Josh gets paid 605,000 dollars this year

[ObiKaTony]

can we all agree he should be making a dollar above minimum wage? I couldn't believe he made that much...great article about why his pay is outrageous for the output.

http://stormininnorman.com/2014/11/20/oklahomas-josh-heupel-problem/

[Therealsouthsider]

....how much talent does it take to say' hand-off to Perine' or 'throw it to Shepard' ? Not sure it's $600,000+ worth


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[SicEmBaylor]

We don't release salary numbers, but my guess is that we pay OC Montgomery no more than $450k. I may be wrong, but that's just a guess.

I'd say OU is paying for a lemon.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

The article sums up my thoughts. I don't know why Heupel calls the way he does. I hate to think that he is incompetent. Is it that someone tossed him the keys to an Indy car when he has only been in the pit crew up to now?

[Breadburner]

We have the wrong horse behind center.....

[Judge Smails]

I think he also has a lucrative endorsement deal with Golden Corral.

[BigTip]

....how much talent does it take to say' hand-off to Perine'

But he doesn't even do THAT! Everyone and their dog were screaming those instructions at the TV during the first half last week. FINALLY he figured it out and started saying it in the second half.

Yes I know it won't work all the time, but against the 100th rated defense vs the run, (or whatever rank they were)...duh!!

[Temujin]

I think what bothers me about Heupel is that he's so schizophrenic. One minute he seems brilliant, and the next he gets in a horrible play-calling rut. That and there are moments like mentioned in the article, where what he does is baffling. Passing against a terrible run team. Passing against a top pass defense. Running up the middle when everyone in the universe sees it coming.

I get the sense that his inexperience is causing him to overthink things (a problem on defense, IMO, as well), and that it hinders him because he has to "learn on the job". That's frustrating because we really shouldn't be testing out offensive coordinators here at OU. We should have guys that know what they're doing.

[soonergirlNeugene]

I think what bothers me about Heupel is that he's so schizophrenic. One minute he seems brilliant, and the next he gets in a horrible play-calling rut. That and there are moments like mentioned in the article, where what he does is baffling. Passing against a terrible run team. Passing against a top pass defense. Running up the middle when everyone in the universe sees it coming.

I get the sense that his inexperience is causing him to overthink things (a problem on defense, IMO, as well), and that it hinders him because he has to "learn on the job". That's frustrating because we really shouldn't be testing out offensive coordinators here at OU. We should have guys that know what they're doing.

I think it has less to do with him being in a "rut" than it does with him being outschemed on the other side. The problem is that too many defensive coordinators have gotten the better of him.

[Mookie91]

Unfortunately Monday Morning QBs fail to understand that against good teams players have to make plays. This Sooner team has had a ton of mistakes by players this year.

[ObiKaTony]

Ask Tim tebow to be a drop back passer Scheme matters, josh doesn't have a clue

[Mookie91]

Ask Tim tebow to be a drop back passer Scheme matters, josh doesn't have a clue

So next year when we have a smaller inexperienced line we run the option? Like it or not in the college game now you need balance and Heupel tries that. The offense is scoring 35+ in every game even with Knight's inconsistencies and Thomas' non-existence. If the team was scoring 24 points a game this would be on Josh but it's not.

If you guys really want to place blame on the coaches, it's recruiting because the guys they put in the field aren't getting it done.

[8timechamps]

I have no problems with Heupel.

He's the "easy" target when things go bad, but he's not been nearly as bad as some think. Offense wasn't the problem in the TCU/KSU games, and if you want to blame him for the Baylor loss, that's fine, but that blame falls on every coach/player on the team.

[ObiKaTony]

So next year when we have a smaller inexperienced line we run the option? Like it or not in the college game now you need balance and Heupel tries that. The offense is scoring 35+ in every game even with Knight's inconsistencies and Thomas' non-existence. If the team was scoring 24 points a game this would be on Josh but it's not.

If you guys really want to place blame on the coaches, it's recruiting because the guys they put in the field aren't getting it done.


Well I fundamentally disagree with you and I'll let the article and Josh's resignation in jan or feb do the talking...

