Dang, I miss the drama and controversy

[BoulderSooner79]

With OU out of the CFP race, there is nary a mention of the committee rankings here. I sure wish we were undefeated and smugly looking down on the poor loser teams. I would even embrace being a 1 loss team on the outside looking in and bitching and moaning about the committee and SEC bias. Guess I'll just have to watch the Housewives of New Jersey or some s.hit to get my drama fix. Sigh.

[SicEmBaylor]

If it makes you feel any better, there's a **** load of drama in my house tonight over the CFP. Head over to baylorfans.com if you want your fill.

I'm trying to stay calm and not get too pissed until everything shakes out at the end of the season, but I definitely have pulled my pitchfork out of the closet and I'm sharpening it as we speak.

[8timechamps]

Even if we were in the hunt, I just can't get excited about the process. I'm not opposed to the way it is working, but I don't see much of a point in getting worked up (one way or the other) knowing that there is still a considerable amount of time left for things to change.

I will say that I am disappointed in what I have seen so far. I thought the committee was going to go into to this looking at things from a complete point of view, and not just a carbon copy of the existing polls. It looks to me like they have used the existing polls as a benchmark for their own.

Auburn is a good example of what I'm talking about:

Auburn started the season ranked #6 in the AP Poll and #5 in the coaches poll.

My first question was "Why did they deserve to be ranked there?". If they're basing last year's season as a starting point, and given Auburn played in the title game (and kept it close), then that ranking seems justified. However, if that's the benchmark, why is Alabama ranked 1) ahead of Oklahoma and 2) ahead of Auburn? Both teams beat Alabama in their last two games. So, that's a major inconsistency with the polls, but those aren't supposed to have any bearing on the playoff committee...right?

The Playoff committee releases their first poll after week 10. After the first 10 weeks of football, Auburn has 1 loss to Mississippi State (which is ranked #1 in the debut playoff rankings). With a record of 6-1, Auburn is ranked #3 in the initial playoff rankings. There are quite a number of one loss teams behind Auburn, but according to the playoff committee, Auburn is still the 3rd best team in the country. If we are to believe Mississippi State is the best team in the country (according to the committee), then it stands to reason that Auburn (who's only loss was a close one to Mississippi State) shouldn't have fallen much.

Then, two weeks later, Auburn loses to Texas A&M. Not only did they lose, it was to an unranked A&M team (which moved back into the top 25 the following week). That should be an 'ugly' loss, which historically has put teams in a free fall in the polls. The result: Auburn drops from #3 to #9, 6 spots. Not much of a drop for a team that now has it's second loss. So, the committee looks at it and says, Auburn lost a close game to a team we ranked again (because they beat a ranked Auburn) and their only other loss was to our #1 team. I can still buy in, but it's a bit of a stretch to keep Auburn in the top 10, considering they lost to an unranked (at the time) team. But, Okay, it is what it is...

The very next week (last week), Auburn loses again. This time, it's a very ugly loss to #15 ranked Georgia. The score was 34-7, but the game wasn't as close as even that score indicated. Auburn, after their third loss, drops to #14.

Just to recap, Auburn starts the year ranked 6/5 in the non-playoff polls. Loses 3 games; one to a top 10 team (Mississippi State) and one to an unranked team (A&M) and one to #15 ranked Georgia. Their worst loss (a blowout) was to Georgia, ranked #15 at the time. Auburn gets ranked #14 in the most recent playoff poll.

If you take a look at the other polls (AP/Coaches), you'll see that Auburn is ranked 14/16 respectively. This is where I start having an issue with the committee's rankings. We all know that the media and coaches polls are based off of preseason rankings. I think we've all agreed that preseason rankings are fairly worthless, and arbitrary. That's the reason we were told the committee wouldn't be releasing a pre-season poll and that their poll would take everything that had occurred, in the first 9 weeks of the season, into account.

If that last part is true, it's a very strange coincidence that the committee ranks Auburn in virtually the same place the other polls have them ranked. At least you can follow the reasoning of the other polls (since they use the preseason poll as a benchmark). The committee's poll looks an awful lot like the other polls. I'm not saying the other polls are wrong, but it just seems strange to me that it played out this way, considering the committee was supposed to go into this without predetermined rankings.

