Sooners @ Clones

[Sooner95]

Off to a fast start tonight!

[birddog]

There it is. Yep we've got good energy so far.

[Mookie91]

Like to see Walker get some playing time

[Blue]

Why? He's been hurt hasn't he?

13-7 OU 13:43

[Blue]

Spangler doin work!! 19-11

[Blue]

Cousins w the dunk! team looks good! 26-14 OU

No lead is safe here though. keep it up!

[Mookie91]

Why? He's been hurt hasn't he?

13-7 OU 13:43

I don't have any confidence in Woodard, he's a turnover machine 4.2 assists 2.5 turnovers per game, awful

[Blue]

nice to get some calls for a change.

[Blue]

I don't have any confidence in Woodard, he's a turnover machine 4.2 assists 2.5 turnovers per game, awful
Walker at this point isn't even close to being any better. Both have been disappointing but atleast Woodard is capable of going off.

[Blue]

Lovin it!! 35-18 OU 1:33

Isu looks like they went out "Varsity Blues" style last nigt.

Hield or 3!!

[Sooner95]

LOL Varsity Blue Style, nice one!

Gotta keep it up, they are very capable of ripping off a run of their own.

[birddog]

McKay is good. They'd only have 8 points as a team goin into half without him. We look really organized on both ends.

[birddog]

37-18. Half

[Eielson]

We went into one of the toughest places to play, against the #11 offense in the country, and held their starting five to 5 points and 7 turnovers in the first half? I've felt this is a Sweet 16 caliber team all year, but calling this half a Final Four caliber performance would be an understatement. Just incredible.

No lead is safe, though, in Ames. I feel VERY good about being up 19 at half, and think we should get the W, but it's far from over. They can put up points in bunches.

[aurorasooner]

Excellent 1st half. Sure would like to see our guys put this game away in the 1st 5 min of the 2nd instead of letting ISU get back in it with a run.
I don't know if the Clone fans were booing the refs for calling all those obvious arm hacks or they were booing their players for making those stupid fouls.

[Blue]

Playing with some serious...focus, intensity, and urgency. Best they've looked all year. Me likee. 48-28 OU.

[Mookie91]

Keep the pedal to the metal, just settle Cousins down before he gets a technical. For a guy that looks high all the time he goes off from time to time

[Blue]

Keep the peddle to the metal, just settle Cousins down before he gets a technical. For a guy that looks high all the time he goes off from time to time

Ha! No doubt. Love it though.

[Mookie91]

Too late, always smiling when he screws up. Now we know why he wasn't highly recruited

[Mookie91]

8 pt swing thanks to smokey and captain turnover

[Blue]

What theeee F ever...How do you choke that bad? Refs decided to give them some momentum.

[Eielson]

We're still winning, but I don't know that I like our chances at winning this game anymore.

What a change of events...15-0 run, and we might get blown out before this is done.

[Mookie91]

Love Cousins, way to give the home team life you fool.

[Blue]

8 pt swing thanks to smokey and captain turnover

18 point swing.

[aurorasooner]

Lead down to 3 all because of that SFB technical foul. Just ridiculous.

[Therealsouthsider]

....one of the more stupid things I've seen in quite some time, what happened to playing hard and keeping your mouth shut? Different generation I guess

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[Mookie91]

What theeee F ever...How do you choke that bad? Refs decided to give them some momentum.

Dude can't blame the refs for this one, just a choke job and Smokey poked the bear for no reason other than "he's wicked cool"

[FaninAma]

Lead down to 3 all because of that SFB technical foul. Just ridiculous.I have never seen a team implode quite that fast.

[Mookie91]

....one of the more stupid things I've seen in quite some time, what happened to playing hard and keeping your mouth shut? Different generation I guess

ss

Well it doesn't affect his playing time so who cares, not Smokey

[Eielson]

I'm pretty busy at the moment, so I'm barely able to watch more than the occasional glance up at the score, but I think it's pretty absurd to blame this 17-0 run on Cousins getting a technical. They've made a big run, which is what they do (regardless of technicals), and we, as an entire team, have collapsed.