[ObiKaTony]

I have no problems with Heupel.

He's the "easy" target when things go bad, but he's not been nearly as bad as some think. Offense wasn't the problem in the TCU/KSU games, and if you want to blame him for the Baylor loss, that's fine, but that blame falls on every coach/player on the team.


I think I'll blame josh more now since we have a stud back there who is crushing peterson's records and we still tried to run that BS offense for the first half of the season. It seemed like every damn play was to Shepard and pin point pass plays (not exactly knights strong suit as the article articulates)

Ever since you told me I don't know football while seeing more of your comments, I feel better about my knowledge daily. There is no doubt josh doesn't know what he has even at half time in some games. I'm actually surprised he didn't come out fun and gun this game...

[ObiKaTony]

I have no problems with Heupel.

He's the "easy" target when things go bad, but he's not been nearly as bad as some think. Offense wasn't the problem in the TCU/KSU games, and if you want to blame him for the Baylor loss, that's fine, but that blame falls on every coach/player on the team.

Are you beyond not being politically correct? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but even when placing blame you give a speech like a politician (and this is football) of course every player, coach, and hell you can throw in fans have blame or credit for a game, but looking in the prism of totality with regards to this season there is no doubt josh is not cutting it, and he sure as hell shouldn't be getting a top paying salary for coordinators. So please, do us all a favor and be more real, this isn't a college classroom where a number 2 pencil would be offended if someone else had a number 1 pencil.

[ObiKaTony]

I think what bothers me about Heupel is that he's so schizophrenic. One minute he seems brilliant, and the next he gets in a horrible play-calling rut. That and there are moments like mentioned in the article, where what he does is baffling. Passing against a terrible run team. Passing against a top pass defense. Running up the middle when everyone in the universe sees it coming.

I get the sense that his inexperience is causing him to overthink things (a problem on defense, IMO, as well), and that it hinders him because he has to "learn on the job". That's frustrating because we really shouldn't be testing out offensive coordinators here at OU. We should have guys that know what they're doing.

Yes, yes, yes...

[OU Adonis]

So next year when we have a smaller inexperienced line we run the option? Like it or not in the college game now you need balance and Heupel tries that. The offense is scoring 35+ in every game even with Knight's inconsistencies and Thomas' non-existence. If the team was scoring 24 points a game this would be on Josh but it's not.

If you guys really want to place blame on the coaches, it's recruiting because the guys they put in the field aren't getting it done.

Balance is overrated. Look at the SEC and NC's of late. Do you think they are balanced Os?

[ObiKaTony]

Balance is overrated. Look at the SEC and NC's of late. Do you think they are balanced Os?

Totally agree:

You play with what talent and skill sets you have on offense. Making knight a drop back passer with this line and stable of running backs was wrong, we all know it was now. He is the evaluator of talent, he failed, he makes 605k a year a OU. Cut his pay or make him go someplace else.

[Eielson]

I understand the hate for Heupel, and I'm not his biggest fan.

However, I'm not sure why we're complaining today. We played in such awful conditions that the opposing team could barely get first downs. We were also missing our starting QB as well as our best player. Missing those two guys absolutely crippled our pass offense, yet we still scored 41 points, and could have easily been in the 50's had we not let up in the fourth quarter.

I'll save my complaints for another day.

[ObiKaTony]

I understand the hate for Heupel, and I'm not his biggest fan.

However, I'm not sure why we're complaining today. We played in such awful conditions that the opposing team could barely get first downs. We were also missing our starting QB as well as our best player. Missing those two guys absolutely crippled our pass offense, yet we still scored 41 points, and could have easily been in the 50's had we not let up in the fourth quarter.

I'll save my complaints for another day.

We have three losses in nov, and we won without our qb and best player, we might have even played better without them because it makes josh not spike himself with the play calling. I think it puts things in greater perspective...

[BoulderSooner79]

I understand the hate for Heupel, and I'm not his biggest fan.

