem is. Can you figure it out for yourself?

[okie52]

I answer it. Everyone in here seems to be experts on what a liberal dem is. Can you figure it out for yourself?

You didn't answer it. If you are going to define yourself as a conservative dem you ought to at least be willing to distinguish the difference from the mod/lib dems. I know you hate to disagree with other dems but I doubt they'll take any offense over it.

[badger]

This law can have a positive outcome for those groups of people whom some claim would be adversely impacted by it. States will now need to make identification required for voting easily accessible and affordable for all legal voters.

Seniors on fixed incomes and low income workers may now be more inclined to get identification that can not only be used for voting, but also driving... and liquor :P

[olevetonahill]

This law can have a positive outcome for those groups of people whom some claim would be adversely impacted by it.
States will now need to make identification required for voting easily accessible and affordable for all legal voters.

Seniors on fixed incomes and low income workers may now be more inclined to get identification that can not only be used for voting, but also driving... and liquor :P

Some one please explain why its so Difficult for some one who WANTs to vote to get an ID? Hell IF they can ****ing REGISTER to vote they can get an ID at the same dayum time

[Serenity Now]

1/3 of Texas counties don't have the ability to get ID's. Poverty and old age limit travel. The right seems not to care about that and an amendment that required those facilities to be open one night a week until 7 and one weekend a month was shot down by the right. They don't really care about voter fraud. They care about Controlling the denominator.

[olevetonahill]

1/3 of Texas counties don't have the ability to get ID's. Poverty and old age limit travel. The right seems not to care about that and an amendment that required those facilities to be open one night a week until 7 and one weekend a month was shot down by the right. They don't really care about voter fraud. They care about Controlling the denominator.


Let me try to understand this OK? 1/3 of Counties in Saxet correct?
Do you really believe those who CANT get out and or Find a ride Really want to vote?
What about the rest of the states? are they the same %
Why dont the activists swarm down there and Take em all to get IDs ?
Much like they did in the south to get em registered ?
Now If its SO hard to get and ID because they cant get a ride, How in Holy Hell they gonna go VOTE?

[Serenity Now]

I can get behind it but why fight making ID's more accessible? What motive could it be?

[Serenity Now]

Registering to vote and voting is done locally at precincts. Is it that difficult to see through the subterfuge?

[hawaii 5-0]

One commissioner in North Carolina went before a camera and even boasted how effective the new voting restrictions were against 'certain folks'.

5-0

[Turd_Ferguson]

One commissioner in North Carolina went before a camera and even boasted how effective the new voting restrictions were against 'certain folks'.

5-0

Why don't you stop being such a giant ***** and just say what you're talking about? I bet 90% of your post are just mumbo jumbo **** trying to dance around what you want to say. Damn Gina, just say it!...Also, **** like you posted above should get a linky...just say'n.

[Serenity Now]

Maybe 8th needs to be here to give the rest of us cover for disagreeing with a few of you.

[olevetonahill]

I can get behind it but why fight making ID's more accessible? What motive could it be?

I dont live in Saxet so I dont have a Clue
Again you talkin 3 or so out of 10 in Saxet. What are the other states like

[Serenity Now]

The law is clearly designed to help the gop. There are many people quoted as saying so. You can't turn faux news down long enough to read about it.

[Sooner in Tampa]

The law is clearly designed to help the gop. There are many people quoted as saying so. You can't turn faux news down long enough to read about it.

I am not disagreeing with the assessment that this helps the GOP...I just don't understand it how everyone jumps to that conclusion.

Dems are averse to getting ID cards? Seriously...you need an ID to do just about anything in this day and age...how hard can it be? How do you get any money is you don't have an ID?

[Serenity Now]

ID is only part of it. They disallowed certain ID's that indicates bias. For example, you can't use a student ID. They also severely limited early voting. Again, this is trying to limit the denominator. It's nothing more than a different way to jerrymander.

