"You didn't build it"

[BigTip]

One of my liberal friends posted this somewhere. They were mocking this conservative businessman of course.


http://media.merchantcircle.com/7307249/4GD4T_full.jpeg

I remember we had a spirited discussion about this when Obama first foolishly said it. Infuriating to me as a business owner of course.
None of those listed (GOV) things would exist without the economic activity created by all the small businessmen, like the guy pictured, that pays for all of it.

This made me realize how cut and dry the liberal vs conservative argument is.
The liberal thinks that business cannot exist without government.
The conservative knows that government cannot exist without business.

There is lots of history to support my simple statement.

[BigTip]

It's a chicken vs egg argument, but it is very obvious that business has always come first, then government is created to meet demand.

[Sooner8th]

One of my liberal friends posted this somewhere. They were mocking this conservative businessman of course.


http://media.merchantcircle.com/7307249/4GD4T_full.jpeg

I remember we had a spirited discussion about this when Obama first foolishly said it. Infuriating to me as a business owner of course.
None of those listed (GOV) things would exist without the economic activity created by all the small businessmen, like the guy pictured, that pays for all of it.

This made me realize how cut and dry the liberal vs conservative argument is.
The liberal thinks that business cannot exist without government.
The conservative knows that government cannot exist without business.

There is lots of history to support my simple statement.

You still don't understand Obama wasn't talking about the business, he was talking about the infrastructure that the business didn't build that brings customers to your business or you transport your goods to customers on.

[BigTip]

The obama folk say, "no no, that is taken out of context." No it's not. He meant it how it was said. "Business cannot exist without government. You need us."
Like I said, on a primitive level that is wrong. Government was invented to protect commerce. Commerce came first, and existed without government.

Of course it's all interconnected now. But that's like saying that lumber guy didn't build his business, it was his lumber supply company that enabled him to thrive. Or the company that built his building.

The original statement is just stupid. And insulting.

[Sooner8th]

The obama folk say, "no no, that is taken out of context." No it's not. He meant it how it was said. "Business cannot exist without government. You need us."
Like I said, on a primitive level that is wrong. Government was invented to protect commerce. Commerce came first, and existed without government.

Of course it's all interconnected now. But that's like saying that lumber guy didn't build his business, it was his lumber supply company that enabled him to thrive. Or the company that built his building.

The original statement is just stupid. And insulting.

How he said it was he was talking about the American system, roads ect. You are reading into it what the republican party wants you to read into it. Anything can be taken out of context. Tell me who built the roads and educated the people who work for you and are your customers? He gave the example of the internet that proves his point.

Show me where he said "Business cannot exist without government. You need us." like you claim.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Should be a sticky. The private sector IS the economy. SOCIALISM SUCKS!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

how's the fart sniffing going 8th? got any Riedel glasses for that yet?

[Sooner8th]

Should be a sticky. The private sector IS the economy. SOCIALISM SUCKS!

Don't tell that to jeep..............

[Sooner8th]

how's the fart sniffing going 8th? got any Riedel glasses for that yet?

Just can't help yourself can you? If you want to have a serious discussion, be serious.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Just can't help yourself can you? If you want to have a serious discussion, be serious.

This made me shoot a small piece of chicken breast out of my right nostrel...

[REDREX]

And what paid for all that Gov't----Tax dollars from business------Thank God we don't get all the Gov't we pay for

[BigTip]

Tell me who built the roads and educated the people who work for you and are your customers?
]

I did! Me me me. I paid the taxes that had that happen. I am the government. The government is there to serve me. Just like any service I pay for.

It is such a simple concept.

[rock on sooner]

This made me shoot a small piece of chicken breast out of my right nostrel...

Welp, TF, ya orta be eatin' wings...heh!

[Sooner8th]

I did! Me me me. I paid the taxes that had that happen. I am the government. The government is there to serve me. Just like any service I pay for.

It is such a simple concept.

So you paid all the taxes to build that huh?

[Soonerjeepman]

You still don't understand Obama wasn't talking about the business, he was talking about the infrastructure that the business didn't build that brings customers to your business or you transport your goods to customers on.

WHO paid for that infrastructure? TAXES...who pays for taxes? US....oh thanks for my cush gov salary!

[dwarthog]

8th insn't going to believe anything as the truth which isn't sourced from Government approved, (DNC) origins. You guys are pissing in the wind thinking he'll ever be anything but the useful "id 10 t" that Gruber and his ilk depend on to perform their chicanery on the rest of the American public.

[Sooner8th]

WHO paid for that infrastructure? TAXES...who pays for taxes? US....oh thanks for my cush gov salary!

So he DIDN'T build it alone. You are finally seeing what obama was saying. Of course taxes pay for it, you people are under the impression only conservatives pay taxes.

I didn't see you post much over the weekend but now when you should be working - getting paid by MY tax dollars - your posting on here.

Did you see what you fellow conservatives think of you?

Too much of a coward to answer the thread?

[FaninAma]

I think most taxpayers realize that the government can play a role in developing infrastructure but which level of government performs this function the best? I think the States are more efficient and better atuned to allocating resources for infrastructure need. We should abolish the Federal Department of Education, the Interior, Department of Energy, Department of Labor and even the Department of Transportation.

I also think a lot of the functions of government could be turned over to private business.

Most conservatives have a problem with the federal government trying to take power and resources away from the states in an attempt to make everything a one-size-fits-all scheme.

[dwarthog]

The problem I have is the Government as envisioned by the left is being used to equalize outcomes. Ensuring an equal playing field is a reasonable function. After that, it should get the hell out of the way and let folks chase their dreams and aspirations to the best of their abilities and their level of preparation to be successful in whatever they choose.

[Sooner8th]

The problem I have is the Government as envisioned by the left is being used to equalize outcomes. Ensuring an equal playing field is a reasonable function. After that, it should get the hell out of the way and let folks chase their dreams and aspirations to the best of their abilities and their level of preparation to be successful in whatever they choose.


That is rightwing bullsh!t sold to you and yours by people like george will who don't want anyone else to have the same advantages him and people like him have. No one has EVER said outcomes were to be the same. What we say is let folks chase their dreams and aspirations to the best of their abilities and their level of preparation to be successful in whatever they choose, not being held back because of race, gender or circumstances they were born into. That is all income redistribution bullsh!t

[badger]

Basically, nobody should take credit because nothing could happen without others. Government shouldn't take credit, business shouldn't take credit, just let both continue to help eachother be better than they'd ever be on their own.

And funny how this President Obama quote didn't cost Democrats the election in 2012, but this one in 2014 did:


"I am not on the ballot this fall. Michelle’s pretty happy about that. But make no mistake: these policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them."

OkYnghIrQrA

Perhaps it was just the last straw for some people and they weren't to breaking point in 2012 yet.

As for the biz sign... it's good marketing. President Obama is very unpopular right now and "kiss my a$$" is a good way to bring people in, right? Who cares who's right and who's not? A sign is a business promotion, not necessarily the truth :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The problem I have is the Government as envisioned by the left is being used to equalize outcomes. Ensuring an equal playing field is a reasonable function. After that, it should get the hell out of the way and let folks chase their dreams and aspirations to the best of their abilities and their level of preparation to be successful in whatever they choose.D'Oh!!!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Basically, nobody should take credit because nothing could happen without others. Government shouldn't take credit, business shouldn't take credit, just let both continue to help each other be better than they'd ever be on their own.


The Constitution and Amendments state what activities the government is authorized to perform. When they ignore the laws and do stuff that isn't authorized, they should stopped.

Only the government can and does legally take money from people. Also, they have no requirement to make ends meet, either. So, they are QUITE different from the private sector.

To believe that the government is responsible for economic success and the prosperity of ANY* business is folly.

*legit businesses, that are not in cahoots with the government, and aren't crony capitalists.

[Sooner8th]

Basically, nobody should take credit because nothing could happen without others. Government shouldn't take credit, business shouldn't take credit, just let both continue to help eachother be better than they'd ever be on their own.

And funny how this President Obama quote didn't cost Democrats the election in 2012, but this one in 2014 did:



OkYnghIrQrA

Perhaps it was just the last straw for some people and they weren't to breaking point in 2012 yet.

As for the biz sign... it's good marketing. President Obama is very unpopular right now and "kiss my a$$" is a good way to bring people in, right? Who cares who's right and who's not? A sign is a business promotion, not necessarily the truth :D

The 36% turnout of registered voters had nothing to do with it? Lowest since 1942. This is what happens when you run as a republican light, he well, we as democrats should have been governing like democrats when we won in '08. Not let harry reid **** things up for us. dubya and the marionette's masterminder rove worked everyday to deliver to their base and we **** on ours.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Just can't help yourself can you? If you want to have a serious discussion, be serious.

You? And serious discussion? Bwahahahahahaha...

[BigTip]

Business does not succeed because of government. In most cases it's business succeeding despite the government.

[badger]

The 36% turnout of registered voters had nothing to do with it?

