Supreme Court dodges gay marriage, allowing weddings in five states

[Ton Loc]

Supreme Court dodges gay marriage, allowing weddings in five states (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-declines-to-intervene-in-gay-marriage-cases/ar-BB7PIb4?ocid=ansnewsreu11&pfr=1)

Yay!

Now let's get this spread across the nation and legalize weed while we're at it and two things that have no effect on me - but drive me crazy with the stupid arguments for and against it - will be resolved.

[BoulderSooner79]

Congrats to the people of Oklahoma on this history occasion! Now you can sleep at night knowing you can marry your boyfriend or girlfriend depending on how you feel that day.

[Eielson]

Gay.

[REDREX]

I can't wait for the same sex divorce lawyers to start advertising

[BoulderSooner79]

Gay.

Captain Obvious.

:surprise:

[olevetonahill]

I can't wait for the same sex divorce lawyers to start advertising

Heh .Their Slogan :highly_amused:
"has your Gay marriage turned Queer?" Come to Labia Lickers and Pole Smokers Divorce attorneys Today!

[rock on sooner]

Ya know, we had a thread a year or so back where the question was,"How
does gay marriage affect the individual heterosexual marriage? The overwhelming
answer,..."It don't matter!" I've been married for over 37 years to the bestest
woman I could ever hope for and our discussion has been on the topic of "How
does gay marriage affect us?" Know what? It doesn't..our belief is that it is
much ado about nothing. Enlighten me/us, how on earth does two guys or two
gals getting hitched affect the institution?

Serious question, not looking for flames.....

[olevetonahill]

Ya know, we had a thread a year or so back where the question was,"How
does gay marriage affect the individual heterosexual marriage? The overwhelming
answer,..."It don't matter!" I've been married for over 37 years to the bestest
woman I could ever hope for and our discussion has been on the topic of "How
does gay marriage affect us?" Know what? It doesn't..our belief is that it is
much ado about nothing. Enlighten me/us, how on earth does two guys or two
gals getting hitched affect the institution?

Serious question, not looking for flames.....

It dont, They gonna Butt **** each other do the Carpet munchin with each other if they married er not.
I say let em get Married and suffer like every other married couple.

[BoulderSooner79]

Ya know, we had a thread a year or so back where the question was,"How
does gay marriage affect the individual heterosexual marriage? The overwhelming
answer,..."It don't matter!" I've been married for over 37 years to the bestest
woman I could ever hope for and our discussion has been on the topic of "How
does gay marriage affect us?" Know what? It doesn't..our belief is that it is
much ado about nothing. Enlighten me/us, how on earth does two guys or two
gals getting hitched affect the institution?

Serious question, not looking for flames.....

It makes the club less exclusive? Maybe we invent a VIP club membership to compensate.

[BoulderSooner79]

It dont, They gonna Butt **** each other do the Carpet munchin with each other if they married er not.
I say let em get Married and suffer like every other married couple.

Spoken like a man with 150lbs of ex-wife taken off his shoulders…

[olevetonahill]

Spoken like a man with 150lbs of ex-wife taken off his shoulders…

If yer divorced, Not payin alimony or child support then yer a happy Camper.

[BoulderSooner79]

If yer divorced, Not payin alimony or child support then yer a happy Camper.

I guess that means you won't marry me. :frown:

[olevetonahill]

I guess that means you won't marry me. :frown:

Well now You I might make an exception for sweet cheeks!

[BoulderSooner79]

Well now You I might make an exception for sweet cheeks!

No pre-nup, right?

[olevetonahill]

No pre-nup, right?

Oh hell YES If you split you leave with nothing. All my stuff belong to Me. Hell all Your stuff belong to me!

[BoulderSooner79]

Oh hell YES If you split you leave with nothing. All my stuff belong to Me. Hell all Your stuff belong to me!

I knew it was too good to be true - can't part with my bicycle. Hope we can stay bro's

[olevetonahill]

I knew it was too good to be true - can't part with my bicycle. Hope we can stay bro's

Prolly be for the best if yer gonna put Material things 1st .

[badger]

While I'm sure the ruling makes some Oklahomans that never intend to visit 20 of the 50 states very happy (those states including Texas and Arkansas), the ruling was a copout.

