ESPN Dallas on Mixon and DGB

[Curly Bill]

ESPN Dallas now commenting on the incredible hypocrisy of OU booting Mixon, while actively campaigning to get DGB eligible this season.

I don't agree with them, that booting Mixon was the right thing to do, but it's hard to see much difference in the two cases.

...beyond the fact DGB has proven to be a stud at the college level.

Good job OU - NOW you are looking like a**es!!

[Curly Bill]

...and yes indeed, they have pointed out that DGB sure could be a big piece in OU trying to win it all this year.

[Curly Bill]

...and maybe now that they look like ginormous hypocrites we'll get that national media flak some people have only imagined to this point.

[8timechamps]

I hadn't thought too much about it, but there's a chance OU could get more attention (negative) because of this decision. "How can you fight to get DGB eligible, and kick Mixon off of the team?"

[Snrinhouston]

I think there is a defensible distinction. DGB has been punished. He was kicked off the Mizzou team and had to endure the embarrassment and notoriety that came with that. Now he's getting his second chance at OU.

Mixon is going through the punishment stage.

[Curly Bill]

I hadn't thought too much about it, but there's a chance OU could get more attention (negative) because of this decision. "How can you fight to get DGB eligible, and kick Mixon off of the team?"

I think this may be exactly where we're headed. That's what the boys at ESPN Dallas were hammering on - and they're not especially anti-OU guys either.

[8timechamps]

I think there is a defensible distinction. DGB has been punished. He was kicked off the Mizzou team and had to endure the embarrassment and notoriety that came with that. Now he's getting his second chance at OU.

Mixon is going through the punishment stage.

If you take the time to really review both situations, you're correct. The national media won't do that though.

[Curly Bill]

If you take the time to really review both situations, you're correct. The national media won't do that though.

Can I somewhat agree in principle, while still thinking OU looks really really hypocritical?

[Snrinhouston]

If you take the time to really review both situations, you're correct. The national media won't do that though.

Yep, I think you are right. And OU already has one potential land mine in wait. I could see us going undefeated and getting left out of the playoffs, because of not playing a Conference Championship Game. So, we certainly don't need another land mine.

[Snrinhouston]

Can I somewhat agree in principle, while still thinking OU looks really really hypocritical?

I think you may be right. What is true in principle doesn't always play well, because superficially it just has a bad look/smell.

[BoulderSooner79]

I think there is a defensible distinction. DGB has been punished. He was kicked off the Mizzou team and had to endure the embarrassment and notoriety that came with that. Now he's getting his second chance at OU.

Mixon is going through the punishment stage.

If DGB sits, you may have a point. But if his waiver is granted? Leaving Mizzou to play at OU with no lost playing time is punishment? (Okay, I'll take off the crimson shades now).

[Snrinhouston]

If DGB sits, you may have a point. But if his waiver is granted? Leaving Mizzou to play at OU with no lost playing time is punishment? (Okay, I'll take off the crimson shades now).

You're right. While getting booted of Mizzou certainly must be embarrassing, there is a lot less sting if he gets to play this year.

[Curly Bill]

If DGB sits, you may have a point. But if his waiver is granted? Leaving Mizzou to play at OU with no lost playing time is punishment? (Okay, I'll take off the crimson shades now).

I'm with you. I'm sure it was traumatic leaving mizzu, but ultimately he upgraded.

[BoulderSooner79]

I'm with you. I'm sure it was traumatic leaving mizzu, but ultimately he upgraded.

The coaching upgrade alone will net him a few mil at draft time. It will help ease the trauma a wee bit.

:sorrow::highly_amused:

[Curly Bill]

So....the question is: Why doesn't Mixon do the same thing that DGB did?

Why not leave and go to USC, UCLA, Cal, or how about this - Oregon?

Could he not make the same claims about not being able to play like DGB and appeal for immediate eligibility?

...and I do realize with the season upon us he's very much short of time.

[Snrinhouston]

So....the question is: Why doesn't Mixon do the same thing that DGB did?

