Suprised no one posted the 4th QTR GDP number

[REDREX]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2015/01/30/us-fourth-quarter-economic-growth-lower-than-expected/

[Sooner in Tampa]

Well...8th won't take Oblamers dong out of his mouth long enough to post something that doesn't shine a bright shining light on his messiah.

[REDREX]

Go Barack Go

[dwarthog]

Faux news link.

No need to even open to know it's inaccurately protraying the information.

[Sooner8th]

Well...8th won't take Oblamers dong out of his mouth long enough to post something that doesn't shine a bright shining light on his messiah.Go fvck yourself you ignorant @sshole. 2.4%? Where the fvck where you when the boy YOU voted for twice posted a pathitic 1.67% gpd? HUH @sshole LOSER? Go fvcking read something and find out why. Most OIL - dumbass. Makes the final 2014 for the year 2.4%. 1.67% GEORGE W. BUSH. Kicking bush's *** and you dumbasses are bitching about it. Fvck off.

[Sooner8th]

OH, 5.0% q3 2014 gpd - 2.4% Q4 2014 gdp. Fell when the republicans took over the senate. HUH, conservativess are bad for business. Fell by more than half. Suck in it.

[olevetonahill]

Go fvck yourself you ignorant @sshole. 2.4%? Where the fvck where you when the boy YOU voted for twice posted a pathitic 1.67% gpd? HUH @sshole LOSER? Go fvcking read something and find out why. Most OIL - dumbass. Makes the final 2014 for the year 2.4%. 1.67% GEORGE W. BUSH. Kicking bush's *** and you dumbasses are bitching about it. Fvck off.


OH, 5.0% q3 2014 gpd - 2.4% Q4 2014 gdp. Fell when the republicans took over the senate. HUH, conservativess are bad for business. Fell by more than half. Suck in it.

You are one sad pathetic little loser.

[olevetonahill]

Go fvck yourself you ignorant @sshole. 2.4%? Where the fvck where you when the boy YOU voted for twice posted a pathitic 1.67% gpd? HUH @sshole LOSER? Go fvcking read something and find out why. Most OIL - dumbass. Makes the final 2014 for the year 2.4%. 1.67% GEORGE W. BUSH. Kicking bush's *** and you dumbasses are bitching about it. Fvck off.


OH, 5.0% q3 2014 gpd - 2.4% Q4 2014 gdp. Fell when the republicans took over the senate. HUH, conservativess are bad for business. Fell by more than half. Suck in it.

You are one sad pathetic little loser.

[olevetonahill]

heh, Felt so good to say it , I said it twice.

[Sooner8th]

You are one sad pathetic little loser.Can't even think up your own insults, that is a LLLOOOSSSSEERRRRR. Posted it twice on purpose, you are the only one who believes that.

[olevetonahill]

Can't even think up your own insults, that is a LLLOOOSSSSEERRRRR. Posted it twice on purpose, you are the only one who believes that.

Not only a sad and Pathetic little loser yer an ingneranimus to boot.
Im the only one who believes that you are a sad pathetic loser? Really? Im the Only one?
Naw ya dildo wannabe i believe all but maybe 3 posters here believe that.

[REDREX]

Barack's policies have done nothing but hurt the recovery

[Sooner8th]

Barack's policies have done nothing but hurt the recoveryQuoting straight out of righwingnut talking points. Waht policies are those? You people complain when the economy grows - obama doesn't do anything that effects the economy. When you decide it's not growing "enough" you say how his policies are hurting the economy. Make up your minds. You and yours are so stupid you don't even know what is going on. Rightwingnut conservative republicans are so desperate to shift blame for the great republican recession away from their policies that caused it to the dems, but they are even more afraid that democratic policies will bring us out of it and dems get the credit for next 40 years just like after the depression. Your party has done everything it can think of to ruin the recovery, then you turn and bitch about how slow it is going, even if Obama's gdp growth is higher than bushs. There were not debt limit fights under any other president. More government shutdowns. Spending cuts during a recession. You guys are so brainwashed you don't get what game your party is playing with the economy. I don't see dumbass mitch accepting credit for the 2% drop in gdp from q3 to q4 on republicans winning the senate, like he laughably tried to for q3 5.0 gdp. I almost forgot..............LEMMING

[REDREX]

You are such an ***----If anyone is brainwashed it is you

[Sooner8th]

You are such an ***----If anyone is brainwashed it is youDid not address a single point I made. Went right to I'm rubber you're glue, what bounces off me sticks to you. I shouldn't have expected anything more for a dumbass lemming like you.