Some day, the feds will bite the bullet and have a nationwide marriage law. Till then, cross the Illinois or Arkansas rivers, and you're no longer legally married. :texan:

[Soonerjeepman]

Ya know, we had a thread a year or so back where the question was,"How
does gay marriage affect the individual heterosexual marriage? The overwhelming
answer,..."It don't matter!" I've been married for over 37 years to the bestest
woman I could ever hope for and our discussion has been on the topic of "How
does gay marriage affect us?" Know what? It doesn't..our belief is that it is
much ado about nothing. Enlighten me/us, how on earth does two guys or two
gals getting hitched affect the institution?

Serious question, not looking for flames.....

I'll be 8th on this thread...lol
Does it affect the day to day routine?...no, it's a bigger picture. It's not natural..all I'm saying...

[REDREX]

I don't care who anyone marries as long as the have to follow the same legal and financial rules as all married people

[TAFBSooner]

I'll be 8th on this thread...lol
Does it affect the day to day routine?...no, it's a bigger picture. It's not natural..all I'm saying...

I think you mean "it's not moral," or maybe "it disgusts me."

It is "natural," if you define natural as being part of nature. Google Bonobos, or homosexuality in animals.

[Ton Loc]

Some day, the feds will bite the bullet and have a nationwide marriage law. Till then, cross the Illinois or Arkansas rivers, and you're no longer legally married. :texan:

For sure, but at least we're not the last state this time...even it was forced on us - sorta. The other 5 states covered by those court decisions may have to follow along too - so that makes what? 11 more states, I think. That's 30 out of 50.

However, we're still stuck with 3.2 beer and that's an outrage that affects me every game day. I think its time we take a stand.

[FaninAma]

Supreme Court dodges gay marriage, allowing weddings in five states (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-declines-to-intervene-in-gay-marriage-cases/ar-BB7PIb4?ocid=ansnewsreu11&pfr=1)

Yay!

Now let's get this spread across the nation and legalize weed while we're at it and two things that have no effect on me - but drive me crazy with the stupid arguments for and against it - will be resolved.

You are naive if you think that weed is harmless and causes no problems for society.

As soon as gay marriage is accepted in every state we will discover that most gays do not want to get married. Monogamy is not a big defining principle of that culture.

[olevetonahill]

I think you mean "it's not moral," or maybe "it disgusts me."

It is "natural," if you define natural as being part of nature. Google Bonobos, or homosexuality in animals.

So yer saying Animals do it so it makes it natural?

Thats silly

[Ton Loc]

You are naive if you think that weed is harmless and causes no problems for society.

As soon as gay marriage is accepted in every state we will discover that most gays do not want to get married. Monogamy is not a big defining principle of that culture.

I said it has no effect on me. Much like your opinion.

Monogamy isn't a big part of any culture - As seen by the nationwide divorce rate. Unless you count atheists as a cultural - they have the lowest divorce rate.

Regardless - Yay for the gays! Now lets move on to something more important.

[BoulderSooner79]

I'll be 8th on this thread...lol
Does it affect the day to day routine?...no, it's a bigger picture. It's not natural..all I'm saying...

Look around and our whole life is contrived. Cars, jets, military machines of destruction, bombs so powerful they split atoms. Gigihertz cpus in your smart phone. Fake sweetener in diet soda, giant stadiums where 80k folks watch a football game. Plastic surgery, in-vitro babies, GMO plants and livestock. Even our desires are contrived - fake boobs, hair color, money!

Move all the people of earth to a new, pristine planet and wipe their memory of these things and life would be pretty simple and natural as determined by the brain stem. And there would be gay couples.

[olevetonahill]

Look around and our whole life is contrived. Cars, jets, military machines of destruction, bombs so powerful they split atoms. Gigihertz cpus in your smart phone. Fake sweetener in diet soda, giant stadiums where 80k folks watch a football game. Plastic surgery, in-vitro babies, GMO plants and livestock. Even our desires are contrived - fake boobs, hair color, money!

Move all the people of earth to a new, pristine planet and wipe their memory of these things and life would be pretty simple and natural as determined by the brain stem. And there would be gay couples.

Still dont make it right.

Yall tell me again about how animals do it so its ok and Natural.

[BoulderSooner79]

Still dont make it right.

Yall tell me again about how animals do it so its ok and Natural.

It certainly makes it natural. Right or wrong is a contrived thing we project, animals don't seem to do that.

[Ton Loc]

Still dont make it right.

Yall tell me again about how animals do it so its ok and Natural.