I just think the folks defending it are being intellectually dishonest in trying to say that A) it's not partisan and B) that voter fraud is actually an issue, because it is not.

[badger]

voter fraud is actually an issue, because it is not
I don't believe it. It just doesn't get reported.

Let's make acceptable photo IDs for voting free for all citizens eligible to vote and then require photo ID to vote. Simple and straight forward... and now most everyone will have easy access to a photo ID as well. Win-win.

[Sooner in Tampa]

What ID's could possible disallow that would indicate a bias? How does early voting indicate a bias? I am not trolling or tying to be antagonistic...I am asking with sincerity.

The example you used is a student ID...I could see how a student ID would be easy to counterfeit so I understand that one...but if they allowed it, I wouldn't be overly opposed to it.


As far as early voting...color me confused about it being biased. If statistics show that dems early vote more often the pubs...why? AND if that is the case...isn't having extended early voting kind of biased against the pubs? I have been voting for a long time and I always vote on election day (except while on active duty, then I voted absentee ballot)...I have NEVER had any sort of an issue when I am voting. No long lines, not harassment, no questions about who I am...I just don't get the whole early voting thing...but I understand how some may find it appealing...but I don't see how it could be a partisan issue.

[Serenity Now]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/why-voter-id-laws-arent-really-about-fraud/

A group out of Arizona State did a study. 50% of the voter fraud that they found dealt with absentee voting. Why is absentee voting not addressed by these state laws? Because elderly white (Faux News watchers) vote absentee.

"only six of the 31 states that require ID at the polls apply those standards to absentee voters, who are generally whiter and older than in-person voters. And two states with strict photo ID policies for in-person voters — Rhode Island and Georgia — have recently passed bills that allow anyone to mail in a ballot."
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"Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”
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What you propose is fair. The issue is that when these same people who put these laws into place are presented with that option they decline it. Texas voted to not keep the places where ID's are made open after 5 two nights a week and on two Saturday mornings. Pretty obvious to me. And, early voting apparently tends to be practiced by more minorities, at least according to what I read.

[olevetonahill]

The law is clearly designed to help the gop. There are many people quoted as saying so. You can't turn faux news down long enough to read about it.

Lets skip the Insults, Im rather tired of them for now.
For ONE I dont watch Fox or any other news source. I read about 3 papers a day on line
Just because a as you say it " Many people are quoted as saying so" does not make it a Fact.

I live in a Rural area we have to have an ID to vote.My Poll is about 6 miles from my house, the closest place to get an ID is over 20 miles away,
Yea I agree its a PITA but if we want to vote we have to do it.

[Serenity Now]

Lets skip the Insults, Im rather tired of them for now.
For ONE I dont watch Fox or any other news source. I read about 3 papers a day on line
Just because a as you say it " Many people are quoted as saying so" does not make it a Fact.

I live in a Rural area we have to have an ID to vote.My Poll is about 6 miles from my house, the closest place to get an ID is over 20 miles away,
Yea I agree its a PITA but if we want to vote we have to do it.

Not sure how that's an insult. I inferred the bar on insults to be really f'n low around here anyway.

Richard Posner (Republican judge) said it emphatically. Some guy in NC said it kept a "certain kind of people" away. Put your head in the sand and send your facebook kudos to the idiots speaking on our behalf...Sally Kern, Jim Inhofe, Mary Falin, James Lankford, etc.

[olevetonahill]

Not sure how that's an insult. I inferred the bar on insults to be really f'n low around here anyway.

Richard Posner (Republican judge) said it emphatically. Some guy in NC said it kept a "certain kind of people" away. Put your head in the sand and send your facebook kudos to the idiots speaking on our behalf...Sally Kern, Jim Inhofe, Mary Falin, James Lankford, etc.


Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
The law is clearly designed to help the gop. There are many people quoted as saying so. You can't turn faux news down long enough to read about it.

I took the part of your statement to be referring to me about Not turning off"FAUX" news
As far as the Bar around here goes I simply asked you to refrain as that nonsense has gotten very tiring.
Now If ya wanta Play that game we can but Id rather not.

