The day after...the day after...

[Soonerjeepman]

Well, it's Monday.

I've been thinking...the biggest disappointment about Sat was the WAY OU lost, only seen that a few times since the 90's...a'm/usc. Total collapse, total "our guys can't cover your receivers so we'll do what we are doing"...etc. Just a big brain fart.

Do I expect OU to win every game every year? No

9, 10, 11 and occasionally 12 wins. Be in the hunt for the Big12 and talked about in the National Championship. The playing field is so much more level. Yes, Bama has their run, but on top of that not many teams have OU's success.

OU is still one of the top 10 programs currently. Is Bob Stoops beyond being criticized? no...is he the be all end all coach for OU? no. Sure folks thought after Bud there would never be another...I know after Barry I though there would never be another...Bob has done well, it seems to be "slipping" but I'll still bet OU comes out on top more than not. Bob gets paid a ton of money to put a good product on the field...didn't show that on Sat.

I lived through the 90's...it sucked.

[dwarthog]

Great thoughts.

Was watching the 30 for 30 last night on the Boz.

Didn't realize/remember until it was mentioned that Barry was coming off a couple of 4 loss seasons when the Boz hit town.

So we aren't in the middle of a dumpster fire just yet, IMO.

I'm optimistic this will be the event that will galvinize Stoops into taking thoughtful actions to correct whatever he sees as the key issues within the program right now.

Yeah, I know... Koolaide drinker...

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Hard to believe we went from number 4 ranking and playoff talk, to in ranked in a month.

Talk about ****ting the bed

[Soonerjeepman]

Hard to believe we went from number 4 ranking and playoff talk, to in ranked in a month.

Talk about ****ting the bed

so true...

Stoops worse season is -7-5, his first. An 8-4 and an 8-5. In 16 years. Just thinking about any other program not having those numbers...to NEVER have a sub .500, heck even .500 season is unbelievable.

[aero]

Yes, it could always be worse. But if you are going to coach at OU or Bama or USC or any other supposed top program, you are expected and should win. Very simple. Otherwise, go coach somewhere else. Go be Watson Brown. Or face the challenge of being the best and expect the criticism if you fail.

[BermudaSooner]

Imagine if we had lost that Texas game...

We've got 3 games that should be wins left. We need to finish this out, go to our crappy bowl and beat someone there. 10-3 is still possible.

Just still finding it hard to believe that WVU has athletes to slow down Baylor, but we don't. Amazed that our 4 senior OL averaging 320+ isn't better against decent competition.

Definitely a disappointing year.

At least the Thunder won last night. I went to the Thunder game Friday night--LOSS, OU game Saturday - BIG LOSS, son's soccer games - BIG LOSSES, and finally ended the weekend with something positive (although I'd certainly trade Thunder wins for OU wins!)

[Widescreen]

Bob has done well, it seems to be "slipping" but I'll still bet OU comes out on top more than not.
Thats not really the standard OU should shoot for.

[birddog]

Imagine if we had lost that Texas game...

We've got 3 games that should be wins left. We need to finish this out, go to our crappy bowl and beat someone there. 10-3 is still possible.

Just still finding it hard to believe that WVU has athletes to slow down Baylor, but we don't. Amazed that our 4 senior OL averaging 320+ isn't better against decent competition.

Definitely a disappointing year.

At least the Thunder won last night. I went to the Thunder game Friday night--LOSS, OU game Saturday - BIG LOSS, son's soccer games - BIG LOSSES, and finally ended the weekend with something positive (although I'd certainly trade Thunder wins for OU wins!)

We definitely have the athletes considering we BEAT the very same wvu team on the road. Either something isn't right with schemes and game prep, or both, or there's something going on behind the scenes that has hurt this team overall. Sure looked like the players quit and that's never been the sign of a stoops team outside of the usc game.

[Pricetag]

At least the Thunder won last night. I went to the Thunder game Friday night--LOSS, OU game Saturday - BIG LOSS, son's soccer games - BIG LOSSES, and finally ended the weekend with something positive (although I'd certainly trade Thunder wins for OU wins!)
Heh, along those same lines, I hope nobody is a Chicago Bears fan.

[Snrinhouston]

Great thoughts.

Was watching the 30 for 30 last night on the Boz.

Didn't realize/remember until it was mentioned that Barry was coming off a couple of 4 loss seasons when the Boz hit town.

So we aren't in the middle of a dumpster fire just yet, IMO.

I'm optimistic this will be the event that will galvinize Stoops into taking thoughtful actions to correct whatever he sees as the key issues within the program right now.

Yeah, I know... Koolaide drinker...


