Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

[FaninAma]

Let me say I am a supporter of legal immigration if well controlled. Please read this article before you respond.
http://cis.org/node/4573

[Sooner8th]

It uses a A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation. Don't trust it.

[FaninAma]

It uses a A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation. Don't trust it.

Good. Then don't comment again on the thread, troll. That will allow the non-troll posters to have a serious discussion on the article without you side tracking the thread.

[badger]

I'm sorry old farts, but there's just not enough of us younger workers to maintain your social security, medicare, pension, government programs and other expected benefits of 40-50 years of retirement. Since old farts are also used to the good ol' days when everything cost a nickel, we also need to have workers that expect really low pay to produce goods and services on the cheap.

So, you can either give up everything the government and your employers promised you in retirement, or illegally immigrate some immigrants. Your choice ;)

[FaninAma]

I'm sorry old farts, but there's just not enough of us younger workers to maintain your social security, medicare, pension, government programs and other expected benefits of 40-50 years of retirement. Since old farts are also used to the good ol' days when everything cost a nickel, we also need to have workers that expect really low pay to produce goods and services on the cheap.

So, you can either give up everything the government and your employers promised you in retirement, or illegally immigrate some immigrants. Your choice ;)
I accept your premise about an aging population. However, if non-skilled immigrants are truly a net drain on resources and all immigrants lower American workers' wages how does that help the revenue base needed to replenish the Social Security and Medicare trust funds?

[Turd_Ferguson]

I accept your premise about an aging population. However, if non-skilled immigrants are truly a net drain on resources and all immigrants lower American workers' wages how does that help the revenue base needed to replenish the Social Security and Medicare trust funds?

Simple, really. It doesn't.

[FaninAma]

It is very obvious which special interests benefit the most from increasing immigration both legal and illegal. And this special interest group has zero partisan loyalty. They play both sides of the political aisle.

[okie52]

Gov. Jerry Brown: All Mexicans, Legal or Not, 'Welcome in California'
Tuesday, 26 Aug 2014 03:41 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said on Monday that all Mexicans — whether in the United States legally or not — are "welcome in California."

The Democrat made the remark as he introduced Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto in Los Angeles at the Millennium Biltmore Hotel, the Los Angeles Times reports. Brown was surrounded by several hundred Mexican immigrants.

Peña Nieto is on a two-day visit to the Golden State, his first U.S. official visit since becoming president in 2012, after a recent trade mission Brown made to his country. He pledged to make life better for Mexicans living on both sides of the border.

"This is the other Mexico," Peña Nieto said of the United States, which is home to an estimated 11 million Mexican immigrants. He was scheduled to address the California Legislature in Sacramento on Tuesday.

Mexico is California's largest trading partner, receiving more than $3.9 billion in exports last year, the Times reports.

Peña Nieto also "thanked state officials for embracing foreigners, citing measures that extend state benefits to immigrants, and presented scholarships to several immigrant students enrolled at California universities," according to the Times.

Last year, Brown signed the Trust Act, which provides driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. He also expanded financial aid with the California DREAM Act that he signed in 2011.

Brown also pledged in his speech to "find ways to shorten long waits at the Tijuana-San Diego international border crossing," to solve the border crisis.

"If we can put a man on the moon, we can put a man from Mexico to California in 20 minutes," the governor said to laughter and applause.

In 2012, 28 percent of California's residents were born outside the U.S., according to The New York Times, with Hispanics comprising "19.2 percent of California voters" in 2010.

Further, nearly 40 percent of the Golden State's population is Hispanic, according to the Pew Research Center, making California "only the second state, behind New Mexico, where whites are not the majority and Latinos are the plurality."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://wwww.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/jerry-brown-california-mexicans-welcome/2014/08/26/id/591034/#ixzz3BbjlmImB


Groveling at its finest and ramping up benefits to illegals....what a plan.

[okie52]

There's more on the way Jerry!!!


Pew Survey: 34 Percent of Mexicans Would Come to US
Wednesday, 27 Aug 2014 07:03 AM

Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto's agenda of economic reform is unpopular with six out of 10 citizens, Pew Research said. The news comes as Peña Nieto wraps up a two-day visit to the United States, having declared America to be "the other Mexico," according to the Los Angeles Times.

Thirty-four percent of Mexicans would come to the United States if they could – 17 percent would come whether legally or not, according to Pew. Almost one-third of Mexicans have friends or relatives in the United States with whom they are in regular contact. This figure is down 10 points since 2007.