The best way to really show the disparity is to look at Oklahoma. We've lost 3 games; all three to ranked teams. All three to top 10 teams. Two of those games were close, one was ugly. Auburn lost three games; one to a top 10 team, one to a top 15 team and one to an unranked team. Their ugly loss was to 15th ranked (2 loss) Georgia. According to all the polls, but specifically the playoff poll, OU is 7 spots worse than Auburn.

If the committee was looking at the teams with an unbiased eye, and looked only at the games/opponents/score, OU would be ahead of Auburn. I have no doubt in my mind. Instead, I think the committee used the other polls as their own benchmark....which was something we were told they wouldn't do.

There's going to be big time drama when the final poll is released. It will be interesting to see who gets included and who does not. At least this time, I won't have a dog in the fight...which will make it more fun as a spectator.

[8timechamps]

If it makes you feel any better, there's a **** load of drama in my house tonight over the CFP. Head over to baylorfans.com if you want your fill.

I'm trying to stay calm and not get too pissed until everything shakes out at the end of the season, but I definitely have pulled my pitchfork out of the closet and I'm sharpening it as we speak.

The whole TCU/Baylor thing is going to be interesting to watch (from an outsider perspective). Assuming both win out and KSU drops another game, it's going to be interesting to see how things play out. Baylor still has a game to impress the committee (KSU), TCU is done (and could lose to Texas). A win over the whorns won't be overly impressive, but a loss would all but kill their chances.

If both finish the season with 1 loss, both would have an argument for a spot...but there's no way the Big XII could get two teams in, because we don't spell our conference with an S. E. or C., otherwise you both may be in.

[BoulderSooner79]

The Auburn thing does seem weird, but I can't really argue too much with the top 4 at this point. Assuming Baylor wins out they should end up being the top big12 team; but will they make the show? I think they should pass Miss St. at that point by virtue of being a conference champ. But tOSU is likely out there with the same claim. How conference champs are handled will be the most interesting reveal.

I just can't groan about the OU ranking. I get BU was a loss to a top 10 team, but an elite program should not lose like that to *anyone* on home turf. Assuming we take care of business and end up somewhere in the teens, it will be fair and I don't give a rats a.ss what they do with Auburn. 'Bama may finally pound them to be below us, whatever.

[SoonerinLA]

With Baylor's out of conference schedule this year I don't want them in. Things would certainly be more interesting with OU in the mix. That being said I am completely tired of the playoff talk. I think it has ruined college football. Take be back to pre BCS days or even BCS days. I'm completel7y burnt on on sports "experts" picking the final four.

I realize my opinions are in the minority.

[soonercastor]

Those rankings have looked fine to me, at least the top 4. I don't get worked up over rankings of teams that are out of contention because it doesn't matter.
Every week I've agreed with their top 4.
I still think the BCS rankings should determine the Top 4, but I have no problem with the committee thus far.
They have clearly stated that winning the conference matters, so that may swap Miss St TCU/Baylor at the end of the season once they have that "conf champ" label. But as of now it's fine.

[steveousiu]

I think eventually they will have to go with an 8 team playoff - why well it only adds one week to the mix, and then you can take conference champions and then 3 or 4 at large teams to make the 8. With the current system of only 4 teams, there no doubt will be some pissed off teams that might deserve to be there, however with 8 teams, if you are the 9th or 10th, well you simply should have played better. I don't care much for the rankings right now, I think everything is still leaning towards the SEC and the bias aligned with that conference. Fl State hasn't played anyone (week schedule and week conference) but they have won. The unfortunate part of that whole thing is that Jimbo Fisher cares more about wins then character! if I would Coach I would have kicked Winston off the team before the season even started. But I'm venting!!

[8timechamps]

The Auburn thing does seem weird, but I can't really argue too much with the top 4 at this point. Assuming Baylor wins out they should end up being the top big12 team; but will they make the show? I think they should pass Miss St. at that point by virtue of being a conference champ. But tOSU is likely out there with the same claim. How conference champs are handled will be the most interesting reveal.

I just can't groan about the OU ranking. I get BU was a loss to a top 10 team, but an elite program should not lose like that to *anyone* on home turf. Assuming we take care of business and end up somewhere in the teens, it will be fair and I don't give a rats a.ss what they do with Auburn. 'Bama may finally pound them to be below us, whatever.

I'm definitely not arguing that OU should be ranked higher. I think we're right where we belong right now. My concern is that, in future seasons, this could impact OU's chances. Of course we could just win every game and remove the doubt.

I don't think their top 4 represent the 4 best teams in the country right now.