However, I'm not sure why we're complaining today. We played in such awful conditions that the opposing team could barely get first downs. We were also missing our starting QB as well as our best player. Missing those two guys absolutely crippled our pass offense, yet we still scored 41 points, and could have easily been in the 50's had we not let up in the fourth quarter.

I'll save my complaints for another day.

What the h.ell kind of attitude is that ? That gratitude crap will only serve to control your stress and lower your blood pressure, so be careful.


:tongue:

[Mookie91]

17th ranked offense, 55th ranked defense so yeah let's fire Heupel :bi_polo:

[Piware]

It doesn't matter what you game plan or scheme if the players on the field don't execute. It wasn't JH's fault when Hunnicut got snake bit and left 9 points on the field, not his fault Sterling pulled a groin muscle and that Trevor went down. The only thing Josh did, not so much lately, was the old Mangino "treat first down like it's a throwaway down".

The Pukes pay their OC $400K per year and he is in so far over his head they are going to have to pipe air to him or run him off.

I hate this business of fans discussing salaries like they are paying it out of their own pocket. Bottom line is that the OC is Bob's decision and it is too bad that the last QB to deliver a National Championship is being talked about like he is a doofus by a bunch of arm chair QBs.

[rock on sooner]

Recognizing full well this is a message/opinion board...reading this thread
there are minimum 5, maybe 6 candidates to replace Josh...at least in their
own minds.....:biggrin:

[BoulderSooner79]

Recognizing full well this is a message/opinion board...reading this thread
there are minimum 5, maybe 6 candidates to replace Josh...at least in their
own minds.....:biggrin:

I wouldn't take Josh's job even though $605k is way more than I'm currently paid. At least people don't hate me for going to work everyday at my 99 percenter job, so I'll stick with that.

But yeah, I would be an OC upgrade. :D

[rock on sooner]

I wouldn't take Josh's job even though $605k is way more than I'm currently paid. At least people don't hate me for going to work everyday at my 99 percenter job, so I'll stick with that.

But yeah, I would be an OC upgrade. :D

Heh, ifn yer sayin..Perine left, Perine right, Perine up the middle
and give 'im a breather with Ross, Brooks or Smith fer a series..
then CT with a flat pass (assuming the weather is dry), then, Okay,
you got the job....btw...Ford is a slot receiver as a decoy, til he can
show he can hold on to the ball....mebbe do an end around or have
Bell take a direct snap....hmmmm, I'll do that fer $400K, since I'm
retired, I take it all back, yer fired! Afore yew can start! Bob, are
yew listenin'(readin")...Oh My?! Hold it, my beer is empty and the
Broncos are losin'...be right back!

[rock on sooner]

Okay, I'm back...fresh beer, Broncos are up and scored again..all is good!!

[8timechamps]

I think I'll blame josh more now since we have a stud back there who is crushing peterson's records and we still tried to run that BS offense for the first half of the season. It seemed like every damn play was to Shepard and pin point pass plays (not exactly knights strong suit as the article articulates)

Ever since you told me I don't know football while seeing more of your comments, I feel better about my knowledge daily. There is no doubt josh doesn't know what he has even at half time in some games. I'm actually surprised he didn't come out fun and gun this game...

I'm happy that you've convinced yourself you know the game. It's very apparent to me that you do not. Please, point out any of my comments that show my lack of knowledge. Based on what you've posted here, I feel very comfortable saying my knowledge of the game exceeds yours by light years. You should probably stick to watching the games and pretending you know what's going on.

[8timechamps]

Are you beyond not being politically correct? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but even when placing blame you give a speech like a politician (and this is football) of course every player, coach, and hell you can throw in fans have blame or credit for a game, but looking in the prism of totality with regards to this season there is no doubt josh is not cutting it, and he sure as hell shouldn't be getting a top paying salary for coordinators. So please, do us all a favor and be more real, this isn't a college classroom where a number 2 pencil would be offended if someone else had a number 1 pencil.

So, tell me exactly what Heupel has done so badly. Avoid the "he's a bad play caller", or "he didn't use the right offense" generalizations. I want tangible proof that he's a bad coordinator. Take your time, I'll wait.