Fewer Mexicans believe a better life awaits them in the U.S.— 51 percent in 2007 as opposed to 44 percent in the current survey — though 51 percent of those 18 to 29 look toward the United States as a land of opportunity, Pew reported.

The survey also found that 67 percent of the population polled is dissatisfied with the direction of their country. Of the problems plaguing Mexico, crime tops the list with 79 percent saying it is a "very big problem." Political corruption (72 percent), drug cartel violence (72 percent), corrupt police (63 percent), and healthcare (54 percent) also worry large numbers of Mexicans, Pew reported.

While 57 percent think the national government is an influence for good, Peña Nieto's own "unfavorable" rating stands at 51 percent. Reversing decades of policy, he has allowed foreign investment in the country's oil and gas industry – a move many see as undermining national pride, Pew reported.

In welcoming the Mexican president, Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown told a Hispanic audience that they were all welcome in California regardless of their legal status. Latinos comprise 19.2 percent of the state's voters, the Times reported.

Meanwhile, Breitbart News said 33.7 million people of Mexican ancestry lived in the United States in 2012 including 11.4 million who were born in Mexico. Mexicans accounted for 64 percent of the U.S. Hispanic population in 2012 and approximately 28 percent of all foreign-born residents.

The Pew poll was conducted between April 21 and May 2, 2014 and has a margin of 4 percentage points.


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://wwww.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/Pew-Mexico-poll-immigration/2014/08/27/id/591119/#ixzz3BbvyusJu

[FaninAma]

Okie52, do you have a problem with us becoming more like Mexico or Central/South America?

[okie52]

Okie52, do you have a problem with us becoming more like Mexico or Central/South America?

I can't imagine any finer countries to model the US after....I just don't know why those from south of the border would ever want to leave those paradises.

[FaninAma]

I can't imagine any finer countries to model the US after....I just don't know why those from south of the border would ever want to leave those paradises.
We are headed rapidly in that direction as government policies increase entitlement dependency and expand the growing income/wealth divide between the rich and poor.

[okie52]

With current immigration policy and enforcment...just a matter of time...


Muhammad Is Now Britain's Most Popular Baby Boy Name

Britain's most popular baby boy name offers a revealing look into it's growing Muslim population. More than 8,000 boys born last year were named some variation of Muhammad. The United Kingdom's Office of National Statistics declared Oliver as the top pick of 2013 with 6,949 boys sporting the name. However a closer look at the complete list showed that parents selected several spellings of Muhammad for their sons, making the Muslim prophet's name more popular.

There are 18 variations of Muhammad featured on the 2013 list of baby boy names. The most common variations were Muhammad, with 3,499 namesakes, Mohammed,,with 2,887, and Mohammad, with 1,059.

This revelation is a reflection of the estimated 3 million Muslims now living in Great Britain.

Pakistan, the world's second most populous Muslim country, is the number four country of origin for Britain's non-U.K. born resident population. Additionally nearly 5 percent of the population are followers of Islam, making it the nation's second largest religion after Christianity.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/muhammad-is-now-britains-most-popular-baby-boy-name-125039/

[yermom]

at least the Mexicans are Christian, right?

just think, Jesus could be the most popular baby boy name someday!

[yermom]

but in response to the "study", this number just doesn't pass the smell test:


, "This contribution to the aggregate economy, however, does not measure the net benefit to the native-born population." This is because 97.8 percent of the increase in GDP goes to the immigrants themselves in the form of wages and benefits.2

they don't pay rent, buy gas or food? i'm supposed to believe that all of the people they work for don't make any extra money by hiring cheaper labor?

[FaninAma]

Yermom, who do you think the illegal immigrants are competing with in terms of jobs and government services? Hint: it's not the average upper middle class or rich American.

[yermom]

dey took err jerbs!

at least if they were legal they could pay into the social security ponzi scheme like the rest of us

how much state and federal assistance do they really get? it's not like they can get out of paying sales tax

[okie52]

at least the Mexicans are Christian, right?

just think, Jesus could be the most popular baby boy name someday!

Jesus only rates #6 with Mexicans.

http://www.babycenter.com/0_most-common-baby-names-in-mexico-since-1930_10341179.bc

[okie52]

dey took err jerbs!

at least if they were legal they could pay into the social security ponzi scheme like the rest of us

how much state and federal assistance do they really get? it's not like they can get out of paying sales tax

Glad you recognize the ponzi scheme that is social Security. The illegals do much better for SS as illegals since many pay in with no chance of receiving benefits.