Alabama - Can't argue with Bama being in the top 4. They have one loss (in a close game, on the road), otherwise, they've looked better each week.
Florida State - Again, it's hard to argue with undefeated. They haven't won convincingly, but they've won.

After those two, I start having some issues:

Oregon - Their wins are decent, but their loss was to an unranked team (at the time). What makes that a "better loss" than TCU's loss to Baylor? I don't have much of an argument against the Ducks being in the top 4, I just don't think they deserve the spot over TCU.

Mississippi State - Again, I don't have a problem with their ranking, just seems like they really benefited from the SEC being so highly ranked pre-season. They have beaten 1 ranked team (Bama). The rest of the ranked teams they beat, are no longer ranked. However, I have watched MSU play, and there is an argument that they are one of the top 4 teams in the country.

I should be clear...I'm not losing sleep over any of this...but, I do find it all interesting.

There will be major blow-back when the 4 teams are announced. My hope is that the response is so loud, they are forced to expand to 8 teams. I know the team ranked #9 will moan that they weren't included...but it's going to be much harder for that team to get external support (being that they are ranked 9).

[8timechamps]

Those rankings have looked fine to me, at least the top 4. I don't get worked up over rankings of teams that are out of contention because it doesn't matter.
Every week I've agreed with their top 4.
I still think the BCS rankings should determine the Top 4, but I have no problem with the committee thus far.
They have clearly stated that winning the conference matters, so that may swap Miss St TCU/Baylor at the end of the season once they have that "conf champ" label. But as of now it's fine.

The problem is that the methodology used to rank all teams (including the ones out of the top 4) is the same. My point is that the committee appears to be using the other polls as a benchmark for their poll. We were told they wouldn't be doing that (since we can all agree that preseason polls are very hit and miss at best, arbitrary at worst).

[BoulderSooner79]

I think they are considering injuries when they look at the Ducks as they said they would. The Ducks were devastated on the O-line when they lost and Mariotta was getting sacked left and right. They have a couple guys back and the FR are getting better now. I actually don't mind the committee taking this sort of issue into account. I recall Bradford going out on the 1st snap of the TTech game in '07 and that might have been considered in this format. Regardless, my money says the Ducks drop another one anyway due to their defense.

I don't mind Miss St. being 4 now, but they should drop if they don't win the conference which is likely. If there are no more upsets, the biggest intrigue may well end up being the big12 with TCU/Baylor co-champs and BU having the head to head.

[8timechamps]

I think they are considering injuries when they look at the Ducks as they said they would. The Ducks were devastated on the O-line when they lost and Mariotta was getting sacked left and right. They have a couple guys back and the FR are getting better now. I actually don't mind the committee taking this sort of issue into account. I recall Bradford going out on the 1st snap of the TTech game in '07 and that might have been considered in this format. Regardless, my money says the Ducks drop another one anyway due to their defense.

I don't mind Miss St. being 4 now, but they should drop if they don't win the conference which is likely. If there are no more upsets, the biggest intrigue may well end up being the big12 with TCU/Baylor co-champs and BU having the head to head.

You're right, they did say they would account for injuries. I'm good with that.

Well, none of it really matters until the final poll...but it gives us a glimpse into the process.

The TCU/Baylor situation will be intriguing. I'm not sure Baylor wins out though. TCU only has Texas left (and Iowa State).

[BoulderSooner79]

I actually have more confidence that Baylor wins out than TCU beating the horns. But I think they both get it done.

[Soonerjeepman]

I'm not an expert in ANY way....I haven't looked at the whole make-up of it all....BUT...

we went from polls lots of opinions), computer programs...?...to 12 guys? That doesn't seem any better...12 guys that's it?

[BoulderSooner79]

I'm not an expert in ANY way....I haven't looked at the whole make-up of it all....BUT...

we went from polls lots of opinions), computer programs...?...to 12 guys? That doesn't seem any better...12 guys that's it?

11 guys and a lesbo - NTTATWWT. There is something unique about the committee vs. the polls. With the polls, there is a large body of voters that just mail in their picks individually and it's up to statistics to weed out the biases and outliers. With the committee, you have 12 people that meet face to face and must justify their choices. And they cannot leave until they come to some sort of consensus and there is no tie breaker vote. I'm not claiming that is good, bad or indifferent; just that it is unique from what we've had before.

