Say hows that Employment thing looking again?

[olevetonahill]

This just ONE company
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-sandridge-cutting-rig-count-75-percent-document-183115173--finance.html

[Sooner8th]

This just ONE company
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-sandridge-cutting-rig-count-75-percent-document-183115173--finance.html

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU ARE A JOKE. ONE COMPANY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pretty damn good! Obama's second term on pace to be the best ever for private sector job growth (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?185997-OH-NO-Obama-s-second-term-on-pace-to-be-the-best-ever-for-private-sector-job-growth)

[olevetonahill]

another one
http://www.clintondailynews.com/news/baker-hughes-lays-62
Thats just in Clinton.


Baker Hughes Will "Surgically" Cut 7,000 Workers By March

http://oilpro.com/post/9835/developing-baker-hughes-to-lay-off-7000-workers-march

[Breadburner]

FYI...Dildo alert in this thread.....

[jkjsooner]

Pretty crappy from my end. Lost my job of 20 years last week.

My group has been laying people off about once or twice a year for almost a decade so it was just a matter of time I guess. Now I get to compete with all of the IBM layoffs from RTP...

[olevetonahill]

Pretty crappy from my end. Lost my job of 20 years last week.

My group has been laying people off about once or twice a year for almost a decade so it was just a matter of time I guess. Now I get to compete with all of the IBM layoffs from RTP...

Sorry bro. I fear this is just the Tip, all these Oilfield jobs being lost will ripple out to other business's

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

just the Tip

thats what she said....

[olevetonahill]

thats what she said....

http://www.olevetpossehideout.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://www.olevetpossehideout.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[olevetonahill]

Halliburton to cut thousands of jobs as oil slumps

I feel sad for these folks.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/halliburton-expects-cut-8-percent-193005695.html

[Soonerjeepman]

it's all those damn filthy rich oil barons wanting ALL THE MONEY....they really don't NEED to lay off those folks~

[Sooner in Tampa]

Hmmm...

Edison's plans to cut jobs, hire foreign workers is assailed

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-edison-layoffs-20150211-story.html

[Sooner in Tampa]

2015 Layoffs Blow the Cover Off the Job "Recovery"

http://moneymorning.com/2015/02/04/2015-layoffs-blow-the-cover-off-the-job-recovery/

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

you guys are going to make 8th Cry. buncha meanies!

[olevetonahill]

you guys are going to make 8th Cry. buncha meanies!

Ya notice the whiney bitch aint in this thread defendin Obammy right?
I predict a rough next few years for all of us.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

because he's a *****

[olevetonahill]

because he's a *****

I know yer just being Polite so Ill say it fer ya bro
"Because hes Whinny Bitch dooshrocket"

Is that what ya was trying to politely say?:encouragement:

[Soonerjeepman]

lol...nice one Vet

[Sooner in Tampa]

Ya notice the whiney bitch aint in this thread defendin Obammy right?
I predict a rough next few years for all of us.
He is busy going thru Google to find libtard sites that paint a rosey picture full of unicorns and fairy dust

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

ation tendan
I know yer just being Polite so Ill say it fer ya bro
"Because hes Whinny Bitch dooshrocket"

Is that what ya was trying to politely say?:encouragement:

i was going with stupid *** fvcknut with autoerotic asphyxiation tendancies, but that'll do

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

He is busy going thru Google to find libtard sites that paint a rosey picture full of unicorns and fairy dust



well in his defense, if he says that unicorns and fairies are real, then it must be true. after all...he is a fairy, so there's that

[olevetonahill]

ation tendan

i was going with stupid *** fvcknut with autoerotic asphyxiation tendancies, but that'll do

My Bad. LOL

[Sooner8th]

Ya notice the whiney bitch aint in this thread defendin Obammy right? I predict a rough next few years for all of us.Blowing the cover off the jobs "recovery". You dumbasses are math challenged. Planned layoffs for 2015 - 53,041 in January. About the same as last october. HUH. Let's see, jobs added in JANUARY 2015 257 THOUSAND. Obama would have to lose 8.25 MILLION jobs over the last 24 months to match dubya sterling record of LOSING 825 THOUSAND jobs in eight long misable years. Remind me again who all voted for dumbass dubya TWICE. Come on raise your hands boys, who voted for dubya twice. bitch

[REDREX]

Oil at $49 is going to cause many more layoffs in the coming months---Most will not be announced-----Anyone see that the pipe plant that the idiot Ed Schultz is always at is having layoffs----due to falling demand for pipe. Too bad Barack is blocking the Keystone pipeline that would produce a great deal of demand for pipe----Why does Barack hate the American Steel worker?-----Maybe its the war on steel

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

personally, i'm all for laying a lot of pipe...

[jkjsooner]

Sorry bro. I fear this is just the Tip, all these Oilfield jobs being lost will ripple out to other business's

Thanks, Vet.