Paying sales tax makes them viable? The top 50% that pay federal and state income taxes will be glad to hear this.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

How can we go wrong with countless new democrat voters!

[badger]

Look, it's inevitable that our Colosseum walls are gonna tumble down like Greece's, the only difference is that ours hosted football instead of lions mauling gladiators. So, why not just enjoy the prosperity of today without worrying about whether Owen Field will host football 2,000 years from now.

[okie52]

I would hate to think my silence (along with others) on this stupidity hastened the collapse of Owen field...nor do I see even short term prosperity emerging from this lunacy.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Kill'm all. Let GOD sort'm out.

[yermom]

Glad you recognize the ponzi scheme that is social Security. The illegals do much better for SS as illegals since many pay in with no chance of receiving benefits.

Paying sales tax makes them viable? The top 50% that pay federal and state income taxes will be glad to hear this.

i'm not even saying they aren't a drain on the economy, i really don't know or care. the issue i have is the outlandish numbers claimed in the article

[okie52]

Obama Defends Immigration Delay: The Politics 'Did Shift Midsummer'
Saturday, 06 Sep 2014 08:00 PM
By Todd Beamon

President Barack Obama on Saturday blamed the border crisis for his delay in taking executive action on immigration reform, saying "the truth of the matter is that the politics did shift midsummer."

"I want to spend some time, even as we're getting all our ducks in a row for the executive action, … to make sure that the public understands why we're doing this, why it's the right thing for the American people, why it's the right thing for the American economy," Obama told Chuck Todd on NBC News' "Meet the Press."

The interview, which marks Todd's debut as host of the venerable news program, will be broadcast on Sunday. Todd, the network's chief White House correspondent, replaced the embattled David Gregory, who was ousted last month.

President Obama said on Saturday that he would delay taking unilateral action on immigration until after the November congressional elections. The decision enraging reform advocates and led Republicans to charge that Obama was acting merely to protect the Democrats from losing the Senate.

More than 67,000 illegal immigrant minors have been apprehended at the U.S. Border since Oct. 1, with the administration estimating that as many as 90,000 could be taken into custody by the end of the month.

Obama has termed the situation "a humanitarian crisis," while Republicans have attacked the White House for creating the situation with its lax enforcement of immigration policy.

The president made the decision to delay taking action as he returned Friday to Washington from a NATO summit in Wales, according to two White House officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. He called a few allies from Air Force One to inform them of his decision, the officials said, and then called others from the White House on Saturday.

In his NBC interview, Obama denied that he delayed executive action to protect vulnerable Democrats seeking re-election this fall. "That's not the reason," he responded when Todd suggested it in a question.

"I have been consistent about why this is important," Obama said. "The country's going to be better off if we have an immigration system that works — that has strong border security, that has streamlined our legal immigration — so the best and the brightest who want to stay here and invest here and create jobs here can do so.

He added that the immigration system would be reformed such that "families can be unified — and that a system where the millions of people who are here, in many cases, for a decade or more — who have American kids, who are neighbors, oftentimes, are our friends — that they have a path to get legal.

Such a system, he added, would have illegals "paying taxes and getting above board, paying a fine, learning English," Obama said.

"The good news is we have bipartisan support for that," the president added, referring to the Gang of Eight comprehensive reform bill pass last year by the Senate. He blamed the stalemate on Republicans in the House of Representatives.

"The House Republicans refuse to do that. And what I said to them was: 'If you do not act on something that's so common sense that you've got labor, business, evangelicals, law enforcement, you've got folks across the board supporting it, then I'm going to look for all the legal authorities I have to act.' "

This all changed, however, with the border crisis, the president said.

"I'm being honest now about the politics of it," Obama began. "This problem with unaccompanied children that we saw a couple weeks ago, where you had, from Central America, a surge of kids who were showing up at the border, got a lot of attention.

"And a lot of Americans started thinking, 'We've got this immigration crisis on our hands,'" Obama said.

He noted that fewer illegals have been arrested at the border in recent months — "it's far lower than it was 10 years ago," he said — and that many of the illegal minors have been placed with sponsors in the U.S.

"But that's not the impression on people's minds," Obama told Todd. "And what I want to do is, when I take executive action, I want to make sure that it's sustainable."

