OSU's Tyreek Hill arrested on domestic abuse complaint

[badger]

Yes, the guy that won OSU the game with his big punt return with 45 seconds left.

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/osusportsextra/osu-s-tyreek-hill-arrested-on-domestic-abuse-complaint/article_964d4fd0-ccac-52c5-835e-962d9872c0ce.html)

[Pricetag]

Can we take it to the courts and get that return overturned?

[badger]

You want to really feel sick to your stomach? Read it all (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/osu/osuhomepage1/osu-s-tyreek-hill-arrested-on-domestic-abuse-complaint/article_964d4fd0-ccac-52c5-835e-962d9872c0ce.html) or just the cliff's notes below:


The report says Hill threw her around "like a ragdoll."


According to the report, the woman told an investigator that she was eight weeks pregnant with Hill's child. She was "very concerned about her pregnancy due to Hill punching her in the stomach," an investigator wrote in a report.


According to the report, Hill said "he was being arrested for being black and she was white."

[REDREX]

About a week late

[cvsooner]

Awful. Mixon's was bad enough, provoked by an apparent complete stranger. This? The mother of his child?

The cynic in me thinks, if this had to happen, wishes this had happened a week ago....

I will now go to confession.

[Piware]

Karma is a bitch. After all the righteous posturing by OSU fans about Joe Mixon, it will be interesting to see how they alibi this one away.

[Flagstaffsooner]

http://www.orangepower.com/threads/tyreek-hill-arrested-for-domestic-abuse.197524/

[badger]

http://www.orangepower.com/threads/tyreek-hill-arrested-for-domestic-abuse.197524/

yeah, this is typical OP melting down, but I'm not gonna do a meltdown post or anything, because the news about him striking his pregnant girlfriend really touches a nerve with this mommy.

Before anyone has too much fun with this, I have two words for you: Miscarriage murder. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/19/charged-with-murder-for-a-miscarriage-in-oklahoma.html) If the girlfriend's baby dies due to this domestic violence incident, Tyreek Hill does not just face NFL millions lost, a college career lost or whatever legendary status Pokes were planning to place on him for beating OU: He faces life in jail on a murder charge due to miscarriage.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Over under on him ending up in Norman?

Classy people over there...

[SoonerStormchaser]

If he causes her to miscarry...lock him up and throw away the key. SheepHumper or not...

[FaninAma]

What's laughable are the OSU fans trying desperately to draw a moral equivalency between Hill's crimes and Mixon's actions. Mixon deserved suspension and may deserve termination from the program but law enforcement sure as heck views the 2 differently...misdemenor v. a felony in Hill's case not to mention the difference in the relationship between the players and the subject of their actions.

[BigTip]

The police arrested him?

At least someone is able to catch him.

[soonergirlNeugene]

Not real surprised that a lot of the posters over there are more inclined to condemn him not out of what happened but out of a desire to not "act like Sooners."

[kenth68]

Arrested? Well, we were beat like a red-headed stepchild...

[yermom]

is it that hard to not beat up a woman?

you know, when you have managed to "make it" so to speak as a college athlete, with presumably an NFL career to think about.

shouldn't there be an extra voice somewhere to ask you what the **** you are doing?

[cvsooner]

From Bedlam hero to arrested to booted from football and track team.

http://newsok.com/update-osu-running-back-tyreek-hill-charged-with-domestic-assault/article/5375311

[yermom]

**** 'im

[swardboy]

Trying to make it a black/white racial issue....what an a$$. Of course it doesn't make any difference but I wonder if he was alcohol fueled. Goodbye career.

[Peeb]

He's been dismissed from both the football and track teams.

I've not seen one cowboys fan on any website that is criticizing that choice to send him packing.

[BoulderSooner79]

Any NFL team is going to think long and hard before taking a chance with him giving to current environment. He may have cost himself even being drafted at all.

[8timechamps]

Any NFL team is going to think long and hard before taking a chance with him giving to current environment. He may have cost himself even being drafted at all.