[Mookie91]

I'm pretty busy at the moment, so I'm barely able to watch more than the occasional glance up at the score, but I think it's pretty absurd to blame this 17-0 run on Cousins getting a technical. They've made a big run, which is what they do (regardless of technicals), and we, as an entire team, have collapsed.

Momentum was completely on their side and then......

[Therealsouthsider]

I'm pretty busy at the moment, so I'm barely able to watch more than the occasional glance up at the score, but I think it's pretty absurd to blame this 17-0 run on Cousins getting a technical. They've made a big run, which is what they do (regardless of technicals), and we, as an entire team, have collapsed.

....the cyclones were getting plowed on their home court with no reason to fight....the actions of one individual gave them a reason, no matter how insignificant


ss

[Soonerjeepman]

Holy crap....

[Mookie91]

And not just on Cousins, Lon thought he was Phil Jackson for a second.

[Eielson]

Momentum was completely on their side and then......

I see. We pissed off Thor.

We're doomed.

[Blue]

Still a weak Technicall call. God forbid someone get excited. I imagine it was called bc he did it more than once.

[Soonerjeepman]

....the cyclones were getting plowed on their home court with no reason to fight....the actions of one individual gave them a reason, no matter how insignificant


ss

Yup

[Mookie91]

I see. We pissed off Thor.

We're doomed.

Nope but this will be a loss after being up 20 in the 2nd half

[soonercastor]

Losing a game is one thing, but if we lose it after being up that big that could leave a mark going into the tournament

[Mookie91]

Still a weak Technicall call. God forbid someone get excited. I imagine it was called bc he did it more than once.

I agree it was weak but this isn't the hood, you gotta play smarter than you look

[Blue]

Man we'd be 24-4 w/ out all the epic collapses this year.

This ones prob over 59-52 isu 6:50

[Soonerjeepman]

No hustle, no defense,... cool cousins.... course we are getting no calls on drives... we touch them and they get the call...

[Blue]

I just can't fault Cousins for getting excited. He's been awesome this year despite the mental lapses.

[FaninAma]

This team is hard to watch. No matter how big the lead you know they will let the other team climb back into the game. The lone exception was Texas in Austin when the horns just flat out quit.

[Soonerjeepman]

I'd say we're are done as well.... just look at the body language...

[Soonerjeepman]

So, up by 21 and we'll probably lose by 10, unbelievable

[Mookie91]

Winners act like it should happen losers celebrate before it does

[FaninAma]

Out scored 39-10 over 10 minutes. LOL.

[Eielson]

I'm fine blaming this on our offense, and I'm fine blaming this on our defense. I'm even fine blaming this on the coaching.

Blaming this on a technical foul is dumb, though. Technical fouls don't make you go ice-cold on offense, or make the other team start hitting shots. That's not how it works. We just didn't execute in the second half, and they did.

[Mookie91]

I'm fine blaming this on our offense, and I'm fine blaming this on our defense. I'm even fine blaming this on the coaching.

Blaming this on a technical foul is dumb, though. Technical fouls don't make you go ice-cold on offense, or make the other team start hitting shots. That's not how it works. We just didn't execute in the second half, and they did.

Cousins technical is indicative of the problems with this team, lack of mental toughness. Need more toughness

[Blue]

Jeckyll n Hyde team. Lets hope Jeckyll shows up in the Big Dance.

[Soonerjeepman]

Cousins attitude is prevalent... getting the technical shows that... shut up and play the game.

I will add, we quit on defense... didn't handle them stepping up on defense.... it's like we didn't think they would... great coaching by the mayor...

[FaninAma]

Krueger got absolutely schooled in the 2nd half.

[Mookie91]

Trevor Cousins swinging momentum one throw/technical at a time

[Blue]

Fire Ron Cooger.

[Mookie91]

Krueger got absolutely schooled in the 2nd half.

Yeah don't get why he didn't take a timeout after the 5 point swing

[Eielson]

Cousins technical is indicative of the problems with this team, lack of mental toughness. Need more toughness

Cousins is incredibly tough. Perhaps the toughest guy we have, and this is one of our toughest teams in years. Stop spouting random BS that you think sounds good.

[Soonerjeepman]

Kruger take a time out...?... ya got to b kidding me.... lol. Never does.