[Serenity Now]

Kind of funny now that I read it. I know a lot of conservatives. I have friends that are conservatives. I think I'm the only Dem in my little subdivision and this would fit most of them. :)

Being a little new, I could be guilty of merging you, Terd, Rush, etc. into a composite character and responding the same to all. That would be like you guys responding to me like I'm 8th.

I'll try to be polite on my end and disagree but not be disagreeable.

[olevetonahill]

Kind of funny now that I read it. I know a lot of conservatives. I have friends that are conservatives. I think I'm the only Dem in my little subdivision and this would fit most of them. :)

Being a little new, I could be guilty of merging you, Terd, Rush, etc. into a composite character and responding the same to all. That would be like you guys responding to me like I'm 8th.

I'll try to be polite on my end and disagree but not be disagreeable.

You are Nothing like 8th IMHO, For the most part I try to get along but every now and then some one comes along who is convinced they are smarter than everyone, Better off than everyone, Better looking and just Plain Superior to everyone else, that they just get my hackles up.
There have been 8ths before and Im sure there will be a few more in the future.

I have No prob with folks who disagree, I do have a Prob with those who disagree and try to act like Im some ****ing ignorant hick.

[olevetonahill]

Another thing, The FAUX news label is as tiring to me as the "Libtard" and other stupid names.

[okie52]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/why-voter-id-laws-arent-really-about-fraud/

A group out of Arizona State did a study. 50% of the voter fraud that they found dealt with absentee voting. Why is absentee voting not addressed by these state laws? Because elderly white (Faux News watchers) vote absentee.

"only six of the 31 states that require ID at the polls apply those standards to absentee voters, who are generally whiter and older than in-person voters. And two states with strict photo ID policies for in-person voters — Rhode Island and Georgia — have recently passed bills that allow anyone to mail in a ballot."
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"Voter ID laws have all been sponsored by Republicans and passed overwhelmingly by Republican legislatures. A conservative U.S. circuit judge, Richard Posner, in a recent scathing critique of these laws, calling the expressed concern about fraud a “a mere fig leaf” and that they instead “appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks.”

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” Posner wrote, “…and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”
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What you propose is fair. The issue is that when these same people who put these laws into place are presented with that option they decline it. Texas voted to not keep the places where ID's are made open after 5 two nights a week and on two Saturday mornings. Pretty obvious to me. And, early voting apparently tends to be practiced by more minorities, at least according to what I read.

You're surprised that a party would try legislate laws that favor that party? I give you 11,000,000 illegals that dems insist on being made citizens and a president that thinks mandatory voting is something that should be explored.

[rock on sooner]

You're surprised that a party would try legislate laws that favor that party? I give you 11,000,000 illegals that dems insist on being made citizens and a president that thinks mandatory voting is something that should be explored.

Well, Okie, don't forget about a leading Pub prez contender that wants
a path to legal status for those 11m folks. Jeb wants that, much to his
conservative detriment.

The voter ID thing is mostly a Pub issue around the country. Here in IA,
the Pub Sec of State spent over a quarter million taxpayer bucks hunting
for voter fraud...found 7 examples, 5 of which were attributed to bad info
received from Pub officials...the other two...one was an out of state person
who tried to vote and the other just went away....most of this fear can be
traced to all the "dead" voters in Illinois who kept voting, often, for a Daley.

Badj posted an excellent solution. Let's do that, vote out ALL the incumbents
and start over. Just my opinion....

[okie52]

The pubs have their sellouts, no doubt about that and I have certainly stated my disdain for the likes of jeb, rubio, mcshame, grahamnesty, flake, christie, et al. I would never vote for a candidate that supports anything beyond temporary legal status for the illegals. I would make their employers pay for all of their costs while they are in the US and not be allowed to push the illegals costs onto the backs of the US taxpayers.

