Obama awarded "4 pinocchios" on Keystone Pipeline.

[okie52]

WaPo: 4 Pinocchios to Obama For Repeating False Claims on Keystone
Monday, 02 Mar 2015 11:57 AM
By Drew MacKenzie

The Washington Post's Fact Checker Glenn Kessler has given four Pinocchios to President Barack Obama for his statement that the Keystone XL pipeline proposal "bypasses the United States."

After Obama had vetoed a bill in Congress last week to approve the construction of the oil pipeline from Canada, he made a deceptive statement to a North Dakota radio station defending his position, according to Kessler.

"I've already said I'm happy to look at how we can increase pipeline production for U.S. oil, but Keystone is for Canadian oil to send that down to the Gulf," Obama said during the interview.

"It bypasses the United States and is estimated to create a little over 250, maybe 300 permanent jobs. We should be focusing more broadly on American infrastructure for American jobs and American producers, and that's something that we very much support."

But Kessler said that Obama had repeated false claims about Keystone and managed to make his statements "even more misleading than before" by suggesting that the pipeline would not benefit American producers "at all."

"The Fact Checker … takes no position on the pipeline, and has repeatedly skewered both sides for overinflated rhetoric," Kessler wrote. "Yet the president's latest comments especially stand out.

"When the president says 'it bypasses the United States,' he leaves out a very important step. The crude oil would travel to the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline and diesel fuel.

"Current trends suggest that only about half of that refined product would be exported, and it could easily be lower."

Kessler noted that a report released in February by IHS Energy, which consults for energy companies, said that "Canadian crude making its way to the USGC [Gulf Coast] will likely be refined there, and most of the refined products are likely to be consumed in the United States."

Although environmentalists say IHS comments are self-serving, the findings are similar to those in the State Department's environmental impact statements on the Keystone XL project.

"This is what is especially strange about Obama's remarks, as he appears to be purposely ignoring the findings of the lead Cabinet agency on the issue," Kessler wrote.

The Fact Checker also noted that although Obama claims that Keystone is just for Canadian oil, the pipeline would actually help U.S. oil producers in North Dakota and Montana.

"Moreover, U.S. companies control about 30 percent of the production in Canada's oil sands region," Kessler wrote. "Thus, contrary to Obama's suggestion, it is not strictly Canadian.

"When Obama first started making the claim that the crude oil in the Keystone pipeline would bypass the United States, we wavered between Three and Four Pinocchios — and strongly suggested he take the time to review the State Department report. Clearly, the report remains unread."

Kessler concluded by saying: "The president's latest remarks pushes this assertion into the Four Pinocchios column. If he disagrees with the State Department's findings, he should begin to make the case why it is wrong, rather than assert the opposite, without any factual basis.

"Moreover, by telling North Dakota listeners that the pipeline has no benefit for Americans, he is again being misleading, given that producers in the region have signed contracts to transport some of their production through the pipeline."


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I can't imagine anyone being surprised at this.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Heesterical....

[REDREX]

It is a stupid decision----purely political----and it helps his pal Warren

[okie52]

Maybe pelosi was advising him about "fossil fuels".

[SicEmBaylor]

I oppose the pipeline unless it can be built without using eminent domain authority.

[okie52]

No eminent domain for any project?

[hawaii 5-0]

I never understood why the TeaBagggers got so upset over some rancher not paying taxes for grazing his cattle on Federal Land but when some foreign company wants to use Eminent Domain to take an American private citizen's land no one seems to give a shlt.


5-0

[SicEmBaylor]

I never understood why the TeaBagggers got so upset over some rancher not paying taxes for grazing his cattle on Federal Land but when some foreign company wants to use Eminent Domain to take an American private citizen's land no one seems to give a shlt.


5-0

I consider it absolutely criminal. I value almost nothing in this country above private property rights.

[REDREX]

I consider it absolutely criminal. I value almost nothing in this country above private property rights.---Without eminent domain you could never build a road or put in many public utilities

[REDREX]

I never understood why the TeaBagggers got so upset over some rancher not paying taxes for grazing his cattle on Federal Land but when some foreign company wants to use Eminent Domain to take an American private citizen's land no one seems to give a shlt


5-0---The majority of landowners will be more than happy to take the check for the R.O.W. across their property

[Sooner8th]

I consider it absolutely criminal. I value almost nothing in this country above private property rights.Please don't try to apply any logic to conservative positions. Their constitutional principals are fluid. If faux "news" and rightwingnut media say it is an outrage that a deadbeat rancher doesn't want to pay rent like everyone else - grab your high powered rifle with a scope on it and point it at a federal law enforcement official and call it patriotism. Then when the koch's want to put a pipeline in and want to take land people don't want to give up claim it's just obammys wer on earl and he hates 'merica!