[Blue]

Somebody teach Thomas how to shoot please.

[Mookie91]

Cousins is incredibly tough. Perhaps the toughest guy we have, and this is one of our toughest teams in years. Stop spouting random BS that you think sounds good.

There is beat you up tough and mentally tough. Counting tonight there has been two other times, one resulting in another technical, where he has gotten outta hand.

[aurorasooner]

I'm fine blaming this on our offense, and I'm fine blaming this on our defense. I'm even fine blaming this on the coaching.

Blaming this on a technical foul is dumb, though. Technical fouls don't make you go ice-cold on offense, or make the other team start hitting shots. That's not how it works. We just didn't execute in the second half, and they did.Totally, just totally disagree. We had the crowd out of the game, we had their team out of the game, and we had them right where we wanted them with very little room for error. Just a bad, bad mental error which opened the flood gates. Good game plan, good hustle really good execution up until that point.

[Eielson]

Yeah don't get why he didn't take a timeout after the 5 point swing

We called plenty of timeouts, and it just kept coming. Those things aren't magical.

[Soonerjeepman]

Lol.... what a collapse

[Blue]

Just get on the bus guys....you blew it.

[Mookie91]

Hopefully you learn from this and guys get that a basketball game consists of 40 minutes in college. Lon learns this isn't MJ and Scottie or Shaq and Kobe and he needs to settle these guys down when they get out of hand.

[Eielson]

There is beat you up tough and mentally tough. Counting tonight there has been two other times, one resulting in another technical, where he has gotten outta hand.

Cousins is mentally tough.

[Soonerjeepman]

Ya need to go back and watch....kruger rarely takes a TO. I've said that for 3+years ....

[Soonerjeepman]

Ugh...mushmouth and frannie can't get clone **** out of there mouths....

[8timechamps]

Ugh. Brutal.

I think this boiled down to getting a big lead and coasting. You just can't do that on the road against a good team.

This was the game I felt like we were probably going to lose (although, we should have been able to get the W). It just sets up next Saturday to be a huge game.

To lose a game like that, this late in the season, doesn't really present any lessons to be learned. It's too late for that. It is what it is, the team needs to let it go and move on to KU. All will be forgiven if we win that one.

[Eielson]

Ya need to go back and watch....kruger rarely takes a TO. I've said that for 3+years ....

OU up 20 at TV timeout at 14:55
- ISU goes on 8-0 run

OU up 12 at OU timeout at 14:04
- ISU goes on 9-0 run

OU timeout at 11:37 and TV timeout 10:57
- ISU goes on 9-4 run

TV timeout at 7:39
- ISU continues to expand lead

I think you get the picture. There were plenty of play stoppages, and none of them stopped this magical "momentum" that Cousins created by pissing off Thor and Odin.

[8timechamps]

Just looked back at the box score...

6:00 in the second half (from 15:14 to 9:14) we had no baskets. We ended up shooting a pathetic 36% (22-60). I can't separate the stats by halves, but I'd love to see our numbers from the first half compared to the second.

Just a total meltdown.

[Soonerjeepman]

No it wont....ku wins the league again... this was a total collapse..

[Mookie91]

That's right Buddy pat Isiah on the back, it's ok this choke job happened.

[Soonerjeepman]

These idiots actually think Ku is going to lose to WV.... no way.

[8timechamps]

These idiots actually think Ku is going to lose to WV.... no way.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that. This is the weakest KU team in years, and WVU is a dangerous team.

It'll take WVU playing a great game, but there's no reason to dismiss the idea that it could happen. WVU already beat them once.

[Soonerjeepman]

Well, hopefully beat Ku.... the 2 seed will go to Isu....it'll come down to ksu, we got swept.... they split.

[Mookie91]

OU up 20 at TV timeout at 14:55
- ISU goes on 8-0 run

OU up 12 at OU timeout at 14:04
- ISU goes on 9-0 run

OU timeout at 11:37 and TV timeout 10:57
- ISU goes on 9-4 run

TV timeout at 7:39
- ISU continues to expand lead

I think you get the picture. There were plenty of play stoppages, and none of them stopped this magical "momentum" that Cousins created by pissing off Thor and Odin.