Why not leave and go to USC, UCLA, Cal, or how about this - Oregon?

Could he not make the same claims about not being able to play like DGB and appeal for immediate eligibility?


...and I do realize with the season upon us he's very much short of time.

Good question. But I think you probably hit upon the answer regarding "the short of time" issue. That kind of turnaround REALLY would have quite a stench, that I don't think SC, Oregon, etc., would want to deal with…given that there are more 5 star recruits in next year's class.

[Curly Bill]

I'm certainly not inside the young mans head, but the only thing that would keep me at OU at this point is the fact the season is upon us and there's no time to really even try to figure something else out.

That being said: I still think I'd tell the OU hierarchy to kiss my a** and head back west.


...and in staying with the idea of the thread: That might drag OU through the mud just a little bit more.

[BoulderSooner79]

I'm certainly not inside the young mans head, but the only thing that would keep me at OU at this point is the fact the season is upon us and there's no time to really even try to figure something else out.

That being said: I still think I'd tell the OU hierarchy to kiss my a** and head back west.


...and in staying with the idea of the thread: That might drag OU through the mud just a little bit more.

All reports are that he was popular with teammates; that could be the thing that keeps him at OU. He would be run through the ringer by other programs in order for them to feel they completely understand what happened in Norman. And other programs have their PR to worry about too (I'm talking top programs like USC, UCLA). At least he knows where he stands here.

[manateepower]

For once, I agree with ESPN. Not that it takes a legendary genius to spot the inconsistency. If I were Mixon, I would tell the Oklahoma Politician Jerkoffs to go **** themselves, and go back to California.

[BoulderSooner79]

For once, I agree with ESPN. Not that it takes a legendary genius to spot the inconsistency. If I were Mixon, I would tell the Oklahoma Politician Jerkoffs to go **** themselves, and go back to California.

Add I hope Mixon is smarter than that. Being vindictive will buy him nothing positive and could well bite him in the arse.

[Curly Bill]

All reports are that he was popular with teammates; that could be the thing that keeps him at OU. He would be run through the ringer by other programs in order for them to feel they completely understand what happened in Norman. And other programs have their PR to worry about too (I'm talking top programs like USC, UCLA). At least he knows where he stands here.

Yes he does! He surely, surely does. And for that reason I still say he's a dumb a** if the Oklahoma sun rises on Joe Mixon one week from today!

[Curly Bill]

Add I hope Mixon is smarter than that. Being vindictive will buy him nothing positive and could well bite him in the arse.

What else is going to happen to him?

[BoulderSooner79]

What else is going to happen to him?

Assuming he's NFL worthy, he could end up being coached by a current Sooner coach or be teammates with a loyal Sooner player that might not like him trashing OU. My industry is much larger than the NFL and I've seen several employee burn a bridge at one company out of anger and then regret it because a manager moves to their next company. If Mixon decides to leave, he should say all the right things about taking responsibility for his own actions and just moving on for a fresh start. Then just leave and never mention OU again.

[Curly Bill]

Assuming he's NFL worthy, he could end up being coached by a current Sooner coach or be teammates with a loyal Sooner player that might not like him trashing OU. My industry is much larger than the NFL and I've seen several employee burn a bridge at one company out of anger and then regret it because a manager moves to their next company. If Mixon decides to leave, he should say all the right things about taking responsibility for his own actions and just moving on for a fresh start. Then just leave and never mention OU again.

LOL...because there are a ton of ex Sooners coaching in the NFL, and maybe I'm crazy but I'd guess should he become teammates with any ex Sooners in the NFL what he might have said about OU years previous (after being thrown under the jail by the university) is not gonna make much hay stacked up against trying to make an NFL team, earn millions of dollars, etc...

Though I may not have agreed with all of them, you've made some valid points on some of this stuff, but you really reached on this one.

[manateepower]

Add I hope Mixon is smarter than that. Being vindictive will buy him nothing positive and could well bite him in the arse.