Shouldn't the a**whipping from A&M in the cotton bowl have done that? This is six straight years of NOT being in contention for the National Title by mid November. Once again OU won't be part of the morning discussions on the national pregame shows. It's absolutely unacceptable. Especially for a guy who gets paid only second to Saban. Second highest salary...and his team isn't even in the AP top 25. Pathetic. I"ll pose the same question I posed in another thread. How much of the $5.25MM do you think Stoops will refund this year for performing below expectations?

Stoops should move on at the end of the season. If he doesn't, he should be on the very short leash that Barry was put on going into the 1984 season. Prior to that season, the AD and President told Switzer how many games he'd have to win to keep his job.

[Sooner91ATL]

Hard to believe we went from number 4 ranking and playoff talk, to in ranked in a month.

Talk about ****ting the bed

But what is unbelievable is the amount of irrational exuberance we have as Sooner fans. Sure, we beat Alabama convincingly and had a good 3 games to close out last year's regular season. There was reason for optimism. Yet several of us noted on this board that a) Knight was as yet unproven and prone to injury b) the wide receivers were completely untested outside of Shep, c) the secondary still consisted of two new players and a couple of erratic returnees who had trouble tackling, covering, or both, d) as a trend we give up big plays with alarming predictability, even when playing well on defense. Yet there was all this heisman talk for Knight and not if, but when we went to the playoffs who would we face, Bama or florida state. When we win the next three games and a mediocre bowl game, many will forget the current humiliation - only to start the high expectation boom and bust cycle for next year.

[Soonerjeepman]

I know I'll tone down my expectations....lol. I think a major player in that was the o-line as well. 4 Sr? lots of experience....they've been a bust this year in tough games.

[dwarthog]

Shouldn't the a**whipping from A&M in the cotton bowl have done that? This is six straight years of NOT being in contention for the National Title by mid November. Once again OU won't be part of the morning discussions on the national pregame shows. It's absolutely unacceptable. Especially for a guy who gets paid only second to Saban. Second highest salary...and his team isn't even in the AP top 25. Pathetic. I"ll pose the same question I posed in another thread. How much of the $5.25MM do you think Stoops will refund this year for performing below expectations?

Stoops should move on at the end of the season. If he doesn't, he should be on the very short leash that Barry was put on going into the 1984 season. Prior to that season, the AD and President told Switzer how many games he'd have to win to keep his job.

Forgot the A&M *** whuppin....

JFF ran up and down our D all day in that one. JFF whupped Saban too if I recall.

Ostensibly getting M Stoops back and some time to get his kids into the program was going to be a solution of sorts. However that isn't looking too good so far from a fan perspective.

Maybe he is getting the right kids into the program and they just need some more seasoning to pan out. If that isn't the case, going to be a bumpy ride, or should I say even bumpier....

[BoulderSooner79]

JFF ran up and down our D all day in that one. JFF whupped Saban too if I recall.



I wouldn't say whupped. aTm won the game, but only after Bama failed on 4th and short inside the 10 at the end. JFF run up a bunch of stats the following year, but Bama won the game.

[dwarthog]

I wouldn't say whupped. aTm won the game, but only after Bama failed on 4th and short inside the 10 at the end. JFF run up a bunch of stats the following year, but Bama won the game.

True, it wasn't a beat down by A&M at Alabama, but it was against Saban and the juggernaut Alabama program. Not supposed to happen...

[BigTip]

I'll just say, gawd dammit, I am tired of not giving a crap about who needs to beat who to help us out. I like being undefeated of course. But after a loss I enjoy watching all the games deciding what win will most benefit us. Even after two losses I still do that.
Now, nothing.

Like BermudaSooner says, just get this season over with. Alamo Bowl?

I suppose we do have all our "best program since WWII" stats to keep bolstered. So we have that going for us. But...gawd dammit!

[Snrinhouston]

Forgot the A&M *** whuppin....

JFF ran up and down our D all day in that one. JFF whupped Saban too if I recall.

Ostensibly getting M Stoops back and some time to get his kids into the program was going to be a solution of sorts. However that isn't looking too good so far from a fan perspective.

Maybe he is getting the right kids into the program and they just need some more seasoning to pan out. If that isn't the case, going to be a bumpy ride, or should I say even bumpier....

Why take a chance? There is enough evidence over the past 6 years that OU can't compete for a NC under Stoops. Time for a new regime.

[BoulderSooner79]

True, it wasn't a beat down by A&M at Alabama, but it was against Saban and the juggernaut Alabama program. Not supposed to happen...

Alabama won the BCS title that year. My point is that these losses happen but a good team doesn't let that slow them down and they work and get better. That's even more true now with 4 slots available vs. 2.

As I've said before, I thought this team was probably a year away. But the defining attribute of such a team is that they improve dramatically as the season progresses and no one wants any part of them by November. My biggest disappointment with this squad is not so much the record, but that I see little improvement. So that makes me really question what we were a year away from.