Wow, you really don't get it. From 14:55 to 10:57 they gave up a 17-0 run and they used 1 timeout.

[soonercastor]

Ugh. Brutal.

I think this boiled down to getting a big lead and coasting. You just can't do that on the road against a good team.


We didn't coast, coasting leads to a progressive chipping away of the lead. That thing happened fast. Real fast.

[Soonerjeepman]

No way....ku wins the title at home with a win. WV is hurting as well...ku wins by 10

WV won by 1 on a controversial call and had a shot to win as well.... that was with Stanton... is he still out?

[8timechamps]

Well, hopefully beat Ku.... the 2 seed will go to Isu....it'll come down to ksu, we got swept.... they split.

I'd rather have the 3 seed than the 2 seed (if we can't have the 1).

We'd have to probably play KU, but I'd rather not see ISU again.

[FaninAma]

I hope the Sooners go a long way in the NCAAs but I would not even think about putting money on them to get past the first round. I think they will but you would have to be crazy to think it was a sure thing.

[8timechamps]

We didn't coast, coasting leads to a progressive chipping away of the lead. That thing happened fast. Real fast.

I was making a generalization about the mentality. The point of no return came with 15:00 left in the game. The wheels fell off.

[Eielson]

Wow, you really don't get it. From 14:55 to 10:57 they gave up a 17-0 run and they used 1 timeout.

You did see the part where 5 timeouts happened during that massive run where we lost our huge lead, and they didn't seem to help, right?

I gift-wrapped you that data, and you still managed to miss it. I don't know what else can be said.

[8timechamps]

No way....ku wins the title at home with a win. WV is hurting as well...ku wins by 10

We may have to make a wager (for fun of course). KU is tough to beat at home, but I think WVU is a tough match-up for KU (like KSU was to us this year).

[Soonerjeepman]

I'd rather have the 3 seed than the 2 seed (if we can't have the 1).

We'd have to probably play KU, but I'd rather not see ISU again.

True....isu is a tough matchup

[8timechamps]

I hope the Sooners go a long way in the NCAAs but I would not even think about putting money on them to get past the first round. I think they will but you would have to be crazy to think it was a sure thing.

Agreed.

I'm just really hoping we get out of the first weekend. Anything after that would be a bonus. Sadly, that's no guarantee. With this team, there are a lot of possibilities; we could lose in the opening round, or be in the Elite 8. It's been a frustrating season as a fan.

[Soonerjeepman]

We may have to make a wager (for fun of course). KU is tough to beat at home, but I think WVU is a tough match-up for KU (like KSU was to us this year).

Lol....ok

[Eielson]

If Staten is healthy enough to play at a high level, I see no reason to discount them from beating a team that they just beat 2 weeks ago. Ultimately, I'd say KU is definitely favored, but it's not a lock. I was called an idiot for saying KSU could beat ISU, so I guess I don't mind being called an idiot again. We're going to have to see this one play out. I'm excited for the KU game either way.

[Soonerjeepman]

Give The Mayor credit.... he changed things up... got his guys going again... great motivator.

[Mookie91]

You did see the part where 5 timeouts happened during that massive run where we lost our huge lead, and they didn't seem to help, right?

I gift-wrapped you that data, and you still managed to miss it. I don't know what else can be said.

What can be said is after the 14 minute timeout the next shot you get is a Woodard 3, followed by a turnover, capped off by an uncontested 3 by ISU. Lon should've called another timeout and called a play for Thomas inside. Instead he let's them play and you get Buddy turnover, Booker forced 3, Cousins turnover. No decent looks, the team is frantic and the tide has turned.

I know you said you didn't watch but you could see OU was unsettled after the 5 point swing after the technical. They stopped getting good shots and kept turning it over. It was helter skelter.

[Soonerjeepman]

There is obviously a chance, always is..... but not very good. I do think we have a good chance to beat ku...b nice to finish with a win.

[Soonerjeepman]

I agree, Kruger likes to have the guys figure it out... fight through it... unfortunately these are college guys. They don't think that way sometimes.