****, ain't no point in arguing. If it isn't natural to you then it isn't natural. Besides, just because an animal does anything has never been a good reason for a human to do it. I think we're a little bit smarter. Just a bit.

[Eielson]

Look around and our whole life is contrived. Cars, jets, military machines of destruction, bombs so powerful they split atoms. Gigihertz cpus in your smart phone. Fake sweetener in diet soda, giant stadiums where 80k folks watch a football game. Plastic surgery, in-vitro babies, GMO plants and livestock. Even our desires are contrived - fake boobs, hair color, money!

Most of the things you mentioned are contributing to the destruction of Earth in some way.

[BoulderSooner79]

Most of the things you mentioned are contributing to the destruction of Earth in some way.

This is true and I question the wisdom of many of them. But I don't see many people arguing they should be illegal because they are not natural (ok, maybe nuke weapons). But people get all agitated over gay behavior when it seems to have existed for at least as long as written history and in every known civilization.

[TAFBSooner]

You are naive if you think that weed is harmless and causes no problems for society.

I would never say weed is harmless, or causes no problems for society. The question is whether the harm it causes is more or less than the harm caused by the drug war.

(Oops, who's listening?) I mean to say, I'm all in on the drug war, folks. Because Prohibition 1.0 worked out so well.


As soon as gay marriage is accepted in every state we will discover that most gays do not want to get married. Monogamy is not a big defining principle of that culture.

[TAFBSooner]

So yer saying Animals do it so it makes it natural?

Thats silly

Natural = happens in nature.

Maybe that's why some folks still hold on to literal 24x6 Creationism. Literal Creationism breaks the bond betweeen us and the animals we evolved from, so we can put our hands over our ears with regard to anything we might otherwise learn from animals. Then, "natural" can mean only what we believe / were taught is right for humans.

Or were you just stirrin' again?

[Eielson]

This is true and I question the wisdom of many of them. But I don't see many people arguing they should be illegal because they are not natural (ok, maybe nuke weapons). But people get all agitated over gay behavior when it seems to have existed for at least as long as written history and in every known civilization.

Agreed.

I hate the natural argument in general. The one thing that the natural argument has here is that all this recreational sex (heterosexuals included) has led to some really nasty STDs that aren't found in the animal population. Then again, isn't it more natural to try to procreate with every attractive woman we see? I mean, if see an attractive woman bending over to deadlift in the gym...wouldn't it be natural if we "****ed like animals?" Also, how is it natural for two brilliant human beings to marry and never have kids? Or even if they do reproduce, but live to be 80 and only have one or two offspring? How is that beneficial to the survival of the human race? They should be popping them out right and left. This whole natural talk is dizzying to me, and it can be twisted to whatever you want.

I will say, though, that the butthole is not built to be penetrated.

[BoulderSooner79]

Agreed.

I hate the natural argument in general. The one thing that the natural argument has here is that all this recreational sex (heterosexuals included) has led to some really nasty STDs that aren't found in the animal population. Then again, isn't it more natural to try to procreate with every attractive woman we see? I mean, if see an attractive woman bending over to deadlift in the gym...wouldn't it be natural if we "****ed like animals?" Also, how is it natural for two brilliant human beings to marry and never have kids? Or even if they do reproduce, but live to be 80 and only have one or two offspring? How is that beneficial to the survival of the human race? They should be popping them out right and left. This whole natural talk is dizzying to me, and it can be twisted to whatever you want.

I will say, though, that the butthole is not built to be penetrated.

Natural doesn't alway mean beneficial. STDs are natural as there are opportunistic parasites everywhere - so I guess beneficial is in the eye of the beholder (the parasites in this case). There are murderers in the animal world too and I'm not talking about carnivores. Some animals go off the rails and kill their own kind.

Gay behavior seems natural from everything I've read, and I'm talking about humans. It's a fringe behavior with every estimate I've sees to be around ~3%of the population, but that's a bunch of folks out of 7 billion. And the behavior seems to be benign as far as hurting anyone or society. But I also have to admit that disdain for gay behavior is also natural as that seems to be prevalent for as long as written history as well. But that behavior is clearly harmful to those that are gay. So if we are to step in with human projected morals, which one should we tackle? The one that is benign (unless you count making people uncomfortable), or the one that is harmful? It seems we are inching towards the latter.

