Putin backing down?

[8timechamps]

Today, Putin made a speech and in it said a war with Ukraine would be "apocalyptic". He went on to say "I believe such a scenario is unlikely and believe it will never get to that point". He pointed to the Minsk agreement as the process that will "normalize" the situation.

The sanctions have obviously had an affect on the Russian economy, and the (rare) international pressure that has been put on Putin/Russia seem to be having a positive affect. Putin isn't stupid, surely he realized that further escalating the situation in Ukraine would more than likely force the US's hand (to weaponize the Ukrainian troops), and any further escalation would seriously put Russia in jeopardy of further retaliation.

It appears that he's feeling the heat at home, and is possibly ready to back off.

In the meantime, CNN (I know, I know) reports that 81% of the Russians polled have anti-American feelings. Supposedly the highest since the cold war. Personally, I could care less, but I did find it kind of funny that the Kremlin's propaganda machine is still in working order. They (CNN) had a quote from a lady that said "They (the US) want to take half of Russia". I can't even imagine how the situation would have to be spun in order for an average citizen to believe that. Then again, the "average citizen" here isn't too smart, so it's probably not much different there.

Here's the article (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/24/europe/ukraine-russia-conflict/index.html), if you're interested.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I think Putin is smart but, he's crazy as a **** house rat and is not predictable. Also, comparing the USA's average citizen with Russia's average citizen, is nowhere near the same, IMO.

[SicEmBaylor]

I think Putin is smart but, he's crazy as a **** house rat and is not predictable.
Actually, he isn't crazy at all. In fact, he's coldly rational. Everything he has done in his career from beginning to now has been extremely calculated; however, he definitely pushes the envelope. He has clearly over-reached in Ukraine, but he did get the entire Crimea peninsula out of it. Putin has also out maneuvered us in the middle east to the point that it's flat out embarrassing.

I've actually met the man, once.

[SCOUT]

Actually, he isn't crazy at all. In fact, he's coldly rational. Everything he has done in his career from beginning to now has been extremely calculated; however, he definitely pushes the envelope. He has clearly over-reached in Ukraine, but he did get the entire Crimea peninsula out of it. Putin has also out maneuvered us in the middle east to the point that it's flat out embarrassing.

I've actually met the man, once.

Putin being calculating and clever does not exclude the notion that he is crazy. There are lots of examples of crazy individuals of his sort.

[SicEmBaylor]

Putin being calculating and clever does not exclude the notion that he is crazy. There are lots of examples of crazy individuals of his sort.

Fair point, but I still wouldn't say he's crazy -- at least not by Russian standards.

[olevetonahill]

Fair point, but I still wouldn't say he's crazy -- at least not by Russian standards.

But we{the ones calling him Crazy} aint Russian! And what does you havin met him have to do with him being Crazy or not?

[SicEmBaylor]

But we{the ones calling him Crazy} aint Russian! And what does you havin met him have to do with him being Crazy or not?

Nothing whatsoever. I was just saying it was cool I got the chance to meet the guy. FWIW, I have a begrudging respect for Putin.

[olevetonahill]

Nothing whatsoever. I was just saying it was cool I got the chance to meet the guy. FWIW, I have a begrudging respect for Putin.

But you rode a Moped and drank Zima, YOU dont count :devilish:

[SicEmBaylor]

But you rode a Moped and drank Zima, YOU dont count :devilish:

I've never driven or rode a moped nor have I ever actually drank Zima, so my opinion is doubly valid.

[olevetonahill]

I've never driven or rode a moped nor have I ever actually drank Zima, so my opinion is doubly valid.

Ya got lost going to Austin er somesuch by way of Amarillo :boxing:

[Curly Bill]

I think more highly of Putin than I do the Loser-in-Chief ruining our country.

[olevetonahill]

I think more highly of Putin than I do the Loser-in-Chief ruining our country.

Well ya got me there :drunk:

[8timechamps]

I think Putin is smart but, he's crazy as a **** house rat and is not predictable. Also, comparing the USA's average citizen with Russia's average citizen, is nowhere near the same, IMO.

Of course there are major differences, but when you start polling the public here in the US, it doesn't take long to see that many are ignorant. I suspect it's similar in Russia.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Actually, he isn't crazy at all. In fact, he's coldly rational. Everything he has done in his career from beginning to now has been extremely calculated; however, he definitely pushes the envelope. He has clearly over-reached in Ukraine, but he did get the entire Crimea peninsula out of it. Putin has also out maneuvered us in the middle east to the point that it's flat out embarrassing.