[olevetonahill]

Did not address a single point I made. Went right to I'm rubber you're glue, what bounces off me sticks to you. I shouldn't have expected anything more for a dumbass lemming like you.

Predictable Troll response

[REDREX]

Did not address a single point I made. Went right to I'm rubber you're glue, what bounces off me sticks to you. I shouldn't have expected anything more for a dumbass lemming like you.---You post rambling crap and try and say you are making a point----Barack has had 6 years and has been nothing but a roadblock to the recovery----And now the fool wants to raise taxes what an idiot

[SicEmBaylor]

It's hard to take economic numbers seriously given the degree to which the Fed continues to pump this bitch up like it was a continental inflatable monetary sex doll.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Move to Switzerland...where the interest rate is a balmy -0.75%

[Sooner8th]

---You post rambling crap and try and say you are making a point----Barack has had 6 years and has been nothing but a roadblock to the recovery----And now the fool wants to raise taxes what an idiotI did make several points - you are just too stupid to respond to them. Everyone but dumbass, brainwashed LEMMINGS knows over the last six years republicans have done EVERYTHING they can think of to throw up roadblocks to recovery. Read my post to get the list.

[REDREX]

I did make several points - you are just too stupid to respond to them. Everyone but dumbass, brainwashed LEMMINGS knows over the last six years republicans have done EVERYTHING they can think of to throw up roadblocks to recovery. Read my post to get the list.----You are a very arrogant little man that is blind to reality

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It's hard to take economic numbers seriously given the degree to which the Fed continues to pump this bitch up like it was a continental inflatable monetary sex doll.That's the elephant in the economic recovery room....IOW, the supposed recovery is a scam, like the presidency itself.

[Sooner8th]

It's hard to take economic numbers seriously given the degree to which the Fed continues to pump this bitch up like it was a continental inflatable monetary sex doll.LOL that is a joke. Because the fed is keeping interest rates low to stimulate the economy in place of, oh I don't know, CONGRESS, you cannot take the numbers take the numbers seriously? Growth is growth. Did you take dubya's pathetic 1.67 per year GDP growth seriously? Tell me, why is it when the economy is not growing as fast as conservative republicans think it should under obama are the numbers taken seriously but when ANY economic number is good, it is fixed, or fudged or going to adjusted down - lets just wait until it's revised and when it revised up not a word is spoken - or not to be taken seriously. The bottom line is, like I said in the previous post, conservative republican do not want to give obama and the democrats any credit for saving our economy from a depression and now the recovery. The issues you all want to bitch about under obama started way before he took office - deficits, labor participation rates, bailouts, quantitative easing, income gaps just to name a few.

[Sooner8th]

----You are a very arrogant little man that is blind to realityTell me something mr I know so much about economics and politics, under how many presidents have there been debt ceiling fights? Who shut down the government? Who insisted on cutting spending during a recession and recovery? Show us all what a dumbass lemming you are and blame obama for it all.

[Sooner8th]

That's the elephant in the economic recovery room....IOW, the supposed recovery is a scam, like the presidency itself.How the fvck is it a scam? More growth than under dubya, more jobs than under dubya. Lower deficits than under dubya.

[Curly Bill]

How the fvck is it a scam? I love Obammy's dong more than that of dubya, more dong for me than under dubya. The lower I can get under Obammy the better, even better than under dubya.

No need to tell us. We know!

[SicEmBaylor]

LOL that is a joke. Because the fed is keeping interest rates low to stimulate the economy in place of, oh I don't know, CONGRESS, you cannot take the numbers take the numbers seriously? Growth is growth. Did you take dubya's pathetic 1.67 per year GDP growth seriously? Tell me, why is it when the economy is not growing as fast as conservative republicans think it should under obama are the numbers taken seriously but when ANY economic number is good, it is fixed, or fudged or going to adjusted down - lets just wait until it's revised and when it revised up not a word is spoken - or not to be taken seriously. The bottom line is, like I said in the previous post, conservative republican do not want to give obama and the democrats any credit for saving our economy from a depression and now the recovery. The issues you all want to bitch about under obama started way before he took office - deficits, labor participation rates, bailouts, quantitative easing, income gaps just to name a few.

I didn't take anything Bush did seriously. He's responsible for the economic mess we're in, but he shares that responsibility with is predecessors who encouraged low-interest loans in the housing market so they could stand before Congress every year and tout home ownership numbers. You aren't going to get anywhere with me by suggesting that I gave a pass to Bush for anything -- I detest the Bush presidency.