[Eielson]

Natural doesn't alway mean beneficial. STDs are natural as there are opportunistic parasites everywhere - so I guess beneficial is in the eye of the beholder (the parasites in this case).

If we got this route, then absolutely everything is natural...which might be your point I suppose. Like I said, I hate natural arguments.

[TAFBSooner]

Agreed.

I hate the natural argument in general. The one thing that the natural argument has here is that all this recreational sex (heterosexuals included) has led to some really nasty STDs that aren't found in the animal population. Then again, isn't it more natural to try to procreate with every attractive woman we see? I mean, if see an attractive woman bending over to deadlift in the gym...wouldn't it be natural if we "****ed like animals?" Also, how is it natural for two brilliant human beings to marry and never have kids? Or even if they do reproduce, but live to be 80 and only have one or two offspring? How is that beneficial to the survival of the human race? They should be popping them out right and left. This whole natural talk is dizzying to me, and it can be twisted to whatever you want.

I will say, though, that the butthole is not built to be penetrated.

Digression on the "two brilliant humans:" it would be much better for humanity if the two of them developed a cure for, say, testicular cancer than if they had a quiverfull of kids. And for that matter, how, exactly, is it beneficial to humanity for any two people to pop out a high quantity of kids?</digression>

So, do we all agree to drop the "not natural" argument in favor of the "immoral" and "disgusting" arguments? Works for me. Carry on.

[BoulderSooner79]

So, do we all agree to drop the "not natural" argument in favor of the "immoral" and "disgusting" arguments? Works for me. Carry on.

Yes, and those are subjective and not a basis for legislation.

[FaninAma]

I said it has no effect on me. Much like your opinion.

Monogamy isn't a big part of any culture - As seen by the nationwide divorce rate. Unless you count atheists as a cultural - they have the lowest divorce rate.
Regardless - Yay for the gays! Now lets move on to something more important.

So you are not a part of society? How did you accomplish that? Anything that negatively impacts society affects each member of that society.

Now if you could just convince the leftist PC crowd that opinions have no impact on them we would all be better off.

My statement about monogamy and gay culure was not a condemnation of gays. In fact, their non-monogomous tendencies will be less detrimental to society than the current trend of heterosexuals fathering multiple offspring with no intention of being around to support and nuture them.

[olevetonahill]

Natural = happens in nature.

Maybe that's why some folks still hold on to literal 24x6 Creationism. Literal Creationism breaks the bond betweeen us and the animals we evolved from, so we can put our hands over our ears with regard to anything we might otherwise learn from animals. Then, "natural" can mean only what we believe / were taught is right for humans.


Or were you just stirrin' again?

:highly_amused: Like Ive said many times I DGAS where ya put yer dick . Just dont ever point it at Me or you will singin Soprano.

Im just pointing out the Animals do argument is stupid. Animals Kill and eat their young. Animals Beat other over sex
So If I get mad and Kill someone over some Punanny. It must be natural and therefore OK to do it,

Now If Being Natural is not an argument FOR then why even mention it?

[olevetonahill]

Here Let Willie tell ta ya about it! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9hCSUckCg&list=PLJSE29Te92XubkMxvitMFkHODktOD2SDc

[TAFBSooner]

:highly_amused: Like Ive said many times I DGAS where ya put yer dick . Just dont ever point it at Me or you will singin Soprano.

Im just pointing out the Animals do argument is stupid. Animals Kill and eat their young. Animals Beat other over sex
So If I get mad and Kill someone over some Punanny. It must be natural and therefore OK to do it,

Now If Being Natural is not an argument FOR then why even mention it?

Jeep claimed gay isn't natural, which is a false claim about reality. Of course, something being "natural" isn't a sufficient condition to do it.

[Ton Loc]

So you are not a part of society? How did you accomplish that? Anything that negatively impacts society effects each member of that society.

Now if you could just convince the leftist PC crowd that opinions have no impact on them we would all be better off.

My statement about monogamy and gay culure was not a condemnation of gays. In fact, their non-monogomous tendencies will be less detrimental to society than the current trend of heterosexuals fathering multiple offspring with no intention of being around to support and nuture them.

If it wasn't a condemnation than what was the point. Just wanted to point out an aspect of a culture that is shared by the majority of every culture or just wanted to throw something out there and see if it sticks?