[ObiKaTony]

So, tell me exactly what Heupel has done so badly. Avoid the "he's a bad play caller", or "he didn't use the right offense" generalizations. I want tangible proof that he's a bad coordinator. Take your time, I'll wait.

Refer to the article and his 'promotion to leave' at the end of the year dude...it will be a couple more months so glad you are patient...

[8timechamps]

Refer to the article and his 'promotion to leave' at the end of the year dude...it will be a couple more months so glad you are patient...

I read the article, and I still don't see anything that says he's leaving. In fact, it says the opposite:


Josh Heupel is a problem that isn’t going away. I say that because of Stoops’ reluctance to fire coordinators in the past. Also because Heupel’s salary of $605,000 this season places him among the highest paid coordinators in the country. But rest assured, until Heupel is out of Norman, Oklahoma’s offense will lack the consistency and continuity that it takes to win at the highest level.

[ObiKaTony]

Refer to the article, as he makes my points for me. He will be gone because stoops
Won't see his aptitude at being offensive coordinator as you do. He will leave, but you will say because he got a promotion not taking any integrity hit...

[ObiKaTony]

You did the same thing with Venebles...

[8timechamps]

You did the same thing with Venebles...

Yeah, and how's Mike working out? We have had a horrible defense for the majority of the year.

[8timechamps]

Refer to the article, as he makes my points for me. He will be gone because stoops
Won't see his aptitude at being offensive coordinator as you do. He will leave, but you will say because he got a promotion not taking any integrity hit...

I'm not talking about arbitrary statements. I want you to tell me, exactly, what Heupel has done that makes him a horrible OC. If he's gone at the end of the year, then I will suspect it's because Stoops told him it was time to move on. If he's not, which he won't be, then I will assume I was right...and you'll continue to profess that anyone that doesn't agree with you has a low football IQ.

[FaninAma]

So, tell me exactly what Heupel has done so badly. Avoid the "he's a bad play caller", or "he didn't use the right offense" generalizations. I want tangible proof that he's a bad coordinator. Take your time, I'll wait.

He had some pretty weak calls on crucial 3rd and 4th downs in both the TCU and KSU games. Overall I would give him a B- for the year.

[PalmBeachSooner]

The article sums up my thoughts. I don't know why Heupel calls the way he does. I hate to think that he is incompetent. Is it that someone tossed him the keys to an Indy car when he has only been in the pit crew up to now?

It worked for Ricky Bobby.

[BoulderSooner79]

It worked for Ricky Bobby.

You lost your job. You lost your wife. Don't lose your best friend.

[Soonerjeepman]

If you're not first, your last....

[PalmBeachSooner]

So, tell me exactly what Heupel has done so badly. Avoid the "he's a bad play caller", or "he didn't use the right offense" generalizations. I want tangible proof that he's a bad coordinator. Take your time, I'll wait.

I think what makes Josh a bad OC is that he keeps doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results (insanity). This is especially true in short yardage situations. We are the most predictable team in the history of college football in that situation. That stupid delayed hand off out of the pistol or whatever it's called while bunching everyone at the line makes it easy for a corner to blitz and hit the runner in the back field before he has a chance to get any momentum, see TCU, KSU as classic examples. In addition, Perine is not the best back to run that. He doesn't have the quickest 1st step. If the corner blitzes or the DL gets a push, it fails every time. Where's the Belldozer? Why not put Jordan Phillips in the backfield and let him pancake someone (see Baylor game).

[AzianSooner]

Coaches got high salary mostly for handling fans' curses.

[cvsooner]

I think what makes Josh a bad OC is that he keeps doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results (insanity). This is especially true in short yardage situations. We are the most predictable team in the history of college football in that situation.

Coach Switzer and his wishbone would beg to differ re: most predictable team in history of college football.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Can anyone name an OC that fans didn't want fired?

My issues have been more play design and QB development than play calling..

FWIW, I was against the Heupel hire from the beginning as well as the Mike Stoops hire. I think it was too much too soon for Heupel. I personally think he is getting better. But that isn't saying much.