[Snrinhouston]

Alabama won the BCS title that year. My point is that these losses happen but a good team doesn't let that slow them down and they work and get better. That's even more true now with 4 slots available vs. 2.

As I've said before, I thought this team was probably a year away. But the defining attribute of such a team is that they improve dramatically as the season progresses and no one wants any part of them by November. My biggest disappointment with this squad is not so much the record, but that I see little improvement. So that makes me really question what we were a year away from.

Hopefully less than a year away from a new coaching staff

[BoulderSooner79]

Hopefully less than a year away from a new coaching staff

I could see some turnover. But a whole new staff? I'd bet real money against that one.

[soonergirlNeugene]

This one hurts because of how promising the season started. Well also because we lost by more than 30 points at home vs Baylor. I made the trip out to Norman and had the misfortune of seeing this one up close and personal. On the disappointment scale, I wouldn't say it was as bad as TGOWWDNS (which I was also present for) but as we were leaving the stadium at the end of the game, it sure did bring back a lot of memories of growing up rooting for this team in the 90s. There was a particularly black stretch where we had 3, 4, or 5 win seasons and listening to my dad talk about the glory years and how OU would be back as soon as we hired the right coach sounded as absurd as listening to someone who was counting on the rapture to solve their problems.

As disgusted as I was walking out of there on Saturday, I did have a bit of a deja vu moment that brought back memories of so many quiet angry treks back across campus to the family car. But that also sort of gave me a bit of perspective. While it felt like one of those losses, it was only one. And comparatively, we are miles and miles away from the misery that was the 90s. But no Sooner wants to be reminded of those years. Last weekend was way too close for comfort.

[Snrinhouston]

I could see some turnover. But a whole new staff? I'd bet real money against that one.

Naw, I think Stoops is a smart guy; therefore he knows that NOW is the time to bail out.

[dwarthog]

Alabama won the BCS title that year. My point is that these losses happen but a good team doesn't let that slow them down and they work and get better. That's even more true now with 4 slots available vs. 2.

As I've said before, I thought this team was probably a year away. But the defining attribute of such a team is that they improve dramatically as the season progresses and no one wants any part of them by November. My biggest disappointment with this squad is not so much the record, but that I see little improvement. So that makes me really question what we were a year away from.

I'm in complete agreement with you.

[BigTip]

it sure did bring back a lot of memories of growing up rooting for this team in the 90s. There was a particularly black stretch where we had 3, 4, or 5 win seasons

I know I am a bad person, but this made me laugh.

[ouwasp]

I remember The Day After. It was a nuclear war movie released back in November of '83.

Seems like Baylor dropped a one-megaton bomb on Saturday, because there's a lot of fallout these days...

[Mookie91]

If after the Baylor game you want Stoops gone you're insane. The team got whipped but that was far from being outcoached. Julian Wilson can't cover anyone and maybe that falls to recruiting but Stoops has done pretty well in that department. Blake Bell dropped a 30 yarder and missed two blocks but he's the Belldozer so he can't do anything wrong. The enormous offensive line struggles in short yardage situations where they are clearly more physically imposing and that Stoops issue? If you think the Petrino or Neuheisel are going to bring Oklahoma to the promise land you're crazy and if you think you're going to poach Saban, Harbaugh or Petterson you're just as crazy.

Unfortunately, and I'm sorry, there isn't an NFL franchise for Oklahomans to root for but these are kids on Saturday. Kids screw up and very few of them do it for a living in the NFL because they aren't physically or mentally good enough to do so. I get frustrated as much as the next guy/gal but keep perspective. USC and Notre Dame have gone in the toilet going through the coaching carousel. If Stoops throws out some 8-5, 7-6 years or keeps getting housed at home, call for his head but remember TCU was on Trevor and KSU was on Hunnicut, both kids not Stoops. If these kids played better OU is a one loss team still battling for a playoff spot.

[Therealsouthsider]

....a little honesty, humility and focused anger from the head coach would go a long ways in my eyes, but as long as there is condescension, patronization and evasion towards the fan base and media then I believe the current staff is fair game for any and all criticism

.....Stoops would do well to glean a little of Buds respect and Switzers bravado and stop being such an @ss


ss

[BoulderSooner79]

In reality, there is nothing Stoops can say at a presser that would be well received after a 48-14 loss. Changing his message or demeanor might sooth one group of fans only to p*ss off another.

[Pricetag]

....a little honesty, humility and focused anger from the head coach would go a long ways in my eyes, but as long as there is condescension, patronization and evasion towards the fan base and media then I believe the current staff is fair game for any and all criticism

.....Stoops would do well to glean a little of Buds respect and Switzers bravado and stop being such an @ss


ss
Amen. My least favorite part of disappointments such as these is hearing indignant Stoops tell us about how many Big 12 championships he has won.