And no, this will have no real effect on me. My life won't be worse or better because of it. Maybe get to go to a few more weddings. If anything, it will be positive because I won't hear the bitching and complaining about it anymore. Hopefully...maybe...starting to think that's still awhile down the road

[Eielson]

Digression on the "two brilliant humans:" it would be much better for humanity if the two of them developed a cure for, say, testicular cancer than if they had a quiverfull of kids. And for that matter, how, exactly, is it beneficial to humanity for any two people to pop out a high quantity of kids?</digression>


20 brilliant minds > 2 brilliant minds

[BoulderSooner79]

Jeep claimed gay isn't natural, which is a false claim about reality. Of course, something being "natural" isn't a sufficient condition to do it.

But the question isn't what people do, it's what is reasonable for society to pass laws to disallow. One would hope there needs to be demonstrable harm. And one could argue we're just talking about marriage and not individual rights and freedoms. But you don't have to go back too far in time and it was exactly that - coming out of the closet gave up basic rights, such as employment opportunity. It harms society to have 3% of the workforce artificially excluded. So marriage equality is a natural progression building on rights previously won - follows Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I could certainly change my mind and be against it if I could ever see a rational argument it is harmful to society. Being uncomfortable or religious arguments don't do it for me as we are a secular nation. But I do believe this properly falls to the court system under basic rights, so whether I approve or not is irrelevant.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I thought you were gay blind???

[BoulderSooner79]

I thought you were gay blind???

I'm sure you're relieved today now that you can marry your bro.

[Soonerjeepman]

I will say, though, that the butthole is not built to be penetrated.

thanks, you actually made me point...or one of them.

instead "natural" I'll use normal. There are always abnormal occurrences in living things. Less than 3% of the population is reported to be homosexual...

Been down this road...you (people that support it) vote how you believe, I'll vote how I believe. Yes, I know at this time I'm in the less than 50% minority..but still won't convince me to accept it as normal behavior. We'll just leave it at that. :victorious:

[olevetonahill]

thanks, you actually made me point...or one of them.

instead "natural" I'll use normal. There are always abnormal occurrences in living things. Less than 3% of the population is reported to be homosexual...

Been down this road...you (people that support it) vote how you believe, I'll vote how I believe. Yes,
I know at this time I'm in the less than 50% minority..but still won't convince me to accept it as normal behavior. We'll just leave it at that. :victorious:

NO yer NOT bro. the Silent Majority has went back SILENT!

[olevetonahill]

Can I get an I agree?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9hCSUckCg#t=19

[olevetonahill]

Jeep claimed gay isn't natural, which is a false claim about reality. Of course, something being "natural" isn't a sufficient condition to do it.

It aint Natural! It ain right.
Now will I condemn a Friend? No But I will say That shat AINT right!

[Soonerjeepman]

unfortunately Vet, it's the PC thing now to "accept" everyone. Got several gay folks in the family....they're blood, I love them but don't accept their life style. Do I treat them differently? no but I also don't believe in their choice* (* that is the main argument the gays use).

headed to bed...good night!...love Willie...and yes..."that **** ain't right"

[FaninAma]

If it wasn't a condemnation than what was the point. Just wanted to point out an aspect of a culture that is shared by the majority of every culture or just wanted to throw something out there and see if it sticks?

And no, this will have no real effect on me. My life won't be worse or better because of it. Maybe get to go to a few more weddings. If anything, it will be positive because I won't hear the bitching and complaining about it anymore. Hopefully...maybe...starting to think that's still awhile down the road

I am talking about the legalization of marijuana having a detrimental effect on society more than the legalization of gay marriage. In the big scheme of things legalizing gay marriage is a minor, minor part of the overall progressive effort to dismantle traditional marriage/families as the backbone of a successful, stable society. Society will eventually discover the staggering cost of this effort far too late.

[rock on sooner]

I am talking about the legalization of marijuana having a detrimental effect on society more than the legalization of gay marriage. In the big scheme of things legalizing gay marriage is a minor, minor part of the overall progressive effort to dismantle traditional marriage/families as the backbone of a successful, stable society. Society will eventually discover the staggering cost of this effort far too late.

Not sure how MaryJane getting legal does anything more than what alcohol did. Yup,
Drunk driving is an issue and it seems as though most domestic violence is alcohol
based..how is that different than what MJ would be...most studies say it isn't addictive,
so I'm not sure it is as bad as some think...I do believe that the medical aspect needs
SERIOUS investigation and a really rapid resolution...appears to be many overseas areas
that can be studied for good/bad. I am absolutely certain that gay marriage will have no
negative effect on society, other than getting many conservatives upset....so, where the
he!! are we?