I think Putin will do what he wants, and the USA will do nothing to stop him, with the possible exception of some embargos.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I think more highly of Putin than I do the Loser-in-Chief ruining our country.It would appear that in Russia they expect authoritarianism. Not so much here in the USA.

[SicEmBaylor]

I think Putin will do what he wants, and the USA will do nothing to stop him, with the possible exception of some embargos.

He's not going to do whatever he wants; he's going to do whatever he thinks he can get by with. In any case, why the hell should we stop Russia from doing anything at all unless they attack us? How is it our business what he does in Eastern Europe? Spoiler alert: It isn't.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

He's not going to do whatever he wants; he's going to do whatever he thinks he can get by with. In any case, why the hell should we stop Russia from doing anything at all unless they attack us? How is it our business what he does in Eastern Europe? Spoiler alert: It isn't.yawn. being argumentative when there's no need.

[Sooner8th]

I think Putin will do what he wants, and the USA will do nothing to stop him, with the possible exception of some embargos.What do you want us to do?

[SicEmBaylor]

yawn. being argumentative when there's no need.

I'm not being argumentative at all. I think it's worth discussing why anyone would think it's our role or responsibility to "stop" Russia from doing what it wants -- Russia is a sovereign nation perfectly within its rights to act in its own self-interests. It is not in the self-interest of the United States to interfere in their affairs in eastern Europe or anywhere else unless or until they directly move against American territory.

[SicEmBaylor]

What do you want us to do?

I suspect he wants us to bomb Moscow. Will he be the first to volunteer to throw a saddle on the first ICBM and ride that bitch to glory?

[dwarthog]

I suspect he wants us to bomb Moscow. Will he be the first to volunteer to throw a saddle on the first ICBM and ride that bitch to glory?

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k19/dwarthog/strangelove_zpsoijcg6lz.jpg (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/dwarthog/media/strangelove_zpsoijcg6lz.jpg.html)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm not being argumentative at all. I think it's worth discussing why anyone would think it's our role or responsibility to "stop" Russia from doing what it wants -- Russia is a sovereign nation perfectly within its rights to act in its own self-interests. It is not in the self-interest of the United States to interfere in their affairs in eastern Europe or anywhere else unless or until they directly move against American territory.You have made the assumption that I think we should stop Russia from doing what it wants. Twice, apparently

[SicEmBaylor]

You have made the assumption that I think we should stop Russia from doing what it wants. Twice, apparently

Well, I kind of made that assumption because you criticized the Administration for not stopping Russia.

[FaninAma]

What Putin says and what he does are 2 different things. He will simply wait and watch as Obama's position weakens over the next 2 years as his foreign policy credibility continues to crater.

[SicEmBaylor]

What Putin says and what he does are 2 different things. He will simply wait and watch as Obama's position weakens over the next 2 years as his foreign policy credibility continues to crater.

Putin outmaneuvered Obama on Syria like a jujitsu master would outmaneuver an 8 year old.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Well, I kind of made that assumption because you criticized the Administration for not stopping Russia.I said all Beary would do is maybe some embargo stuff.

[SoonerProphet]

The assassination of Boris Nemstov adds to the downward spiral.

[Sooner8th]

I said all Beary would do is maybe some embargo stuff.Is there something more you want him to do?

[Sooner in Tampa]

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Lying, stinking, no paragraph writing, worthless POS troll. Proven liar. Copy and paste plagiarist thief. Lowlife, ignorant scum.

[8timechamps]

I'm not being argumentative at all. I think it's worth discussing why anyone would think it's our role or responsibility to "stop" Russia from doing what it wants -- Russia is a sovereign nation perfectly within its rights to act in its own self-interests. It is not in the self-interest of the United States to interfere in their affairs in eastern Europe or anywhere else unless or until they directly move against American territory.

The NATO agreement makes any moves within NATO countries our business. So, it's entirely possible that Putin extends his ambition to include the baltic states, at which point we wouldn't have a choice. I seriously doubt Putin would be that foolish, but it's certainly a possibility, and a real enough one to encourage leaders of those states to ask for NATO to step up their presence within their borders.

[SicEmBaylor]

The NATO agreement makes any moves within NATO countries our business. So, it's entirely possible that Putin extends his ambition to include the baltic states, at which point we wouldn't have a choice. I seriously doubt Putin would be that foolish, but it's certainly a possibility, and a real enough one to encourage leaders of those states to ask for NATO to step up their presence within their borders.

Yes, but we should have pulled out of NATO at the end of the Cold War. No reason to still be bound by that nonsense.

[SicEmBaylor]

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