It is not about being vindictive, it's about choosing not to work for someone who gave you a one year suspension on disturbing the peace charges. Why would you want to be in a place where those above you do not act like grownups?

[BoulderSooner79]

It is not about being vindictive, it's about choosing not to work for someone who gave you a one year suspension on disturbing the peace charges. Why would you want to be in a place where those above you do not act like grownups?

I'm not talking about leaving. I'm referencing the "screw you" part - publicly or privately. If he decides it's best to leave, take the high road and don't burn any bridges. It's immature and will be perceived as such. It's something you think the next day, but don't really do once you calm down and regain composure. He doesn't need any questions about his maturity right now.

[manateepower]

I'm not talking about leaving. I'm referencing the "screw you" part - publicly or privately.

I wasn't being literal when I said that. lol. But I do agree with you.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Originally Posted by Curly Bill
I'm with you. I'm sure it was traumatic leaving mizzu, but ultimately he upgraded.
The coaching upgrade alone will net him a few mil at draft time. It will help ease the trauma a wee bit.

:sorrow::highly_amused:I'm thinking DGB is likely gone, now. The Media, and our rivals, will get their wishes regarding phking up OU.

[ouwasp]

Wouldn't surprise me about DGB at all. And those jackhole sportswriters will have reams of "what might have been" stories for yrs to come...

[BoulderSooner79]

I'm thinking DGB is likely gone, now. The Media, and our rivals, will get their wishes regarding phking up OU.

Er? You see DGB leaving because of Mixon? I could see him leaving w/o ever playing if he doesn't get a waiver, but he'll stick around for the season. And I don't think the Mixon thing plays into that at all.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Er? You see DGB leaving because of Mixon? I could see him leaving w/o ever playing if he doesn't get a waiver, but he'll stick around for the season. And I don't think the Mixon thing plays into that at all.I can see him not getting the waiver. The NCAA prolly wouldn't want to be devoured by the Media, for treating another player (one who is also accused of physically harming a woman)more leniently than was Mixon.

[BoulderSooner79]

I can see him not getting the waiver. The NCAA prolly wouldn't want to be devoured by the Media, for treating another player (one who is also accused of physically harming a woman)more leniently than was Mixon.

I don't see why the NCAA would even look at that - it's whether he qualifies for a waiver under the run-off rule or not. He was not charged with anything in Columbia. I'm not predicting whether he gets the waiver or not as that's been up in the air since day 1 he announced the transfer. But I've always assumed there was a good chance he stays one season regardless. He may have a verbal deal to stay for at least 1 playing year as has been rumored, but I'm sure the NFL would tempt him to change his mind.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I don't see why the NCAA would even look at that - it's whether he qualifies for a waiver under the run-off rule or not. He was not charged with anything in Columbia. I'm not predicting whether he gets the waiver or not as that's been up in the air since day 1 he announced the transfer. But I've always assumed there was a good chance he stays one season regardless. He may have a verbal deal to stay for at least 1 playing year as has been rumored, but I'm sure the NFL would tempt him to change his mind.If he doesn't get to play this year, they are saying he could be a first rounder in the NFL draft in 2015. Would he stay at OUthis year just to practice? I would guess no. (who will pay for his school this fall if he can't play football?)

[achiro]

So Mixon suspended for CHARGES. I wonder this, if the video comes out and shows her hitting him first, will it effect recruiting? I can see a kid looking at that and thinking, "the school threw him under the bus for defending himself"
This off season has not been good for OU. Lots of really weird decisions being made by the admin.

[BoulderSooner79]

If he doesn't get to play this year, they are saying he could be a first rounder in the NFL draft in 2015. Would he stay at OUthis year just to practice? I would guess no. (who will pay for his school this fall if he can't play football?)

Absolutely he would stay around to practice. The coaching and training is worth literally millions in his case and I'm not sure he would have to pay. The question is would he stick around another year after that to repay the coaches? That has been rumored as a gentleman's agreement.