Had an interview today and the contracting firm called me at 5:00 and said they were offering me the position paying slightly more than I was making. They create and configure virtualization software for research institutions. (I didn't know exactly what that meant a week ago.) Apparently it helps to spend a week or so downloading their software and playing around with it. I was the only condidate who did that. (Might be the only one who was out of work and had time to do it.)


Anyway, back to the topic. This really sucks for the oil workers. I have a BIL who is a land man and while he says he's doing okay I have to wonder. It's hard to say what it means for the country as a whole. There are obviously benefits to lower energy prices in every sector other than the energy sector.

Sucks how the energy sector is so volatile. It's the Saudis and they're going to do what they want to do. I personally think we should subsidize domestic production to keep the oil and natural gas production online and encourage further investment. That's a tough one. First the WTO would probably sue. Secondly, the liberals don't want "energy subsidies". Third, conservatives really don't want to meddle in private business. I just think in this instance we have a national interest to protect our energy sectors - not necessarily the jobs themselves (although I of course would be happy with that as a byproduct) but we simply can't allow Saudi Arabia to devastate our energy sector every 20 years for their own strategic interests.

[okie52]

Jkj....glad to hear you got a new job so quickly.

[Sooner8th]

Thanks, Vet.Had an interview today and the contracting firm called me at 5:00 and said they were offering me the position paying slightly more than I was making. They create and configure virtualization software for research institutions. (I didn't know exactly what that meant a week ago.) Apparently it helps to spend a week or so downloading their software and playing around with it. I was the only condidate who did that. (Might be the only one who was out of work and had time to do it.)Anyway, back to the topic. This really sucks for the oil workers. I have a BIL who is a land man and while he says he's doing okay I have to wonder. It's hard to say what it means for the country as a whole. There are obviously benefits to lower energy prices in every sector other than the energy sector.Sucks how the energy sector is so volatile. It's the Saudis and they're going to do what they want to do. I personally think we should subsidize domestic production to keep the oil and natural gas production online and encourage further investment. That's a tough one. First the WTO would probably sue. Secondly, the liberals don't want "energy subsidies". Third, conservatives really don't want to meddle in private business. I just think in this instance we have a national interest to protect our energy sectors - not necessarily the jobs themselves (although I of course would be happy with that as a byproduct) but we simply can't allow Saudi Arabia to devastate our energy sector every 20 years for their own strategic interests.Good for you on the job. Nice when an economy is growing there are opportunities for people who know how to prep for an interview. I have to disagree with you about subsidies. Oil have been subsidizes for years. Liberals don't think we should subsidize them when oil is high and profits are great. We also think that we shouldn't cut alternative energy subsidies if you are not going to cut oil subsidies. Wouldn't the government interfering the private market to ensure there are no downturns socialism?

[REDREX]

How is oil subsidized?

[olevetonahill]

Jkj....glad to hear you got a new job so quickly.

What Okie said Bro.
I wish we had spent the Billions and Billions developing OUR own Oil fields back in the day instead of the Ahabs .

If we QUIT spending Billions and Trillions on Protecting Ahab oil and spent that money HERE this country would be Prosperous again

[olevetonahill]

How is oil subsidized?

You must be talking to the Asstalker!

[Sooner8th]

How is oil subsidized?For one depletion.

[REDREX]

For one depletion.---Depletion is like depreciation used in other areas---What great breaks do they get?------How much money has the Gov't pissed away on subsides and tax breaks for green energy?

[Sooner in Tampa]

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2015/02/09/companies-cutting-the-most-jobs/

10. Amgen Inc.
> Job cuts: 4,000
> Number of employees: 18,000
> 1yr. share price change: +27.28%
In recent years, biotechnology company Amgen has reduced its global workforce as part of its restructuring plan to focus on drug development. While layoffs in the technology sector more than doubled between the first halves of 2013 and 2014, job cuts in the pharmaceutical industry declined in that time, falling by 15.4%. Despite the industry trend, the company announced in August it would cut 2,900 employees. In October, Amgen announced it would close a research and development facility in Seattle that would result in an additional 1,100 job cuts, bringing the 2014 total to about 4,000. The restructuring plan will reduce the company’s workforce by up to 15% and includes the closure of several facilities in Washington and Colorado. Amgen reported strong earnings in 2013 and in 2014. According to the company, the layoffs are “natural steps in a long-term strategy.”

9. Procter & Gamble
> Job cuts: 4,430
> Number of employees: 118,000
> 1yr. share price change: +11.72%
Procter & Gamble announced in early November it would cut 4,430 jobs, the ninth highest number of announced job cuts reviewed. Last year marks the fourth consecutive year the consumer products company has reduced its total workforce. As of 2014, there were 118,000 Procter & Gamble employees, versus 132,000 in 2009. As is the case with many other companies, cost-cutting measures such as layoffs are often part of a strategy to maintain consistent income growth. P&G’s net sales have grown each year since as early as 2012. The company reported net sales of $83.1 billion in the 12 months prior to June 2014. In addition to slashing employment, P&G also announced in August that it would eliminate as many as 100 underperforming brands to further improve results.