[REDREX]

I see some people are clueless about using eminent domain to build pipelines

[Turd_Ferguson]

I see some people are clueless about using eminent domain to build pipelines

Heh. You could have just stopped at clueless.

[dwarthog]

I see some people are clueless about using eminent domain to build pipelines

Everyone's an expert on the internet. Would've thought you had that figured by now. :-)

[okie52]

---Without eminent domain you could never build a road or put in many public utilities

Same goes for many airports, railroads, sewers, lakes...

[okie52]

Please don't try to apply any logic to conservative positions. Their constitutional principals are fluid. If faux "news" and rightwingnut media say it is an outrage that a deadbeat rancher doesn't want to pay rent like everyone else - grab your high powered rifle with a scope on it and point it at a federal law enforcement official and call it patriotism. Then when the koch's want to put a pipeline in and want to take land people don't want to give up claim it's just obammys wer on earl and he hates 'merica!

So Obammy was against Keystone because of Eminent domain?

[Sooner8th]

I see some people are clueless about using eminent domain to build pipelines5-0 and I are not talking about eminent domain to build pipelines. We are talking about how your fluid "principals" and "constitutional rights" are. Changing when the rightwing media tells you to. You people defended the taker rancher to the point of pointing sniper rifles at law enforcement, but when citizens don't want to give up land to have a pipeline on it - not a problem. Try to be consistent.

[REDREX]

5-0 and I are not talking about eminent domain to build pipelines. We are talking about how your fluid "principals" and "constitutional rights" are. Changing when the rightwing media tells you to. You people defended the taker rancher to the point of pointing sniper rifles at law enforcement, but when citizens don't want to give up land to have a pipeline on it - not a problem. Try to be consistent.---Try not to find an example and then bend the facts to fit what you are trying to show---And you don't "give up" land only an easement---the vast majority of easements are purchased without using eminent domain

[Turd_Ferguson]

5-0 and I are not talking about eminent domain to build pipelines. We are talking about how your fluid "principals" and "constitutional rights" are. Changing when the rightwing media tells you to. You people defended the taker rancher to the point of pointing sniper rifles at law enforcement, but when citizens don't want to give up land to have a pipeline on it - not a problem. Try to be consistent.

And like a true lemming lib, you won't see the difference in the two...only blue donkeys. Keep tow'n that line lemming!

[Sooner8th]

---Try not to find an example and then bend the facts to fit what you are trying to show---And you don't "give up" land only an easement---the vast majority of easements are purchased without using eminent domainIs that the line you're going with? These are two different things? Taking property is taking property. There is not bending facts. You said yourself that "the vast majority of easements are purchased without using eminent domain" which means some are. And constitutional loving conservatives don't mind as long as the koch's get what they want.

[Sooner in Tampa]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^

Lying, stinking, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.

[Sooner8th]

And like a true lemming lib, you won't see the difference in the two...only blue donkeys. Keep tow'n that line lemming!LOL at you. We are not the lemming dancing the koch tune, abandoning your core values for a pipeline. Lemming

[Sooner8th]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^ Lying, stinking, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.I see loser piece of ****, low iq tyler durden has pulled his head out of his ignorant ***. Get something new ignorant loser.

[SoonerorLater]

The concept of eminent domain IS NOT in any way in and of itself unconstitutional. Thus provisions in the Fifth Amendment. It is however ripe for abuse. It should be done sparingly only for a large common good.


"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation".

[olevetonahill]

Ok theres at least a 100,000 miles of current Pipeline in the USA.
Most built with Eminent Domain.
The People whos land this pipeline crossed DIDNT lose the land, just the temporary use of it. They were compensated just as well as the landowners who didnt fight.
So in this case NO ONE LOST anything.

While I detest Gov. I see the NEED for ED. lets say 100 years ago some one for some far fetched reason bought a 1/4 mile strip of land that went from the Canadian border to Mexico right in the middle of the country, Should the Owner of that have been able to STOP I-40? all the other interstates?