And, no, growth isn't growth. There is natural market growth and then there are artificial bubbles created and inflated by Federal policies that are unsustainable in the long run. The only thing the Feds are doing is staving off the inevitable crash and causing that inevitable crash to last longer when it does occur.

[REDREX]

How the fvck is it a scam? More growth than under dubya, more jobs than under dubya. Lower deficits than under dubya.----Will You and the Barack lovers bring up Bush even after he has left office------Tell me one thing Obama has done that has helped economic growth?

[Sooner8th]

I didn't take anything Bush did seriously. He's responsible for the economic mess we're in, but he shares that responsibility with is predecessors who encouraged low-interest loans in the housing market so they could stand before Congress every year and taught home ownership numbers. You aren't going to get anywhere with me by suggesting that I gave a pass to Bush for anything -- I detest the Bush presidency.And, no, growth isn't growth. There is natural market growth and then there are artificial bubbles created and inflated by Federal policies that are unsustainable in the long run. The only thing the Feds are doing is staving off the inevitable crash and causing that inevitable crash to last longer when it does occur.So, just whose economic growth do you take seriously?

[SicEmBaylor]

So, just whose economic growth do you take seriously?

I'll let you know when it happens.

[Sooner8th]

I'll let you know when it happens.Don't be a typical conservative coward. Tell me what growth you take"seriously".

[Eielson]

Don't be a typical conservative coward. Tell me what growth you take"seriously".

Kinda ghey and personal, but...anything that gets me to about 8 inches.

[SicEmBaylor]

Don't be a typical conservative coward. Tell me what growth you take"seriously".

I'm not being a coward at all. My point is that the government is so intertwined with the market, that the free market doesn't exist. It's impossible to tell what growth is the result of a healthy free-market/independent economy and what is the result of Federal interference artificially boosting all or segments of the economy. What we have now, and what we've had since the Federal reserve was created, is essentially a fascist economy. It's a collusion between big banking and big business interests and the government to manipulate the economy mostly for the benefit of the banking industry and large corporations. America practices corporatism not capitalism.

I can't tell you what growth I'd take seriously because the kind of growth I'd take seriously doesn't exist. Not because it can't exist, but because it isn't allowed to exist.

[SicEmBaylor]

Kinda ghey and personal, but...anything that gets me to about 8 inches.

I hit my market cap and growth ceiling well before that, I'm afraid.

[Sooner8th]

I'm not being a coward at all. My point is that the government is so intertwined with the market, that the free market doesn't exist. It's impossible to tell what growth is the result of a healthy free-market/independent economy and what is the result of Federal interference artificially boosting all or segments of the economy. What we have now, and what we've had since the Federal reserve was created, is essentially a fascist economy. It's a collusion between big banking and big business interests and the government to manipulate the economy mostly for the benefit of the banking industry and large corporations. America practices corporatism not capitalism. I can't tell you what growth I'd take seriously because the kind of growth I'd take seriously doesn't exist. Not because it can't exist, but because it isn't allowed to exist.So....never in the history of the United States of America has there been growth in our economy that you can take "seriously"?

[FaninAma]

It's hard to take economic numbers seriously given the degree to which the Fed continues to pump this bitch up like it was a continental inflatable monetary sex doll.
The world's economy is deflating faster than footballs used by the NE Patriots. If you consider that the GDP number includes all economic activity including the Fed's actions of buying US debt then that number is astoundingly low. The Keynesians have to be ****ting bricks right now. Europe is going down. Japan and Abenomics is going down. China is going down. Keynesian economic policies have failed miserably and totally.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

WHAT!? Socialism sucks! Oh no, say it ain't so!!!

[Sooner8th]

The world's economy is deflating faster than footballs used by the NE Patriots. If you consider that the GDP number includes all economic activity including the Fed's actions of buying US debt then that number is astoundingly low. The Keynesians have to be ****ting bricks right now. Europe is going down. Japan and Abenomics is going down. China is going down. Keynesian economic policies have failed miserably and totally."The Keynesians have to be ****ting bricks right now." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STOP IT YOU'RE KILLING ME. Where do you get this crap at? You have brain damage. Europe, Japan and China are going down? China 7.3% gpd in 2014, projected to be 7.0% in 2015. Japan to grow slightly in 2015. Europe has embraced austerity and it is killing them. 6 -7 years ago conservatives screams lets be like Ireland, Spain and Greece. Greece who just voted out the austerity crowd for KEYNESIAN's economy is at 30% less that pre-recession levels. Germany who embraced austerity is now seeing the effects of those policies. So much for austerity.

