Watching the texsa offense against KSU leads me to one conclusion

[SoonerPride]

Our defense is terrible.

The texsa offense is slow and inept yet DOMINATED our supposedly "vaunted" defense.

Each week there are dozens of posts about our offensive production or lack thereof but hardly a peep about a defense which once again is wholly inadequate.

It is simply unfathomable that it could be so bad.

[GDC]

I posted 2 or 3 weeks ago that it might be time to consider the current scheme a failure but was shot down immediately. No reasoning was given as to why it could be considered evenly moderately successful. It's easy to overlook a porous defense when the offense can keep pace but both O and D are much too inconsistent. I've been disappointed in the inconsistent pass rush and soft coverage in the d backfield.

[SoonerMarkVA]

I said after KSU the defense was the far greater disappointment. I received no agreement on that. I have no idea why. Our defense after the first 3 games has been downright dismal.

[Eielson]

I stopped reading when you called Texas' offensive performance dominant.

[BoulderSooner79]

OUr guys certainly need to improve in many areas, defense included. I wouldn't say the D is terrible, but the numbers don't lie after 7 games - the D is average.

[SoonerPride]

I stopped reading when you called Texas' offensive performance dominant.

What would you call 38 minutes TOP, 84 plays, 24 first downs and 482 total yards?

Average?

They DOMINATED our defense and moved the ball at will all day long.

[vtsooner21]

Might be neck & neck as to who has been the biggest letdown this year.. Thank goodness there is still time in the season for a bit of redemption...Might require a great deal of work, though...

Boomer

[EatLeadCommie]

I said after KSU the defense was the far greater disappointment. I received no agreement on that. I have no idea why. Our defense after the first 3 games has been downright dismal.

Probably because the KSU game was a mirror image of the Texas game. Our D played well enough to win, and was hoodwinked for a good chunk of yards on those stupid option pass plays that were basically Tebow jumping at the goalline, only not at the goalline. There is no question that our D was terrible against Texas, however, and for the second consecutive year. The O playcalling was also awful for the second consecutive year. The O playcalling didn't have an excuse in the game, however, whereas the D was clearly gassed by an abundance of 3 and outs from the offense.

[BermudaSooner]

What would you call 38 minutes TOP, 84 plays, 24 first downs and 482 total yards?

Average?

They DOMINATED our defense and moved the ball at will all day long.

If that were true, we would have lost. They only had 13 points at half, and didn't move the ball at all in the 3rd quarter and first part of the 4th. They did not dominate our defense and move the ball at will all day long.

[Eielson]

Our defense does not to improve, but the exaggerations on this board are obnoxious.

Having said that, our defense has played well enough for us to be undefeated. Some of their overall performances have been poor, but they've made nearly every stop they've needed to late in games. Examples...

Tennessee: The offense pretty much fizzled out for the last 27 minutes of that game, but the defense only gave up 3 in the 2nd half, and sealed the game with a Pick-6.

WVU: Struggled in the first half, but registered one of the most impressive defensive performances in the Big XII this year in the second half. WVU averages 37.3 points per game, but only managed 3 in the second half before a garbage TD late in the game.

TCU: Plays were getting in late in the first half, and the #6 offense in the country took advantage in the first half. However, this is how the game ended...

*last possession of 3rd quarter: TCU 3 and out
*OU offense throws pick-6, but defense returns PAT for 2 points
*First possession of 4th quarter: TCU 3 and out
*Second possession of 4th quarter: OU defense forces fumble and gives offense ball at TCU 21 (gift-wrapped 3 points at least?)
*Third possession of 4th quarter: OU defense forces fumble and gives offense ball at TCU 46 (only need one first down to be in FG range?)
*Fourth/Final possession of 4th quarter: TCU 3 and out

That was probably the best 20 minutes of defense from any team in the country. ALL WE NEEDED WAS 1 POINT FROM THE OFFENSE IN THE FINAL 35 MINUTES OF THE GAME. Not only did we not get it, but they gift-wrapped 6 points to the defense

K-State: The poorest performance of the year from our defense, but that was in large part due to illegal blocking on that pass/run option play. However, when the game was on the line, they came out and forced a 3 and out. The offense, on the other hand, couldn't produce 7 points in the 4th quarter. Couldn't even make an XP or convert on a 1st and goal from the 1.