The "enemy of enemy is my friend" and "whoever's not against you is for you" ... both those things come to mind when thinking of the voters who did not bother to turn out to vote. Like a pick-6 in football, a wide receiver sometimes has a responsibility to play defense even if that's not his primary position. No, you might not get a touchdown on this play, but for the love of OU, don't let the other team score one!


To believe that the government is responsible for economic success and the prosperity of ANY* business is folly.

I pull over when I see emergency lights approaching. I helped the fire truck/police car/ambulance get to the scene faster even if I wasn't driving. Sometimes, it's nice to credit those who allow good things to happen, rather than get in the way and screw things up for others :P


Business does not succeed because of government. In most cases it's business succeeding despite the government.
I'd like to think America has positioned itself as a good place for business compared to other governments over the years. Hell, didn't France try to tax its wealthy 75 percent?

[Soonerjeepman]

So he DIDN'T build it alone. You are finally seeing what obama was saying. Of course taxes pay for it, you people are under the impression only conservatives pay taxes.

I didn't see you post much over the weekend but now when you should be working - getting paid by MY tax dollars - your posting on here.

Did you see what you fellow conservatives think of you?

Too much of a coward to answer the thread?

lol...whatever, want to meet in kc? yes, getting paid by your tax dollars, my tax dollars, every working Ks resident....thanks again.

[Sooner8th]

lol...whatever, want to meet in kc? yes, getting paid by your tax dollars, my tax dollars, every working Ks resident....thanks again.

A simple thank you will be fine, so you are welcome.

Go answer the thread. Tell us all how you feel about your party thinking your life's work being worthless.

[Soonerjeepman]

A simple thank you will be fine, so you are welcome.

Go answer the thread. Tell us all how you feel about your party thinking your life's work being worthless.

what thread? actually I don't think my party thinks teaching is worthless...show me where that is written? anywhere...and not by a dem.

you're one funny dude. First you blast "gov jobs" vs private sector, then you jump on this thread saying people didn't build their business because you have to thank the gov for all they do...which is it?

as far as I'm concerned, I teach kids, what they do with their lives after that is on them....just like I don't take blame if a kid ends up in prison (I've had a few...one serving 40 yrs hard time) nor do I take credit if they become a successful business person. They take the risks, they get the rewards. I'm just a clog in the wheel...but without their motivation the wheel just sits there.

You want me to feel guilty about what...I don't know. I'm proud to teach, I do think I help some kids beyond the academics, as far as my job being a cush gov job. PLEASE come to my district and teach a few days....I've got several classes just waiting for you.

You keep blasting the pubs and how they "think teachers are worthless"...along with your continual dribble about my gov job vs you in the private sector....not once have you said anything positive about teachers...that's fine, I really could care less, but it's old. So what is your job? since you're so proud of it...

I'll give ya a day to respond and tell me your same crap, then you'll be on ignore.

[REDREX]

Wonder what world saving private enterprise job 8th does? doubt if he will say

[rock on sooner]

Welp, with some hesitation, I'll dip into this stuff about govt jobs versus private
sector. Naw, I won't....I've done most of it....I've taught school, I've sold insurance,
I've served my country and, mostly, 42+ years worth I've "served" the public. By that
I mean that I have listened to little old ladies who can't make a decision, I have listened
to rednecks bellow about lousy quality, I have solved countless small (big) issues to make
some overpaid, stuffy, "I'm more important than you are" knucklehead, happy (and then
get grief because I cut into margin), I have babied prima donnas who worked for me (that I
didn't hire, but, heh, did fire) I have trained raw talent to be good at what was necessary
and have taken heat for getting the job done in spite of policy. In other words, I BUILT
that POS, I tore it down, I REBUILT it, beat the hell out of it and then went ahead and repeated
the process.

To get ready for all that, I hauled hay (THREE CENTS A BALE), stocked grocery shelves, tailed
dripping wet rods on shallow oil wells, laid pipeline in 100 degree OK summers and a few other
adventures that I won't bore you with. The point of all this is, geez, get over yourselves! For the
most part, very few of you know (or at least appear to know) just what the hell it takes! Many
just spend time denigrating the other guy with one up crap. IMHO, this is the main issue with
the group that tries to function in Washington and so many on here try to identify with one side
or the other and it doesn't solve one dayum thing, except expose some REALLY funny stuff.

What my years have granted me is this...knowing what is BS, what it smells like and how to not
step in it, in spite of an extraordinary amount of partisan shoveling.

That is all. You may carry on! BOOMER!!

[REDREX]

I only got 2 cents a bale----But it was not as bad as hot tar roofing

[rock on sooner]

I only got 2 cents a bale----But it was not as bad as hot tar roofing

Welp, hot tar roofing is one thing I never did, thank you very much!

[REDREX]

Welp, hot tar roofing is one thing I never did, thank you very much!---Back then it was hard to find a summer job----took what I could get

[Sooner8th]

what thread? actually I don't think my party thinks teaching is worthless...show me where that is written? anywhere...and not by a dem.

you're one funny dude. First you blast "gov jobs" vs private sector, then you jump on this thread saying people didn't build their business because you have to thank the gov for all they do...which is it?

as far as I'm concerned, I teach kids, what they do with their lives after that is on them....just like I don't take blame if a kid ends up in prison (I've had a few...one serving 40 yrs hard time) nor do I take credit if they become a successful business person. They take the risks, they get the rewards. I'm just a clog in the wheel...but without their motivation the wheel just sits there.

You want me to feel guilty about what...I don't know. I'm proud to teach, I do think I help some kids beyond the academics, as far as my job being a cush gov job. PLEASE come to my district and teach a few days....I've got several classes just waiting for you.

You keep blasting the pubs and how they "think teachers are worthless"...along with your continual dribble about my gov job vs you in the private sector....not once have you said anything positive about teachers...that's fine, I really could care less, but it's old. So what is your job? since you're so proud of it...

I'll give ya a day to respond and tell me your same crap, then you'll be on ignore.

This thread - HEY Soonerjeepman, here is what your party, republicans, thinks of you

It has your name in it, how could you possibly miss it?

You still are not catching on - you can try to pretend you don't understand or you are not bright enough too. One more time - it is not me who is blasting government jobs it is YOUR party, I am blasting YOU for having a government job while being a conservative and for being a member of a party that thinks you don't contribute anything to the economy. GO READ THE THREAD.

As for - then you jump on this thread saying people didn't build their business because you have to thank the gov for all they do...which is it? Show me where I said that. Just like with what obama said, you buy into the RNC talking points and run with it.

Let me ask you this - what the **** do you know about building a business? You haven't ever built one, I been a part of building one. Have you ever presented the financial statement to the board of directors? Have you ever developed the budget and presented it to the board of directors and had to explain how you came up with the figures then spend the next year answering if it was off by more than 2% - high or low - why it was off and what was going to be done to bring it back in line? Have you ever had to present to the leadership team for the largest employer in the state? I HAVE. Have you ever had to lay people off when demand went down? Hired when the company is growing? I HAVE. You haven't.

As for saying anything positive about teachers I don't have to, instead I vote to keep them - meaning teachers like YOU, not to cut school budgets like you do. Talk is cheap, voting is not. Keep voting against your own best self interests. I can pick up my cell phone and call two life long good friends who are teachers and give you a list of other teachers we, my wife and I, have formed friendships with from teaching our kids.

As for where I work, do you think I'm going to tell you where I work? When I have sent letters to the editor, I get hate mail and stupid free subscriptions to magazines some dumbass conservative thinks is funny and takes the time and energy to have sent to me. In other words - speaking from experience, I don't trust any conservative to be adult enough not to **** with my job. See, I don't have TENURE or a UNION to protect my job, I work in the private sector where I can be fired at any time for anything as Kansas is a work at will state. If you do not have to guts to go answer the thread tell me, do you belong to the union? Do you pay dues to the union?

In my career, all in the private sector, I have worked in mostly in finance from start ups to world wide industry leaders to not for profits. I have worked for well run companies and sorry run companies. I have had a job since I was 13 years old working construction with my dad in the summers, lied about my age to get my first "real" job at 15 - I met my wife there.

AND I AM A LIBERAL. And to be honest, I'd appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

WHY is Sooner8th still posting here...




or, anywhere?

[REDREX]

Sounds like someone that never achieved what he thought he should and has to pick someone to blame

[Sooner8th]

Sounds like someone that never achieved what he thought he should and has to pick someone to blame

You have got to put down the crack pipe and step away from it. Where the hell do you get that at?

If I were a conservative you people would be pleasuring yourselves to what I have accomplished, but since I'm a liberal you cannot fathom how successful I've been. Only a conservative can praise romney for getting rich and belittle al gore, hillary clinton and any other non conservative for getting rich.

[Turd_Ferguson]

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[dwarthog]

WHY is Sooner8th still posting here...



or, anywhere?


He got kicked out of E-Harmony???


