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FaninAma
12/2/2014, 09:44 AM
From the American Academy of Family Physisicans.

THE FIRST CONCUSSION

The type of concussion most frequently encountered by a clinician covering an athletic event is the mild form known in sports as the “ding” or “bellringer.” As mentioned above, the major guidelines propose similar approaches to the management of these injuries. If concussion symptoms clear away within 15 minutes and if no associated loss of consciousness or post-traumatic amnesia has occurred, the athlete may return to play that day. Some guidelines would permit an immediate return to play once the player is asymptomatic7 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b7); others recommend a 15- or 20-minute wait after symptoms have disappeared.3 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b3),8 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b8),12 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b12)
When an athlete experiences symptoms of concussion that last for more than 15 minutes or sustains a concussion associated with post-traumatic amnesia, the major guidelines agree that the athlete should be removed from the contest and should not return to play until asymptomatic for at least one week.7 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b7)–9 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b9),12 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b12) In practice, this means that an athlete who suffers a concussion during a Friday night contest and is subsequently restricted for one week may be able to play the following Friday evening. The athlete should undergo exertional testing, such as running drills and noncontact activity in practice, one to several days before returning to regular play. The guidelines also agree that an athlete who suffers any loss of consciousness should be removed from the game and should not be allowed to return to play for a minimum of one week.

Second-Impact Syndrome

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All of the guidelines focus on the question of when it is safe for an athlete to return to play after an apparent concussion. Several serious risks are associated with premature return to play. The most serious is second-impact syndrome. This syndrome was first described in 1973.1 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b1) Second-impact syndrome occurs in players who return to competition before the symptoms of a first concussion have completely resolved. A second blow to the head, even a minor one, can result in a loss of autoregulation of the brain's blood supply; this leads to a vascular engorgement and subsequent herniation of the brain that is usually fatal.3 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b3) Since 1992, 17 cases of second-impact syndrome have been reported.15 (http://www.soonerfans.com/#afp19990901p887-b15) This translates to one or two cases per year resulting from injuries sustained in football alone.

I am assuming this is Petty's first concussion which it may or may not be. If it is his second or more then it becomes even more serious. I certainly think he had symptoms for longer than 15 minutes. I wathced as he left the field after the game against TT and he was covering his ears which indicated loud noises were causing him discomfort.

The question is what will the Baylor medical staff do? Will the Baylor coaching staff put any pressure on them to clear him? After seeing what happened to Ash at Texas Petty would be an idiot to jepordize his pro career with another concussion this year.

KantoSooner
12/2/2014, 10:06 AM
Whether or not he has had an 'official' previous concussion, it is almost certain that in ten years or so of playing football he's had his bell rung. Playing him this week will be highly irresponsible. Mind you, if Baylor doesn't play him, their chances to make the playoffs disappear, win or lose. So it's a bitter call either way.

rock on sooner
12/2/2014, 10:11 AM
Whether or not he has had an 'official' previous concussion, it is almost certain that in ten years or so of playing football he's had his bell rung. Playing him this week will be highly irresponsible. Mind you, if Baylor doesn't play him, their chances to make the playoffs disappear, win or lose. So it's a bitter call either way.

^^^^^^this about the bell being rung^^^^^^Long term health and safety is paramount,
but Briles will play him....

badger
12/2/2014, 10:27 AM
Brains don't heal like scabby knees, broken bones, etc. The damage done will continue to build like a compounding interest investment :(:(:(

But, college football only lasts 4 years (6 if you're Jason White or whorn's Shipley). If he passes a concussion test, leave it up to him.

If he fails, you are a terrible person and should be chastised endlessly if you allow him to play. Take his helmet and put it in a lockbox.

David Earl
12/2/2014, 10:57 AM
I tend toward the super cautious on this sort of thing. I was thinking Petty got hurt earlier in the year. May be getting him mixed up with another player. If this is a repeat concussion I sure hope Petty is careful with his decision.

badger
12/2/2014, 11:03 AM
I tend toward the super cautious on this sort of thing. I was thinking Petty got hurt earlier in the year. May be getting him mixed up with another player. If this is a repeat concussion I sure hope Petty is careful with his decision.

You are correct that he was previously injured, but it was reported as a back injury (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24690793/baylors-petty-day-to-day-with-back-injury) last time. Still, your spine is nothing to fool around with. One wrong move and you're paralyzed for life :(

KantoSooner
12/2/2014, 11:09 AM
On the other hand, he won't be hit by Oakman, so that reduces his risk of intentional/illegal injury by a significant amount.

FaninAma
12/2/2014, 11:48 AM
On the other hand, he won't be hit by Oakman, so that reduces his risk of intentional/illegal injury by a significant amount.

LOL. I bet Briles is very quick to reign in the cheap shot stuff when Baylor is practicing against its own players.

BoulderSooner79
12/2/2014, 11:50 AM
I'm guessing the medical staff (aka Doctor Briles) will clear him after he passes the concussion protocol with flying colors. Or was that the backup doing the concussion protocol for him? It can be confusing with all those players and numbers to deal with.

FaninAma
12/2/2014, 11:51 AM
I tend toward the super cautious on this sort of thing. I was thinking Petty got hurt earlier in the year. May be getting him mixed up with another player. If this is a repeat concussion I sure hope Petty is careful with his decision.

I think it was his lower back. I actually think he had a sacral or coccyx fracture which causes a lot of pain but isn't that serious. If I were K-State I would ignore the possibility of Petty running the football. That makes their read-option a whole lot less effective.

cvsooner
12/2/2014, 01:04 PM
Snyder's defensive personnel will be looking for any opportunity to ring his bell again, if history is any guide.

birddog
12/2/2014, 01:22 PM
Agreed. KSU is a well-disciplined team that'll find a way to make Petty uncomfortable.

EatLeadCommie
12/2/2014, 02:24 PM
Not everybody is Ash when it comes to concussions. Most of these kids see concussions before they get out of HS, and most probably never have them diagnosed. If he passes a concussion test, play him. He sounded perfectly lucid after the game. I think he plays.

FaninAma
12/2/2014, 04:02 PM
Not everybody is Ash when it comes to concussions. Most of these kids see concussions before they get out of HS, and most probably never have them diagnosed. If he passes a concussion test, play him. He sounded perfectly lucid after the game. I think he plays.

I think he will play, too. I also think that if Briles allows him to run much he(Briles) is more cold-blooded than I thought he was. Finally, Bryce and his bruised brain should expect to see KSU's complete blitz package.

8timechamps
12/2/2014, 04:51 PM
If I were his coach, there's no way I would let him play. That said, if there's any opening for him to be cleared, it'll be exploited...Briles will play him. And that's sad.

Eielson
12/2/2014, 04:55 PM
If I'm playing doctor, I probably don't play him, because I'm concerned about his health.

If I'm playing coach, I probably play him, because I'm concerned about him winning a championship.

SicEmBaylor
12/2/2014, 05:33 PM
He's going to have to play, yes.

SicEmBaylor
12/2/2014, 05:33 PM
I think he will play, too. I also think that if Briles allows him to run much he(Briles) is more cold-blooded than I thought he was. Finally, Bryce and his bruised brain should expect to see KSU's complete blitz package.

Briles hasn't allowed him to run much the entire season since he hurt his back.

SicEmBaylor
12/2/2014, 05:35 PM
I tend toward the super cautious on this sort of thing. I was thinking Petty got hurt earlier in the year. May be getting him mixed up with another player. If this is a repeat concussion I sure hope Petty is careful with his decision.

The injury earlier in the year was a back injury. I think that back injury, more than anything, has had an impact on his play throughout the season.