billionaires club behind climate change, etc..

[Soonerjeepman]

What I find interesting is on 60 minutes last week or the week before, they had a special. Bufffet, Gates, etc...had about 11 Billionaires on the program. Buffet has started a club where if you join you have to agree to give at least 50% of your gross *wealth not (edit) health to charities. Course these charities can be chosen. Most seemed like good ideas, but again, some can be dangerous...such as this below. The danger is a select few and THEIR views can change policy.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/30/republican-report-alleges-billionaires-club-funding-environmental-causes/?intcmp=latestnews

An “elite” group of liberal “millionaires and billionaires” is pumping money into an elaborate network of environmental groups to influence EPA policies, even using “shady” donations from a foreign company to fund their efforts, according to a lengthy report by Senate Republicans.

[Sooner8th]

What I find interesting is on 60 minutes last week or the week before, they had a special. Bufffet, Gates, etc...had about 11 Billionaires on the program. Buffet has started a club where if you join you have to agree to give at least 50% of your gross health to charities. Course these charities can be chosen. Most seemed like good ideas, but again, some can be dangerous...such as this below. The danger is a select few and THEIR views can change policy.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/30/republican-report-alleges-billionaires-club-funding-environmental-causes/?intcmp=latestnews

An “elite” group of liberal “millionaires and billionaires” is pumping money into an elaborate network of environmental groups to influence EPA policies, even using “shady” donations from a foreign company to fund their efforts, according to a lengthy report by Senate Republicans.

fox news, the propaganda arm of the republican party, has let you know about another secret plot by the far left this time it's the far-left environmental machine! Go get your pitchforks and tourchs!!
http://blog.coyoteproductions.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/torchMob.jpg

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

One would think you would tire of, and even be shameful of delivering whoppers with such regularity.

[rock on sooner]

fox news, the propaganda arm of the republican party, has let you know about another secret plot by the far left this time it's the far-left environmental machine! Go get your pitchforks and tourchs!!
http://blog.coyoteproductions.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/torchMob.jpg

Ya know, 8th, Ima left of center but am pragmatic and willing
to listen to those on the right (every once in while they do have
some good thoughts/ideas). Holy Crap, Man, you do more harm
than good with your blathering....nobody listens, even when some
of what you say is right on...you do more harm than good...you make
nothing but fodder to keep the right going...Izzat your plan? If it
is, it's old and not fun anymore....just sayin....

[TAFBSooner]

What I find interesting is on 60 minutes last week or the week before, they had a special. Bufffet, Gates, etc...had about 11 Billionaires on the program. Buffet has started a club where if you join you have to agree to give at least 50% of your gross health to charities. Course these charities can be chosen. Most seemed like good ideas, but again, some can be dangerous...such as this below. The danger is a select few and THEIR views can change policy.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/30/republican-report-alleges-billionaires-club-funding-environmental-causes/?intcmp=latestnews

An “elite” group of liberal “millionaires and billionaires” is pumping money into an elaborate network of environmental groups to influence EPA policies, even using “shady” donations from a foreign company to fund their efforts, according to a lengthy report by Senate Republicans.

I have to give them a bit of credit - they have one line about the oil industry billionaires donating money to deny climate change. But they don't mention names (Koch brothers) or the fact the Kochs have given more to conservative political causes than Gates and Buffet have given to liberal ones.

[Sooner8th]

Ya know, 8th, Ima left of center but am pragmatic and willing
to listen to those on the right (every once in while they do have
some good thoughts/ideas). Holy Crap, Man, you do more harm
than good with your blathering....nobody listens, even when some
of what you say is right on...you do more harm than good...you make
nothing but fodder to keep the right going...Izzat your plan? If it
is, it's old and not fun anymore....just sayin....

Do you ever get tired of their blathering? Their just making **** up? Buying into ANY ignorant rightwing website they run across? And it's not just them, it's their party who puts this kind of crap out. John Kerry sat back and thought, nobody is going to believe this **** from the swiftboats. But they did and he lost and we got stuck with the idiot for another four years and look where it got us. When are you going to stand up and say enough is enough?