But the pubs, so far, have been the only ones standing in the way of amnesty. Every dem voted for that monstrous senate bill along with 14 sellout pubs. Only the pub house stopped this from becoming law.

I'm not really concerned about the overall effect of voter fraud but I do believe that it could be larger than what is reported. These studies cite people being "caught". What about the ones that weren't caught? How hard would it be to walk in a precinct and state you are John Smith and then vote (where they don't have voter ID)? Probably half of the John Smiths never vote
(based on a typical voter turnout). On local elections it could be much worse since those are usually very low voter turnout but the impact could be much greater.

I'm not for voting everybody out because there are some that I think do a good job (probably not the same ones you'd choose but you get the picture). My favorite, Coburn, unfortunately is no longer our senator but he would have term limited himself had his health not failed him.

[hawaii 5-0]

I've voted absentee the past 5 years or so. It's nice not to have to stand in line even tho it's only a hop, skip and a spit from my house.

I'm trusting that someone compares my signature on my ballot to the one on the official polling book.


5-0

[badger]

Voter ID laws aside, let's not pretend that both parties try to limit the political power of the other when given the chance. Are voting districts drawn geographically, by population, or to resemble elementary kid scribble so that there's enough blue/red to fill up their Congressional delegation? Are judges appointed based on credentials, experience, gender/age/race balance, or to ensure that there's enough liberal/conservative activists to go around?

So please, spare me the disenfranchisement talk. Both sides do it and it's always wrong. But as long as we're making ID a requirement, let's make chicken salad out of chicken. Free government issued ID for everyone! Use it to vote, use it to buy liquor, use it when the cop pulls you over :P

[hawaii 5-0]

Why don't you stop being such a giant ***** and just say what you're talking about? I bet 90% of your post are just mumbo jumbo **** trying to dance around what you want to say. Damn Gina, just say it!...Also, **** like you posted above should get a linky...just say'n.


It took all of 2 minutes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476621/Local-GOP-chair-Don-Yelton-resigns-racist-Daily-Show-interview.html


Please try to keep up with the grownups. We're talking about voter suppression.

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[Curly Bill]

Voter suppression, ie..the people that tend to vote for us are too stupid or worthless to get a photo ID! That about nail it?

[olevetonahill]

Voter suppression, ie..the people that tend to vote for us are too stupid or worthless to get a photo ID! That about nail it?

Bingo

[TheHumanAlphabet]

SN, Fraud is a big deal...

Most of these voter ID laws are righteous, pass the Constitution muster and more than anything prevents from Central government control. Yes, states ceded some rights for the good of the whole, but this Republic is still a patchwork of States aligned generally in the same direction. Unless the States again apply their powers and rights, they will be incrementally removed. We need stronger States, a weaker Executive branch, and a weaker or less strong FEDGOV.

[SCOUT]

It's almost like the name of the the country should be the United States of America. Almost like a group of states that united. That would be weird.

[rock on sooner]

Voter ID laws aside, let's not pretend that both parties try to limit the political power of the other when given the chance. Are voting districts drawn geographically, by population, or to resemble elementary kid scribble so that there's enough blue/red to fill up their Congressional delegation? Are judges appointed based on credentials, experience, gender/age/race balance, or to ensure that there's enough liberal/conservative activists to go around?

So please, spare me the disenfranchisement talk. Both sides do it and it's always wrong. But as long as we're making ID a requirement, let's make chicken salad out of chicken. Free government issued ID for everyone! Use it to vote, use it to buy liquor, use it when the cop pulls you over :P

Not wanting to carry this too far, but, IA draws their districts by population,
no matter the politics. The ENTIRE USA SHOULD DO THIS. The committee
that does it is non-partisan. Judges are appointed by the sitting governor
based on experience, creds, etc. and approved by the Senate.....
Again, Badj hits the nail on the head...free, valid ID's for all...

[hawaii 5-0]

Just in..... (June 24th. news sometimes travels slow on the coconut wireless.)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/wisconsin-republican-donor-busted-for-voting-5-times-in-gov-scott-walkers-recall-election/


Vote early.......vote often.