Sounds like someone that never achieved what he thought he should and has to pick someone to blame

A participation award should make him feel better about that. Guess he didn't even get one of those.

[Sooner8th]

He got kicked out of E-Harmony???



A participation award should make him feel better about that. Guess he didn't even get one of those.

You people are a massive piece of work.

[Turd_Ferguson]

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[olevetonahill]

Turd He has 3 bowls every morning .

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090425052021/rpguni/images/0/07/Bowl-of-Stupid.jpg

[Sooner8th]

Turd He has 3 bowls every morning .

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090425052021/rpguni/images/0/07/Bowl-of-Stupid.jpg

Bold talk coming from a guy who isn't smart enough to figure out that penalty yards on offense can be gained and why scores that are called back by penalty don't count.

[olevetonahill]

Bold talk coming from a guy who isn't smart enough to figure out that penalty yards on offense can be gained and why scores that are called back by penalty don't count.

****ing Moran. You read what ya want into anything some one posts. Go ahead and delude yerself.

[Sooner8th]

****ing Moran. You read what ya want into anything some one posts. Go ahead and delude yerself.

Me the ****ing moron? You tried to beat me up for pointing out tech had 105 passing yards on their first drive. You showed your stupidity by not being able to understand that penalty yards on the offense are gained back. Then when it was pointed out to you, you tired to argue the point by wondering why scores didn't count when there were brought back by a penalty.

You are a total dumbass and you embarrassed yourself on the football board with your low IQ.

[olevetonahill]

Typical, Ya get yer asz handed to you in a thread so you start deflecting and bring other stuff in from asnother thread.
Go away Boy ya bother me!

[Sooner8th]

Typical, Ya get yer asz handed to you in a thread so you start deflecting and bring other stuff in from asnother thread.
Go away Boy ya bother me!

Typical of you, claiming I got my *** handed to me when I didn't, then when I show proof of your low IQ you claim I'm deflecting.

Ignorant dumbass.

[lexsooner]

Wait, you can't be serious. Which football thread?

[Turd_Ferguson]

How cute...lex nibbl'n on 8th's peener...

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

You have got to put down the crack pipe and step away from it. Where the hell do you get that at?

If I were a conservative you people would be pleasuring yourselves to what I have accomplished, but since I'm a liberal you cannot fathom how successful I've been. Only a conservative can praise romney for getting rich and belittle al gore, hillary clinton and any other non conservative for getting rich.



yet we still don't know what that is...hell, i could make up a whole lot of terms and **** to make myself sound importnat like you, but i don't have to, because i actually did ****.

Al Gore invented the internet ( what a joke), Talks about carbon offsets and global warming while flying around in his personal jet. Hillary talks about strong women, yet stands by her lying cheating husband to advance her own political career. But sure, lets talk about Romney turning around poorly performming companies and making money off of it.

The only thing you are successful at is ruining personal relationships and acting like a complete ******* on internet forums..

BTW you still have yet to answer this question--now asked by more than jsut myself) Why are you here?

[Sooner8th]

yet we still don't know what that is...hell, i could make up a whole lot of terms and **** to make myself sound importnat like you, but i don't have to, because i actually did ****.

Al Gore invented the internet ( what a joke), Talks about carbon offsets and global warming while flying around in his personal jet. Hillary talks about strong women, yet stands by her lying cheating husband to advance her own political career. But sure, lets talk about Romney turning around poorly performming companies and making money off of it.

The only thing you are successful at is ruining personal relationships and acting like a complete ******* on internet forums..

BTW you still have yet to answer this question--now asked by more than jsut myself) Why are you here?

You really are a lemming aren't you? Who the **** is making up terms, keep telling yourself that I have accomplished nothing in my life, I know better. BTW - I was only pointing out my PRIVATE SECTOR work experience. So al gore getting himself rich by investing in apple and building a network then selling it off at a HUGE gain is disregarded and you really think she is sticking by him for he own political career?

Let's talk about romney, you do know what his primary business strategy was don't you? Let me tell you, his company preyed on companies that were solid, profitable companies that were under the radar, but most importantly they had no debt. They would come in and buy up enough ownership to gain control of the board then vote huge stock dividends to pay themselves then go out and borrow the money to pay for them using the company assets as collateral. They would stop paying into retirement funds to pay themselves dividends. They would borrow then pay dividends to themselves until the company collapsed under the weight of the debt. Hence the term vampire capitalism. But you are such a lemming you won't look into how he really made his money.

I have answered that question more than once, pay attention.

[Sooner8th]

yet we still don't know what that is...hell, i could make up a whole lot of terms and **** to make myself sound importnat like you, but i don't have to, because i actually did ****.

Al Gore invented the internet ( what a joke), Talks about carbon offsets and global warming while flying around in his personal jet. Hillary talks about strong women, yet stands by her lying cheating husband to advance her own political career. But sure, lets talk about Romney turning around poorly performming companies and making money off of it.

The only thing you are successful at is ruining personal relationships and acting like a complete ******* on internet forums..

BTW you still have yet to answer this question--now asked by more than jsut myself) Why are you here?

Did you vote for mccain?

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I did vote for McCain, and although I do not like his politics, i disliked obama's even more.

And we get that you work in the private sector. You've made that clear. You never mentioned what you do. You could work in a bakery making pot pies for all we know. That's not the point. You talk a good game and about how successful you are, but to everyone on this board you are successful in the private sector...which means nothing.

And like I said before..you are very successful at being an ******* on a message board...which can be considered the private sector.

[olevetonahill]

I did vote for McCain, and although I do not like his politics, i disliked obama's even more.

And we get that you work in the private sector. You've made that clear. You never mentioned what you do. You could work in a bakery making pot pies for all we know. That's not the point. You talk a good game and about how successful you are, but to everyone on this board you are successful in the private sector...which means nothing.

And like I said before..you are very successful at being an ******* on a message board...which can be considered the private sector.

I think he was formerly known as Will and had a carpet cleaning company :welcoming:

[Sooner8th]

I did vote for McCain, and although I do not like his politics, i disliked obama's even more.

And we get that you work in the private sector. You've made that clear. You never mentioned what you do. You could work in a bakery making pot pies for all we know. That's not the point. You talk a good game and about how successful you are, but to everyone on this board you are successful in the private sector...which means nothing.

And like I said before..you are very successful at being an ******* on a message board...which can be considered the private sector.

So when the lying cheating husband its OK huh? Try to be consistent with your moral outrage and values values.

Typical lemming. I am a project manager for a tech company. Not everyone is - jeep has himself a guberment jab.

Your quote "you are successful in the private sector...which means nothing" kills me. Are you ****ing kidding me? You and your party has spent the last 6 and half years hammering obama on you never worked in the private sector, blah blah blah. Your last presidential candidate whole entire campaign was - I was successful in the private sector so I know how to create jobs!

You are a typical conservative republican hypocrite, can't even keep your most fundamental moral and economic ideology consistant from party to party. If it is a republican it's not a problem and if it's a democrat - it is the most terrible, outrage invoking act of all time.

[Sooner8th]

I think he was formerly known as Will and had a carpet cleaning company :welcoming:

Hey mr i dont know why scores that are called back by penalty aren't counted, big talk for a ****ing retard.

[REDREX]

Lying cheating husbands----Do you mean JFK and LBJ?

[Sooner8th]

Lying cheating husbands----Do you mean JFK and LBJ?

No, I was talking about Ike, mccain, gingrich, Giuliani, sanford, vittner, craig and lying cheating whore wife fallin.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

And like I said before..you are very successful at being an ******* on a message board...which can be considered the private sector....and, what's wrong with that? The pay is...GREAT!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Lying cheating husbands----Do you mean JFK and LBJ?no more infamous than the one and only Der Schlickmeister, and his parasite lesbish wife. The guy who showed the democrats that they can get away with ...ANYTHING!

[REDREX]

No, I was talking about Ike, mccain, gingrich, Giuliani, sanford, vittner, craig and lying cheating whore wife fallin.----You need Professional help with your anger

[olevetonahill]

Hey mr i dont know why scores that are called back by penalty aren't counted, big talk for a ****ing retard.

Twist spin and deflect. I almost feel sorry for you.

[Sooner8th]

----You need Professional help with your anger

How is showing conservatives hypocrisy on their fundamental principals angry?

OH - I get it now, it pisses you off.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I did vote for McCain, and although I do not like his politics, i disliked obama's even more.

And we get that you work in the private sector. You've made that clear. You never mentioned what you do. You could work in a bakery making pot pies for all we know. That's not the point. You talk a good game and about how successful you are, but to everyone on this board you are successful in the private sector...which means nothing.

And like I said before..you are very successful at being an ******* on a message board...which can be considered the private sector.

So when the lying cheating husband its OK huh? Try to be consistent with your moral outrage and values values.

Typical lemming. I am a project manager for a tech company. Not everyone is - jeep has himself a guberment jab.