So in the end, call the defense awful, inadequate, average, poorly coached, etc...but they've ALWAYS come through when they needed to. They've been NC-caliber in the 4th quarter, while the offense has been non-bowl-eligble-caliber in the 4th.

So yes. Our offense is our problem.

[Eielson]

What would you call 38 minutes TOP, 84 plays, 24 first downs and 482 total yards?

Average?

They DOMINATED our defense and moved the ball at will all day long.

I'd call it below average, because it only produced 19 points (adjusting for the pick-6).

[SoonerPride]

Sure enough once again here come the Stoops apologists and sunshine pumpers step up to proclaim everything's okie dokie.

Never mind systemic flaws and players continually busting assignments or demonstrating inconsistent - at best - tackling technique.

Nope nothing to see here.

[aurorasooner]

I don't think our D is terrible just confused, and the showboat pick 6 or the showboat fumble recovery for 6 is the goal instead of playing solid D.

Our schemes on offense and defense have pretty much been predictable chite the last 3 weeks though but the O got a little better against KSU.

BTW is C. Gastoleum (sp-?) still on the team?

[SoonerorLater]

Our defense is terrible.

The texsa offense is slow and inept yet DOMINATED our supposedly "vaunted" defense.

Each week there are dozens of posts about our offensive production or lack thereof but hardly a peep about a defense which once again is wholly inadequate.

It is simply unfathomable that it could be so bad.


Our defense is not bad. It has underachieved relative to our physical talent to my estimation but in terms of points allowed they have been pretty solid. You're trying to imbue transitive properties that simply don't exist from one football team to another.

[SoonerPride]

Our defense is terrible.

The texsa offense is slow and inept yet DOMINATED our supposedly "vaunted" defense.

Each week there are dozens of posts about our offensive production or lack thereof but hardly a peep about a defense which once again is wholly inadequate.

It is simply unfathomable that it could be so bad.


Our defense is not bad. It has underachieved relative to our physical talent to my estimation but in terms of points allowed they have been pretty solid. You're trying to imbue transitive properties that simply don't exist from one football team to another.

Perhaps.

Perhaps the Iowa St. that took KSU to the wire and schooled texsa will be shut out by our impressive defense. Though I suspect we'll see Mangino school M Stoops and make us look confused and stupid.

But perhaps the transitive property doesn't apply.

We'll see.

[Eielson]

Sure enough once again here come the Stoops apologists and sunshine pumpers step up to proclaim everything's okie dokie.

Never mind systemic flaws and players continually busting assignments or demonstrating inconsistent - at best - tackling technique.

Nope nothing to see here.

Yeah...just ignore everything I said and go on with your pity party.

Honest question...Do you cry yourself to sleep at night? You seem to have such a rough life.

[Blue]

I'm so disgusted w/ this team I cant even think about where the problems are. But I'd say all of the above. Our coaches due a **** poor job of getting this team ready to play.

[SoonerPride]

Sure enough once again here come the Stoops apologists and sunshine pumpers step up to proclaim everything's okie dokie.

Never mind systemic flaws and players continually busting assignments or demonstrating inconsistent - at best - tackling technique.

Nope nothing to see here.

Yeah...just ignore everything I said and go on with your pity party.

Honest question...Do you cry yourself to sleep at night? You seem to have such a rough life.

My life is great.

This football team is not.

But I'm not on the team and I sleep just fine. Thanks.