8. Sprint Corp.
> Job cuts: 5,000
> Number of employees: 36,000
> 1yr. share price change: -40.27%
Sprint Corporation, one of the nation’s largest cellphone carriers, stated at the end of October it would lay off 5,000 workers for restructuring purposes. Earlier that month Sprint cut 452 jobs at its headquarters in Kansas. Sprint had 36,000 employees at the end of 2014, down from the approximately 38,000 employees it had the year before. Despite the layoffs, Sprint may roughly double its store count in a deal with RadioShack, which recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. If the deal is finalized, Sprint would operate as a store-within-a-store in nearly 2,000 Radio Shacks.

7. Intel Corp.
> Job cuts: 5,350
> Number of employees: 106,700
> 1yr. share price change: +35.66%
At the start of 2014, after poor earnings and growth forecasts, Intel announced it would implement cost cutting measures. Part of the measures included plans to reduce its global workforce by 5,350 people, or 5% of its headcount, throughout the year. According to Intel spokesperson Chris Kraeuter, the cuts would primarily consist of “people retiring, redeploying, or leaving voluntarily.” In addition, the chip maker announced in April that it was shutting down its assembly and test operations in Costa Rica. While this eliminated 1,500 jobs, Intel continued to employ more than 1,000 engineering, finance, and human resources workers in the country.

6. Sears Holdings
> Job cuts: 5,400
> Number of employees: 249,000
> 1yr. share price change: -9.32%
While layoffs are not always a sign of weak revenue, retail holding company Sears has been closing stores and shedding employees for years as a result of faltering sales. The company reported revenue of $36.2 billion for the 12 months through February 1, 2014, down by more than $3.6 billion from the previous period. According to Challenger, Gray, & Christmas, Sears announced in October 5,400 job cuts, the sixth largest compared with other U.S. public companies. However, Sears is closing stores so fast that it may be difficult to keep track. In 2014, the company closed 235 stores, most of which were Kmart locations. The layoffs were announced at a time when most retailers were hiring workers for the holiday season. As of the beginning of 2014, Sears had roughly 226,000 U.S. employees, including part-time workers.

5. Coldwater Creek
> Job cuts: 5,500
> Number of employees: N/A
> 1yr. share price change: -92.84%
Women’s apparel retailer Coldwater Creek filed for bankruptcy in April after it was unable to find a buyer for its operations. Shareholders in the company were wiped out as the company began the process of closing its 350 stores and laying off its 5,500 workers. However, there may be a silver lining for at least a few employees. As part of bankruptcy proceedings, other retailers bought a number of Coldwater Creek’s leases. While most employees may be out of luck, customers may be able to soon buy Coldwater Creek merchandise again. Private equity firm Sycamore Partners bought the Coldwater Creek brand name. The new owner relaunched the brand as Coldwater Creek Direct, an online retailer that aims to sell women apparel via a catalog.

4. JPMorgan Chase
> Job cuts: 5,500
> Number of employees: 241,359
> 1yr. share price change: +4.59%
JPMorgan Chase announced last February it would cut 3,500 jobs in its consumer banking division, and another 2,000 in its mortgage department, the fourth highest combined number of job cuts announced by a U.S. public company. The cuts will continue this year, as the head of the consumer banking division Gordon Smith announced additional layoff plans this month. Smith has attributed layoffs to cost-cutting efforts and the growing popularity of mobile banking, which has grown dramatically in recent years and requires much less personnel. According to the The Columbus Dispatch, the company reduced its labor force by an estimated 27,000 jobs over the two years through 2014. The decline in headcount, while officially part of a restructuring effort, was also likely linked to the fallout from the housing crisis. Earlier this year, JPMorgan agreed to pay $500 million to conclude a six-year class action lawsuit filed against the bank’s subsidiary, Bear Stearns, for negligent mortgage loan practices.

3. Cisco System Inc.
> Job cuts: 6,000
> Number of employees: 72,247
> 1yr. share price change: +24.33%
On August 24, Cisco announced plans to eliminate 6,000 jobs, or about 8% of its global staff. Counting its most recent cuts, Cisco has eliminated nearly 26,000 jobs since the start of 2009. Stagnant growth forecasts are likely the chief catalyst in Cisco’s job cuts. The company faces a challenging shift as customers move from using its core expensive hardware to using new, less expensive software advancements. While Cisco has been buying software companies and ramping up its development of more competitive products, a transition to a more software-oriented business model will likely result in revenues continuing to come under pressure. This likely also means the company will continue to reduce headcount, according to Brian Marshall, an analyst at International Strategy & Investment Group LLC, as quoted on Bloomberg.