He said that he has received preliminary proposals from Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, "and what I've determined is that I want to make sure we get it right.

"I'm going to act because it's the right thing for the country," President Obama said. "But it's going to be more sustainable and more effective if the public understands what the facts are on immigration, what we've done on unaccompanied children, and why it's necessary."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-defends-immigration-delay/2014/09/06/id/593030/#ixzz3CeLIa7SF


Bipartisan support? That means when less than 1/3 of the pubs in the senate vote for it.

Family reunification? That means 11,000,000 illegals will bring their family members in from south of the border to expand the number to 20,000,000 plus.

Best and Brightest will stay? Are we talking about the same 11,000,000 illegals?

Pay taxes? Like federal and state income taxes? So these same 11,000,000 illegals will be high income producers?

[okie52]

Republicans Gain With Amnesty Claims Forcing Obama's Hand
Sunday, 07 Sep 2014 01:20 PM

Scott Brown says he knows why President Barack Obama delayed plans to ease deportations of undocumented immigrants -- to spare vulnerable Democrats from more of the advertising assaults that catapulted his Senate bid.
Brown, a Republican challenging Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen in New Hampshire, trailed by 12 percentage points among likely voters in a July WMUR poll. Now he’s down by two points, after focusing most of his broadcast ads last month on what he calls Shaheen’s support of “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants.

“Make no mistake: President Obama plans to grant amnesty; it’s just that he will cynically wait until after the election so as not to harm Senate Democrats like Jeanne Shaheen,” Brown said in a statement yesterday.

Other Republican challengers in races the party needs to win to regain control of the Senate in November have adopted the amnesty theme because, they say, it’s working -- particularly in Southern states where it can be tied to worry about the economy. Border and amnesty-themed ads have run in four of the nine closest elections, as well as in Kentucky, according to Kantar Media’s Campaign Media Analysis Group.

“It really galvanizes the Republican base,” said Jennifer Duffy, an analyst at the Cook Political Report, which rates seven of those nine races as tossups.

In Arkansas, advertising on behalf of Representative Tom Cotton accuses Senator Mark Pryor, the Democratic incumbent, of allowing “illegal immigrants to collect Social Security credits” and highlights the “Obama-Pryor amnesty plan.” Cotton has erased earlier deficits and leads Pryor by five percentage points among likely voters, according to an NBC/Marist poll released today.

Republican Buzzword

Terri Lynn Land in Michigan has featured the issue in more than half her ads as polls show her gaining on Democrat Gary Peters.

Obama in June pledged to issue executive orders that might protect millions of people from deportation, because Congress wouldn’t act to change immigration laws.

On Sept. 5, flying back to the U.S. from a NATO summit, he decided to delay action until after the elections. The White House, in a statement yesterday, blamed “Republicans’ extreme politicization of this issue.”

Citizenship Path

Obama’s change, which infuriated some of his Latino allies, came after some of the most endangered Democrats -- Shaheen and Senators Mark Begich of Alaska and Kay Hagan of North Carolina - - asked him to hold off. They cited the issue as one for Congress to address or the need to first secure the border with Mexico.

Obama defended his decision in an interview today on NBC’s “Meet the Press” and said it wasn’t made to protect Democrats’ control of the Senate. He said a surge of unaccompanied Central American children crossing into the U.S. in July and August affected his calculations.

Amnesty was the buzzword that Republican opponents used to scuttle an immigration plan in 2007. That resonated with many party voters who said it rewards people who broke the law. Last year, Republicans avoided using the term to boost support from Hispanics, the fastest-growing voter bloc, in 2016. About 73 percent of Hispanic voters favored Obama in the 2012 election.

Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, need a net gain of six seats to gain control of the Senate. They’re favored to pick up three open seats now held by Democrats -- in West Virginia, South Dakota and Montana, according to Cook. The next most vulnerable Democrats are incumbents in Louisiana, Arkansas and North Carolina.

Third Rail

The Democratic-run Senate last year passed a bill creating a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. The legislation, S. 744, has stalled in the House. Some Republicans equate the votes of Senate Democrats, along with 14 Republicans who backed the bill, with support for amnesty.

The bill also contained more than $1 billion in border- enforcement funding and would have helped more high- and low- skilled immigrants work in the U.S.

The word amnesty has resonated even as Democrats reject its use, saying the plan they favor would require undocumented immigrants to wait 10 years and pay a fine before earning permanent-resident status in the U.S.