[Mookie91]

I agree, Kruger likes to have the guys figure it out... fight through it... unfortunately these are college guys. They don't think that way sometimes.

From the 14 minute mark to the 11 minute mark 4 TO, 2 Woodard threes and a Booker three was the entire offense, not good.

[Salt City Sooner]

We may have to make a wager (for fun of course). KU is tough to beat at home, but I think WVU is a tough match-up for KU (like KSU was to us this year).
I'm going to disagree with you on this,just in the hopes that reverse psychology kicks in like it did on the other thread. :D

[aurorasooner]

Anyone see a quote in the press what Cousins exactly said to the I-State bench to draw that technical?

I was just wondering if it was something rather benign and the refs over-reacted or something rather harsh like dropping an F-bomb towards their bench that drew the T.
For the most part I have no problems with the officiating or with Lon's game coaching/game-plan except that perhaps if Cousin's spew was something like an F-bomb, then, imo, he should've been on the bench for the duration of the game regardless if we win or lose. About the only quotes I could find were:

Niang, who said Cousins had some choice words, credited the technical with helping wake Iowa State up.

"When someone gets up in your face and (is) telling you how they're kicking your butt, you're going to retaliate in some way. Luckily, we retaliated the right way," Niang said. "That was just the push that we needed."

The Collapse. With the Sooners leading by 20, Isaiah Cousins was hit with a technical for what was determined to be abusive language on the court. While it’s tough to blame Cousins for the run that followed, it was the turning point that put all the momentum on Iowa State’s side and allowed them to complete its largest comeback in school history. The Cyclones didn’t miss a field goal over the next six minutes. In that time, OU didn’t hit any, missing five shots while turning the ball over four times. The 22-0 run by Iowa State put the Cyclones ahead with 8:17 remaining.

What they did in the first half wasn't likely to happen in the second half. They responded well," Oklahoma coach Lon Kruger said. "We contributed to it, for sure."

Looks like one of the ISU boards doesn't know exactly what was said, but it looks like that we were being ""rather loose with the language" on the court before the actual T, which may have been drawn to the ref's attention by the TV crew, don't really know. I didn't notice anything on the broadcast like that I-State poster alludes to before the T, but it kind of spooked me that when they came back to the broadcast, that we had been T'ed up.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/

Re: NOTEBOOK: Differing takes on Cousins' T and more

I saw Kruger's answer and I think it's just coach speak. Of course it had an effect on the momentum and well beyond just ISU converting a lot of points on that trip.

I don't know if it was just the mic or what, but it was plain as day on the ESPN broadcast. When the T wasn't instantaneous I felt like it must have been some random Oklahoma fan in the stands because about 14,500 of the people in the building wouldn't have said it.

Re: NOTEBOOK: Differing takes on Cousins' T and more

I didn't think it was cousins who got the T. It looked like after Spangler blocked the shot he had some words for our bench.

Re: NOTEBOOK: Differing takes on Cousins' T and more

On Oklahomas offensive possession before that an Oklahoma player made a shot over one of our guys and you can clearly hear him say all f%%%ing day clear as a bell too over the tv broadcast.

[Boomer.....]

That was so tough to watch. We completely dominated a team for 25 minutes only to fold after the technical.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Lon didn't switch to a zone defense to stop all of the driving one-on-one baskets. We made numerous defensive switches in the first half.

[aurorasooner]

That was so tough to watch. We completely dominated a team for 25 minutes only to fold after the technical.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Lon didn't switch to a zone defense to stop all of the driving one-on-one baskets. We made numerous defensive switches in the first half.Pretty rough. I just hope that our BB team doesn't fold and get embarrassed on Sat by KU like our wimmen did, and then completely fold like the FB team did against Clemson and go one and done in the Big 12 and NCAA tourney. I hope that we don't but after that total collapse last night, I wouldn't be surprised if we lost the next 3, though.

[Temujin]

Anyone see a quote in the press what Cousins exactly said to the I-State bench to draw that technical?