2. Microsoft
> Job cuts: 18,000
> Number of employees: 128,000
> 1yr. share price change: +12.08%
Only Hewlett-Packard Co. announced more job cuts than Microsoft in 2014. In July, the company said it would cut roughly 18,000 jobs over the course of a year as part of its restructuring plan. More than 12,000 of these layoffs were related to the company’s recent acquisition of Nokia Devices and Services. Other cuts included the closure of the company’s Silicon Valley research facility. In addition to layoffs, Microsoft also announced in July it would take a restructuring charge of between $1.1 billion and $1.6 billion. The impact this may have on the company’s bottom line, however, could be relatively small — Microsoft reported more than $22 billion in net earnings over the 12 months through June last year, up from the same period 2013.

1. Hewlett-Packard Co.
> Job cuts: 21,000
> Number of employees: 302,000
> 1yr. share price change: +30.90%
Likely due in part to falling demand for personal computers, Hewlett-Packard’s revenue has fallen each year since 2011, when it reported revenue of $127 billion. The company employed roughly 350,000 people at that time, but this figure has fallen in proportion with the computer maker’s sales. In May, HP announced it would fire about 16,000 employees as part of a multi-year restructuring plan. The company announced an additional 5,000 job cuts in October, bringing the total cuts announced to 21,000, far more than any other public American company reviewed. In total, the plan could reduce HP’s workforce by at least 50,000 employees. As of October 31st, HP employed 302,000 workers worldwide.

[SoonerorLater]

Going to get a lot worse

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-12/chart-day-profits-and-sales-are-crumbling

[soonercoop1]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU ARE A JOKE. ONE COMPANY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pretty damn good! Obama's second term on pace to be the best ever for private sector job growth (http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?185997-OH-NO-Obama-s-second-term-on-pace-to-be-the-best-ever-for-private-sector-job-growth)

liberal leftist progressive crony capitalism at its best...

[hawaii 5-0]

Dow over 18,000 now. All time high.

What was it when Obama took over........ 7,000 ?


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[Sooner8th]

liberal leftist progressive crony capitalism at its best...So now it's crony capitalism huh? Well, if it is we will take it over losing 825 THOUSAND PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS like bush did. Tell me did all of the 7.5 MILLION jobs generated under obama come from cronys of obama? All of those PRIVATE SECTOR jobs came from friends of obama? NO. This is nothing more than not wanting to acknowledge there is a recovery from the great rescission REPUBLICANS caused under a democratic president. As for how that employment thing looking again? Pretty damn well.............."In the week ending February 14, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 283,000, a decrease of 21,000 from the previous week's unrevised level of 304,000. The 4-week moving average was 283,250, a decrease of 6,500 from the previous week's unrevised average of 289,750." http://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pdf

[REDREX]

So now it's crony capitalism huh? Well, if it is we will take it over losing 825 THOUSAND PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS like bush did. Tell me did all of the 7.5 MILLION jobs generated under obama come from cronys of obama? All of those PRIVATE SECTOR jobs came from friends of obama? NO. This is nothing more than not wanting to acknowledge there is a recovery from the great rescission REPUBLICANS caused under a democratic president. As for how that employment thing looking again? Pretty damn well.............."In the week ending February 14, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 283,000, a decrease of 21,000 from the previous week's unrevised level of 304,000. The 4-week moving average was 283,250, a decrease of 6,500 from the previous week's unrevised average of 289,750." http://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pdf----You are always using that Bush job loss number are you trying to say that the economy lost that many jobs during the two Bush terms?

[Sooner8th]

----You are always using that Bush job loss number are you trying to say that the economy lost that many jobs during the two Bush terms?You really don't know this? I though it was liberals who were the "low information" voters. You pretend on here that you know so much about the economy. From now on keep your ignorance to yourself. But I was wrong - I quoted 825k of private sector job losses under bushes eight years. I was 665 THOUSAND PRIVATE SECTOR JOB LOSSES UNDER GEORGE W. BUSH IN EIGHT YEARS. Now PUBLIC employment went up 1.75 MILLION for a net of 1.1 MILLION - ALL GOOBERMENT JOBS. GO DUBYA BO DUBYA GO DUBYA GO DUBYA GO. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/04/public-and-private-sector-payroll-jobs-bush-and-obama.html

[REDREX]

You really don't know this? I though it was liberals who were the "low information" voters. You pretend on here that you know so much about the economy. From now on keep your ignorance to yourself. But I was wrong - I quoted 825k of private sector job losses under bushes eight years. I was 665 THOUSAND PRIVATE SECTOR JOB LOSSES UNDER GEORGE W. BUSH IN EIGHT YEARS. Now PUBLIC employment went up 1.75 MILLION for a net of 1.1 MILLION - ALL GOOBERMENT JOBS. GO DUBYA BO DUBYA GO DUBYA GO DUBYA GO. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/04/public-and-private-sector-payroll-jobs-bush-and-obama.html--- You are one arrogant little prick--I am betting small man syndrome

[Sooner8th]

--- You are one arrogant little prick--I am betting small man syndromeYou are one ignorant little prick - I'm betting it is as small as your mind. Don't want to talk about the facts of dubya's failed job creation? Or should i say loss? Tell me who is kicking whose *** in creating jobs?