Yep. Not that there's ever a good time for something like this, but this is really bad timing on his part. Given the current atmosphere in the NFL, nobody's going to touch him.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Classy people over there...

He hasn't sold or been arrest for possession of marijuana yet, so Stoops won't be interested.

[KantoSooner]

Unpack that one for us, TDTW.
Pay particular attention to explaining the moral equivalence of different actions and to the moral judgments you impute to Stoops.

[mainline13]

From Bedlam hero to arrested to booted from football and track team.

http://newsok.com/update-osu-running-back-tyreek-hill-charged-with-domestic-assault/article/5375311


He definitely is fast - from Hero to Zero in less than a week.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

I wish there was some way to punish the universities for recruiting garbage like this. Yea I know I'm being presumptuous, but I'm reasonably confident this punk has not been a choir boy prior to this incident. Would the game really suffer if everyone stopped recruiting in the neighborhoods where criminals are bred, and return the game to what it used to be like? Recruiting kids from terrible backgrounds and expecting them to suddenly be someone else and behave totally differently than they have all their life is kind of crazy - no?

Is every kid that grows up in the hood a bad soul not worth being given an opportunity to rise above? Of course not - there are plenty of great kids who's HS coaches can attest to. The why don't we figure out a way to measure the quality of human being that the schools are recruiting, and punish those who's track record reveals they consistently recruit criminal type. If schools know they are being measure by off the field problems, then they'll think twice about who they offer that scholarship to. No, the schools cant control the behavior of any one individual .... but I can argue that if "X" percentage of your players have off the field incidents (and let's classify them by misdemeanor, felony, etc) it can be shown when there is a pattern to recruiting bad apples. When a school knew that their team could only incur so many incidents per year before they got punished, they would find a way to "manage" the issue at the recruiting level. And the HS Coach who gave character references would know that they couldn't consistently promote problem kids, or their word would eventually not be trusted, which would hurt good kids from their program.

I know, it sounds crazy. But I'm just getting sick and tired of seeing nothing but money matter any more.

[Piware]

Not real surprised that a lot of the posters over there are more inclined to condemn him not out of what happened but out of a desire to not "act like Sooners."

The Pokes have officially declared a moral victory.

[rock on sooner]

I wish there was some way to punish the universities for recruiting garbage like this. Yea I know I'm being presumptuous, but I'm reasonably confident this punk has not been a choir boy prior to this incident. Would the game really suffer if everyone stopped recruiting in the neighborhoods where criminals are bred, and return the game to what it used to be like? Recruiting kids from terrible backgrounds and expecting them to suddenly be someone else and behave totally differently than they have all their life is kind of crazy - no?

Is every kid that grows up in the hood a bad soul not worth being given an opportunity to rise above? Of course not - there are plenty of great kids who's HS coaches can attest to. The why don't we figure out a way to measure the quality of human being that the schools are recruiting, and punish those who's track record reveals they consistently recruit criminal type. If schools know they are being measure by off the field problems, then they'll think twice about who they offer that scholarship to. No, the schools cant control the behavior of any one individual .... but I can argue that if "X" percentage of your players have off the field incidents (and let's classify them by misdemeanor, felony, etc) it can be shown when there is a pattern to recruiting bad apples. When a school knew that their team could only incur so many incidents per year before they got punished, they would find a way to "manage" the issue at the recruiting level. And the HS Coach who gave character references would know that they couldn't consistently promote problem kids, or their word would eventually not be trusted, which would hurt good kids from their program.

I know, it sounds crazy. But I'm just getting sick and tired of seeing nothing but money matter any more.

It appears that the schools should hire private firms to look into the backgrounds
of these kids, is that correct? The scale of offenses applied to each individual, convert
that scale to a mathematical formula, give that formula to the coaching staff and allow
the coaches to measure the formula against the predetermined offer/don't offer charts
up on the office wall. I just wonder how many of the "don't offers" would disappear
into the morass of "no chance in life" because they didn't get the mentoring/positive
influences/second or third chance that college educations often present.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

I just wonder how many of the "don't offers" would disappear
into the morass of "no chance in life" because they didn't get the mentoring/positive
influences/second or third chance that college educations often present.