It's people on the left like you who allow this **** to go on, I want to take my country back from dumbasses who think cuttin' taxes raise tax revenues and raisin' taxes on "job creators" kills jobs and the economy.

[dwarthog]

Do you ever get tired of their blathering? Their just making **** up? Buying into ANY ignorant rightwing website they run across? And it's not just them, it's their party who puts this kind of crap out. John Kerry sat back and thought, nobody is going to believe this **** from the swiftboats. But they did and he lost and we got stuck with the idiot for another four years and look where it got us. When are you going to stand up and say enough is enough?

It's people on the left like you who allow this **** to go on, I want to take my country back from dumbasses who think cuttin' taxes raise tax revenues and raisin' taxes on "job creators" kills jobs and the economy.

Pot calling the kettle black....

Classic rant...

You keep believing though, The One will deliver you to the promised land soon, real soon....

[Sooner8th]

Pot calling the kettle black....

Classic rant...

You keep believing though, The One will deliver you to the promised land soon, real soon....

We are a HELL of a lot closer than the dumbass you voted for twice. Get over it.

[dwarthog]

We are a HELL of a lot closer than the dumbass you voted for twice. Get over it.

You're a funny dude, delusional, but funny.

[olevetonahill]

Do you ever get tired of their blathering? Their just making **** up? Buying into ANY ignorant rightwing website they run across? And it's not just them, it's their party who puts this kind of crap out. John Kerry sat back and thought, nobody is going to believe this **** from the swiftboats. But they did and he lost and we got stuck with the idiot for another four years and look where it got us. When are you going to stand up and say enough is enough?

It's people on the left like you who allow this **** to go on, I want to take my country back from dumbasses who think cuttin' taxes raise tax revenues and raisin' taxes on "job creators" kills jobs and the economy.

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=141942&d=1378399047

[badger]

You mean wealthy people use their enormous wealth to influence others? Shock! Awe! Shame! Anger! Distrust! Weeping and nashing of teeth! :P

[SoonerorLater]

I want to take my country back from dumbasses who think cuttin' taxes raise tax revenues and raisin' taxes on "job creators" kills jobs and the economy.

So where better to start taking this country back than right here on the SoonerFans Message Board right?

[olevetonahill]

You mean wealthy people use their enormous wealth to influence others? Shock! Awe! Shame! Anger! Distrust! Weeping and nashing of teeth! :P

But Badj, Its only the Repubs and Dems that do this.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You mean wealthy people use their enormous wealth to influence others? Shock! Awe! Shame! Anger! Distrust! Weeping and nashing of teeth! :PIf one is a conservative, OF COURSE IT'S BAD!

[rock on sooner]

Do you ever get tired of their blathering? Their just making **** up? Buying into ANY ignorant rightwing website they run across? And it's not just them, it's their party who puts this kind of crap out. John Kerry sat back and thought, nobody is going to believe this **** from the swiftboats. But they did and he lost and we got stuck with the idiot for another four years and look where it got us. When are you going to stand up and say enough is enough?

It's people on the left like you who allow this **** to go on, I want to take my country back from dumbasses who think cuttin' taxes raise tax revenues and raisin' taxes on "job creators" kills jobs and the economy.

Sure I tire of their blathering...if you look back over my posting
history you'll see that I take them to task. What I don't do is say
"people on the left like you"...got news for ya, dip****, I've been
around since Truman and have listened, learned and VOTED what
I think is right for the country, plus giving $$ to those I think have
the right ideas (and I served, too) Ain't heard one freakin' thing
about your creds, other than a diarrhea mouth! So, here it is, people
on the left like me work within the system, vote, volunteer, donate
and look to see things work like they should. Stuff takes time, a
bunch of knuckleheads, on either side, spouting off just makes for
hot air. So, extreme left idiot, just keep the crap going...you lost
any sympathy from me....(check it out, I've supported the left a lot
and given a lot of good arguments, taken some shots but I'm pretty
sure most here will at least listen to what I say)....