[rock on sooner]

As I sit here watching UK kick Auburn's backside in roundball and
reading this thread....hmmmm, 8th is a nuckin' futz dweeb in how
he makes his arguments but the facts are there, he's pretty much
right and all the belittling that you do can't change anything. W
RILLY screwed a bunch of stuff up and the current prez, right, wrong
or indifferent, on his watch, has fixed a BUNCH of what was not
right and it appears, stock market, job market and domestic market
in general is on the way to recovery. You guys on the right can knash
your teeth, belittle all you want and it won't change a thing. This "non-
citizen, America disliking, Muslim loving" (these are your phrases) is
on a track that appears to fix many things that need to be fixed. Now,
we can all hold hands and wait for Graham and McCain to beat the boots
on the ground war drums in the Senate and $#^$ *&^% even more...
Sure happy that this is an OPINION board!:tongue::glee::biggrin:

[olevetonahill]

As I sit here watching UK kick Auburn's backside in roundball and
reading this thread....hmmmm, 8th is a nuckin' futz dweeb in how
he makes his arguments but the facts are there, he's pretty much
right and all the belittling that you do can't change anything. W
RILLY screwed a bunch of stuff up and the current prez, right, wrong
or indifferent, on his watch, has fixed a BUNCH of what was not
right and it appears, stock market, job market and domestic market
in general is on the way to recovery. You guys on the right can knash
your teeth, belittle all you want and it won't change a thing. This "non-
citizen, America disliking, Muslim loving" (these are your phrases) is
on a track that appears to fix many things that need to be fixed. Now,
we can all hold hands and wait for Graham and McCain to beat the boots
on the ground war drums in the Senate and $#^$ *&^% even more...
Sure happy that this is an OPINION board!:tongue::glee::biggrin:

Holy hell Ya done went to the Dark side.

If any one really Believes that "Their" man did every thing right and is the Reason things are going Great they are delusional at best.

I poke fun at 8th cause hes a ****ing idiot, Not because I think W was a better Pres. Bout the only Pres we have had in recent memory is Reagan and he wernt no Saint.

[rock on sooner]

Naw, Vet, I aint gone to tha dark side, just tha one that looks at all
tha stuff that is being reported all over tha place. He!!, I know it aint
all right but most of it is...while I aint buyin' all of it, a dayum bunch
of it is right and ya caint say it aint! I'd just as soon not argue one way
er tha tother, but I jus caint not say some of this stuff is right.....imo...

[hawaii 5-0]

Better to not get caught up in the extremist posers. Moderation is the way to go.

Still good for entertainment value tho. Both sides.

5-0

[champions77]

On track to fix many of the things that need fixin?
I guess you are right rock on if you don't consider the plight of the middle class,(wages have decreased) the influence we've lost world wide, the territory now occupied by our adversaries, the enormous debt that has accumulated by BHO (will be 10 Trillion before he leaves office) the covers up with Fast and Furious, IRS war on conservatives, the VA problems, the Benghazi cover-up (a video made them attack that embassy, couldn't be my foreign policy) the class warfare he's engaged in, the race situation he has made worse, outright lies and misinformation on Obamacare, and the fact that for the first time in our history, we have 50 million on food stamps and now have as many people on some type of government assistance as we do off of government assistance. Does it seem a little odd that our President can blame Christians for some dastardly deeds committed almost 1,000 years ago, but he can't blame Muslims for some atrocity that happened yesterday? First president that proclaimed the we are NOT a Christian Nation, despite that some 80% of us proclaim we are Christians. Do you think that he would he would ever say that Iran is not a Muslim nation?
Hasn't touched social security which if left alone will be forced to reduce payments in the next 15-18 years, or addressed the billions in waste and fraud in EVERY federal program, that he has previously acknowledged, but has done nothing about. He has exceeded his authority in many instances, the executive action on immigration is the latest. Leadership to him is not meeting with the other side to find common ground like his predecessors have done. It's blame them for everything and go it alone. The US Supreme Court has called him out before, and there is a good chance that will again on the immigration issue. The only government budget that he has cut has been the defense department. A dubious decision based on what we see today with Russia, Iran and the rise of all Islamic terrorists groups.
I could go on, but you get the point. We should have all taken notice when he exclaimed that he was going to fundamentally transform this Nation. Few paid attention.

Speaks volumes about this Country that someone with his background and lack of any real accomplishments could be elected to the highest office in the first place, and then re-elected, is incomprehensible.

[Soonerjeepman]

well said 77, well said.

[hawaii 5-0]

Speaks volumes about this Country that someone with his background and lack of any real accomplishments could be elected to the highest office in the first place, and then re-elected, is incomprehensible.


Makes ya wanna think he wasn't even born in this country, yeah ?

Saw a show (The Today Show) this morning and it showed clips of Dubya and Cheney saying that this wasn't a war on Islamic Terrorism per se, but on terrorism being wrapped around pseudo Islamic beliefs. Obama's not the only one.