[okie52]

Please don't try to apply any logic to conservative positions. Their constitutional principals are fluid. If faux "news" and rightwingnut media say it is an outrage that a deadbeat rancher doesn't want to pay rent like everyone else - grab your high powered rifle with a scope on it and point it at a federal law enforcement official and call it patriotism. Then when the koch's want to put a pipeline in and want to take land people don't want to give up claim it's just obammys wer on earl and he hates 'merica!

Logic is a good thing 8th. Thank goodness that dems and Obama continue to be a shining example for all to follow.

Vetoing Keystone stopped that dreaded Canadian oil from coming to the US.


Canadian oil rides south even without Keystone pipeline
Patti Domm | @pattidomm
Monday, 4 Nov 2013 | 8:33 AM ET
CNBC.com

The equivalent of hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil a day will soon be moving from western Canada into the U.S.—even if the controversial Keystone XL Pipeline is never built.

The energy industry is moving full steam ahead to move crude on rail cars—a fast growing business, booming along with increased North American oil production and already responsible for moving most of the oil out of the Bakken region in North Dakota.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101153096#.

Those dam Koch brothers, always trying to rob the public.


Buffett’s Burlington Northern Among Pipeline Winners

by Jim Efstathiou Jr
4:51 PM CST
January 25, 2012

Jan. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Warren Buffett’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC is among U.S. and Canadian railroads that stand to benefit from the Obama administration’s decision to reject TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL oil pipeline permit.

With modest expansion, railroads can handle all new oil produced in western Canada through 2030, according to an analysis of the Keystone proposal by the U.S. State Department.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-01-23/buffett-s-burlington-northern-among-winners-in-obama-rejection-of-pipeline

Of course everyone knows that shipping oil by rail is safer and cheaper than going by a pipeline...right 8th?

And the process, as Obama stated, is very important before approving a pipeline that the state department said would have little impact on the environment. From his stirring speech at Cushing OK in 3/22/2012.


But the fact is that my administration has approved dozens of new oil and gas pipelines over the last three years -– including one from Canada. And as long as I'm President, we're going to keep on encouraging oil development and infrastructure and people. We don't have to choose between one or the other, we can do both.”

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2013/08/07/president-obama-supported-oil-pipeline-construction-in-2012

He approved that other Canadian pipeline in less than 3 years but, well, there just wasn't enough time for the "process" on Keystone.

I'm glad you support logic 8th. You are a man of integrity.

[Sooner8th]

Logic is a good thing 8th. Thank goodness that dems and Obama continue to be a shining example for all to follow.Vetoing Keystone stopped that dreaded Canadian oil from coming to the US.http://www.cnbc.com/id/101153096#.Those dam Koch brothers, always trying to rob the public. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-01-23/buffett-s-burlington-northern-among-winners-in-obama-rejection-of-pipelineOf course everyone knows that shipping oil by rail is safer and cheaper than going by a pipeline...right 8th?And the process, as Obama stated, is very important before approving a pipeline that the state department said would have little impact on the environment. From his stirring speech at Cushing OK in 3/22/2012.http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2013/08/07/president-obama-supported-oil-pipeline-construction-in-2012He approved that other Canadian pipeline in less than 3 years but, well, there just wasn't enough time for the "process" on Keystone. I'm glad you support logic 8th. You are a man of integrity.Boy you and fan keep changing the lead in here. Go look up LOGIC. You tell me oil is already being brought in on trains - so we don't even need the pipeline. Thank you for making the point for the President. Obama has approved pipelines already? So there is no wer on earl? Thanks for clearing all that up. Good job.

[REDREX]

Is that the line you're going with? These are two different things? Taking property is taking property. There is not bending facts. You said yourself that "the vast majority of easements are purchased without using eminent domain" which means some are. And constitutional loving conservatives don't mind as long as the koch's get what they want.----Most of the Koch lines were built as private systems----they did not use eminent domain---- Try and stick to something you understand

[okie52]

Boy you and fan keep changing the lead in here. Go look up LOGIC. You tell me oil is already being brought in on trains - so we don't even need the pipeline. Thank you for making the point for the President. Obama has approved pipelines already? So there is no wer on earl? Thanks for clearing all that up. Good job.

As you know 8th, I hold your opinion in high esteem along with your unwavering integrity.

So you logic is:

Canadian tar oil will continue to be produced and shipped to the US regardless of Keystone.

To transport that oil by a more costly and less safe means to US refineries is the "logical" thing to do.