[BlownGP]

This is a good read guys. Thanks for making my lunch break entertaining. lol


I think MSU still being in the top 4 is b.s., but am I surprised? No, we know what conference they are in.

Living down here in SEC land, all the talk shows are saying Baylor or TCU might not even get it if OSU wins out and their conference champ game. Since the Big 12 doesn't have a conference champ game, although the big 12 plays games on that day.

Either way if both win out. I do think one of them will get in. Not sure who. That's going to get very interesting.

Like stated Texas is playing real good right now, they could spoil TCU's hope.
And we know KSU is no push... Going to be fun to watch.

[TAFBSooner]

and a lesbo

Evidence? Never-married-no-kids at least opens the possibility.

[SicEmBaylor]

With Baylor's out of conference schedule this year I don't want them in. Things would certainly be more interesting with OU in the mix. That being said I am completely tired of the playoff talk. I think it has ruined college football. Take be back to pre BCS days or even BCS days. I'm completel7y burnt on on sports "experts" picking the final four.

I realize my opinions are in the minority.

...and MSU deserves in because of their OOC schedule? tOSU deserves in even though their conference schedule is weaker than ours?

[BoulderSooner79]

Evidence? Never-married-no-kids at least opens the possibility.

Don't have any. I just live very near Stanford and all the local lesbians just affectionately call her 'Condi'

[SoonerForLife92]

Bunch of sec biased crap

[8timechamps]

...and MSU deserves in because of their OOC schedule? tOSU deserves in even though their conference schedule is weaker than ours?

My only issue with Baylor getting in is their loss. WVU is not a bad team, but the way they lost is what keeps Baylor out in my mind. I know TCU's only loss was to Baylor, but it was a very close game. If both teams finish with just the one loss, I think TCU gets the nod.

I could see a case for both Baylor and TCU to get in, but we aren't the SEC, so that's not going to happen.

[SicEmBaylor]

My only issue with Baylor getting in is their loss. WVU is not a bad team, but the way they lost is what keeps Baylor out in my mind. I know TCU's only loss was to Baylor, but it was a very close game. If both teams finish with just the one loss, I think TCU gets the nod.

I could see a case for both Baylor and TCU to get in, but we aren't the SEC, so that's not going to happen.

TCU getting in over Baylor is absolutely ridiculous beyond all reason and logic when there is a tangible head-to-head record that puts us over TCU. Hanging that much importance on a decidedly average Minnesota team is equally ridiculous as is not taking into account their struggle against Kansas and our comparative score in that game along with the comparative score of the OU game. We'll see how we do against Kansas State.

But there is no logical or reasonable argument for TCU over Baylor in the playoff. Having said that, I'm more pissed about tOSU being ahead of us than I am TCU. And if the Big XII is passed over entirely (whether it be us or TCU) then people need to show up at the selection committee with pitchforks and torches.

[BigTip]

With OU out of the CFP race, there is nary a mention of the committee rankings here. I sure wish we were undefeated and smugly looking down on the poor loser teams. I would even embrace being a 1 loss team on the outside looking in and bitching and moaning about the committee and SEC bias. .

I said this on some thread; the worst thing about being out of the race is that I don't give a crap about any outside happenings. I don't care who has to beat who for us to move up or whatever.

sigh. I too miss, maybe not the drama, but the excitement of it all and keeping up with everything.

Next year!

[Eielson]

TCU getting in over Baylor is absolutely ridiculous beyond all reason and logic when there is a tangible head-to-head record that puts us over TCU.

Yes, but anybody who watched that game knows that Baylor doesn't pull that out without some home-cooking. Those PI calls never would have happened at TCU, or even on a neutral field.


and our comparative score in that game along with the comparative score of the OU game.

Sterling Shepard played against TCU. It's kind of like playing OU after Broyles went down. Totally different ball game.


We'll see how we do against Kansas State.

...

And if the Big XII is passed over entirely (whether it be us or TCU) then people need to show up at the selection committee with pitchforks and torches.

Exactly. We'll wait and see how it plays out before freaking out, though. These kinds of things tend to sort themselves out. Everybody freaked out about the BCS, but it usually got things right in the end.

My biggest concern about this system right now is that the defending champs can be the only undefeated team team in the country, yet are still only 3rd. It appears that this new playoff poll is the worst one we have.