Its not an easy answer for sure. Not to dismiss your point, but my sense is that graduation rate statistics tell us something about how many are taking advantage of the opportunities they are being given. And not that every kid who doesn't graduate is a bad kid either. I just wonder what would be the entertainment value if rosters were loaded with kids who had all shown outstanding character AND an orientation toward education. I bet some pretty good football would still be played. Imagine that - "student athletes" that actually resembled students.

[BoulderSooner79]

However, one of the arguments supporting the existence of big time college sports is that it provides opportunity to for kids from less advantaged communities. (I know nothing about Tyreek Hill, just general observation). Filtering out kids with troubled pasts would no doubt be highly related to family income level and be yet another way to divide society into castes.

But that's just a philosophical argument. The reality is that many talented athletes come from tough neighborhoods and the pressure to win above all will get these guys on the field.

[yermom]

yeah, but getting caught with weed is one thing, pushing a girl down some stairs or choking your soon-to-be baby momma is another

[EatLeadCommie]

Come on, man. You never know how a kid is going to turn out. You can't just decide to punish a university because of some arbitrary assessment that they are recruiting dirtbags. And how would you differentiate between a situation like Mixon's and something like Hill's? Besides, these things tend to take care of themselves and come out on their own. See the downfall of our own program in the late 80s, Miami's in the mid 90s, and FSU's not long after. There are also things like the Fulmer Cup that keep programs on their toes by offering them up for worldwide online embarrassment. But one kid beating up his girlfriend and being a dick does not reflect on a program as a whole any more than having a crazy uncle in jail somehow means your entire family is horrible.

[yermom]

i'm just saying "2nd chances" are one thing, but maybe if someone thought they might be jeopardizing their future by getting violent, then maybe they might think twice?

the 80's and 90's didn't have facebook and twitter

i won't excuse Mixon, because i think he was stupid, but i would say beating up your pregnant girlfriend is a bit different than throwing one punch at some chick in your face that you don't know

[BoulderSooner79]

i'm just saying "2nd chances" are one thing, but maybe if someone thought they might be jeopardizing their future by getting violent, then maybe they might think twice?

the 80's and 90's didn't have facebook and twitter

i won't excuse Mixon, because i think he was stupid, but i would say beating up your pregnant girlfriend is a bit different than throwing one punch at some chick in your face that you don't know

You think OSU knew what Hill would end up doing? Unless he's been charge with domestic violence before, I don't see how they could.

[Widescreen]

The Pokes have officially declared a moral victory.

Which is a nice matching bookend to their actual victory. We've lost the high ground to mock them for moral victories.

[SoonerorLater]

I've never been one that has embraced the scholarly choirboy concept for football players. If you want to play winning football you need to put the best talent on the field. You will have to occasionally hold your nose if you want to win it all. That being said.........There is a behavioral line you just can't cross. Everybody sets that line at a different point but for me this easily crossed that line for me. Short of some type of proof she was coming at him with a machete or the like he needs to go to jail not just booted off the team.

[BoulderSooner79]

I've never been one that has embraced the scholarly choirboy concept for football players. If you want to play winning football you need to put the best talent on the field. You will have to occasionally hold your nose if you want to win it all. That being said.........There is a behavioral line you just can't cross. Everybody sets that line at a different point but for me this easily crossed that line for me. Short of some type of proof she was coming at him with a machete or the like he needs to go to jail not just booted off the team.

I have no idea what you mean here. OSU booted him instantly. What else should they do? They are not the law and just because he got booted, doesn't mean he won't get charged - that's up to the DA.

[8timechamps]

Let's be honest, a large portion of the good high school talent comes from areas that aren't exactly the nicest, most law abiding communities. When you recruit kids from those areas, you're going to get the occasional bad egg.