[FaninAma]

Not sure how MaryJane getting legal does anything more than what alcohol did. Yup,
Drunk driving is an issue and it seems as though most domestic violence is alcohol
based..how is that different than what MJ would be...most studies say it isn't addictive,
so I'm not sure it is as bad as some think...I do believe that the medical aspect needs
SERIOUS investigation and a really rapid resolution...appears to be many overseas areas
that can be studied for good/bad. I am absolutely certain that gay marriage will have no
negative effect on society, other than getting many conservatives upset....so, where the
he!! are we?
Keep telling yourself that. I wasn't aware that casual use of alcohol increased one's chances of developing schizophrenia and other major mental illnesses.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676

And no, gay marriage won't have a big negative impacton society but it is a small part of the assault on traditional families. Ask the black community how that has gone for them.

[Ton Loc]

Keep telling yourself that. I wasn't aware that casual use of alcohol increased one's chances of developing schizophrenia and other major mental illnesses.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676

And no, gay marriage won't have a big negative impacton society but it is a small part of the assault on traditional families. Ask the black community how that has gone for them.

$20 says that the first study shows gay marriages last longer than straight marriages.

[TAFBSooner]

$20 says that the first study shows gay marriages last longer than straight marriages.

I would believe that if it turns out that the percentages of gay marriages skew more lesbian than gay male. Which I would guess it would. So no bet.

I would also believe that THAT statistic won't be widely reported.

[BoulderSooner79]

$20 says that the first study shows gay marriages last longer than straight marriages.

I'll bet that is true for a while because it seems many of the early takers are established couples that have already been together for years. I don't have stats on that, but anytime a news piece interviews gays getting in line for licenses, seems they have been together 15+ years.

[TAFBSooner]

Keep telling yourself that. I wasn't aware that casual use of alcohol increased one's chances of developing schizophrenia and other major mental illnesses.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-risk-for-later-schizophrenia-psychosis-201103071676


Please consider your excellent signature line, and apply it to this discussion.

[Eielson]

$20 says that the first study shows gay marriages last longer than straight marriages.

$20 says their relationships don't.

[hawaii 5-0]

I've got Gay friends in Oklahoma who got married several years ago in California.

It meant enough to them to go that far to tie the knot/slip the noose.

5-0

[FaninAma]

$20 says that the first study shows gay marriages last longer than straight marriages.
And that disproves my assertion how?

[FaninAma]

Please consider your excellent signature line, and apply it to this discussion.
I have no issue with gay marriage if it is decided by a referendum of the voters. I do have a problem with an unelected judge over ruling the voters' wishes. So I feel my attitude toward gay marriage is very consistent with my signature. You seem to be the one who supports a handful of elitist judges deciding what's best for the country.

So go ahead and re-read my signature and get back to me.

[TAFBSooner]

. . . if it is decided by a referendum of the voters. I do have a problem with an unelected judge over ruling the voters' wishes. So I feel my attitude toward gay marriage is very consistent with my signature.

Unfortunately it took unelected Supreme Court justices to overturn separate but equal in Brown v Board of Education. Same thing for racial marriage equality in Loving v Virginia. SCOTUS in these cases was acting to advance human rights, against the tyranny of the majority.



You seem to be the one who supports a handful of elitist judges deciding what's best for the country.

So go ahead and re-read my signature and get back to me.

I just don't support the majority deciding not just what's best, but what's even allowed, for everybody.

SCOTUS didn't impinge on my right to marry whom I choose, they expanded that right to people who previously lacked it.

[Sooner8th]

I have no issue with gay marriage if it is decided by a referendum of the voters. I do have a problem with an unelected judge over ruling the voters' wishes. So I feel my attitude toward gay marriage is very consistent with my signature. You seem to be the one who supports a handful of elitist judges deciding what's best for the country.

So go ahead and re-read my signature and get back to me.

So one of the three branches of government should not do it's constitutional job and protect the citizens from laws that take away god given constitutional rights? You think that southern states should have been allowed to vote on if African american could vote?

I thought conservatives loved themselves some constitution.