The terrorists would like nothing more than to try to make this war a Holy War, using Islam as a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims. When they attack other Muslims, as they've done many times it shows they're not fighting a Holy War, but are just terrorists plain and simple. To call them Islamic Terrorists does nothing but enable them to other Muslims.

It's not our fight. If the Iraqis want their country so bad let them fight for it. It should be split in 3 parts, Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites each in their own territory.

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[Sooner8th]

On track to fix many of the things that need fixin? I guess you are right rock on if you don't consider the plight of the middle class,(wages have decreased) the influence we've lost world wide, the territory now occupied by our adversaries, the enormous debt that has accumulated by BHO (will be 10 Trillion before he leaves office) the covers up with Fast and Furious, IRS war on conservatives, the VA problems, the Benghazi cover-up (a video made them attack that embassy, couldn't be my foreign policy) the class warfare he's engaged in, the race situation he has made worse, outright lies and misinformation on Obamacare, and the fact that for the first time in our history, we have 50 million on food stamps and now have as many people on some type of government assistance as we do off of government assistance. Does it seem a little odd that our President can blame Christians for some dastardly deeds committed almost 1,000 years ago, but he can't blame Muslims for some atrocity that happened yesterday? First president that proclaimed the we are NOT a Christian Nation, despite that some 80% of us proclaim we are Christians. Do you think that he would he would ever say that Iran is not a Muslim nation?Hasn't touched social security which if left alone will be forced to reduce payments in the next 15-18 years, or addressed the billions in waste and fraud in EVERY federal program, that he has previously acknowledged, but has done nothing about. He has exceeded his authority in many instances, the executive action on immigration is the latest. Leadership to him is not meeting with the other side to find common ground like his predecessors have done. It's blame them for everything and go it alone. The US Supreme Court has called him out before, and there is a good chance that will again on the immigration issue. The only government budget that he has cut has been the defense department. A dubious decision based on what we see today with Russia, Iran and the rise of all Islamic terrorists groups. I could go on, but you get the point. We should have all taken notice when he exclaimed that he was going to fundamentally transform this Nation. Few paid attention.Speaks volumes about this Country that someone with his background and lack of any real accomplishments could be elected to the highest office in the first place, and then re-elected, is incomprehensible.See conservatives do get their "news" from faux "news". Middle class wages have been decreasing since 1980, since when do conservatives/republicans want employees to make more money? . The influence we lost in the world is a direct result of not finding wmd's in iraq. Obama took over a $1.2 TRILLION a year deficit lowering it to $468 BILLION, did you want him to lowering to zero his first year? Why didn't conservatives hold reagan who tripled the debt, bush I double it and bush II double to the same standard. Fast and furious is an extension of a bush administration program. IRS "war" on conservatives LAUGHABLE. They did the same thing to liberals - but you ignore that fact. The irs was doing their JOB. How did we have 50 million on food stamps? The great republican recession. We are not a christian nation - the Treaty of Tripoli made that very clear in 1796 signed by founding father John Adams - "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli So you want to cut social security a program that has been paid into for decades? Obama has repeatedly met with repuclian leaders. How many times did republican leadership tell obama they wouldn't meet with him because your base would freak out. Laughable about finding common ground - fully 1/3 of the stimulas package was tax cut that republicans wanted and not only did a couple of repubclians vote for it they then went out and railed against it - but of course requesting funds from it left and right. Of course defense spending was cut - he ended two wars. Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/ Facts again don't back up your spending claims. As for fundamentally transform this Nation here is the context of what he said - "Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America."In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor." This is the fundamentally transform this Nation he was talking about.

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Makes ya wanna think he wasn't even born in this country, yeah ?Saw a show (The Today Show) this morning and it showed clips of Dubya and Cheney saying that this wasn't a war on Islamic Terrorism per se, but on terrorism being wrapped around pseudo Islamic beliefs. Obama's not the only one. The terrorists would like nothing more than to try to make this war a Holy War, using Islam as a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims. When they attack other Muslims, as they've done many times it shows they're not fighting a Holy War, but are just terrorists plain and simple. To call them Islamic Terrorists does nothing but enable them to other Muslims.It's not our fight. If the Iraqis want their country so bad let them fight for it. It should be split in 3 parts, Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites each in their own territory.5-0Do not confuse them with some facts from dubya and cheney saying the same thing. I wish these guys would tell us what bush's and reagan's "real accomplishments" were before being elected to office.

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Champ, I won't go point by point...you are right on many...but, I would point
out about the wage thing...they are ticking back up...but, want to know why
they were stuck...big business figured out that so many were afraid to lose the
job they had that they accepted heavier workload (no new hiring...slowed the
job growth) with no pay increase and had to increase production in the normal
40 hour week...no overtime, doncha know...big business profits suffered only
slightly, compared to the worker....hmmmm, widening wealth gap between the
haves and have nots. This approach bled over into nearly every walk of life.
Obamacare? 11.6 million more people have insurance that didn't have before
it...seniors have saved billions upon billions as the doughnut hole closes, huge
numbers of young people stayed on parents' insurance, insurance companies
cannot deny coverage on preexisting conditions...