Your quote "you are successful in the private sector...which means nothing" kills me. Are you ****ing kidding me? You and your party has spent the last 6 and half years hammering obama on you never worked in the private sector, blah blah blah. Your last presidential candidate whole entire campaign was - I was successful in the private sector so I know how to create jobs!

You are a typical conservative republican hypocrite, can't even keep your most fundamental moral and economic ideology consistant from party to party. If it is a republican it's not a problem and if it's a democrat - it is the most terrible, outrage invoking act of all time.

Look *********, when I said "it means nothing" I mean when you say it, because you throw the term around to bolster your own self image. You kept saying " I work in the private sector" but wouldn't say what it actually was that you did. Learn to read and comprehend, rather than cherry pick parts of a post and reply.

A project manager huh? Wow you are incredible. That's another fancy term that doesn't mean ****. Keep trying to make yourself seem important and don't forget to RAM yer hard disk into you project teams' floppy drive.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Oh and by the way 8th... YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED RHE QUESTION:

WHY ARE YOU HERE?

[olevetonahill]

Look *********, when I said "it means nothing" I mean when you say it, because you throw the term around to bolster your own self image. You kept saying " I work in the private sector" but wouldn't say what it actually was that you did. Learn to read and comprehend, rather than cherry pick parts of a post and reply.

A project manager huh? Wow you are incredible. That's another fancy term that doesn't mean ****. Keep trying to make yourself seem important and don't forget to RAM yer hard disk into you project teams' floppy drive.

Heh, Hes a "Project manager fer a Tech company"? Does that mean he's in Charge of taking out the trash?

[Sooner8th]

Oh and by the way 8th... YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED RHE QUESTION:

WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I have answered this question at least twice on here, I am not going to answer it again.

Tell me - why are YOU on here?

[Sooner8th]

Look *********, when I said "it means nothing" I mean when you say it, because you throw the term around to bolster your own self image. You kept saying " I work in the private sector" but wouldn't say what it actually was that you did. Learn to read and comprehend, rather than cherry pick parts of a post and reply.

A project manager huh? Wow you are incredible. That's another fancy term that doesn't mean ****. Keep trying to make yourself seem important and don't forget to RAM yer hard disk into you project teams' floppy drive.


Heh, Hes a "Project manager fer a Tech company"? Does that mean he's in Charge of taking out the trash?

You two don't know **** about working in the private sector, that is the title they gave me so they could pay me more.

So tell me what you two's job title is - in charge of cashing your government checks?

[olevetonahill]

You two don't know **** about working in the private sector, that is the title they gave me so they could pay me more.


So tell me what you two's job title is - in charge of cashing your government checks?


Pretty much sums Mine up since Im retired ya nimrod, along with a few dividend checks a couple royalty checks

Work hard boy and you too can have a Job like mine :chuncky:

[Sooner8th]

Pretty much sums Mine up since Im retired ya nimrod, along with a few dividend checks a couple royalty checks

Work hard boy and you too can have a Job like mine :chuncky:

Yeah I knew that you were retired from the military hence the cashing government checks comment.

I already have a great job and I worked hard to get it.

[Sooner in Tampa]

Look *********, when I said "it means nothing" I mean when you say it, because you throw the term around to bolster your own self image. You kept saying " I work in the private sector" but wouldn't say what it actually was that you did. Learn to read and comprehend, rather than cherry pick parts of a post and reply.

A project manager huh? Wow you are incredible. That's another fancy term that doesn't mean ****. Keep trying to make yourself seem important and don't forget to RAM yer hard disk into you project teams' floppy drive.
So, numbnuts is running around telling everyone how great he is because he 'works' in the private sector? HAHAHA...like the private sector is some badge of honor? What a tool!!

Project manager? That means he is the pivot man in a circle jerk. Everyone else does the actual work and he uses his little Microsoft Project Server to track everything...he doesn't really DO anything, he just takes notes. OH, he makes fancy charts and graphs from time to time in order to project costs and such...but for the most part, he doesn't do **** to ensure projects are completed on time or on budget...he has to beg everyone else do that.

I love project managers...they think they are sooooo important. Kinda explains a lot!!

And finally, I cash my government check each month too...I worked hard for my military retirement and spent a ton of time on the road in some not so nice places. So FVCK 8th/KC and his condescending azz about cashing 'government' checks!!!

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I have answered this question at least twice on here, I am not going to answer it again.

Tell me - why are YOU on here?



I've asked you at least 5 times, and I know others have asked as well. yet i just went through all my posts and have yet to see an answer. i'll just take your lask of an answe as you not wanting to admit that you have an inferiority copmlex, and coming on this board stiring the pot makes you feel more in control of your life.

As for me, i've been on this board for 10 years. Its purely entertainment. I understand that people disagree, but i have never seen someone as obstanent as you. i like reading and contributing to hot topics, but you are the first one that I really don't like as a person. ( yes i know, you don't care). the fact of the matter is, We have seen people come and people go. some are cordial, some are not. but i will tell you this, if you were to leave, you would definately live on in imfamy like Herr Lid, and KC....

[Sooner8th]

So, numbnuts is running around telling everyone how great he is because he 'works' in the private sector? HAHAHA...like the private sector is some badge of honor? What a tool!!

Project manager? That means he is the pivot man in a circle jerk. Everyone else does the actual work and he uses his little Microsoft Project Server to track everything...he doesn't really DO anything, he just takes notes. OH, he makes fancy charts and graphs from time to time in order to project costs and such...but for the most part, he doesn't do **** to ensure projects are completed on time or on budget...he has to beg everyone else do that.

I love project managers...they think they are sooooo important. Kinda explains a lot!!

And finally, I cash my government check each month too...I worked hard for my military retirement and spent a ton of time on the road in some not so nice places. So FVCK 8th/KC and his condescending azz about cashing 'government' checks!!!

LOL TOO ****ING FUNNY. You have no idea of what I do. Did you see the part were I said they gave me the title so they could pay me more? My primary duty is to sell.

Who is KC? Your dumbass thinks you know who I am and I LAUGH at you guys everytime you call me KC.

You still are not getting it - So FVCK 8th/KC and his condescending azz about cashing 'government' checks!!! I laugh and mock you for belonging to a party that hate people who get gooberment checks. You need to tell your party to FVCK OFF. Really try to keep up.

[Sooner8th]

I've asked you at least 5 times, and I know others have asked as well. yet i just went through all my posts and have yet to see an answer. i'll just take your lask of an answe as you not wanting to admit that you have an inferiority copmlex, and coming on this board stiring the pot makes you feel more in control of your life.

As for me, i've been on this board for 10 years. Its purely entertainment. I understand that people disagree, but i have never seen someone as obstanent as you. i like reading and contributing to hot topics, but you are the first one that I really don't like as a person. ( yes i know, you don't care). the fact of the matter is, We have seen people come and people go. some are cordial, some are not. but i will tell you this, if you were to leave, you would definately live on in imfamy like Herr Lid, and KC....

I HAVE fvcking answered. You don't like to "contribute" you like conservative circle jerks so you can feel superior to the liberal you have been brainwashed into demonizing.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

So, numbnuts is running around telling everyone how great he is because he 'works' in the private sector? HAHAHA...like the private sector is some badge of honor? What a tool!!

Project manager? That means he is the pivot man in a circle jerk. Everyone else does the actual work and he uses his little Microsoft Project Server to track everything...he doesn't really DO anything, he just takes notes. OH, he makes fancy charts and graphs from time to time in order to project costs and such...but for the most part, he doesn't do **** to ensure projects are completed on time or on budget...he has to beg everyone else do that.

I love project managers...they think they are sooooo important. Kinda explains a lot!!

And finally, I cash my government check each month too...I worked hard for my military retirement and spent a ton of time on the road in some not so nice places. So FVCK 8th/KC and his condescending azz about cashing 'government' checks!!!



couldn't have said it better myself!

and i proudly cash my gov't paycheck. afterall, if it weren't for the sacrifices of the Marines that came before me, there wouldn't be a United States! ( 8th, just to catch you up on U.S. History, the Marines were established before this nation was officially a country.)

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

You two don't know **** about working in the private sector, that is the title they gave me so they could pay me more.

So tell me what you two's job title is - in charge of cashing your government checks?

Here ya go 8th. you asked what i do: Here are my Titles dip$hit

Cpt. USMC(res.) 0358
17 years
2 tours Afg.
1 Tour Iraq

Regional Manager of a U.S. Domestic Airline
12 years
worked my way up from part time baggage handler
Project Manager- FAR 117
PRoject Manager Strategic Sourcing- Airports


go **** yourself

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I HAVE fvcking answered.


No you haven't...you do nothing but spin and defelct, and tell people to go look in piles of threads somewhere. its all a ruse. just admit that you are here because you like to start **** with people that disagree with you.