[FaninAma]

Ah yes, the last gasp of the Keynesians:"It will work if you just create enough debt and keep spending more money".

Borrowing your way to prosperity. What a bunch of clowns.

[Sooner8th]

Ah yes, the last gasp of the Keynesians:"It will work if you just create enough debt and keep spending more money".Borrowing your way to prosperity. What a bunch of clowns.HAHAHAHAHAHAH ASSCLOWN, Keynes economics works. Go look at germany gpd from 2010 to 2014 it's been FALLING. .4% in 2014 The US gpd growth rate? RAISING. 2.4% in 2014 6 - six - times higher. You have no evidence whatsoever to support your contention. Every country that embraced or had austerity forced down their throats is now paying the price for it. The austerity crowd mantra is you just wait, you just wait, you just wait. Has inflation taken off like all conservatives predicted? NO. Is the economy not growing unlike all conservatives predicted it wouldn't. NO. Anybody who is not reading atlas shrugged, follow laffer or wanniski nor listens to ANY republican knows borrowing is suppose to be temporary until the crisis passes then surpluses are to pay the money back. You need to talk to your own party about the paying it back part.

[olevetonahill]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH ASSCLOWN, Keynes economics works. Go look at germany gpd from 2010 to 2014 it's been FALLING. .4% in 2014 The US gpd growth rate? RAISING. 2.4% in 2014 6 - six - times higher. You have no evidence whatsoever to support your contention. Every country that embraced or had austerity forced down their throats is now paying the price for it. The austerity crowd mantra is you just wait, you just wait, you just wait. Has inflation taken off like all conservatives predicted? NO. Is the economy not growing unlike all conservatives predicted it wouldn't. NO. Anybody who is not reading atlas shrugged, follow laffer or wanniski nor listens to ANY republican knows borrowing is suppose to be temporary until the crisis passes then surpluses are to pay the money back. You need to talk to your own party about the paying it back part. https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11562_10200106261695044_4480569412090479320_n.jpg? oh=bb0ed5da7db41c7ca04e69c9a98887ec&oe=553A3693.

Well at least ya admitted it finally
Yer Sh!t fer brains

[FaninAma]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH ASSCLOWN, Keynes economics works. Go look at germany gpd from 2010 to 2014 it's been FALLING. .4% in 2014 The US gpd growth rate? RAISING. 2.4% in 2014 6 - six - times higher. You have no evidence whatsoever to support your contention. Every country that embraced or had austerity forced down their throats is now paying the price for it. The austerity crowd mantra is you just wait, you just wait, you just wait. Has inflation taken off like all conservatives predicted? NO. Is the economy not growing unlike all conservatives predicted it wouldn't. NO. Anybody who is not reading atlas shrugged, follow laffer or wanniski nor listens to ANY republican knows borrowing is suppose to be temporary until the crisis passes then surpluses are to pay the money back. You need to talk to your own party about the paying it back part.

The funny thing is you actually believe any of the European countries are actually practicing austerity. Keynesians are a funny bunch. They want us to believe that a reduction in the rate of increaseof spending is a cut. That's because the whole Keynesian priciple is based on the premise of expanding the debt, expanding the money supply and then creating inflation(hopefully controlable) to pay off the old debt with devalued fiat money. The problem with that is that at some point the economy enters an infinite loop. Debt doesn't get paid off, more money has to be created to service the debt meaning less investment goes into actually increasing real production and growth.

Now with QE and ZIRP the central banks have totally warped the economic dynamics so that the traditional method of saving and investing(through bonds, CDs, etc) has been destroyed. What we are left with is a speculative dark pool of liquidity that sloshes around trying to find a decent return on investment. It is the Dutch Tulip Bulb bubble to the nth degree.

Sooner 8th, thank you for this opportunity to help enlighten you. Hopefully some of the more reasonable progressives on the board my be starting to realize what a dead end game the Fed and other central banks are playing.