[Wishboned]

Hard to believe we went from number 4 ranking and playoff talk, to in ranked in a month.

Talk about ****ting the bed

Kind of reminds me of the 1981 season. OU was #2 and lost a heartbreaker to USC. Then it seemed the wheels fell off. Tied Iowa State at home, and that was only because the Iowa State kicker missed a last minute field goal. Got beat up by Texas. Then lost at Missouri and at home to Nebraska.

[Soonerjeepman]

If after the Baylor game you want Stoops gone you're insane. The team got whipped but that was far from being outcoached. Julian Wilson can't cover anyone and maybe that falls to recruiting but Stoops has done pretty well in that department. Blake Bell dropped a 30 yarder and missed two blocks but he's the Belldozer so he can't do anything wrong. The enormous offensive line struggles in short yardage situations where they are clearly more physically imposing and that Stoops issue? If you think the Petrino or Neuheisel are going to bring Oklahoma to the promise land you're crazy and if you think you're going to poach Saban, Harbaugh or Petterson you're just as crazy.

Unfortunately, and I'm sorry, there isn't an NFL franchise for Oklahomans to root for but these are kids on Saturday. Kids screw up and very few of them do it for a living in the NFL because they aren't physically or mentally good enough to do so. I get frustrated as much as the next guy/gal but keep perspective. USC and Notre Dame have gone in the toilet going through the coaching carousel. If Stoops throws out some 8-5, 7-6 years or keeps getting housed at home, call for his head but remember TCU was on Trevor and KSU was on Hunnicut, both kids not Stoops. If these kids played better OU is a one loss team still battling for a playoff spot.

not calling for him to leave...BUT you yourself said recruiting falls on stoops...yes it does. All we have in the secondary is a Sr who isn't worth it (obviously stoops thinks our guys can't cover tight)? THAT is on the coaches. Our oline may be big as elephants but TECHNIQUE is ALSO on the coaches....

SO it is on Stoops as well as the players...but it's a pretty know fact TK stares down his receivers...AGAIN, teaching or recruiting...on of the two.

Folks get called out for criticizing kids and coaches...jeeze. I'd rather call out the 50 yr old men that are in charge.

[Soonerjeepman]

....a little honesty, humility and focused anger from the head coach would go a long ways in my eyes, but as long as there is condescension, patronization and evasion towards the fan base and media then I believe the current staff is fair game for any and all criticism

.....Stoops would do well to glean a little of Buds respect and Switzers bravado and stop being such an @ss


ss


yup

I did the OP to show it's not the end of the world....here I am contradicting myself ....lol. I was getting over it till now~

[Tear Down This Wall]

If after the Baylor game you want Stoops gone you're insane. The team got whipped but that was far from being outcoached. Julian Wilson can't cover anyone and maybe that falls to recruiting but Stoops has done pretty well in that department. Blake Bell dropped a 30 yarder and missed two blocks but he's the Belldozer so he can't do anything wrong. The enormous offensive line struggles in short yardage situations where they are clearly more physically imposing and that Stoops issue? If you think the Petrino or Neuheisel are going to bring Oklahoma to the promise land you're crazy and if you think you're going to poach Saban, Harbaugh or Petterson you're just as crazy.

Unfortunately, and I'm sorry, there isn't an NFL franchise for Oklahomans to root for but these are kids on Saturday. Kids screw up and very few of them do it for a living in the NFL because they aren't physically or mentally good enough to do so. I get frustrated as much as the next guy/gal but keep perspective. USC and Notre Dame have gone in the toilet going through the coaching carousel. If Stoops throws out some 8-5, 7-6 years or keeps getting housed at home, call for his head but remember TCU was on Trevor and KSU was on Hunnicut, both kids not Stoops. If these kids played better OU is a one loss team still battling for a playoff spot.

NEWSFLASH: Blake Bell isn't a tight end. He went to the coaching staff to request a different position to play because he understood that the coaching staff was dumb enough to think Knight was better than him.

Good for Blake, bad for team...as in how the f*ck are we at this point in the program (16 years with Stoops) and the tight end position is so thin that you can just flip a tall quarterback over there and have him start with no prior experience?

It's stupid. And, I think it goes right in line with saying that you could pretty much dump every offensive coach - except for Gundy - and the thing would probably get better rapidly.

But, if you do so, please, for pete's sake, please do not hire anyone that has ever had anything to do with Mike Leach or Hal Mumme ever. No former Mumme/Leach players, assistant coaches, waterboys, headphone cord carriers...nothing!

Get someone with a offensive philosophy which encompasses more than throwing the ball four yards behind or from the line of scrimmage and hoping to hell your receivers can block it.

If I want to watch 7-on-7 football, I'll go sit at a high school practice field during the summer and watch the leagues they have here in the Metroplex. But, please...no more of that crap as the lead offensive philosophy for the team.