[Pride1Mom]

It has not been our offense, but the defense that let the other teams score more. Usually if you score 30 points or more you should win. Also, calling plays and having them executed correctly are two different things. Don't complain too much, as Heupel is the one responsible for getting Sam Bradford. OU won the national championship 13-2.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

whuh?

[8timechamps]

He had some pretty weak calls on crucial 3rd and 4th downs in both the TCU and KSU games. Overall I would give him a B- for the year.

I think that's a very fair assessment. He's not been a rockstar all year, no argument from me there, but I think he's been fine for the most part.

[Mookie91]

He had some pretty weak calls on crucial 3rd and 4th downs in both the TCU and KSU games. Overall I would give him a B- for the year.

3rd and 4th and 1 yard you'd think the "largest O Line in football history" could push forward for a yard. The difficult thing with being a college football fan is 90 percent of the things that go wrong are the fault of a 19 year old kid not getting paid. If you want the real reason this team has three loses, these kids aren't playing well enough. Hunnicut, Knight, Wilson, Sanchez, pretty much the entire defense and the offensive line have been shaky from time to time. We are kidding ourselves if we think Bill Belichick would've got Hunnicut to make that chip shot.

[birddog]

whuh?

Yeah I'm not sure about that one either.

[Eielson]

Also, calling plays and having them executed correctly are two different things.

Yeah, but the same person is to blame for both.

[champions77]

JH is by far the worst OC Bob has had in his 16 years. And what is most troubling is that we may not be able to get rid of him, i.e. Boren connection.
In the 4th and short plays against TCU and KState, I was pleading for him to call zone read and have the QB keep it, it never happened. Having the short field late at TCU after TCU turnovers was maybe the worst play calling since Joe Dickinson. Never gave us a chance. We went quietly in both of those losses.

Bob's "convenient" hires of James Patton (Kevin Wilson's friend from their Northwestern days), Bruce Kittle (Iowa teammate, couldn't coach and couldn't recruit) Jay Norvell (ole friend) and is responsible for the weakest receiving corp top to bottom that Bob has ever had, even though I think he is a good coach, and Josh Heupel, what was he 30 when he took over? OU has not won an outright BIG XII Conference title since he was installed in 2011. Never before had OU been a place where a coach went to learn his trade, until Josh was hired. To say he is not equipped to be overseeing this type of offense...is a gross understatement.

[Turd_Ferguson]

The difficult thing with being a college football fan is 90 percent of the things that go wrong are the fault of a 19 year old kid not getting paid.

Bull butter.

[Piware]

I'm not talking about arbitrary statements. I want you to tell me, exactly, what Heupel has done that makes him a horrible OC. If he's gone at the end of the year, then I will suspect it's because Stoops told him it was time to move on. If he's not, which he won't be, then I will assume I was right...and you'll continue to profess that anyone that doesn't agree with you has a low football IQ.

I will be sitting with 8time because I want to hear this answer myself.

[ObiKaTony]

It's blatantly obvious josh is not equipped...great player. But not near ready for this type of job (yet)

[ObiKaTony]

JH is by far the worst OC Bob has had in his 16 years. And what is most troubling is that we may not be able to get rid of him, i.e. Boren connection.
In the 4th and short plays against TCU and KState, I was pleading for him to call zone read and have the QB keep it, it never happened. Having the short field late at TCU after TCU turnovers was maybe the worst play calling since Joe Dickinson. Never gave us a chance. We went quietly in both of those losses.

Bob's "convenient" hires of James Patton (Kevin Wilson's friend from their Northwestern days), Bruce Kittle (Iowa teammate, couldn't coach and couldn't recruit) Jay Norvell (ole friend) and is responsible for the weakest receiving corp top to bottom that Bob has ever had, even though I think he is a good coach, and Josh Heupel, what was he 30 when he took over? OU has not won an outright BIG XII Conference title since he was installed in 2011. Never before had OU been a place where a coach went to learn his trade, until Josh was hired. To say he is not equipped to be overseeing this type of offense...is a gross understatement.

That sounds too damn good. Well said my friend. But wait! You aren't a coach, you can't make logical assessments. But couldn't the opposite be true? If you aren't a coach, how do you know his assessment is wrong? Logic sucks for some...