[Sooner8th]

The funny thing is you actually believe any of the European countries are actually practicing austerity. Keynesians are a funny bunch. They want us to believe that a reduction in the rate of increaseof spending is a cut. That's because the whole Keynesian priciple is based on the premise of expanding the debt, expanding the money supply and then creating inflation(hopefully controlable) to pay off the old debt with devalued fiat money. The problem with that is that at some point the economy enters an infinite loop. Debt doesn't get paid off, more money has to be created to service the debt meaning less investment goes into actually increasing real production and growth.Now with QE and ZIRP the central banks have totally warped the economic dynamics so that the traditional method of saving and investing(through bonds, CDs, etc) has been destroyed. What we are left with is a speculative dark pool of liquidity that sloshes around trying to find a decent return on investment. It is the Dutch Tulip Bulb bubble to the nth degree.Sooner 8th, thank you for this opportunity to help enlighten you. Hopefully some of the more reasonable progressives on the board my be starting to realize what a dead end game the Fed and other central banks are playing."Sooner 8th, thank you for this opportunity to help enlighten you." Again - me laughing AT you. You are completely clueless as to what you are talking about. Do yourself and all of us a favor and looking something up before you spew your ignorance, showing your brainwashing on this board. It is tiresome. Let ME enlighten YOU. In economics, austerity describes policies used by governments to reduce budget deficits during adverse economic conditions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austerity Seriously, learn something that does not come from rightwingnut websites. As for "because the whole Keynesian priciple is based on the premise of expanding the debt, expanding the money supply and then creating inflation(hopefully controlable) to pay off the old debt with devalued fiat money." I don't have to ask where on gods green earth you get this at, I know. Rightwingnut books and websites. Purposefully causing inflation to pay off the debt with cheaper money is a joke, put your tin foil hat back on. The point of Keynesian economics is to grow the economy with deficit spending, then when the economy grows and taxes revenues go up from the expanded economy and the additional spending is stopped, the debt is paid down that way. It was never designed to be a long term situation. Again, if you want to b!tch about not paying the debt down, talk to george w. bush and the republican party.

[FaninAma]

Keynesian method of reducing budgets: Don't cut the budget....reduce the rate of increase TEMPORARILY. Try to increase taxes. Never reduce actual spending, in fact spend significangtly more next year than this year but don't spend as much as you want to and call it a cut. Then, if you are having trouble servicing all of that debt just have the Fed cover you with QE and increase currency creation. Does that about cover it?

We'll just watch and see what happens in Japan and Europe. BTW, can you explain Japan? They have been trying aggressive Keynesian policies longer and more aggressively than anybody else and they don't appear to be in good shape.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

you're a genius. i don't know why you even waste your time posting and responding on this board. if i were you I'd cut bait and move on to people that appreciate the kind of intelligence and enthusiasm you bring to the political areana. You have a zest for excellence in which we here at Soonerfans are unable to match. Frankly, you seek responses that we are simply unable to acquiesce at this juncture. I feel bad that you have to spend all your time and energy on a bunch of Lemmings.

If you need a reference, or a letter of recommendation to help you gain acceptance into a more prestigous message board, I'm very much willing and able.

Respectfully,

BSTL

[Sooner8th]

Keynesian method of reducing budgets: Don't cut the budget....reduce the rate of increase TEMPORARILY. Try to increase taxes. Nevery reduce atucal spending in fact spend significangtly more next year than this year but don't spend as much as you want to and call it a cut. Then, if you are having trouble servicing all of that debt just have the Fed cover you with QE and increase currency creation. Does that about cover it?We'll just watch and see what happens in Japan and Europe. BTW, can you explain Japan? They have been trying aggressive Keynesian policies longer and more aggressively than anybody else and they don't appear to be in good shape.You just can get your head around the truth can you? You have no clue as to what you are talking about. Japan's gdp growth rate hasn't changed much in the last 25 years.

[FaninAma]

You just can get your head around the truth can you? You have no clue as to what you are talking about. Japan's gdp growth rate hasn't changed much in the last 25 years.
Care to tell us what that GDP growth has been? While you look it up remember Japan has been providing very low interest rates and tremendous government deficit spending for 20 years and variations of QE for the last decade.

And if the abject failure of Keynesian policies to kick start the world's economies wasn't reason enough to discredit them please tell how this little by-product of deficit spending is a good thing.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-REB-30526

Interest rates cannot go up. It will break us.

Edit: Japan has averaged 0.49% annual growth since 1980. Awesome!
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth

[Soonerjeepman]

FIA...give it up bro...ur posting way too many FACTS. Without calling people assclowns (apparently our "protect the lemming" campaign has gotten word of 8th's obsessive use of the term and contacted him), showing anger...ya just aren't doing it so he understands...put some anger in ur posts dang it!