[8timechamps]

TCU getting in over Baylor is absolutely ridiculous beyond all reason and logic when there is a tangible head-to-head record that puts us over TCU. Hanging that much importance on a decidedly average Minnesota team is equally ridiculous as is not taking into account their struggle against Kansas and our comparative score in that game along with the comparative score of the OU game. We'll see how we do against Kansas State.

But there is no logical or reasonable argument for TCU over Baylor in the playoff. Having said that, I'm more pissed about tOSU being ahead of us than I am TCU. And if the Big XII is passed over entirely (whether it be us or TCU) then people need to show up at the selection committee with pitchforks and torches.

If Baylor had won convincingly, you'd have an argument. Also, if all things were equal, and that were the only variable at play, you'd have an argument. Neither of those things happened.

You're thinking with your Baylor brain, because the majority of folks that have discussed this are in agreement that TCU will probably beat Baylor out for the spot unless one of them loses. And sadly, it does come down to Minnesota. They are better than "decidedly average", but they aren't a powerhouse either. However, they look like a powerhouse compared to every OOC team Baylor played. Everyone knew OOC games were going to be factored in, but Baylor continues to schedule Incarnate Word. If it comes down to OOC strength of schedule, then Baylor loses every time.

Baylor still has time to turn some heads, but I just don't see them jumping TCU. Next time, don't lose to WVU.

[8timechamps]

Yes, but anybody who watched that game knows that Baylor doesn't pull that out without some home-cooking. Those PI calls never would have happened at TCU, or even on a neutral field.



Sterling Shepard played against TCU. It's kind of like playing OU after Broyles went down. Totally different ball game.



Exactly. We'll wait and see how it plays out before freaking out, though. These kinds of things tend to sort themselves out. Everybody freaked out about the BCS, but it usually got things right in the end.

My biggest concern about this system right now is that the defending champs can be the only undefeated team team in the country, yet are still only 3rd. It appears that this new playoff poll is the worst one we have.

Lots of thing can and will happen between now and the selection show. There really isn't any point in anyone getting too worked up over any of it, it's just too soon.

I also wholehearted agree with you about this poll...although I think, at the end of the day, the committee bases everything off of the other polls. The jury is still out, but I'm starting to wonder in the BCS wasn't the way to do it...at least to rank the teams.

[SicEmBaylor]

If Baylor had won convincingly, you'd have an argument. Also, if all things were equal, and that were the only variable at play, you'd have an argument. Neither of those things happened.
Are you for real? Is this real life that I'm living in or some kind of bizarro-world? My argument is that...WE WON THE GAME! You're seriously going to give TCU the nod over us because they didn't LOSE to us by enough points? Are you going to penalize TCU for not beating Kansas by enough points? Or for not beaing OU by enough points? For Christ's sake....we won.

You're smart enough to know this is a stupid and indefensible position. The problem is that you "feel" like TCU is "probably" better than Baylor, so you're really working like hell to make the actual facts reflect that belief....except they don't.

All things being equal, the only thing that matters is head-to-head. /story

[Eielson]

Are you for real? Is this real life that I'm living in or some kind of bizarro-world? My argument is that...WE WON THE GAME! You're seriously going to give TCU the nod over us because they didn't LOSE to us by enough points? Are you going to penalize TCU for not beating Kansas by enough points? Or for not beaing OU by enough points? For Christ's sake....we won.

You're smart enough to know this is a stupid and indefensible position. The problem is that you "feel" like TCU is "probably" better than Baylor, so you're really working like hell to make the actual facts reflect that belief....except they don't.

All things being equal, the only thing that matters is head-to-head. /story

These arguments are meaningless until all the data is there. Some team is going to do something really weird before this season is over.

But like I said earlier, it wasn't on a neutral field, so it doesn't all come down to head-to-head. Based on how that game turned out, TCU would have won that on a neutral field, as those PI inconsistencies don't tend to happen so closely together when an officiating crew isn't being influenced by a home crowd. Winning certainly counts for something, but it's close enough that we're going to have to wait until all the games have been played to decide on this.

[SicEmBaylor]

These arguments are meaningless until all the data is there. Some team is going to do something really weird before this season is over.

But like I said earlier, it wasn't on a neutral field, so it doesn't all come down to head-to-head. Based on how that game turned out, TCU would have won that on a neutral field, as those PI inconsistencies don't tend to happen so closely together when an officiating crew isn't being influenced by a home crowd. Winning certainly counts for something, but it's close enough that we're going to have to wait until all the games have been played to decide on this.