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[Serenity Now]

That's like 25% of all voter fraud over the last decade in Wisconsin!

[Tear Down This Wall]

Another thing, The FAUX news label is as tiring to me as the "Libtard" and other stupid names.

When they drag out FAUX news, it's because they've lost the argument. Congratulations.

[Serenity Now]

It's used because it's true:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/

60% false v. 21% false. Almost 300% MORE false!

[hawaii 5-0]

When they drag out FAUX news, it's because they've lost the argument. Congratulations.


Actually it's the one who throws the first insult is the Losur.

(Rule #2 of Message Board Smacking)

Creativity is encouraged. Anyone can throw a cheap insult.

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[champions77]

Yes I am, always have been. I'm fiscally conservative, in the real sense not the new cuttin' the wealthy's taxes and everybody wins "conservative" that is now standard definition of fiscally conservative. I do believe the budget should be balanced and we should pay our debt off, like clinton did and was going to. I am very liberal socially, I don't care what consenting adults do in the bedroom. I know that not allowing people of the same sex is unconstitutional and violates their rights of being treated equally. You don't like abortion? Don't have one. You don't like birth control? Don't take use it. I understand nobody has the right to violate other peoples rights. If you don't want to serve minorities, gays, not dispense birth control get out of the business you are in. I don't believe every problem african-americans have is based in racism and it's white peoples fault, but I do understand that a-a's are discriminated against more than white people are.

You are fiscally conservative? What a joke. You continue to focus all of your efforts to that "decreasing deficit", all the while the Nation's debt continue to explode with your hero at the helm. 8 Trillion and counting, expected to grow to Ten trillion before he finally leaves office. Why do you continue to follow that phony narrative? Why can't you recognize the DEBT that has accumulated during his watch?

[Serenity Now]

You are fiscally conservative? What a joke. You continue to focus all of your efforts to that "decreasing deficit", all the while the Nation's debt continue to explode with your hero at the helm. 8 Trillion and counting, expected to grow to Ten trillion before he finally leaves office. Why do you continue to follow that phony narrative? Why can't you recognize the DEBT that has accumulated during his watch?

Dewey Wins!

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?186334-All-good-things-must-come-to-an-end

[okie52]

I answer it. Everyone in here seems to be experts on what a liberal dem is. Can you figure it out for yourself?

I'd just like to say that this was 8th's last post ...kind of like I got to hear his dying words.

3/24/2015 3:11 pm. RIP...I already miss him and it hasn't even been a month.

[badger]

"Liberal dem" is someone who is not a moderate in a blue state... like the ones in California that wanted to pass a statement of support for the Oklahoma soldier who gave country secrets to Wikileaks... before cooler heads prevailed that maybe it's not such a good idea to congratulate a traitor, no matter how free the speech was???

Kind of like a conservative republican is someone who is not a moderate in a red state... your Sally Kern types, who the Republican majority are just begging to be term limited soon

While I've never lived in a blue state, I imagine the liberal dems are treated with the same eye rolls as the Sally Kerns in Oklahoma... sure they have their constituents' support to keep getting voted in, but the rest of the state begs them to keep their embarrassing legislation to themselves and not speak on the record.

[Serenity Now]

Found this.

[olevetonahill]

Found this.

Yer so good!

[champions77]

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Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
Rachel Alexander | Nov 11, 2012
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There were many factors that hurt Mitt Romney and favored Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election. The Democrats portrayed Romney in the worst light possible; as a wealthy, out of touch millionaire who wanted to return women to the 1800's. The left wing media predictably did everything it could to perpetuate that false caricature. Obama's race was an advantage; voters of all persuasions, particularly minorities, still cannot get over the allure of the first black president. The 47% of Americans on welfare were predisposed to vote for the food stamp president over Romney, wanting the free goodies to keep on giving, despite the long-term unsustainability.