Much better to line the pockets of a dem supporter like Warren Buffet rather than the those libertarian crazed Koch brothers and other US companies.

Obama can approve a Canadian pipeline in less than 3 years but needs more time to review Keystone

This is outstanding logic 8th. You've redefined the word. A business model that should be embraced by all industries. You continue to impress. And, as always, you are a man of integrity.

[Sooner8th]

As you know 8th, I hold your opinion in high esteem along with your unwavering integrity.So you logic is:Canadian tar oil will continue to be produced and shipped to the US regardless of Keystone.To transport that oil by a more costly and less safe means to US refineries is the "logical" thing to do.Much better to line the pockets of a dem supporter like Warren Buffet rather than the those libertarian crazed Koch brothers and other US companies. Obama can approve a Canadian pipeline in less than 3 years but needs more time to review KeystoneThis is outstanding logic 8th. You've redefined the word. A business model that should be embraced by all industries. You continue to impress. And, as always, you are a man of integrity.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA me laughing at you. Can you read? Myself and 5-0 were comparing your backing of the taker rancher and property rights and a private company putting a pipeline on land the OWNERS don't want it put on, which of course you fully support. Nothing about the oil or anything else. I see you somehow got buffet in argument.

[Sooner8th]

----Most of the Koch lines were built as private systems----they did not use eminent domain---- Try and stick to something you understandYou just keep making my point for me. It was private and people AGREED to have a pipeline on their land. We are talking about people who do NOT want THEIR land.

[Turd_Ferguson]

You just keep making my point for me. It was private and people AGREED to have a pipeline on their land. We are talking about people who do NOT want THEIR land.

And as usual, the lemming deflects and spins. Why don't you give your take on the article in post #1?

[hawaii 5-0]

No problem with using eminent domain for a project that's in the public's interest. Airport, roadway, mass transit.

It's when a foreign, private company uses it to make money that makes it completely different.


5-0

[Turd_Ferguson]

No problem with using eminent domain for a project that's in the public's interest. Airport, roadway, mass transit.

It's when a foreign, private company uses it to make money that makes it completely different.


5-0

Who else besides a foreign private company stands to benefit from this pipeline?

[REDREX]

You just keep making my point for me. It was private and people AGREED to have a pipeline on their land. We are talking about people who do NOT want THEIR land.---You mean like Warren Buffett building new rail lines?

[FaninAma]

OG&E had a high tension power line on my property in Ada. One day a snake crawled up in one of the transformers and immolated itself but while doing so it started a fire that took out one of the wooden support posts. OG7E brought in some heavy machinery to replace the support and doing so they left some vehicle tracks through the pasture. I called and complained and promptley receive a check for $2000...more than enough to repair the slight damage.

I think that non-government entities do a pretty good job of fairly compensating a property owner for their property. The real danger is a government regulatory agency like the EPA that likes to come in and tell you what you can or cannot do with your property WITHOUT compensating you for the loss of value or production caused by their decision.

[hawaii 5-0]

Who else besides a foreign private company stands to benefit from this pipeline?


Mostly the private investors in a private company. The Kochs own a nice share. Boehner is invested as well. Conflict or interest ? You betcha.

Are you referring to the temporary jobs from installing it or the 50 jobs from monitoring and maintaining it or the thousands of jobs cleaning up the mess when the pipe breaks ?


5-0

[hawaii 5-0]

OG&E had a high tension power line on my property in Ada. One day a snake crawled up in one of the transformers and immolated itself but while doing so it started a fire that took out one of the wooden support posts. OG7E brought in some heavy machinery to replace the support and doing so they left some vehicle tracks through the pasture. I called and complained and promptley receive a check for $2000...more than enough to repair the slight damage.

I think that non-government entities do a pretty good job of fairly compensating a property owner for their property. The real danger is a government regulatory agency like the EPA that likes to come in and tell you what you can or cannot do with your property WITHOUT compensating you for the loss of value or production caused by their decision.


What's the value of a major spill of very dirty oil that makes it way into the aquifer ?

We're still waiting on BP to clean up their mess in the Gulf. Oh, but offshore drilling is perfectly safe.

The real danger is when some private foreign company wants to take your land by using our own laws.



5-0

[REDREX]

What's the value of a major spill of very dirty oil that makes it way into the aquifer ?

We're still waiting on BP to clean up their mess in the Gulf. Oh, but offshore drilling is perfectly safe.

The real danger is when some private foreign company wants to take your land by using our own laws.