[olevetonahill]

Sure I tire of their blathering...if you look back over my posting
history you'll see that I take them to task. What I don't do is say
"people on the left like you"...got news for ya, dip****, I've been
around since Truman and have listened, learned and VOTED what
I think is right for the country, plus giving $$ to those I think have
the right ideas (and I served, too) Ain't heard one freakin' thing
about your creds, other than a diarrhea mouth! So, here it is, people
on the left like me work within the system, vote, volunteer, donate
and look to see things work like they should. Stuff takes time, a
bunch of knuckleheads, on either side, spouting off just makes for
hot air. So, extreme left idiot, just keep the crap going...you lost
any sympathy from me....(check it out, I've supported the left a lot
and given a lot of good arguments, taken some shots but I'm pretty
sure most here will at least listen to what I say)....

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Your level headiness is what got you your Invite to the Hideout Bro.:panda:

[Sooner8th]

Sure I tire of their blathering...if you look back over my posting
history you'll see that I take them to task. What I don't do is say
"people on the left like you"...got news for ya, dip****, I've been
around since Truman and have listened, learned and VOTED what
I think is right for the country, plus giving $$ to those I think have
the right ideas (and I served, too) Ain't heard one freakin' thing
about your creds, other than a diarrhea mouth! So, here it is, people
on the left like me work within the system, vote, volunteer, donate
and look to see things work like they should. Stuff takes time, a
bunch of knuckleheads, on either side, spouting off just makes for
hot air. So, extreme left idiot, just keep the crap going...you lost
any sympathy from me....(check it out, I've supported the left a lot
and given a lot of good arguments, taken some shots but I'm pretty
sure most here will at least listen to what I say)....

Yep - proved my point for me. You calling me an extreme left idiot tells me everything i need to know about you. What creds do I need from you? You don't know **** about me. giving, volunteering and VOTING for what is right. I'm sick and tired of being called a socialist because i'm a dem. I'm tired of watching these people change their positions at the drop of a dime. They talk about principals and the only principal they have is hating anything from dems. I am not going to let these dumbass, principal-less ignorant conservatives bully me into being quiet.

Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way, some of us are sick of them. Grow a pair.

[Soonerjeepman]

You mean wealthy people use their enormous wealth to influence others? Shock! Awe! Shame! Anger! Distrust! Weeping and nashing of teeth! :P

understand....but 60 minutes promoted this billionaire club as a very positive thing. Which can be on some, but on some issues, such as climate change that has just as many scientist have debunked it, it can be dangerous.

[Soonerjeepman]

Sure I tire of their blathering...if you look back over my posting
history you'll see that I take them to task. What I don't do is say
"people on the left like you"...got news for ya, dip****, I've been
around since Truman and have listened, learned and VOTED what
I think is right for the country, plus giving $$ to those I think have
the right ideas (and I served, too) Ain't heard one freakin' thing
about your creds, other than a diarrhea mouth! So, here it is, people
on the left like me work within the system, vote, volunteer, donate
and look to see things work like they should. Stuff takes time, a
bunch of knuckleheads, on either side, spouting off just makes for
hot air. So, extreme left idiot, just keep the crap going...you lost
any sympathy from me....(check it out, I've supported the left a lot
and given a lot of good arguments, taken some shots but I'm pretty
sure most here will at least listen to what I say)....

yes he does~ lol

[Soonerjeepman]

Yep - proved my point for me. You calling me an extreme left idiot tells me everything i need to know about you. What creds do I need from you? You don't know **** about me. giving, volunteering and VOTING for what is right. I'm sick and tired of being called a socialist because i'm a dem. I'm tired of watching these people change their positions at the drop of a dime. They talk about principals and the only principal they have is hating anything from dems. I am not going to let these dumbass, principal-less ignorant conservatives bully me into being quiet.

Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way, some of us are sick of them. Grow a pair.

dude, every time I read something you post I just imagine you screaming...lol. Man, it's a BB, political in nature...but ya need to relax. I totally disagree with about everything you ever post but I really don't GAS.

FWIW, it really irritates me when Hannah, or any other conservative talk show host interrupts his guest and sometimes gives typical answers. I welcome debate. IF any conservative or pub was doing this $hit....the dems would go crazy, including you I assume.

[Sooner8th]

dude, every time I read something you post I just imagine you screaming...lol. Man, it's a BB, political in nature...but ya need to relax. I totally disagree with about everything you ever post but I really don't GAS.

FWIW, it really irritates me when Hannah, or any other conservative talk show host interrupts his guest and sometimes gives typical answers. I welcome debate. IF any conservative or pub was doing this $hit....the dems would go crazy, including you I assume.

You welcome debate as long as the person you are debating accepts your positions without question. I have shown fact after fact on here, like cp tax cuts do not cause cg tax revenues to go up - but you guys keep coming back to it, just sticking to the rightwing talking point. No data can sway you.

Go on imagining me screaming - the fact is I'm laughing my *** off at the adherence to rightwing positions.

[BermudaSooner]

You welcome debate as long as the person you are debating accepts your positions without question. I have shown fact after fact on here, like cp tax cuts do not cause cg tax revenues to go up - but you guys keep coming back to it, just sticking to the rightwing talking point. No data can sway you.

Go on imagining me screaming - the fact is I'm laughing my *** off at the adherence to rightwing positions.

Hmm...I'll take an economist like Stephen Moore and his opinion on tax cuts and the effects on revenues over yours. But why this has anything to do with the original post, I'm not sure.

Back to the original post, these billionaires can do whatever they want with their money--it is their money. Give it to starving kids, whacko scientists, or their own spoiled children.

[badger]

understand....but 60 minutes promoted this billionaire club as a very positive thing. Which can be on some, but on some issues, such as climate change that has just as many scientist have debunked it, it can be dangerous.

I'm sure the billionaires think they're doing a positive thing. I mean, remember when Boone Pickens promoted that life insurance to benefit OSU plan, he didn't call it "Hurry up and die so OSU can cash in," he called it "The Gift of a Lifetime." Might as well be strumming a heavenly harp while singing that heavenly phrase while a choir of angels goes Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[pphilfran]

You need to look at the entire economic situation when determining acceptable tax rates....

The reason Clinton's tax increases were acceptable was due to a booming economy....all segments benefitted from the technology advances that arrived daily....efficiency improved dramatically...profits soared due to those production improvements...lowered interest rates supplied "cheap" money (vs what they had been paying 5 or 10 years earlier)

Our current situation is far different than what Clinton dealt with....

We don't have quite the technical revolution that we had in the 80's (we do have an energy explosion but we don't seem to want to maximize this gift horse)....we are looking at increased interest rates, not lower....we don't have 5% GDP growth and none is expected....

We need 19% revenue (a little higher if possible)....it is going to take some tax increases to get to that point...

The sad part is that lackluster revenue is only half the problem...spending at 21% of GDP isn't going to cut it...table 1.2 shows projections of 21% spending levels through 2019

[Sooner8th]

Hmm...I'll take an economist like Stephen Moore and his opinion on tax cuts and the effects on revenues over yours. But why this has anything to do with the original post, I'm not sure.

Back to the original post, these billionaires can do whatever they want with their money--it is their money. Give it to starving kids, whacko scientists, or their own spoiled children.


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA TOO FUNNY!!!!

You are going to belive this lying sack of ****?

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article829117.html

Krugman in that article also took a shot at the credibility of Moore. The former Wall Street Journal editorial writer — who earlier this year challenged Krugman to a debate on economic issues — supports the low-tax mantra of Arthur Laffer, an economist who led Brownback and Kansas into the tax-cut wasteland and decimation of state revenues in 2014.