[BoulderSooner79]

So Mixon suspended for CHARGES. I wonder this, if the video comes out and shows her hitting him first, will it effect recruiting? I can see a kid looking at that and thinking, "the school threw him under the bus for defending himself"
This off season has not been good for OU. Lots of really weird decisions being made by the admin.

What do you mean "if" - all parties agree she slapped him first. But "defending himself" is a giant pile of BS for lawyers to shovel in court. If he in anyway felt threatened for his life or limb, he should be charged with being a wuss in the first degree. If I were Stoops and Mixon claimed self defense in a man to man talk with me, I'd slap him again. He was retaliating out of anger and he was certainly provoked. It could well end up being ruled justified in court too, but it wasn't self defense.

[KantoSooner]

Boulder, 'self defense' is a catch all. You are not required to estimate your chance for harm, you're just required to have experienced physical contact or immediate apprehension thereof. Depending on circumstances, an index finger poke in the chest is enough. Hell, under the Fighting Words Doctrine, if you can get enough jurors to agree that they'd lose it, too, words alone can sometimes be sufficient.

[BoulderSooner79]

Boulder, 'self defense' is a catch all. You are not required to estimate your chance for harm, you're just required to have experienced physical contact or immediate apprehension thereof. Depending on circumstances, an index finger poke in the chest is enough. Hell, under the Fighting Words Doctrine, if you can get enough jurors to agree that they'd lose it, too, words alone can sometimes be sufficient.

Yes, I know the legal definition. I'm talking about the reality of the situation - how Stoops might view the situation, not how a jury *must* view it. Unless that chick had a tire iron in her hand, I don't believe for a second Mixon felt threatened. Someone at OU obviously feels the same way, or he wouldn't be suspended due to an unproven charge.

[KantoSooner]

And that's what this has become, Boulder: Stoops and OU are taking over a parental function for whatever reason. Some people think that's a good thing; others think it's an overreach.

[manateepower]

And that's what this has become, Boulder: Stoops and OU are taking over a parental function for whatever reason. Some people think that's a good thing; others think it's an overreach.

An overreach is an understatement. This is a blatant abuse of power.

[BoulderSooner79]

And that's what this has become, Boulder: Stoops and OU are taking over a parental function for whatever reason. Some people think that's a good thing; others think it's an overreach.

Stoops has always taken over (at least some) parental functions once a player signs on and that's why he has been successful. If Switzer was rejuvenated to be a young man again, he would fail as a coach in today's game because he couldn't do that. So the question is more was he a bad parent in this situation.

[Boomer.....]

Monday afternoon, Oklahoma announced that president David Boren accepted Stoops and AD Joe Castiglione's recommendation that Mixon be suspended for the year, which means he's banned from all team activities (i.e. practice) and deleted from the roster.

It was a strong stance and the right one, but in the wake of the university's handling of the Dorial Green-Beckham situation, guess what? It reeks of hypocrisy. Surprise! (http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/story/dgb-entrance-already-producing-unforeseen-fallout-081914)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Monday afternoon, Oklahoma announced that president David Boren accepted Stoops and AD Joe Castiglione's recommendation that Mixon be suspended for the year, which means he's banned from all team activities (i.e. practice) and deleted from the roster.

It was a strong stance and the right one, but in the wake of the university's handling of the Dorial Green-Beckham situation, guess what? It reeks of hypocrisy. Surprise! (http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/story/dgb-entrance-already-producing-unforeseen-fallout-081914) I predict neither DGB nor Mayfield will play this year. PC rules the day. We won't see Shannon nor DGB in Sooner unis, playing in games, that is. Maybe Mixon will stick, and play in the future, as will Mayfield.

[Curly Bill]

I predict neither DGB nor Mayfield will play this year. PC rules the day. We won't see Shannon nor DGB in Sooner unis, playing in games, that is. Maybe Mixon will stick, and play in the future, as will Mayfield.

I'm wagering of those names you mentioned Mayfield is the only one we ever see in a Sooner uniform.