Statistically, far more 'good' kids play college football than 'bad' ones. I can only speak to what I know about OU (but I'm sure it's similar everywhere), and I know that the coaches/recruiting coordinators do a lot of external investigating on any player they offer. They'll contact teachers, counselors, family members, etc. in an effort to learn everything they can about a kid. That's great, but that doesn't always identify the kid that's going to screw up. Mixon is a perfect example. The kid was a choir boy throughout high school, and will probably (hopefully) never be an issue again. However, it just took the right combination of age/time/location/external factors for him to make a major mistake.

I can't speak to Hill's character, so I don't know if he had shown signs previously, but sometimes there is no warning. To OSU's credit, they quickly dismissed (and distanced themselves) from Devin Thomas (a onetime OU commit) after his arrest for armed robbery and attempted murder.

[SoonerorLater]

I have no idea what you mean here. OSU booted him instantly. What else should they do? They are not the law and just because he got booted, doesn't mean he won't get charged - that's up to the DA.

?.....Hill needed to be booted. He was. No dig against OSU at all. Now it is a legal matter. I wasn't keen on the Mixon (or Shannon) decision at least based on what has been revealed.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

However, one of the arguments supporting the existence of big time college sports is that it provides opportunity to for kids from less advantaged communities. (I know nothing about Tyreek Hill, just general observation). Filtering out kids with troubled pasts would no doubt be highly related to family income level and be yet another way to divide society into castes.

But that's just a philosophical argument. The reality is that many talented athletes come from tough neighborhoods and the pressure to win above all will get these guys on the field.


College sports has existed for decades prior to the practice of recruiting kids from sketchy backgrounds began. Creating opportunities for them being an argument for the existence of college sports is news to me.

And just because there is some correlation between low income/behavior problems, I wouldn't call a system that rewards good behavior filtering out low income kids. If any kid filters themselves out with their behavior, that's on them, not the rules committee. Low income kids who would keep their noses clean would have the same opportunity as anyone else, and the facts would bear that out If someone wants to see that differently oh well.

[Soonerjeepman]

yeah, this is typical OP melting down, but I'm not gonna do a meltdown post or anything, because the news about him striking his pregnant girlfriend really touches a nerve with this mommy.

Before anyone has too much fun with this, I have two words for you: Miscarriage murder. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/19/charged-with-murder-for-a-miscarriage-in-oklahoma.html) If the girlfriend's baby dies due to this domestic violence incident, Tyreek Hill does not just face NFL millions lost, a college career lost or whatever legendary status Pokes were planning to place on him for beating OU: He faces life in jail on a murder charge due to miscarriage.

not making it political...but curious as to why, if abortion is ok. I know the argument that she didn't CHOOSE that..her body..blah blah blah....but I would think a good lawyer could fight that...maybe not. Not that I agree at all with that...just sayin.

Hope they throw the book at him.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

Come on, man. You never know how a kid is going to turn out. You can't just decide to punish a university because of some arbitrary assessment that they are recruiting dirtbags. And how would you differentiate between a situation like Mixon's and something like Hill's? Besides, these things tend to take care of themselves and come out on their own. See the downfall of our own program in the late 80s, Miami's in the mid 90s, and FSU's not long after. There are also things like the Fulmer Cup that keep programs on their toes by offering them up for worldwide online embarrassment. But one kid beating up his girlfriend and being a dick does not reflect on a program as a whole any more than having a crazy uncle in jail somehow means your entire family is horrible.

Yes you never know how a kid will turn out, and you cant control anyone's behavior. Even a good kid every now and then flips out and does something bad. My point was to find a way to punish schools where there is a reocurring pattern, which would suggest they know they are recruiting bad apples, but they look the other way.

Every year we hear of crimes being committed, and the nature of the crime suggests that it probably wasn't the offender's first criminal act. I'm not talking about smoking weed, but rather violent crimes that tell you the offender has some disturbing character traits.