[ObiKaTony]

I will be sitting with 8time because I want to hear this answer myself.

1) Josh's obsession into making Trevor knight something he is not (a drop back passer)

2) we have the talent to run the ball on all levels, we came out this season as a passing team, that refuses to run the read option with knight.

3) the refusal to use our 6'7 TE with hands and speed

4) Shepard in the game, be damned the run game, were throwing to Shepard 40x a game

5) the swing pass on the far side of the field, (that wasn't a check down, that was a planned call, knight didn't hesitate. Besides, who the hell makes that call anyway! Did they practice it!

6) the entire first half of Texas tech, where the announcers called us
Stupid, and how could you not. Pass? Pass? Really?

7).i have no idea what kind of offense we had with the right personnel, now that josh is forced to throw away half the playbook we break NCAA records

8) we haven't won $hit with him as o coord

9) we scored 14 points against a lousy defense in Baylor

10) we had 3 runs of 3-21 3rd down conv

11) we had 3 opportunities to win against tcu and couldn't muster 3 damn points

12) he has basically destroyed knights career as a dual threat qb which means he isn't a good qb anymore...

13) we have 3 damn losses, and we should have scored a crap ton more points.

[manateepower]

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[manateepower]

I'm not talking about arbitrary statements. I want you to tell me, exactly, what Heupel has done that makes him a horrible OC. If he's gone at the end of the year, then I will suspect it's because Stoops told him it was time to move on. If he's not, which he won't be, then I will assume I was right...and you'll continue to profess that anyone that doesn't agree with you has a low football IQ.

I will be sitting with 8time because I want to hear this answer myself.

Of course, this has been answered ad nausea him and numerous threats on the site, including this thread just a couple of posts before yours, yet you and several others continue to ignore the answers, and continue to repeat yourselves.

It has also been answered several times since your post, which I am sure you will continue to ignore

[8timechamps]

1) Josh's obsession into making Trevor knight something he is not (a drop back passer)

What obsession? Trevor is a dual threat QB. Stoops/OU has made it clear many times that OU recruits QB's that can pass first. Having a dual threat QB doesn't change that. If you're referring to this year specifically, then it's not hard to figure out why TK didn't run early in the season. There was no need to risk injury, especially considering the way our backs were preforming. I'll agree that TK's at his best when he's able to use his feet and arm, but I don't see any obsession to make him a drop back passer. Your point is your opinion, not the facts.

2) we have the talent to run the ball on all levels, we came out this season as a passing team, that refuses to run the read option with knight.

Bob Stoops (again) has made it clear that he wants his team to be balanced. In case you weren't sure, being balanced means running and passing. There have been games when our passing yardage surpassed our rushing yardage, but that is to be expected. An offense has to take what a defense is giving. IN some games, the best plan of attack was to throw the ball. As for the read option, where do you get your information? Do you know what play is run every time the ball is snapped? No. You have no idea how many times we've run the read option, you also have no idea how many times we've run a designed give from the read option. You're basing you opinion on what you think is happening, not based on any facts.

3) the refusal to use our 6'7 TE with hands and speed

Bell has 13 receptions this year (and 4 TDs). He's been targeted more than 13 times. That's more than we've used a TE in the previous few years. Didn't you just complain that we 'came out as a passing team' and we shouldn't have? Now you're upset that we haven't passed the ball to our TE more? I should stop here, because it's clear that your just frustrated, and point to any/everything that isn't working (or not working the way you want to see it). The truth is Bell has been more productive than any TE we've had in a few years, he's our 5th leading receiver and ranks second on the team (among receivers) in TDs. I'm not sure what you're ideal game plan would be, but it must have something to do with running the ball all the time and only passing to Bell. Again, this point is total conjecture on your part.

4) Shepard in the game, be damned the run game, were throwing to Shepard 40x a game

I don't even know what you're point (or gripe) is here. Do you not want the ball thrown to Shepard? The kid catches damn near everything thrown in his direction. He's clearly the best offensive player we've got. If we had another receiver that had shown the same ability, I'm sure he wouldn't have been targeted as much. Still, I don't see where this is Heupel's fault. Unless he's throwing the ball himself, this one is on the QB. So, this point should really fall in the "Get rid of Knight" category.