[FaninAma]

Unfortunately it took unelected Supreme Court justices to overturn separate but equal in Brown v Board of Education. Same thing for racial marriage equality in Loving v Virginia. SCOTUS in these cases was acting to advance human rights, against the tyranny of the majority.




I just don't support the majority deciding not just what's best, but what's even allowed, for everybody.

SCOTUS didn't impinge on my right to marry whom I choose, they expanded that right to people who previously lacked it.
Because we know the voters of this country would have never, ever, never done the same thing. And I just know the black community loves it when you progressives try to draw comparisons between civil rights based on race and gay marriage.

[FaninAma]

So one of the three branches of government should not do it's constitutional job and protect the citizens from laws that take away god given constitutional rights? You think that southern states should have been allowed to vote on if African american could vote?

I thought conservatives loved themselves some constitution.
Holy ****! You mean we have been living with a wrong, unconstitutional definition if marriage for 238 years until the current crop if genius activist judges enlightened all of us? I wonder what else we have been ****ing up for over 2 centuries. I'm sure you arrogant, elitist *******s will let us know.

[Sooner8th]

Holy ****! You mean we have been living with a wrong, unconstitutional definition if marriage for 238 years until the current crop if genius activist judges enlightened all of us? I wonder what else we have been ****ing up for over 2 centuries. I'm sure you arrogant, elitist *******s will let us know.

**** off you ignorant inbred dumbass hillbilly. Show me where in the constitution it says between a man and a woman. Does the 14th amendment mean anything to you?

Where Jim Crow laws unconstitutional? We lived with them for almost a hundred years.

current crop if genius activist judges - you mean all of them? The conservative packed supreme court passed on hearing the case.

[rock on sooner]

Jeez how many days has it been since this stuff?:chargrined:
Truly makes my head hurt...what was it Rodney King said?

[Sooner8th]

Jeez how many days has it been since this stuff?:chargrined:
Truly makes my head hurt...what was it Rodney King said?

Just returning fire.

[FaninAma]

Sooner8th, thanks for not letting me down. I rang the bell and you responded like the little Pavlovian b*tch you are.

BTW, my signature is directed specifically at elitist pr*cks like you and your ilk. I don't pretend to be the smartest son-of-a-bitch to stride the face of the earth. That's why I am willing to let my fellow citizens use their own life experiences in exercising their God-given right of self-determination to decide on moral issues......even if they don't agree with me.

Elitism justifies and encourages authoritarian government since elitists feel we dumbass hillbillies have to be saved from ourselves by a strong, oppressive government manned by "enlightened" individuals like yourselves. (Enlightened means they have the same opinions as you do.) And if you can't accomplish your goals through the democratic process you"ll do an end run through activist judges and an over-reaching executive branch.

BTW, the Constitution does not discuss marriage at all or dilineate it as a right.....until activist, elitist judges decided to trample the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

How long until federal judges rule polygamy, incest and prostitution as rights? As long as it is consenting adults....right?

Oh, here's the part where you accuse me of supporting slavery and being a racist and bigot.

[Sooner8th]

Sooner8th, thanks for not letting me down. I rang the bell and you acted like the little Pavlovian b*tch you are.

BTW, my signature is directed specifically at elitist pr*cks like you and your ilk. I don't pretend to be the smartes sonof a bitch to stride the face of the earth. That's why I am willing to let my fellow citizens use their own God-given right of self determination to decide on moral issues......even if they don't agree with me.

Once again you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your easily the dumbest person on this board. You never fail to live down to your stupidity.

IF that is true, you are a sorry pathetic little ignorant prick. What good does it do to attack someone just to illicit a response? You cannot argue the facts so you resort to name calling like some redneck bully grade-schooler. You are just too ****ing stupid to even pretend to be the smartest sob to stride the earth, even with the internet with at your finger tips to look up simple facts.

Our fellow citizens using their own God-given right of self determination to decide moral issues extends only to themselves and should not force their fellow citizens to live by others morality.

[FaninAma]

Why try and elicit a response from you? Because you are a rigid, predictable idelogue and you think you are smarter than everybody else........and because it is so easy to do.

[Sooner8th]

Sooner8th, thanks for not letting me down. I rang the bell and you responded like the little Pavlovian b*tch you are.

BTW, my signature is directed specifically at elitist pr*cks like you and your ilk. I don't pretend to be the smartest son-of-a-bitch to stride the face of the earth. That's why I am willing to let my fellow citizens use their own life experiences in exercising their God-given right of self-determination to decide on moral issues......even if they don't agree with me.