In spite of those odds, polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election. The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office. Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party. Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns? The most realistic explanation is voter fraud in a few swing states. According to the Columbus Dispatch, one out of every five registered voters in Ohio is ineligible to vote. In at least two counties in Ohio, the number of registered voters exceeded the number of eligible adults who are of voting age. In northwestern Ohio's Wood County, there are 109 registered voters for every 100 people eligible to vote. An additional 31 of Ohio's 88 counties have voter registration rates over 90%, which most voting experts regard as suspicious. Obama miraculously won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland, and received over 99% of the vote where GOP inspectors were illegally removed.

The inflated numbers can't just reflect voters who have moved, because the average voting registration level nationwide is only 70%. The vast majority of voters over the 70% level are not voting because they want to, they are voting because someone is getting them to cast a vote, one way or another. Those 31 counties are most likely the largest counties in Ohio, representing a majority of Ohio voters. This means the number of votes cast above the 70% typical voter registration level easily tops 100,000, the margin Obama won Ohio by.

Videographer James O'Keefe, known for his undercover videos exposing left wing fraud, caught a Virginia Democratic Congressman's son on video in October explaining how to commit voter fraud. Patrick Moran, the son of Rep. Jim Moran, told O'Keefe's videographer that in order to make a vote for someone else, you'd need two pieces of identification, such as a utility bill, explaining, "they can fake a utility bill with ease, you know?" He went on to advise the videographer that he should also call the voter and pretend to be a polling company in order to make sure the voter isn't intending to vote. He said that Democrat attorneys would be located in the polling places to assist him if challenged casting one of these illegal votes.

In another video, O'Keefe's videographer tells a DNC staffer from Obama's Organizing for America that she intends to vote in both Texas and Florida. The staffer laughs and says, "It's cool." The staffer then prints out a voter registration form for the undercover videographer and advises her on what to do if she gets caught.

These are just the known instances of attempted voter fraud. How many instances occurred that were not discovered? Obama's Organizing for America looked up voters in swing states – many who would not have bothered voting otherwise – and got them to vote. How did they get them to vote? They may have given them rides to the polls, they may have offered to fill out and return their ballots for them, or they may have voted ballots for the ones who were not going to vote.

Many on the left believe there is nothing wrong with committing fraud in order to ensure Obama's reelection. It is a common tenet on the left that the ends justify the means. Saul Alinsky, the 1960's radical who inspired Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, taught community organizers like Obama that dishonesty is acceptable if it achieves your political goals. And when caught, Alinsky teaches radicals to deny the wrongdoing and change the topic to put their accusers on the defensive. One Obama supporter brazenly posted on Facebook that he was voting four times for Obama, asserting that the ends justify the means.

Aiding Obama's win was a devious suppression of the conservative vote. The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.

Voter fraud has been in the works for years. At least 52 employees of the left wing group ACORN have been convicted of voter registration fraud. ACORN itself was convicted of the crime of "compensation," paying its registration canvassers bonuses to exceed their quotas. In 2008, 36% of ACORN's voter registrations were invalidated. Left wing political pundit Chris Matthews admitted last year that pretending to call someone from a polling company, then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. He admitted he knows that kind of voter fraud takes place in Philadelphia.

Strong-arming people into voting who really have no desire to vote undermines our form of government. People do not choose to vote because they are uninformed about the issues and candidates, are lazy, cynical, or are content with the status quo. Voting someone else's ballot for them is cheating the system and essentially giving yourself two votes.

When people claim that Obama won because the economy was improving, or because Americans generally think he is doing a good job, it is not true. He won through dishonest methods and rhetoric. Many of the votes cast in the swing states were cajoled, some legally and perhaps even more illegally, into supporting him. If voter fraud becomes acceptable, then maybe Donald Trump is right: it's time for a revolution.

You Dems just keep on trying to convince yourselves that there is no voter fraud going on. If there is fraud in voter registration, which is indisputable, you can bet there is fraud in voting.












































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