[aero]

For the most part, comparing how teams fare against common opponents provides limited data. The RRR is game unto itself and anything is possible regardless of each teams quaiity. This team lost 2 games by a combined 5 points. To teams ranked #10 & #11 and actually playing like top ten teams. And those 2 losses could easily been wins. While the D hasn't been as dominant as they projected they were early, they are still not too bad. Probably played well enough to win every game so far. Most decent teams nowadays are going to score points even on good defenses. And while there appears room for D improvement (and maybe that is scheme as much as coaching), the offense play and play calling seems to be the area that has cost us and has us with 2 losses. I'd love a few shutouts and less than 200 total ypg but those defenses don't come around often, especially in our conference and a lot of others. Even if they have just done enough, can't say that about the offense.

[SoonerPride]

Oklahoma is ranked 102nd in pass defense.

OU ranks 80th in 3rd down conversion defense.

Tell me again how this is supposedly ok.

[aero]

Stats are for losers. Hawaii, Florida International, UTEP, La Monroe all are ranked pretty high on 3rd down conversion. Yea, whatever. We've played some good offenses. And for those that can't comprehend simple English - the D could improve. But the D hasn't been this teams biggest problem.

[SoonerorLater]

Oklahoma is ranked 102nd in pass defense.

OU ranks 80th in 3rd down conversion defense.

Tell me again how this is supposedly ok.

That's kind of cherry picking some stats. What you are doing is using data mining to prove a confirmation bias. Isolated these stats don't mean much.

[SoonerorLater]

Stats are for losers. Hawaii, Florida International, UTEP, La Monroe all are ranked pretty high on 3rd down conversion. Yea, whatever. We've played some good offenses. And for those that can't comprehend simple English - the D could improve. But the D hasn't been this teams biggest problem.


Yes here are the top 20 passing defenses in the country........If only we could have a defense like San Jose State.

1 San Jose State
2 Wisconsin
3 New Mexico State
4 Florida
5 Houston
6 Stanford
7 Ohio State
8 Pittsburgh
9 Clemson
10 Oregon State
11 UTEP
12 Temple
13 UCF
14 Texas
15 Miami (FL)
16 Iowa
17 Penn State
18 South Alabama
19 Louisville
20 Tulane

[Eielson]

Oklahoma is ranked 102nd in pass defense.

OU ranks 80th in 3rd down conversion defense.

Tell me again how this is supposedly ok.

Why should I talk about your statistics while you ignore mine? Our defense has come through when we needed them (see earlier post). Your lack of a response leads me to believe you have no rebuttal.

But I'm going to bite anyway...

Big XII Scoring Defense
1. K-State
2. TCU
3. Oklahoma
4. Baylor
5. Texas
6. West Virginia
7. Oklahoma State/Kansas
9. ISU
10. Texas Tech

[SoonerForLife92]

Perhaps.

Perhaps the Iowa St. that took KSU to the wire and schooled texsa will be shut out by our impressive defense. Though I suspect we'll see Mangino school M Stoops and make us look confused and stupid.

But perhaps the transitive property doesn't apply.

We'll see.

Hope you're enjoying the shut out so far.

And guess what? Our offense is actually moving the ball consistently and playing well.

[Mookie91]

Why should I talk about your statistics while you ignore mine? Our defense has come through when we needed them (see earlier post). Your lack of a response leads me to believe you have no rebuttal.

But I'm going to bite anyway...

Big XII Scoring Defense
1. K-State
2. TCU
3. Oklahoma
4. Baylor
5. Texas
6. West Virginia
7. Oklahoma State/Kansas
9. ISU
10. Texas Tech

I'll bite OU, Baylor, Texas and West Virginia are all sub-par defensive teams and that ranking just proves that the Big 12 D's aren't very good as a conference. Now I will admit the high powered offenses do play a role in this issue but the reason K-State and TCU are the best the conference has to offer is due to the fact their defense is less bad than the rest.

[Eielson]

Perhaps the Iowa St. that took KSU to the wire and schooled texsa will be shut out by our impressive defense. Though I suspect we'll see Mangino school M Stoops and make us look confused and stupid.

Confused and stupid is right!