[Sooner8th]

Here ya go 8th. you asked what i do: Here are my Titles dip$hit

Cpt. USMC(res.) 0358
17 years
2 tours Afg.
1 Tour Iraq

Regional Manager of a U.S. Domestic Airline
12 years
worked my way up from part time baggage handler
Project Manager- FAR 117
PRoject Manager Strategic Sourcing- Airports


go **** yourself

rut roh you were a PROJECT MANAGER? Just like me. HUH

[Sooner8th]

No you haven't...you do nothing but spin and defelct, and tell people to go look in piles of threads somewhere. its all a ruse. just admit that you are here because you like to start **** with people that disagree with you.

I most certainly have answered it and i am not going to answer it again. If you really care go look it up otherwise get off my back about it.

Spin and defelct - you are a lemming in here too. Try to have an original thought.

[Soonerjeepman]

Oh and by the way 8th... YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED RHE QUESTION:

WHY ARE YOU HERE?

ya know I was thinking the same thing. It's a MESSAGE BOARD...if folks keep calling me names and I argued on about EVERY topic I wouldn't post. lol

Most folks on here lean more my way and the ones that don't are pretty calm...so that is why I post here. If it was full of libs I wouldn't. His choice.....but I just imagine 8th spit screaming and his face really red when he types. Ah, good for him....

now let me get back to my goberment job~

[Sooner8th]

couldn't have said it better myself!

and i proudly cash my gov't paycheck. afterall, if it weren't for the sacrifices of the Marines that came before me, there wouldn't be a United States! ( 8th, just to catch you up on U.S. History, the Marines were established before this nation was officially a country.)

You see - I and my party are not the one bitching about government checks - mr 47% and YOUR party is.

You certainly earned your military pay, hell I think you guys are underpaid. We need to stop giving no bid contracts to halliburton and raise pay in the military.

[Sooner8th]

ya know I was thinking the same thing. It's a MESSAGE BOARD...if folks keep calling me names and I argued on about EVERY topic I wouldn't post. lol

Most folks on here lean more my way and the ones that don't are pretty calm...so that is why I post here. If it was full of libs I wouldn't. His choice.....but I just imagine 8th spit screaming and his face really red when he types. Ah, good for him....

now let me get back to my goberment job~

about time - why are you wasting my tax dollars being on here?

but I just imagine 8th spit screaming and his face really red when he types - tells me you don't know ****. I am too busy laughing my *** off at you peoples hypocrisy and lemmingness.

I just LOVE seeing how stupid and gullible conservatives are.

[Soonerjeepman]

You see - I and my party are not the one bitching about government checks - mr 47% and YOUR party is.

You certainly earned your military pay, hell I think you guys are underpaid. We need to stop giving no bid contracts to halliburton and raise pay in the military.

lol...for people that don't DO $HIT....the folks on welfare.

[Soonerjeepman]

about time - why are you wasting my tax dollars being on here?

lol...because I can~

[Sooner8th]

lol...for people that don't DO $HIT....the folks on welfare.

You just aren't smart enough to understand that 47% who does not pay taxes includes SOLDIERS IN A COMBAT ZONE!

Q-2: I am a member of the U.S. Armed Forces performing services in a combat zone. Is any part of my military pay for serving in this area excluded from gross income?

A-2: Yes, if you serve in a combat zone as an enlisted person or as a warrant officer (including commissioned warrant officers) for any part of a month, all your military pay received for military service that month is excluded from gross income. For commissioned officers, the monthly exclusion is capped at the highest enlisted pay, plus any hostile fire or imminent danger pay received.

MR 47% WAS TALKING ABOUT SOLDIERS IN A COMBAT ZONE!

[Sooner8th]

lol...because I can~

You should be fired - if I only knew your school district............

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

rut roh you were a PROJECT MANAGER? Just like me. HUH

exactly why i can say what i did about your title as a project manager. there's a reason i put it in bold. and all your **** talking about private sector jobs is null and void, because i too hold aprivate secot job. have been a project manager. no hypocricy here. But i also know that claiming yourself to be a project manager is jsut a fancy term for, overseeing people and filling out reports..

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

You see - I and my party are not the one bitching about government checks - mr 47% and YOUR party is.

You certainly earned your military pay, hell I think you guys are underpaid. We need to stop giving no bid contracts to halliburton and raise pay in the military.


thank you.

[Sooner8th]

exactly why i can say what i did about your title as a project manager. there's a reason i put it in bold. and all your **** talking about private sector jobs is null and void, because i too hold aprivate secot job. have been a project manager. no hypocricy here. But i also know that claiming yourself to be a project manager is jsut a fancy term for, overseeing people and filling out reports..

All of my **** talking about being the private sector is null and void huh?

That is not my job - it was a title given to me because it offered a higher pay range. My job is hard to explain without telling you where I work and that aint happenin'. My job spans asset management, optimizing asset utilization, optimizing facilities utilization, inventory and sales. Perfect job for someone with a very short attentions span. We don't do much reporting, lots of analysis though.

[Soonerjeepman]

You should be fired - if I only knew your school district............
lol, you're such a lemming...

[Soonerjeepman]

You just aren't smart enough to understand that 47% who does not pay taxes includes SOLDIERS IN A COMBAT ZONE!

Q-2: I am a member of the U.S. Armed Forces performing services in a combat zone. Is any part of my military pay for serving in this area excluded from gross income?

A-2: Yes, if you serve in a combat zone as an enlisted person or as a warrant officer (including commissioned warrant officers) for any part of a month, all your military pay received for military service that month is excluded from gross income. For commissioned officers, the monthly exclusion is capped at the highest enlisted pay, plus any hostile fire or imminent danger pay received.

MR 47% WAS TALKING ABOUT SOLDIERS IN A COMBAT ZONE!
I don't have a problem with soldiers in a combat zone exempt...it's the others.

I'm done with you, l know ya don't GAS, neither do I. Enjoy your life. Agree to disagree, I'll vote my way,,,you vote yours. I do pray obama isn't as bad as I and most folks on here think. I pray this country gets back to rights and wrongs. Who knows. I pray my kids have a great United States of America to live in...we shall see.

Good day.

[Sooner8th]

I don't have a problem with soldiers in a combat zone exempt...it's the others.

I'm done with you, l know ya don't GAS, neither do I. Enjoy your life. Agree to disagree, I'll vote my way,,,you vote yours. I do pray obama isn't as bad as I and most folks on here think. I pray this country gets back to rights and wrongs. Who knows. I pray my kids have a great United States of America to live in...we shall see.

Good day.

The problem is people like you don't have any objectivity. It has been proven again and again obama is doing exponentially better than bush did - a president you people supported to the bitter end. Look at every time some good news comes up about the economy or anything else obama has done, there is always some obscure thing brought up and blown out of proportion. 100% of them either started way before obama became president or previous presidents did the same damn thing. What you are really missing is the reason the right has been pushing how bad obama is and are willing to lie about it. Bush was bad, BUT OBAMA IS WORSE! Is the new republican rally cry.

You never did answer my thread on what your home state republicans think of government employees. I'm calling you out yet again.

[Soonerjeepman]

The problem is people like you don't have any objectivity. It has been proven again and again obama is doing exponentially better than bush did - a president you people supported to the bitter end. Look at every time some good news comes up about the economy or anything else obama has done, there is always some obscure thing brought up and blown out of proportion. 100% of them either started way before obama became president or previous presidents did the same damn thing. What you are really missing is the reason the right has been pushing how bad obama is and are willing to lie about it. Bush was bad, BUT OBAMA IS WORSE! Is the new republican rally cry.

You never did answer my thread on what your home state republicans think of government employees. I'm calling you out yet again.
lol...oooohh...calling me out. Obviously I'm okay with it. I don't agree 100% but more than I do with the dems. Good enough? I'm sure you'll come back with some name calling.
Have a good day

[SCOUT]

lol...oooohh...calling me out. Obviously I'm okay with it. I don't agree 100% but more than I do with the dems. Good enough? I'm sure you'll come back with some name calling.
Have a good day

Don't feed the troll.

[Sooner in Tampa]

I don't have a problem with soldiers in a combat zone exempt...it's the others.

I'm done with you, l know ya don't GAS, neither do I. Enjoy your life. Agree to disagree, I'll vote my way,,,you vote yours. I do pray obama isn't as bad as I and most folks on here think. I pray this country gets back to rights and wrongs. Who knows. I pray my kids have a great United States of America to live in...we shall see.

Good day.

Did that stupid fvck just try to say that Romney was talking about servicemen in a Combat Zone when he referred to the 47%??? His he THAT fvcking stupid?? That is rich, moronic, and a total liberal lemming trying to make sh!t up.

Everyone with half a brain knows that Romney was referring to the lifetime welfare recipients that are slowly milking this country dry.

[yermom]

that might have been who he wanted you to think he was talking about, but the 47% number refers to people that don't pay taxes, and that is one group that is included, just like lots of retired people.

it was a stupid comment, and he should have been blasted for it.