What the ****? The game wasn't played on a neutral field; therefore, the win doesn't count? Who the **** decided on that rule? I'm not thinking with my 'Baylor brain' -- I'm thinking with my 'I'm not an illogical idiot' brain.

Your using pure conjecture on what may or may not have happened in a game that was never played in a location that was never agreed upon to negate a real-world actual result on the playing field. This is beyond lunacy.

So what if it might have been played on a neutral field? Maybe we would have won in any case. Maybe TCU would have won. Maybe we get a late game INT for a pick 6 that wins the game. Maybe the TCU QB goes down with an injury early in the game and his backup comes in. Maybe a comet hits. Maybe Petty shook of his early-season jitters early and dominates the game. Maybe Briles outcoaches Patterson (again). Do you see the problem with this bull**** reasoning? It's asinine and stupid. It's nothing but pure conjecture on what MIGHT have happened and using that 'logic' to throw out the legitimacy of an actual win.

Christ-o-mighty -- you people aren't this dense.

[Sooner in Tampa]

Are you for real? Is this real life that I'm living in or some kind of bizarro-world? My argument is that...WE WON THE GAME! You're seriously going to give TCU the nod over us because they didn't LOSE to us by enough points? Are you going to penalize TCU for not beating Kansas by enough points? Or for not beaing OU by enough points? For Christ's sake....we won.

You're smart enough to know this is a stupid and indefensible position. The problem is that you "feel" like TCU is "probably" better than Baylor, so you're really working like hell to make the actual facts reflect that belief....except they don't.

All things being equal, the only thing that matters is head-to-head. /story

SicEm...you need to listen to the people who make these decisions...they have CLEARLY layed out why they choose TCU over Baylor. The simplest answer is that Baylor's Non Conference schedule is KILLING them...not even remotely impressive!!! Head to head only comes into to play if all things are equal...and in the case of TCU and Baylor, all things are not equal.

Deal with and adjust your Non Conference Schedule...pure and simple. The committee has made it clear that teams get penalized for fluff and stuff scheduling...AND teams get penalized for poor performances against week teams...ala TCU dropping in the rankings because they struggled against a sorry azz KU.

[BoulderSooner79]

I still predict that BU will pass TCU if they both win out because of the KSU game.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

What the ****? The game wasn't played on a neutral field; therefore, the win doesn't count? Who the **** decided on that rule? I'm not thinking with my 'Baylor brain' -- I'm thinking with my 'I'm not an illogical idiot' brain.

Your using pure conjecture on what may or may not have happened in a game that was never played in a location that was never agreed upon to negate a real-world actual result on the playing field. This is beyond lunacy.

So what if it might have been played on a neutral field? Maybe we would have won in any case. Maybe TCU would have won. Maybe we get a late game INT for a pick 6 that wins the game. Maybe the TCU QB goes down with an injury early in the game and his backup comes in. Maybe a comet hits. Maybe Petty shook of his early-season jitters early and dominates the game. Maybe Briles outcoaches Patterson (again). Do you see the problem with this bull**** reasoning? It's asinine and stupid. It's nothing but pure conjecture on what MIGHT have happened and using that 'logic' to throw out the legitimacy of an actual win.

Christ-o-mighty -- you people aren't this dense.

You guys beat them by a field goal at home. What's home field advantage worth? You're basically even with them. So TCU should get the nod because of your sh!tty non-con schedule. If you can't nut up and play a half assed decent team in one out of three games then you deserve to get left out. Even old man Snyder has nutted up in recent years. Baylor's scheduling is an embarrassment.

[bmjlr]

You guys beat them by a field goal at home. What's home field advantage worth? You're basically even with them. So TCU should get the nod because of your sh!tty non-con schedule. If you can't nut up and play a half assed decent team in one out of three games then you deserve to get left out. Even old man Snyder has nutted up in recent years. Baylor's scheduling is an embarrassment.

^^^THIS^^^

[BoulderSooner79]

I'd like to thank Sic'Em for the pre-butthurt. "Pre" because they haven't played KSU as yet, so BU fans have a couple weeks to whine about something that may not matter. This was the drama I was looking for when I started this thread - just wish OUr fans could be more invested due to better circumstances (like being undefeated, sigh). Carry on.

[badger]

I promise to do a meltdown post after final playoff rankings of some sort, because even if it isn't a Big 12 team, someone who thinks they're worthy will be left out of the four-team party and declare a boycott of Dr. Pepper and their annoying commercials.