5-0Today there are thousands of miles of pipelines that cross the aquifer and have been for 50 or more years

[olevetonahill]

Mostly the private investors in a private company. The Kochs own a nice share. Boehner is invested as well. Conflict or interest ? You betcha.

Are you referring to the temporary jobs from installing it or the 50 jobs from monitoring and maintaining it or the thousands of jobs cleaning up the mess when the pipe breaks ?


5-0


50 Jobs? yer nuts. last i read was well over 300 Permanant jobs, Now tell me about this clean up?How many jobs have been created to clean up the disasters from the train wrecks and have they brought those who died in those wrecks back to life?


What's the value of a major spill of very dirty oil that makes it way into the aquifer ?

We're still waiting on BP to clean up their mess in the Gulf. Oh, but offshore drilling is perfectly safe.

The real danger is when some private foreign company wants to take your land by using our own laws.



5-0

You cite the BP blow out , Please explain what that has to do with a Pipe line?
Show me again how these poor mistreated people are LOSING their Land to the Rich man?
Good God man they have to give up a RIGHT of way not Ownership, Once the Pipe is laid the people go on using the land as always
The Trans Alaska pipeline has been built for a Lot of years and NO major leaks or environmental issues.

[okie52]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA me laughing at you. Can you read? Myself and 5-0 were comparing your backing of the taker rancher and property rights and a private company putting a pipeline on land the OWNERS don't want it put on, which of course you fully support. Nothing about the oil or anything else. I see you somehow got buffet in argument.

You were describing the fluid "logic" of the wingnuts and then you went on to say (I'll repost it for you since you obviously lost track):


Boy you and fan keep changing the lead in here. Go look up LOGIC. You tell me oil is already being brought in on trains - so we don't even need the pipeline. Thank you for making the point for the President. Obama has approved pipelines already? So there is no wer on earl? Thanks for clearing all that up. Good job.

I tried to help you out by restating your usual independent, objective thought process regarding Obama's pipeline veto. No one could ever seriously call you a lemming. Brilliant viewpoint, I might add. Thoughtful, well informed, objective.

You had mentioned that those crazy wingnuts would do anything to help the Kochs but I knew you would abhor the fact that Buffett, a large dem supporter, was a primary beneficiary of the pipeline being vetoed. I think we all know how much you detest hypocrisy.

I also knew that you would want to address the outrageous smear by that conservative rag, the Washington Post, on Obama's character because he would never intentionally mislead the American public.

After all, you are a man integrity.

[Sooner8th]

---You mean like Warren Buffett building new rail lines?Show me where buffett is building new rail lines and taking people property.

[Sooner8th]

You were describing the fluid "logic" of the wingnuts and then you went on to say (I'll repost it for you since you obviously lost track):I tried to help you out by restating your usual independent, objective thought process regarding Obama's pipeline veto. No one could ever seriously call you a lemming. Brilliant viewpoint, I might add. Thoughtful, well informed, objective. You had mentioned that those crazy wingnuts would do anything to help the Kochs but I knew you would abhor the fact that Buffett, a large dem supporter, was a primary beneficiary of the pipeline being vetoed. I think we all know how much you detest hypocrisy. I also knew that you would want to address the outrageous smear by that conservative rag, the Washington Post, on Obama's character because he would never intentionally mislead the American public.After all, you are a man integrity.You just pulled back into the lead from fan. Good job. Can you not follow a simple conversation? 5-0 and I were comparing the rights love of PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS between the welfare, taker, deadbeat rancher and your ignoring people not wanting to have a pipeline on their PERSONAL PROPERTY. Following pumpkin? Then for some reason you brought up the oil is already being brought in on trains adding it's some corny thing with buffett. YOU tried to tie the logic of the PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to oil on trains.

[REDREX]

Show me where buffett is building new rail lines and taking people property.----Buffett owns BNSF----BNSF uses eminent domain to build rail lines----Can you follow that PUMPKIN?

[Sooner8th]

----Buffett owns BNSF----BNSF uses eminent domain to build rail lines----Can you follow that PUMPKIN?First off what the fvck does that have to do with conservatives loving property rights while ignoring them on the keystone pipeline. And on bnsf - prove it.