[BoulderSooner79]

As far as I can tell, our coaches don't take kids with a known history of violence. I don't follow recruiting that much, but the only kid I recall I thought we crossed the line to offer was that WR from Georgia. He seemed to be infatuated with guns and thug life, but had not done anything violent as far as I know. (He later choked his girlfriend at some other school where he landed). The DGB thing certainly got my attention, but I'm taking it on faith that since the coaches recruited him for 2 years, they know him and his family very well. I haven't heard anything bad from him so far, fingers crossed.

But our coaches do take kids from poor/rough neighborhoods that have grown up with limited adult supervision. These kids are not going to have the same view of right and wrong and they're likely to not be 4.0 students with a strong academic foundation. These kids are going to be a risk. It could be they are just discipline problems and end up being dismissed. But some of them will end up doing something violent. On the flip side, some will take to the discipline and grow up into fine citizens. And some of them will be our star players. A coach could just filter them out and reduce the risk, but fans would be screaming for the coaches head if those players end up at other schools and are whipping our a.sses.

[badger]

not making it political...but curious as to why, if abortion is ok

The U.S. Supreme Court decided that abortion is legal, but has not made any across-state-lines decision regarding when life begins. Thus, states including Oklahoma can say that life begins at the moment of conception and charge a pregnancy miscarriage by force as murder, but omit abortion due to the SCOTUS decision. Nothing political about it, just a court decision that supersedes state law.

By bringing that up, I was trying to stave off anyone making light of the situation, not start a debate about the merits of state laws and such.

Good for OSU for dismissing Tyreek Hill... but I think it's fair to say that between this and all the losing this season that recruiting has and will continue to suffer this offseason:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/osusportsextra/osu-sports-after-two-official-visits-elsewhere-former-cowboys-running/article_d4b70e60-dcd6-5e47-bbdf-0262f77fbd43.html

[KantoSooner]

Jeep,
You have to think of the law as a process, not a conclusion. I know it bothers Constitutional fundamentalists, but the document really is plastic and adapts to changing circumstances over time. That's why we have a Constitutional (Supreme) Court. When you dig into Constitutional issues, you'll find that there are many seeming contradictions. Typically, this is due to the court 'mushing' along and not having come to a particular point as of yet. And that's as it should be: the court should not be too bold in attempting to change society.
Personally, I think we'll ultimately come to a line of reasoning based on the special and unique relationship of mother and fetus; but that's just my suspicion. Until then, we have, as you pointed out, a contradiction in the law.

[FaninAma]

The U.S. Supreme Court decided that abortion is legal, but has not made any across-state-lines decision regarding when life begins. Thus, states including Oklahoma can say that life begins at the moment of conception and charge a pregnancy miscarriage by force as murder, but omit abortion due to the SCOTUS decision. Nothing political about it, just a court decision that supersedes state law.

By bringing that up, I was trying to stave off anyone making light of the situation, not start a debate about the merits of state laws and such.

Good for OSU for dismissing Tyreek Hill... but I think it's fair to say that between this and all the losing this season that recruiting has and will continue to suffer this offseason:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/osusportsextra/osu-sports-after-two-official-visits-elsewhere-former-cowboys-running/article_d4b70e60-dcd6-5e47-bbdf-0262f77fbd43.html

[off topic]The Roe v. Wade decision was nothing but a political decision. Of course we know that lawyers are super smart genuises and don't need to attend medical school to make a decision about the beginning of life. If I had known going to law school made one an instant expert in everything I could have saved myself about 5 years of training. Or, I could have just gotten a job as a government beaurocrat and saved 8 years of training.[/off topic]

[badger]

an instant expert in everything

No, you're thinking of an MBA :P

[KantoSooner]

Fanin, since the Constitution is the foundation of our political system, there is no way any supreme court decision can be said to be non- or a-political. And I think you'd find plenty of folks from the religious world, the realms of philosophy, bio-ethics, biology and many others who'd challenge the exclusive right of medical doctors to decide on this matter.
That's why we have a Supreme Court.