Say... isn't Baylor the mecca of Dr. Pepper? Why isn't the primary sponsor of this CFP fest in the top four for this reason alone? Dear or dear, I guess Ann Richards is dead, because as SicEm repeatedly reminds us, she is the only reason Baylor is in the Big 12 and had any political clout ever. :D:D:D:D

[8timechamps]

Are you for real? Is this real life that I'm living in or some kind of bizarro-world? My argument is that...WE WON THE GAME! You're seriously going to give TCU the nod over us because they didn't LOSE to us by enough points? Are you going to penalize TCU for not beating Kansas by enough points? Or for not beaing OU by enough points? For Christ's sake....we won.

You're smart enough to know this is a stupid and indefensible position. The problem is that you "feel" like TCU is "probably" better than Baylor, so you're really working like hell to make the actual facts reflect that belief....except they don't.

All things being equal, the only thing that matters is head-to-head. /story

You're trying to find logic in the situation, and it's not there. The win (over TCU) does count for something, but so does the point differential. Sic, you're blinded by your green and gold glasses. If Baylor would have taken care of business in Morgantown, there wouldn't be an argument. The committee will take into account the win over TCU, but I'm telling you they will also take into account the score, and the fact that it was on the road. When looking at both teams, they're going to look at more than just that one game...they're going to look at overall strength of schedule too.

You can argue with me all you want, but it's not going to change the outcome. The one benefit Baylor has is that their schedule gives them more of an opportunity to impress the committee (than TCU). But, if you're asking me, I think TCU deserves to be in over Baylor. Yes, I "think", because you know, I'm not on the actual committee.

[SoonerForLife92]

The committee has made it clear that teams get penalized for fluff and stuff scheduling...AND teams get penalized for poor performances against week teams...ala TCU dropping in the rankings because they struggled against a sorry azz KU.

Unless it's Mississippi State or any other sec team of course...ala msu not moving at all for their abysmal performance against a 1-5 in conference arkansas

[Eielson]

I'm not thinking with my 'Baylor brain' -- I'm thinking with my 'I'm not an illogical idiot' brain.

I disagree...and it appears that every other non-biased person here does as well.


Your using pure conjecture on what may or may not have happened in a game that was never played in a location that was never agreed upon to negate a real-world actual result on the playing field. This is beyond lunacy.

So what if it might have been played on a neutral field? Maybe we would have won in any case. Maybe TCU would have won. Maybe we get a late game INT for a pick 6 that wins the game. Maybe the TCU QB goes down with an injury early in the game and his backup comes in. Maybe a comet hits. Maybe Petty shook of his early-season jitters early and dominates the game. Maybe Briles outcoaches Patterson (again). Do you see the problem with this bull**** reasoning? It's asinine and stupid. It's nothing but pure conjecture on what MIGHT have happened and using that 'logic' to throw out the legitimacy of an actual win.

So you're saying that the fact that TCU was playing in Waco decreased the chances of their QB getting hurt, a comet striking, Baylor's QB playing well, Baylor's gameplan being successful, and throwing pick-6's?

That's funny. I would have thought the reverse would have been true on all of the those (even the comet...due to it being Waco and all).

Statistically, college football teams play better at home than they do on the road. It's reality. Not lunacy.


Christ-o-mighty -- you people aren't this dense.

Do you think that calling everybody idiots over and over strengthens your argument?

[badger]

decreased the chances of their QB getting hurt

Speaking of hurt QB, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what ended Baylor's playoff chances. That or SMU, Northwestern State and Buffalo. Geez, it's like I'm taking attendance for Worst Teams in College Football 101.

[ouwasp]

I started reading this thread with good intentions. But I don't care enough.

What I would like to see:
FSU to lose
Baylor penalized for a girly schedule
Ohio St left out
Bama to win the NC
Mariotta's eligibility to run out

[birddog]

Sicem, FSU is getting dinged pretty hard because of their sched, and they haven't even lost. If wvu had only lost 2 games so far, bu would be in at this point. The committee, right or wrong, has considered the 21 point hole you guys dug out of against tcu to escape with a win and I think it's generally considered that tcu is more balanced, especially defensively. Over the years there have been many arguments made for other teams, so feel content there are 4 spots now and you guys have a great chance to get in, and beating ksu will tip the scales in your favor when it's all said and done.