Social Security, Medicare, immigration all hot button issues...overstepping his
authority? Well, yes, in some cases, but, at least he tried to do something, since
Congress had/has their thumbs up where the sun doesn't shine.

Waste, fraud and abuse of Medicare/Medicaid IS under scrutiny. There has been
a number of providers prosecuted...$9B in Florida and almost as much in TX, off
the top of my head.

Obama has a LOT of faults, no question....but, as to being elected and reelected?
Well, if memory serves, W was elected and reelected, as well. This is certainly a
two way street, just look across the yellow, do not pass, double line.

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Champ, I won't go point by point...you are right on many...but, I would point
out about the wage thing...they are ticking back up...but, want to know why
they were stuck...big business figured out that so many were afraid to lose the
job they had that they accepted heavier workload (no new hiring...slowed the
job growth) with no pay increase and had to increase production in the normal
40 hour week...no overtime, doncha know...big business profits suffered only
slightly, compared to the worker....hmmmm, widening wealth gap between the
haves and have nots. This approach bled over into nearly every walk of life.
Obamacare? 11.6 million more people have insurance that didn't have before
it...seniors have saved billions upon billions as the doughnut hole closes, huge
numbers of young people stayed on parents' insurance, insurance companies
cannot deny coverage on preexisting conditions...

Social Security, Medicare, immigration all hot button issues...overstepping his
authority? Well, yes, in some cases, but, at least he tried to do something, since
Congress had/has their thumbs up where the sun doesn't shine.

Waste, fraud and abuse of Medicare/Medicaid IS under scrutiny. There has been
a number of providers prosecuted...$9B in Florida and almost as much in TX, off
the top of my head.

Obama has a LOT of faults, no question....but, as to being elected and reelected?
Well, if memory serves, W was elected and reelected, as well. This is certainly a
two way street, just look across the yellow, do not pass, double line.

You assume that I was happy with W, and I wasn't. I'm a conservative, W was no conservative. Not the way that he spent money and "enlarged" the federal government. If I didn't like W, I surely would not like BHO.
The Repubs made it crystal clear that any immigration reform would be done by first securing the border, and to me that makes a ton of sense. But BHO largely ignored that request, and did it on his own. You think that is a noble accomplishment, ignoring the opposition party and then doing exactly what he said for six years he could not, to the point of exceeding his authority?
You seem perfectly happy to accept a healthcare plan that would not have ever been passed if he had told the American people the truth. But he lied, on numerous occasions to pass what many believe is the most poorly engineered and ill conceived legislation ever to pass Congress, ever. So 180 million folks that were for the most part happy with their health insurance, are sacrificed so that 11- 12 million are happy? Do you not know the millions that are crazy mad at how high their deductibles are now and how much more they are paying for their health insurance than before and that's ok? But I guess that's how socialism works huh? You make the poor working saps pay more, so that some can have it free, or dirt cheap? Medicare keeps squeezing the doctors in fee reduction that soon you will have a very difficult time finding a doctor that will see you. Most doctors today have to severely limit the number of Medicare patients they see because they can't pay their overhead with what they make on them. As I recall BHO took 700 Billion out of Medicare to help fund the ACA. Those savings of $2,500 a family he promised are not happening and the overall costs of the ACA, according to the latest CBO numbers, are drastically more than what he promised.

His foreign policy "lead from behind" policy has been an utter disaster. His naiveté he shows in dealing with our enemies is hard to fathom. He for some odd reason thinks that apologizing and kissing up to your enemies will somehow buy him some favor, when all it buys you is a lack of respect and your adversaries stepping up their aggressiveness, which we have seen all over the globe. Putin? One of Obama's very first things he did after elected was cancel the Missile defense shield that had been promised for Eastern Europe? Think maybe Poland, Hungary or Romania are wishing now that he hadn't done that?

As far as the economy, would you please name me one pro business program that this President has pushed through Congress that you can point to that has energized this economy? The shovel ready projects that turned out in his words....were not so shovel ready? This economy is performing despite the efforts of BHO. It is riding the natural peaks and valleys that you see in capitalist economic systems. Between the ACA, higher taxes, a ton of new regulations, the EPA thugs harassing businesses, and the specter of Cap and Tax, this man has done more to spook businesses into passiveness than any President that I can think of outside of maybe Jimmy Carter. The only thing pro-business about BHO is Wall Street and how many billions did he use to bail them out? No wonder they like him.
Glad you're happy.