Spangler swatted that shot and I heard through the TV Cousins yelled, "Get that **** outta here!" I kinda laughed at first actually. The thing that pisses me off is that Cousins didn't direct it at any ISU player, and that was VERY clear on the replay. He was just pumped that his teammate made a big play. Incredibly stupid IMO for the refs to call that a tech. I could understand if he was getting in the face of another player or something, but he didn't. But this is Big 12 officiating, and it benefited the home team, so I'm not in the least surprised that it was called.

[Soonerjeepman]

I really hate to complain about officiating....BUT, I will....

the 2nd half there were several times we drove the ball and got hammered but nothing...they drove the ball and seriously barely got touched and got the and 1. I don't disagree either were fouls...I disagree that only 1 was called. Course that was for the home team. Yes, even during our games we've gotten away with some...officiating in the big 12 is so awful.

I like Cousins, but man, sometimes ya got to shut up and just play. I got annoyed when they'd slap the floor...at different times...only to give up a lay-up or 3. So much for aggressive D. After the T I noticed Cousins was just off....offensively and definitely defensively.

[aurorasooner]

I really hate to complain about officiating....BUT, I will....

the 2nd half there were several times we drove the ball and got hammered but nothing...they drove the ball and seriously barely got touched and got the and 1. I don't disagree either were fouls...I disagree that only 1 was called. Course that was for the home team. Yes, even during our games we've gotten away with some...officiating in the big 12 is so awful.

I like Cousins, but man, sometimes ya got to shut up and just play. I got annoyed when they'd slap the floor...at different times...only to give up a lay-up or 3. So much for aggressive D. After the T I noticed Cousins was just off....offensively and definitely defensively.I don't know if this is the truth as it's from the same message board, and for all I know this poster may be Shemp from Stoolwater just trying to stir the pot, as Stool State chameleon fans have been coming out of the woodwork since that infamous re-kick and their "once-a-decade FB win".
However, if this is the way it went down, Cousins yelling profanities at the opposing coach then I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 12 Conference doesn't suspended him for the Sat game or Boren/Joe C doesn't send the word down to LK to suspend him on their own. Again, if he actually got the T for spewing at Hoiberg.
It's one thing to spew a few choice words at the opposing players on the floor after making a great play, but when you start to cuss at the adult coaches/adult refs/adult fans in the stands, then it has to be addressed, imo. At the very least, if you're going to act like the Boz, then you sure as hell better be able to back it up with your play on the field/court. I don't know, perhaps that embarrassing implosion on national TV is enough punishment

From a player on the bench - Cousins yelled a profanity at the bench and then at Hoiberg - the last getting him the technical.

Secondly, its very clear that Spangler yelled get that **** outta here when he came over to help on defense and blocked an off balance Niang shot. That was the last time we heard them yipping….

Although later, there was definitely some jawing as i saw him say something in McKays direction and Jameel just laughed…..Then again, we've had NY players before, the part we love when they're on our team is they don't back down from anybody….in the DNA up there…. They're new yorkers everybody else really don't matter!!!

Oklahomas a sound team and Kruger is a class act…. Ironically what i didn't like about the espn coverage was when ISU went on that 22-0 run, they didn't show Buddy Hiedl's mom once…. What gives….

Great Win…. Always fun to shut a bully up…. For cousins, he acted the bully and he got knocked the F&*% out!!!!

[Eielson]

These idiots actually think Ku is going to lose to WV.... no way.

I'd be willing to concede that somebody was an idiot, but it wasn't 8X, and it wasn't me, either.

[birddog]

WVs meltdown ranks third behind our Creighton and isu phails. The team we support comes back from 20 down at the half at ku, takes the lead, and THEN goes on to lose anyway. This season has been topsy-turvy to say the least. At this point I only ask for a win in the first game of the tourney.

[Soonerjeepman]

I'd be willing to concede that somebody was an idiot, but it wasn't 8X, and it wasn't me, either.

lol...no mushburger and fran....

[Soonerjeepman]

I'd be really curious to compare officiating during games where the visiting team was ahead and then lost...yes even out TT win in Norman. I'm not saying it's "intentional" but I'd say the home team was given some very generous calls. It should have been a charge on ku late in the game...knock that beast flat on his a@@. Then he gets the charge...both should have been charges.

wv didn't hit their FTs but then started to "stall" with 2 minutes left...wtf.