5) the swing pass on the far side of the field, (that wasn't a check down, that was a planned call, knight didn't hesitate. Besides, who the hell makes that call anyway! Did they practice it!

You'll have to elaborate on this...I have no idea what you're referring to.

6) the entire first half of Texas tech, where the announcers called us
Stupid, and how could you not. Pass? Pass? Really?

I'm in agreement with you here for the most part. I do think there were a couple of instances, when the offense got behind the chains, that required us to throw the ball. However, the game plan from the very beginning should have been run. The first half is on Heupel. Not his best moment. So, on this point, you're correct.

7).i have no idea what kind of offense we had with the right personnel, now that josh is forced to throw away half the playbook we break NCAA records

Again, is this a knock on Heupel? One of the reasons he's been "bad"? I have no idea what you're getting at here. Maybe you can elaborate.

8) we haven't won $hit with him as o coord

We have won a share of the conference title, and 2 bowl games in 3 years. Have the Sooners won a national title while Heupel was the OC? No. However, to say "we haven't won ****" is incorrect. I know you would only consider his tenure a success if the Sooners had won it all while he was the OC, but according to the numbers, he's won...a lot more than he's lost.

9) we scored 14 points against a lousy defense in Baylor

I'm not sure I put that loss on Heupel. The game plan from the start of the game was solid. We were up 14-3 early, and didn't seem to have a problem moving the ball (or getting it into the end zone). However, something happened (I'm still not sure what) and everyone involved had a melt-down. The blame for that game can be put on everyone from Boob Stoops to the graduate assistants. There's plenty to go around. I still believe the offensive game plan was solid from the start, but I think it's fair to throw Heupel in with the rest when it comes to laying an egg.

10) we had 3 runs of 3-21 3rd down conv

You'll have to be more specific. I know that Heupel has made some bad calls. He's made some really bad calls, but he's made far more good calls. If you can point to an offensive coordinator anywhere, at any level, that has made 100% great calls, then that's the guy we need. The truth is that every coordinator makes a bad call here or there, Heupel is no different in that regard. Again, he's made far more good calls that bad ones.

11) we had 3 opportunities to win against tcu and couldn't muster 3 damn points

Was it because of play calling? At what point does the blame shift onto the guys actually playing the game? If you want to detail the complete 4th quarter of that game, and break it down play-by-play, I'm absolutely willing to show you many occasions when players failed to execute...and I'm not talking about difficult plays, or plays in which they weren't put in a position to succeed. I'm talking about things as simple as knowing who you're supposed to block on a 4th down. The game plan in the TCU and KSU games were solid. We were able to move the ball and score. In both games, there were player mistakes. There were also some major defensive lapses. Those losses were not on the offensive play calling.

12) he has basically destroyed knights career as a dual threat qb which means he isn't a good qb anymore...

Conjecture. How has he "destroyed" Knights career? I don't know if you know this, but Knight wasn't exactly lighting it up last year. His best game was the Sugar Bowl (whoops, that was another Heupel game plan). He has been inconsistent this year, but has continued to develop. Didn't he have his best game against Iowa State? The game before he was hurt. You're going to have to tell me, exactly, how Heupel has "destroyed" his career, because this just seems like you're grasping at straws.

13) we have 3 damn losses, and we should have scored a crap ton more points.

3 losses suck. No Sooner fan is happy with a 3 loss season. However, to put the entire season on Heupel is laughable. The offense is currently ranked 11th in the nation (in points scored). Sure, I'd like it to be at #1 every year too, but that's not realistic.