[Sooner8th]

Did that stupid fvck just try to say that Romney was talking about servicemen in a Combat Zone when he referred to the 47%??? His he THAT fvcking stupid?? That is rich, moronic, and a total liberal lemming trying to make sh!t up.

Everyone with half a brain knows that Romney was referring to the lifetime welfare recipients that are slowly milking this country dry.

unmother****ingbeliveable, sweet baby jesus, he said what he meant. He was too busy showing his contempt for anyone that is not like him, a privileged, rich ******-bag. Funny how you rush to his defense when he said what he meant, he just got busted saying it to his other privileged, rich ******-bags. You and yours go to great pains to try to pin "you didn't build it" on obama when it is clear he meant the infrastructure.

[BigTip]

that might have been who he wanted you to think he was talking about, but the 47% number refers to people that don't pay taxes, and that is one group that is included, just like lots of retired people.

it was a stupid comment, and he should have been blasted for it.

I disagree. He made the statement to show that we were close to having more takers than givers. This is unsustainable and something has to change. Hopefully the next election will change things. I doubt it though.

[Sooner8th]

Boy, you people on this board have no integrity what so ever. This thread and a couple of others that are going on right now clearly show that. You all have a double standard of behavior, you cannot stick to your base "principals" that is supposedly so important to do - claiming that is what makes you different from democrats. In these threads having a private sector job is null and void while not a word is spoken about a government employee taking a ton of time at work to post on here. I was mocked and made fun of because of my job title, but when a conservative has the same damn title - silence. romneys vampire capitalism is applauded while al gore getting rich by investing and building something is mocked and somehow he is a hypocrite for getting himself rich. In one sentence you say illegals are low wage earners and aren't paying any taxes when it's pointed out that your party is complaining that poor people aren't paying any taxes, suddenly those illegals have good jobs making good money. Which is it? You make up slurs about liberals and dems, then whine about me calling you lemmings. You even still whine about bill clinton getting a blow job - lying cheating husband, but silence when i point out so was mccain. Look at the article i posted in the thread calling jeep out - the speaker of the house in the state of kansas laying blame on the states fiscal condition on the previous democratic governor, actually two governors previous, that was 6 years ago - never mind republicans had HUGE OVERWHELMING MAJORITIES in both chambers - but you cant BLAME BUSH. I laugh at how you are jumping through hoops to claim what reagan did and obama MIGHT do on immigration is totally and complety different and obama is a king with edicts, while reagan was not.

You ask me questions, demanding, pleading with me to answer them, when I do it is ignored and others on the board have to straighten you out with the truth.

You keep asking me why I'm on here - I have said it before - but I'll say it again. It is to keep people like you from believing and spreading lies and living in your own alternate universe that is spoon fed to you by the rightwingnut media.

I would ask why are you on here - but I know. To feel better about yourselves and reinforce your own beliefs, you don't want the truth or any discussion. You just want to circle jerk about how terrible the commie liberal democrats are, all while ignoring the guy you voted for twice did more damage to the country that anything a Democratic president has or ever will do.

[yermom]

I disagree. He made the statement to show that we were close to having more takers than givers. This is unsustainable and something has to change. Hopefully the next election will change things. I doubt it though.

so grandma, combat vets and retired vets should stop being takers?

[BigTip]

so grandma, combat vets and retired vets should stop being takers?

That is not the point. It does not matter who the benefits are going to if the input to the system is less than the output. It doesn't matter how bonafide the reason for the government check is. Unsustainable. It's not just a word.

[BigTip]

It's called killing the golden goose.

A micro example: A small business works hard to survive. Taxes keep increasing. Finally, the business has to close because they no longer make enough profit to pay those taxes. The business owner now needs public assistance to survive. A giver has been turned into a taker. Eventually there are not enough givers to provide for the takers. It is so simple.

And it doesn't matter how much someone jumps up and down screaming, "But they DESERVE the assistance!" It is simple, undeniable, mathematically able to be proven, economics.

[Sooner in Tampa]

that might have been who he wanted you to think he was talking about, but the 47% number refers to people that don't pay taxes, and that is one group that is included, just like lots of retired people.

it was a stupid comment, and he should have been blasted for it.

First off, I agree, it was a stupid comment.

But, the truth about a statement like that is that the meaning behind it depends on who you are delivering said statement to...and if anyone thinks for a minute that he was referring to "grandma, combat & retired vets" they are just kidding themselves and trying to make the statement even worse. Romney or any other Pub ain't worrying about the vets or grandma because most of them are voting for a Pub anyway...so you can think what you would like about the intended target of said comment

Your perception is your reality...

[yermom]

the fact is, he used the 47% number because it sounds large to try and garner support for austerity. the fact is he was talking about a lot of voters...

he's an out of touch rich guy that didn't know how to connect with the voters he actually needed to sway. hopefully the next guy is just as inept ;)

[Soonerjeepman]

Boy, you people on this board have no integrity what so ever. This thread and a couple of others that are going on right now clearly show that. You all have a double standard of behavior, you cannot stick to your base "principals" that is supposedly so important to do - claiming that is what makes you different from democrats. In these threads having a private sector job is null and void while not a word is spoken about a government employee taking a ton of time at work to post on here. I was mocked and made fun of because of my job title, but when a conservative has the same damn title - silence. romneys vampire capitalism is applauded while al gore getting rich by investing and building something is mocked and somehow he is a hypocrite for getting himself rich. In one sentence you say illegals are low wage earners and aren't paying any taxes when it's pointed out that your party is complaining that poor people aren't paying any taxes, suddenly those illegals have good jobs making good money. Which is it? You make up slurs about liberals and dems, then whine about me calling you lemmings. You even still whine about bill clinton getting a blow job - lying cheating husband, but silence when i point out so was mccain. Look at the article i posted in the thread calling jeep out - the speaker of the house in the state of kansas laying blame on the states fiscal condition on the previous democratic governor, actually two governors previous, that was 6 years ago - never mind republicans had HUGE OVERWHELMING MAJORITIES in both chambers - but you cant BLAME BUSH. I laugh at how you are jumping through hoops to claim what reagan did and obama MIGHT do on immigration is totally and complety different and obama is a king with edicts, while reagan was not.

You ask me questions, demanding, pleading with me to answer them, when I do it is ignored and others on the board have to straighten you out with the truth.

You keep asking me why I'm on here - I have said it before - but I'll say it again. It is to keep people like you from believing and spreading lies and living in your own alternate universe that is spoon fed to you by the rightwingnut media.

I would ask why are you on here - but I know. To feel better about yourselves and reinforce your own beliefs, you don't want the truth or any discussion. You just want to circle jerk about how terrible the commie liberal democrats are, all while ignoring the guy you voted for twice did more damage to the country that anything a Democratic president has or ever will do.

Since your keeping track...I'm on my 25 minute lunch. Second part...I never said I was 100% behind brownback, but he's better in my opinion that the other choice....same with Roberts. I've said that several times.

So you are now a message board policeman...lol, nice.

[Sooner8th]

Since your keeping track...I'm on my 25 minute lunch. Second part...I never said I was 100% behind brownback, but he's better in my opinion that the other choice....same with Roberts. I've said that several times.

So you are now a message board policeman...lol, nice.

What i know is if you were a liberal teacher these guys would be on you about posting while you are suppose to be working.

[dwarthog]

the fact is, he used the 47% number because it sounds large to try and garner support for austerity. the fact is he was talking about a lot of voters...

he's an out of touch rich guy that didn't know how to connect with the voters he actually needed to sway. hopefully the next guy is just as inept ;)

Would this be analogous to using a number like 48 million to garner support for a healthcare bill? Where after a year there is what, less than 1/5 of those uninsured people actually using this great healthcare? Not counting the ones who were booted off their plan they were happy with after being lied to repeatedly that they could keep their health insurance.

Sad problem here is both parties play fast and loose with the truth. Even sadder is one party is more adept at lying or in this example, has managed to consistently dupe a lot of "high information" voters.

[Sooner8th]

the fact is, he used the 47% number because it sounds large to try and garner support for austerity. the fact is he was talking about a lot of voters...

he's an out of touch rich guy that didn't know how to connect with the voters he actually needed to sway. hopefully the next guy is just as inept ;)

Yermom, you know he heard that figure and like all other conservatives he ran with it, without looking into it. He said what he meant, if you are getting a government check and not paying taxes you are a freeloading taker, including social security. In the eyes or republicans, social security is welfare, that's why they have been wanting to kill it all these years.

[Sooner8th]

First off, I agree, it was a stupid comment.

But, the truth about a statement like that is that the meaning behind it depends on who you are delivering said statement to...and if anyone thinks for a minute that he was referring to "grandma, combat & retired vets" they are just kidding themselves and trying to make the statement even worse. Romney or any other Pub ain't worrying about the vets or grandma because most of them are voting for a Pub anyway...so you can think what you would like about the intended target of said comment

Your perception is your reality...