[REDREX]

First off what the fvck does that have to do with conservatives loving property rights while ignoring them on the keystone pipeline. And on bnsf - prove it.---You are such an idiot ---no railroad has ever operated without eminent domain ----Prove me wrong PUMPKIN

[Sooner8th]

---You are such an idiot ---no railroad has ever operated without eminent domain ----Prove me wrong PUMPKINYou made a claim and want me to disprove it? Brilliant logic there mr conservative. I'll take your demanding I disprove it as you can't prove it. Stop making sh!t up.

[REDREX]

You made a claim and want me to disprove it? Brilliant logic there mr conservative. I'll take your demanding I disprove it as you can't prove it. Stop making sh!t up.---I am not making it up and like I said you are an idiot----I think everyone will agree on that

[okie52]

You just pulled back into the lead from fan. Good job. Can you not follow a simple conversation? 5-0 and I were comparing the rights love of PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS between the welfare, taker, deadbeat rancher and your ignoring people not wanting to have a pipeline on their PERSONAL PROPERTY. Following pumpkin? Then for some reason you brought up the oil is already being brought in on trains adding it's some corny thing with buffett. YOU tried to tie the logic of the PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to oil on trains.

Thanks 8th. It is quite an honor to be in the lead with you. Likewise, you've been in the lead with me, too, for quite some time. Nobody else is even running a close 2nd. Bravo!!!

You probably need to contact the board administrator because someone has obviously hacked your account and is posting under your name.


Boy you and fan keep changing the lead in here. Go look up LOGIC. You tell me oil is already being brought in on trains - so we don't even need the pipeline. Thank you for making the point for the President. Obama has approved pipelines already? So there is no wer on earl? Thanks for clearing all that up. Good job.

Since you seem to have no recollection of this post it proves that someone has tampered with your account. I should have known you wouldn't have posted something this stupid.

[okie52]

You made a claim and want me to disprove it? Brilliant logic there mr conservative. I'll take your demanding I disprove it as you can't prove it. Stop making sh!t up.

https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/09/09-8003.pdf

[okie52]

I. How do Railroads Acquire their Interests?

Railroad companies have multiple ways to acquire interests in lands used for rights-of-way. The main methods for acquisition are federal or state government grants, condemnation and purchase. Other possibilities include license or prescription.



The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are for government buildings and other facilities, public utilities, highways, and railroads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I can't help but think that Obama's decision to stop keystone was in direct correlation to helping his buddy Buffet grow his railroad. More money for Buffet means more money for Obama and the Dems...


eminent domain is terrible,unless it falls directly in the scope of positive personal interest of the Obama's and buffet's of the world. Pipeline is bad! it will destroy the aquifer!! its takes away private land!!! Railroad much better.Railroad much safer. Eminent domain is ok for railroad development . Obama used the EPA report to shut down keystone, and allow buffet to prosper.

[hawaii 5-0]

The original plan was to ship the dirty oil west to British Columbia but both Saskatchewan and BC rejected the plan. They didn't it running thru their provinces.

Well, it's moot for awhile. The Senate didn't have enough support to override the veto.

Thank God there's some true Conservatives out there. As in 'conserve', to not waste.

5-0

[Sooner8th]

I can't help but think that Obama's decision to stop keystone was in direct correlation to helping his buddy Buffet grow his railroad. More money for Buffet means more money for Obama and the Dems...


eminent domain is terrible,unless it falls directly in the scope of positive personal interest of the Obama's and buffet's of the world. Pipeline is bad! it will destroy the aquifer!! its takes away private land!!! Railroad much better.Railroad much safer. Eminent domain is ok for railroad development . Obama used the EPA report to shut down keystone, and allow buffet to prosper.

You have got to me kidding me.................helping buffet? Laughable........new conspiracy theory.

[Sooner in Tampa]

^^^^^^^^^ Troll ^^^^^^^^^^^

Lying, stinking, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

What's the value of a major spill of very dirty oil that makes it way into the aquifer ?

We're still waiting on BP to clean up their mess in the Gulf. Oh, but offshore drilling is perfectly safe.

The real danger is when some private foreign company wants to take your land by using our own laws.



5-0

get yourfacts straight. The Ogallalla is so deep, no, I mean, no amount of oil spill out of a pipeline rupture would come close to any part of the formation.

what is being wasted? The dilbit would be shipped to the Gulf Coast for upgrading and put mostly into the U.S. Market for gas and diesel and jet fuel. Somemay be shipped out of the U.S. But not thebulk...

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

You have got to me kidding me.................helping buffet? Laughable........new conspiracy theory.

great retort. When you have no valid argument, just call it laughable and claim conspiracy theory. dumbass