The truth is you're frustrated about the way the season has gone. I don't blame you, hell, I'm right there with you. Heupel has been an easy target (all coordinators are easy targets). Nobody wants to pile on Mike Stoops because he was part of the glory days and he's Bob's brother. Mike has had a much worse year than Josh, but there isn't much of an appetite for folks to go after his head. Even though Josh has done fine, he's the lowest hanging fruit, so he's easy to pick on. That's what the mob mentality does, find an easy target and take out there frustrations on him. People don't bother to look at the actual performance, or what is/isn't in his control. They don't want to hear "execution was the reason for a poor performance" even if almost every time it's true, because that takes away from their target. It's a lot easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a player.

Our team failed to meet our expectations this year. It sucks. However, Josh Heupel is not the reason we have three losses. Could he have done a better job? Probably. The first half of the Tech game was ugly. So, again, I'm not saying he's the greatest OC to ever coach football...I'm saying he's good. He has the capacity to win at OU.

The list you've compiled is mostly conjecture or opinion on your part. Very little of it is substantial, and almost none of it is based in real fact. Maybe, just maybe, you should go back and rethink your position. Walk away from the mob mentality and evaluate what, exactly, has transpired this season. If you do that, I think you'll find that Josh has been more than adequate. He's been good enough to win the conference, and based on his ability to plan for a big bowl game, I think he's good enough to win a title. But, it takes a hell of a lot more than one coach to make that happen.

[8timechamps]

Of course, this has been answered ad nausea him and numerous threats on the site, including this thread just a couple of posts before yours, yet you and several others continue to ignore the answers, and continue to repeat yourselves.

It has also been answered several times since your post, which I am sure you will continue to ignore

But it hasn't been answered. I've seen a lot of generalizations and opinion, but no real diagnosis. That's what this thread (my conversation with Okaitoby (sp?) is about).

[ObiKaTony]

I don't think one person has said our losses have come solely from josh H. That would be absurd. I and quite frankly most are saying this is Oklahoma, and mediocrity is not met with kindness. We will NOT win a championship with Josh, he is too sporadic and I believe doesn't have the experience. Oklahoma, and 605k doesn't justify 'learning as you go' the 3 strings of 3-21 on 3rd down is more than enough evidence. What else do you need?

[ObiKaTony]

I'm on my iPhone so no time for a book. Barry switzer threw to the TE. Josh was obsessed wigb making knight a passer what the heck are you seeing? Risk inhury? Does that mean Tommie Fraser shouldn't have run the option. Ironically enough knights season ended on a drop back pass play. This whole thing of playing scared, is ridiculous...

[ObiKaTony]

This entire thing doesn't mean a damn thing. Josh is gone by the end of the season

[8timechamps]

I'm on my iPhone so no time for a book. Barry switzer threw to the TE. Josh was obsessed wigb making knight a passer what the heck are you seeing? Risk inhury? Does that mean Tommie Fraser shouldn't have run the option. Ironically enough knights season ended on a drop back pass play. This whole thing of playing scared, is ridiculous...


You need to gather your thoughts before you reply, your responses are all over the place. Barry Switzer? Tommie Frazier? Okay, well it's been fun.

[ObiKaTony]

You need to gather your thoughts before you reply, your responses are all over the place. Barry Switzer? Tommie Frazier? Okay, well it's been fun.

You need to get the point sir, I was making fun of you. It doesn't matter if thoughts are gathered faster than an Egyptian slave. As several have pointed out, it doesn't matter what logic, facts, or what actaully has happens you dismiss what reality you don't like. I don't hold it against you, quite the opposite. I just got tired of saying the same thing the over and over. Hence why I needed saying, 'josh is gone/fired by the end of the year...' Now were done...

[Snrinhouston]

I think what bothers me about Heupel is that he's so schizophrenic. One minute he seems brilliant, and the next he gets in a horrible play-calling rut. That and there are moments like mentioned in the article, where what he does is baffling. Passing against a terrible run team. Passing against a top pass defense. Running up the middle when everyone in the universe sees it coming.

I get the sense that his inexperience is causing him to overthink things (a problem on defense, IMO, as well), and that it hinders him because he has to "learn on the job". That's frustrating because we really shouldn't be testing out offensive coordinators here at OU. We should have guys that know what they're doing.

exactly right.

[Eielson]

OC's that "know what they're doing" are HC's, or are in the NFL.