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You assume that I was happy with W, and I wasn't. I'm a conservative, W was no conservative. Not the way that he spent money and "enlarged" the federal government. If I didn't like W, I surely would not like BHO. The Repubs made it crystal clear that any immigration reform would be done by first securing the border, and to me that makes a ton of sense. But BHO largely ignored that request, and did it on his own. You think that is a noble accomplishment, ignoring the opposition party and then doing exactly what he said for six years he could not, to the point of exceeding his authority? You seem perfectly happy to accept a healthcare plan that would not have ever been passed if he had told the American people the truth. But he lied, on numerous occasions to pass what many believe is the most poorly engineered and ill conceived legislation ever to pass Congress, ever. So 180 million folks that were for the most part happy with their health insurance, are sacrificed so that 11- 12 million are happy? Do you not know the millions that are crazy mad at how high their deductibles are now and how much more they are paying for their health insurance than before and that's ok? But I guess that's how socialism works huh? You make the poor working saps pay more, so that some can have it free, or dirt cheap? Medicare keeps squeezing the doctors in fee reduction that soon you will have a very difficult time finding a doctor that will see you. Most doctors today have to severely limit the number of Medicare patients they see because they can't pay their overhead with what they make on them. As I recall BHO took 700 Billion out of Medicare to help fund the ACA. Those savings of $2,500 a family he promised are not happening and the overall costs of the ACA, according to the latest CBO numbers, are drastically more than what he promised.As far as the economy, would you please name me one pro business program that this President has pushed through Congress that you can point to that has energized this economy? The shovel ready projects that turned out in his words....were not so shovel ready? This economy is performing despite the efforts of BHO. It is riding the natural peaks and valleys that you see in capitalist economic systems. Between the ACA, higher taxes, a ton of new regulations, the EPA thugs harassing businesses, and the specter of Cap and Tax, this man has done more to spook businesses into passiveness than any President that I can think of outside of maybe Jimmy Carter. The only thing pro-business about BHO is Wall Street and how many billions did he use to bail them out? No wonder they like him. Glad you're happy.I thought you are a high information conservative voter. Bush ran as a compassionate conservative and criticized Al Gore over gun control and taxation. Dubya was a conservative. 180 million peoples insurance was sacrificed? Where do you get this stuff at? Took $700 billion out of medicare to pay for ACA? Not true - rightwingnut talking point. "Obamacare does not literally cut funding from the Medicare budget, but tries to bring down future health care costs in the program. Much of this is accomplished by reducing Medicare Advantage, a small subset of Medicare plans that are run by private insurers." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/feb/14/national-republican-congressional-committee/nrcc-says-obamacare-cuts-money-medicare-and-senior/ The economy is performing despite the efforts of obama? ACA didn't turn out to be the "job killer" conservatives/republicans said it would be. Higher taxes? The only tax increase is on wealthy making over $450k a year. Everyone else got a tax CUT. Who bailed out wall street? GEORGE W. BUSH. Get your facts straight.

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Champ, only one response...There was no $700B cut from Medicare! This is
such a BS point....$716B in spending reduction...in spending reduction...in
spending reduction....I repeat it only because the Pubs repeated the fallacy of
cutting money from Medicare when, in truth, (FactCheck.org) says it is a
reduction in future spending......

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Champ, only one response...There was no $700B cut from Medicare! This is
such a BS point....$716B in spending reduction...in spending reduction...in
spending reduction....I repeat it only because the Pubs repeated the fallacy of
cutting money from Medicare when, in truth, (FactCheck.org) says it is a
reduction in future spending......

Fair enough, I agree that statement is misleading...to a point. The money is not directly transferred from Medicare to the ACA. But it is true that anticipated savings from Medicare come mostly from providers (those reduced fees that providers can now charge, which will cause a problem in itself) to help offset some of the anticipated costs of the ACA. Spending will not decrease in Medicare year after year, but the reduction is from anticipated levels of spending in future years. Now if the GOP had sponsored this, that would be looked at as a cut, right? Has been in the past.

The GOP should have instead attacked the reduced fees providers will receive. Talk to most any doctor and they will tell you that they can only have a small percentage of Medicare patients because the fee structure is so small, they cannot pay their overhead if they have too many Medicare patients. That is a problem.

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Fair enough, I agree that statement is misleading...to a point. The money is not directly transferred from Medicare to the ACA. But it is true that anticipated savings from Medicare come mostly from providers (those reduced fees that providers can now charge, which will cause a problem in itself) to help offset some of the anticipated costs of the ACA. Spending will not decrease in Medicare year after year, but the reduction is from anticipated levels of spending in future years. Now if the GOP had sponsored this, that would be looked at as a cut, right? Has been in the past.The GOP should have instead attacked the reduced fees providers will receive. Talk to most any doctor and they will tell you that they can only have a small percentage of Medicare patients because the fee structure is so small, they cannot pay their overhead if they have too many Medicare patients. That is a problem.Misleading? It's false. This is the problem with politics these days - facts are open to interpretation. It not is transferred at all to the ACA, it is a measure to hold down future costs. If you have a variable rate mortgage that is going up and refinance your house to a lower rate is that a cut in your spending? It is a cut in your ANTICIPATED spending, a savings on future spending. If you have ever been in budgeting anytime you set a budget and lower future spending it is called a cut. This has nothing to do with doctors - is covers hospitals and insurance companies. This is something that should have happened without the ACA and should be something pubs and dems can agree on.