Suddenly you have the ability to parse and read meaning into sentences that politicians say, trying to add context to what romney said. Funny how it works the other way, taking out of context when a democrat says speaks.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Boy, you people on this board have no integrity what so ever. This thread and a couple of others that are going on right now clearly show that. You all have a double standard of behavior, you cannot stick to your base "principals" that is supposedly so important to do - claiming that is what makes you different from democrats. In these threads having a private sector job is null and void while not a word is spoken about a government employee taking a ton of time at work to post on here. I was mocked and made fun of because of my job title, but when a conservative has the same damn title - silence. romneys vampire capitalism is applauded while al gore getting rich by investing and building something is mocked and somehow he is a hypocrite for getting himself rich. In one sentence you say illegals are low wage earners and aren't paying any taxes when it's pointed out that your party is complaining that poor people aren't paying any taxes, suddenly those illegals have good jobs making good money. Which is it? You make up slurs about liberals and dems, then whine about me calling you lemmings. You even still whine about bill clinton getting a blow job - lying cheating husband, but silence when i point out so was mccain. Look at the article i posted in the thread calling jeep out - the speaker of the house in the state of kansas laying blame on the states fiscal condition on the previous democratic governor, actually two governors previous, that was 6 years ago - never mind republicans had HUGE OVERWHELMING MAJORITIES in both chambers - but you cant BLAME BUSH. I laugh at how you are jumping through hoops to claim what reagan did and obama MIGHT do on immigration is totally and complety different and obama is a king with edicts, while reagan was not.

You ask me questions, demanding, pleading with me to answer them, when I do it is ignored and others on the board have to straighten you out with the truth.

You keep asking me why I'm on here - I have said it before - but I'll say it again. It is to keep people like you from believing and spreading lies and living in your own alternate universe that is spoon fed to you by the rightwingnut media.

I would ask why are you on here - but I know. To feel better about yourselves and reinforce your own beliefs, you don't want the truth or any discussion. You just want to circle jerk about how terrible the commie liberal democrats are, all while ignoring the guy you voted for twice did more damage to the country that anything a Democratic president has or ever will do.

geez, you need to open a magnum of that fine aromatic vintage and sniff away....

[TAFBSooner]

Yermom, you know he heard that figure and like all other conservatives he ran with it, without looking into it. He said what he meant, if you are getting a government check and not paying taxes you are a freeloading taker, including social security. In the eyes or republicans, social security is welfare, that's why they have been wanting to kill it all these years.

Social Security is a government program that works. Government-programs-that-work put the lie to the "conservative" mantra that government is the problem. THAT is the main reason "conservatives" want to get rid of Social Security (or "RooseveltCare").

Close behind that is the fact that privatizing Social Security would be a great profit opportunity for Wall Street.

[REDREX]

Social Security is a government program that works. Government-programs-that-work put the lie to the "conservative" mantra that government is the problem. THAT is the main reason "conservatives" want to get rid of Social Security (or "RooseveltCare").

Close behind that is the fact that privatizing Social Security would be a great profit opportunity for Wall Street.----Have you ever done the calculation on your contribution and your employers contribution to SS and looked at what you get back?---Not to mention the loss of buying power----Why would you want the Gov't to hold your money for 40 years----And guess what they have already spent it you are holding an IOU

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It's called killing the golden goose.

A micro example: A small business works hard to survive. Taxes keep increasing. Finally, the business has to close because they no longer make enough profit to pay those taxes. The business owner now needs public assistance to survive. A giver has been turned into a taker. Eventually there are not enough givers to provide for the takers. It is so simple.

And it doesn't matter how much someone jumps up and down screaming, "But they DESERVE the assistance!" It is simple, undeniable, mathematically able to be proven, economics.It's not that simple. Besides the colossus that is the ability to tax(take) money from residents and citizens, you left out some unique features of the federal government:

The govt. can print money. Nobody else can in America.
The govt. can incur debt and not be punished for not paying it off.

[TAFBSooner]

----Have you ever done the calculation on your contribution and your employers contribution to SS and looked at what you get back?---Not to mention the loss of buying power

I said a "government program that works," not a "great investment." The purpose isn't to be a great investment. It's to ensure that everyone who works during their lifetime, or a spouse that supports a wage-earner, has at least some income in retirement. That should be IAW the conservative worldview, as it encourages productive work.

To answer your question, no. But I realize it's not a great investment per se.

[TAFBSooner]

The govt. can incur debt and not be punished for not paying it off.

And doesn't that pizz you off?!

Where oh where is that inflation that's supposed to smite us, as has been predicted by conservative economists since the last few months of Bush the Lesser's term?

[REDREX]

I said a "government program that works," not a "great investment." The purpose isn't to be a great investment. It's to ensure that everyone who works during their lifetime, or a spouse that supports a wage-earner, has at least some income in retirement. That should be IAW the conservative worldview, as it encourages productive work.

To answer your question, no. But I realize it's not a great investment per se.---Think about how much money you would have if it was set up like an IRA?-----It is a horrible investment

[TAFBSooner]

---Think about how much money you would have if it was set up
like an IRA?-----It is a horrible investment

I'm not arguing that point - see above.

[FaninAma]

And doesn't that pizz you off?!

Where oh where is that inflation that's supposed to smite us, as has been predicted by conservative economists since the last few months of Bush the Lesser's term?
Therre has been plenty of food inflation over the past 6 years. But actually the thing you should be worried about is deflation. Japan's economy just slipped back into recession(negative GDP) despite massive government stimulation. I think eventually we'll be in the same boat but not until the EU officially enters back into economic recession.

[SoonerorLater]

Left to follow it's natural path our economy would fall into deflation. Thus the unprecedented amount of money creation which if ever discontinued would result in the Great Depression II. This should give everybody an idea of our future. We will be like Japan, QE forever.

[TAFBSooner]

Therre has been plenty of food inflation over the past 6 years.

I agree. For what it's worth, food is one of the volatile components of inflation, i.e. affected by factors other than the overall economy. OK "more affected than most sectors" by factors other than the overall economy.


But actually the thing you should be worried about is deflation. Japan's economy just slipped back into recession(negative GDP) despite massive government stimulation. I think eventually we'll be in the same boat but not until the EU officially enters back into economic recession.

I am worried about deflation.

Does Japan's case indicate that govt stimulation doesn't really help? Or that there wasn't enough stimulation? Or just, if there's no life in the body don't waste your time with the AED?

IANAmacroE.

[Sooner8th]

Therre has been plenty of food inflation over the past 6 years. But actually the thing you should be worried about is deflation. Japan's economy just slipped back into recession(negative GDP) despite massive government stimulation. I think eventually we'll be in the same boat but not until the EU officially enters back into economic recession.

Food inflation doesn't seem that bad. One year prices went down, three years under 2%, one year at 3.4 and one year at 4.7%. Two years you could complain about the others under 2%. I wouldn't call that plenty.

2009 -0.5
2010 1.5
2011 4.7
2012 1.8
2013 1.1
2014 3.4

More conservative predictions on the economy. I remember be like Ireland, be like Spain, be like Greece and cut spending to grow the economy. That didn't work for them. Inflation is going to skyrocket, it hasn't. You say Japan is now in recession despite massive government stimulation, but you fail to mention they have an austerity program to rein in debt and deficits. So austerity isn't working for Japan either. HUH, didn't work in Ireland, Spain, Greece and now Japan. How many more countries have to try and fail austerity before people learn?

[BigTip]

Social Security is a government program that works.

You just made me choke on my dinner.

Works? Yes, until it's out of money. Even the sunshine pumpers say that it will run out of money in about 20 years unless something is radically changed soon. That is the most optimistic prediction.

[Sooner8th]

You just made me choke on my dinner.

Works? Yes, until it's out of money. Even the sunshine pumpers say that it will run out of money in about 20 years unless something is radically changed soon. That is the most optimistic prediction.

It does work, it works great. Sunshine pumpers? Run out of money? It is projected that in 2033 ss taxes will not be a high as benefits and would have to be cut by around 15%. One of the assumptions is that the workforce and wages will not grow between now and 2033.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

You just made me choke on my dinner.

Works? Yes, until it's out of money. Even the sunshine pumpers say that it will run out of money in about 20 years unless something is radically changed soon. That is the most optimistic prediction.

It does work, it works great. Sunshine pumpers? Run out of money? It is projected that in 2033 ss taxes will not be a high as benefits and would have to be cut by around 15%. One of the assumptions is that the workforce and wages will not grow between now and 2033.

The fact is, SS was never meant to be a fund for govt to use at it's own discretion. We shouldn't even be talking about it going bankrupt because it's our money...not the govt.'s
Now I know both libs and pubs are guilty of using ss for govt funding...doesn't make it right

[BigTip]

It does work, it works great. Sunshine pumpers? Run out of money? It is projected that in 2033 ss taxes will not be a high as benefits and would have to be cut by around 25%. One of the assumptions is that the workforce and wages will not grow between now and 2033.