The message joins “two third-rail issues,” Duffy said, referring to Social Security and immigration. While immigration probably won’t be voters’ top concern, it can be potent enough to tip close races, she said.

Tough Ads

The Republican focus on immigration also captures a shift in U.S. public opinion after the flurry of headlines about children from Central America massing at the U.S.-Mexico border.

One-third of Americans say stricter border controls should be the priority for U.S. policy, up from 25 percent who held that view in February 2013, according to a Pew Research Center survey released last week. Just 23 percent gave greater importance to offering a path to citizenship.

Ed Goeas, a Republican pollster, conducted a bipartisan survey for George Washington University showing that Americans now think Republicans would do a better job than Democrats in handling immigration, a historical shift.

The political focus on immigration has been the greatest in New Hampshire, a state where Hispanics make up little more than 3 percent of the population. Border security was the topic of 69 percent of all ads in August, according to CMAG.

The only competitive state with a significant percentage of Hispanics in the electorate -- 14 percent -- is Colorado.

Jim Merrill, a Republican strategist who ran 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s campaign in the state, said the issue resonates with libertarian-minded voters who distrust Washington and big government.

American Jobs

“The Brown rise in the last four to six weeks coincides at least in part with the really tough immigration ads he’s run,” said Merrill, who isn’t affiliated with the campaign. New Hampshire voters “look at immigration through the lens of a federal government that’s out of control and failing,” he said.

In the most frequently run ad Brown, a former senator from Massachusetts, says, “Want to know why there’s lawlessness on our border? Ask Senator Shaheen. She voted against border security twice and for amnesty.”

Brown’s amnesty charge refers to Shaheen’s support for the DREAM Act, which would allow certain minors who were illegally brought to the U.S. to stay.

‘Awful’ Later

In Michigan, where the border issue accounted for 55 percent of the top Republican-sponsored ads, one spot accuses Peters of supporting “amnesty for illegal immigrants who take American jobs,” according to CMAG.

Three polls conducted by Republican research groups in August have Peters leading Land by one or two points. The six- point lead he is maintaining in a poll by EPIC-MRA of Lansing is down from nine points in July.

The potency of the issue is demonstrated by former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s defeat by Tea Party favorite Dave Brat in the Virginia primary race in June, after polls showed Cantor far ahead.

While Cantor’s loss has been attributed to issues such as a lack of constituent service, Brat hammered the incumbent in the final weeks of the campaign for backing amnesty, which Cantor denied.

Cantor -- whose defeat signaled the end of attempts by the House at comprehensive immigration legislation -- didn’t support the Senate bill creating a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants, though he did say he was interested in piecemeal immigration legislation.

Both Worried

Obama, by trying to protect incumbents such as Hagan and Pryor, hurt the election chances of Colorado Democratic Senator Mark Udall and Florida gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist while jeopardizing Hispanic support for Democrats later, said Gary Segura, co-founder of Latino Decisions, a polling and research firm in Renton, Washington.

“They’ve looked at polling in four or five states where there aren’t large Latino constituencies and said, ‘that’s the way forward,’ without thinking of the impact that that policy might have in Illinois, in California, in Florida,” U.S. Representative Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat, said on ABC’s “This Week” program today.

The increasing focus among Republicans on what they call amnesty also has some of their party members fretting about the impact of that message beyond the midterm elections, as the Hispanic and Asian share of the electorate grows.

“I’m worried,” said Fergus Cullen, a former chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party. “I can see that it may be good short-term politics. I am certain it’s awful long-term politics. Speaking as a middle-aged white man, our party cannot win elections if it’s only trying to win the votes of middle- aged white men.”

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/republicans-gain-amnesty-obama/2014/09/07/id/593070/#ixzz3CeV1y5DU
.

Nah, Obama is delaying amnesty so the American public will "understand" it better after November.

60,000 unaccompanied kids on the border scares Americans but 11,000,000 illegals already in the country wasn't a big issue...go figure.

[SCOUT]

.

Nah, Obama is delaying amnesty so the American public will "understand" it better after November.

60,000 unaccompanied kids on the border scares Americans but 11,000,000 illegals already in the country wasn't a big issue...go figure.

The end justifies the means. It is the motto of this entire administration.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The end justifies the means. It is the motto of this entire administration.All's fair in love and war, including illegal actions. The Transformation is indeed a war. One with the American people. The troops are in place, and Der Schlickmeister showed them how to operate.