Elitism justifies and encourages authoritarian government since elitists feel we dumbass hillbillies have to be saved from ourselves.

BTW, the Constituion does not discuss marriage at all or dilineate it as a right.....until activist, elitist judges decided to trample the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

How long until federal judges rule polygamy, incest and prostitution a right? As long as it is consenting adults....right?

Oh, here's the part where you accuse me of supporting slavery and being a racist and bigot.

Just had to add some more ignorance and stupidity didn't ya? Elitism and authoritarian government not to mention STATES RIGHTS! huh? Just more ignorant regurgitation of rightwingnut talking points, come up with something original. So now even conservative judges who agree that the 14th amendment of equal protection applies here are activist, elitist judges huh? Just not real smart are ya? Didn't bother thinking that through did ya?

YEP - polygamy, incest and prostitution are going to be legal, you forgot marrying horses and other animals, more ignorant talking points, seriously get something, ANYTHING original. Let's see, who believes in and supports polygamy? MORMONS, and what was the religion of the last republican presidential candidate? Prostitution? DAVID VITTNER and here is a little quote from a prostitute in Denver in 2008.

Too bad Denver didn't land the GOP convention instead, said Carol Leigh, a San Francisco prostitute "over 50" who has traveled to previous Democratic conventions in Los Angeles and Atlanta.

"It would be a lot better for the sex workers if it was the Republican convention," she said. "We get a lot more business. I don't know if they're just frustrated because of the family values agenda," she said.

[Sooner8th]

Why try and elicit a response from you? Because you are a rigid, predictable idelogue and you think you are smarter than everybody else........and because it is so easy to do.

Once again just showing your stupidity. Spell check dude, spell check. idelogue - ideologue dumbass

[Soonerjeepman]

**** off you ignorant inbred dumbass hillbilly. Show me where in the constitution it says between a man and a woman. Does the 14th amendment mean anything to you?

Where Jim Crow laws unconstitutional? We lived with them for almost a hundred years.

current crop if genius activist judges - you mean all of them? The conservative packed supreme court passed on hearing the case.

hey bud, before ya go being the spell check police and calling names, ya might want to proof read your or is it you're post? lol

[FaninAma]

hey bud, before ya go being the spell check police and calling names, ya might want to proof read your or is it you're post? lol
Don't interrupt him. He's on a roll.

[Soonerjeepman]

he just seems to have so much "anger"...reminds me of the dad in "Where Not going to take it" twisted sister......spewing spit all over...the rotc dude in animal house..right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

[yermom]

Because we know the voters of this country would have never, ever, never done the same thing. And I just know the black community loves it when you progressives try to draw comparisons between civil rights based on race and gay marriage.

it doesn't matter if it is the same. they are similar in that the majority at one time was fine with it, now that isn't really the same

can you show me a reason that gays shouldn't be allowed to be married that doesn't involve the bible?

[olevetonahill]

it doesn't matter if it is the same. they are similar in that the majority at one time was fine with it, now that isn't really the same


can you show me a reason that gays shouldn't be allowed to be married that doesn't involve the bible?


Bro can you show me a Reason to Get married in the 1st place?
Either Hetro or Homo?

[yermom]

not really.

i'm not religious, so it's basically just another way the government intrudes in our lives without that

[yermom]

and have you read the Old Testament? better not sell to Jews either.

[TAFBSooner]

Bro can you show me a Reason to Get married in the 1st place?
Either Hetro or Homo?

From that point of view, if you don't like gays, you should want them to be as miserable as hetero married couples.

[Turd_Ferguson]

From that point of view, if you don't like gays, you should want them to be as miserable as hetero married couples.

Are you miserable?

[olevetonahill]

From that point of view, if you don't like gays, you should want them to be as miserable as hetero married couples.

Never said i dont like Gays. Ive just said " That shat aint right"
Read my posts on this again. I dont give a Ratsass where ya stick yer dong. Just dont ever point it at me or ya gonna lose it.

I truely think marriage sucks the big one. Not necessarily in the Ghey way either.

[olevetonahill]

Are you miserable?

hes a Lib and Married! Why must you ask stupid questions? :highly_amused:

[TAFBSooner]

Are you miserable?

I'm married and happy.

Go back and read the part about "from (Vet's) point of view."