...

[Sooner8th]

The fact is, SS was never meant to be a fund for govt to use at it's own discretion. We shouldn't even be talking about it going bankrupt because it's our money...not the govt.'s
Now I know both libs and pubs are guilty of using ss for govt funding...doesn't make it right

The pubs are a hell of a lot more guilty of it than the dems.

[REDREX]

And Who was the first President putting SS into the General Fund ?----Lets see it was LBJ a progressive

[Sooner8th]

And Who was the first President putting SS into the General Fund ?----Lets see it was LBJ a progressive

Jesus, what the hell does that have to do with who has used the most? Pubs have risen the debt a hell of a lot more than dems since it started!

[REDREX]

Jesus, what the hell does that have to do with who has used the most? Pubs have risen the debt a hell of a lot more than dems since it started!-----I know you believe the Dems do nothing wrong---The SS system was put in place by people that cannot understand an actuarial table if they thought it would ever be sustainable---------Then LBJ starts using the money for Viet Nam ---So who started this problem?

[Sooner8th]

-----I know you believe the Dems do nothing wrong---The SS system was put in place by people that cannot understand an actuarial table if they thought it would ever be sustainable---------Then LBJ starts using the money for Viet Nam ---So who started this problem?

And you don't think pubs ever do anything wrong. Go look at who raised deficits and who cut them. They ALWAYS go UP under pubs and they ALWAYS come down under DEMS.

[yermom]

you're just trolling now...

i mean, i tend to dislike more of what's going on under pubs, but the dems aren't always that much better

[REDREX]

And you don't think pubs ever do anything wrong. Go look at who raised deficits and who cut them. They ALWAYS go UP under pubs and they ALWAYS come down under DEMS.---Who started the SS problem not only from design but also using the funds? Simple question

[Sooner8th]

---Who started the SS problem not only from design but also using the funds? Simple question

Are you kidding me? Who started it is like asking - if your friend jumped off a bridge would you do it too? Why didn't nixon or reagan or bush 1 or bush 2 stop it? The "fiscal conservatives".

[TAFBSooner]

You just made me choke on my dinner.

Works? Yes, until it's out of money. Even the sunshine pumpers say that it will run out of money in about 20 years unless something is radically changed soon. That is the most optimistic prediction.

It WILL NOT "run out of money." If nothing is done between now and then, benefits will have to be cut by about 25%, but they will still be higher than they are today.

We can eliminate the 2030's problem by raising the income cap on contributions. We could raise benefits for all if we eliminated the income cap.

By the way, the Social Security fix passed by Reagan and O'Neill was designed as a permanent fix, based on the income distribution patterns in the 1980's. It is only out of kilter now because so much more of our national income is now going to the 1%.

[TAFBSooner]

The SS system was put in place by people that cannot understand an actuarial table if they thought it would ever be sustainable---So who started this problem?

Wrong. The original SS system was designed around the actuarial tables from the 1930's. You can't blame Roosevelt & company for not knowing how life expectancies would shoot up since then.


As for Dems doing nothing wrong:

Hillary voted for Iraq 2.0. Wrong!
Al Gore ran away from B Clinton in 2000. Wrong!
Feinstein called out the CIA, after carrying their water for years. Well, that was right, but only after she tried everything else first (HT to PM Churchill).

The above is not an exhaustive list. :bi_polo:

[FaninAma]

Food inflation doesn't seem that bad. One year prices went down, three years under 2%, one year at 3.4 and one year at 4.7%. Two years you could complain about the others under 2%. I wouldn't call that plenty.

2009 -0.5
2010 1.5
2011 4.7
2012 1.8
2013 1.1
2014 3.4

More conservative predictions on the economy. I remember be like Ireland, be like Spain, be like Greece and cut spending to grow the economy. That didn't work for them. Inflation is going to skyrocket, it hasn't. You say Japan is now in recession despite massive government stimulation, but you fail to mention they have an austerity program to rein in debt and deficits. So austerity isn't working for Japan either. HUH, didn't work in Ireland, Spain, Greece and now Japan. How many more countries have to try and fail austerity before people learn?
Not sure where you're getting your food price data but inflation in food prices is + 19% in 2014 and 8% year over year.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-26/real-inflation-fear-us-food-prices-are-19-2014

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140326_food_0.png

[REDREX]

Are you kidding me? Who started it is like asking - if your friend jumped off a bridge would you do it too? Why didn't nixon or reagan or bush 1 or bush 2 stop it? The "fiscal conservatives".----Nice attempt at deflection ---Too bad you won't answer the question

[REDREX]

Wrong. The original SS system was designed around the actuarial tables from the 1930's. You can't blame Roosevelt & company for not knowing how life expectancies would shoot up since then.


As for Dems doing nothing wrong:

Hillary voted for Iraq 2.0. Wrong!
Al Gore ran away from B Clinton in 2000. Wrong!
Feinstein called out the CIA, after carrying their water for years. Well, that was right, but only after she tried everything else first (HT to PM Churchill).

The above is not an exhaustive list. :bi_polo:---What a shock people live longer ---gee wonder if there was a trend?---also the amount contributed at the beginning was a fraction of what it is today-----Its a poor program that we are stuck with

[REDREX]

Japan has gone into a recession do to the consumption tax increasing from 5% to 8% ----Just as was predicted

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Japan has gone into a recession do to the consumption tax increasing from 5% to 8% ----Just as was predictedHey, their govt. got a temporary bump. Where's the problem? haha

[BigTip]

As for Dems doing nothing wrong:

Hillary voted for Iraq 2.0. Wrong!
Al Gore ran away from B Clinton in 2000. Wrong!
Feinstein called out the CIA, after carrying their water for years. Well, that was right, but only after she tried everything else first (HT to PM Churchill).

The above is not an exhaustive list. :bi_polo:

Don't forget Hillary repeating the title of this thread, which is why it is so topical again, after Obama was so vilified for saying it the first time.
Even though Obama's quote "is taken out of context" (cough**bullpoop**cough)

I fear for this country if their sentiment doesn't scare the crap out of you,

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The next 2 years are going to be "very special"

[REDREX]

The most interesting thing will be to watch the very Liberal Dems try and keep Hillary from getting the nomination

[Sooner8th]

----Nice attempt at deflection ---Too bad you won't answer the question

Are you kidding me? Some grade school bs - HE STARTED IT - is your defense of republicans using a hell of lot more of it than dems? That is a joke. If it was so bad how come nixon, reagan, bush 1 and 2 kept doing it?

[Sooner8th]

Japan has gone into a recession do to the consumption tax increasing from 5% to 8% ----Just as was predicted

YEP, taxing consumer spending is the best way to kill consumption. consumption tax = sales tax and ending income and property taxes and raising the sales tax is what the koch's want to do. Just like they did in kansas. It is YOUR party pushing for that in the US.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The most interesting thing will be to watch the very Liberal Dems try and keep Hillary from getting the nominationCould be, but they're(ALL the dems) more concerned about her not being viable, ie not being able to win. Of course, it matters a lot on who the R candidate is, and how much courage he/she has to fight the inevitable Shi*storm from the Media. It's ALL going to be very ugly, I'm afraid.

[REDREX]

Raising taxes hurts the economy your party will never learn that

[REDREX]

Are you kidding me? Some grade school bs - HE STARTED IT - is your defense of republicans using a hell of lot more of it than dems? That is a joke. If it was so bad how come nixon, reagan, bush 1 and 2 kept doing it?----It is the typical poorly designed Gov't program----maybe someday that will sink in

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Raising taxes hurts the economy your party will never learn thatTheir koolaid folks will deny human nature forever.

[Sooner8th]

Raising taxes hurts the economy your party will never learn that

It really hurt the economy when we raised them on the wealthy didn't it. It really hurt the economy when clinton raised them didn't it? It really hurt the economy when reagan raised them what 11 times, didn't it?

[rock on sooner]

Could be, but they're(ALL the dems) more concerned about her not being viable, ie not being able to win. Of course, it matters a lot on who the R candidate is, and how much courage he/she has to fight the inevitable Shi*storm from the Media. It's ALL going to be very ugly, I'm afraid.

RLIMC, yup, it'll be ugly in the media but it'll be FUN on this board!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

RLIMC, yup, it'll be ugly in the media but it'll be FUN on this board!How you continue to drink that koolaid is puzzling indeed.

[TAFBSooner]

Don't forget Hillary repeating the title of this thread, which is why it is so topical again, after Obama was so vilified for saying it the first time.
Even though Obama's quote "is taken out of context" (cough**bullpoop**cough)

I fear for this country if their sentiment doesn't scare the crap out of you,

I fear for this country because of those who only see the individual.

Barack and Hillary are wrong for skipping part of the idea. Should be "You didn't build it by yourself." THAT is true.



I don't suppose it would do any good to point out that the correct answer to "Which is the best way to learn about biology: the cell or the organism?" is that both are true.

Same thing about the individual and society.