Moore responded to Krugman’s column in early July in The Star, stating “strategic tax-rate reductions can ignite growth and employment.”

However, research shows Moore used outdated and inaccurate job growth information at a key point in his article.

Moore had written that states following “Krugman’s (and President Barack Obama’s) economic strategy are getting clobbered by tax-cutting states.” Moore then added with a bit of snark:

“No-income-tax Texas gained 1 million jobs over the last five years; California, with its 13 percent tax rate, managed to lose jobs. Oops. Florida gained hundreds of thousands of jobs while New York lost jobs. Oops.”

Here are the problems that led to a corrected version of Moore’s column on The Star’s website.

Moore wrote about job creation “over the last five years.” But he later told The Star he had measured from December 2007 to December 2012, using federal Bureau of Labor Statistics information. That decision misled readers. The bureau’s data is updated monthly, so he could have provided more up-to-date figures, not nearly 18-month-old data.

Texas did not gain 1 million jobs in the 2007-2012 period Moore measured. The correct figure was a gain of 497,400 jobs.

Florida did not add hundreds of thousands of jobs in that span. It actually lost 461,500 jobs.

New York, with it very high income tax rates, did not lose jobs during that time. It gained 75,900 jobs.

The problems with Moore’s article damage his credibility. They also don’t help bolster Brownback’s argument that his experimental tax cuts are going to work out just fine for the state’s residents.

True, jobs figures can be cherry-picked by people on both sides of this debate. Since December 2012 — when Moore stopped measuring employment growth — California has added 541,000 jobs, more than Texas’ 523,400. So, high taxes are good?

After the corrections were published online, some national websites picked them up, criticizing Moore for using incorrect data.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article829117.html#storylink=cpy

[rock on sooner]

Yep - proved my point for me. You calling me an extreme left idiot tells me everything i need to know about you. What creds do I need from you? You don't know **** about me. giving, volunteering and VOTING for what is right. I'm sick and tired of being called a socialist because i'm a dem. I'm tired of watching these people change their positions at the drop of a dime. They talk about principals and the only principal they have is hating anything from dems. I am not going to let these dumbass, principal-less ignorant conservatives bully me into being quiet.

Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way, some of us are sick of them. Grow a pair.

This is my one and only response to this, my apology for this sadness,
it lends no decent discourse to the board...left or right...while there is
an opportunity to have a back and forth, clearly that thought process
has escaped him and his response/belief is to scream/shout his ideas/
thoughts...much like the right, whose idea is to shout it loud and often
enough it will become fact..his denigration of ANY who don't march to
his beliefs destroys his creds (get it,dummerassel?..you aint got any and
the board recognizes that) so I won't ask you again for creds, you can't
offer, you don't have..is that clear enough? Aw, save it, you don't have
a decent response! One more thing, I "grew a pair" some time before your
old man had a gleam in his eye...so stick it, sonny..I'm done with you!

[olevetonahill]

This is my one and only response to this, my apology for this sadness,
it lends no decent discourse to the board...left or right...while there is
an opportunity to have a back and forth, clearly that thought process
has escaped him and his response/belief is to scream/shout his ideas/
thoughts...much like the right, whose idea is to shout it loud and often
enough it will become fact..his denigration of ANY who don't march to
his beliefs destroys his creds (get it,dummerassel?..you aint got any and
the board recognizes that) so I won't ask you again for creds, you can't
offer, you don't have..is that clear enough? Aw, save it, you don't have
a decent response! One more thing, I "grew a pair" some time before your
old man had a gleam in his eye...so stick it, sonny..I'm done with you!

Spek if I could Bro.

[Sooner8th]

This is my one and only response to this, my apology for this sadness,
it lends no decent discourse to the board...left or right...while there is
an opportunity to have a back and forth, clearly that thought process
has escaped him and his response/belief is to scream/shout his ideas/
thoughts...much like the right, whose idea is to shout it loud and often
enough it will become fact..his denigration of ANY who don't march to
his beliefs destroys his creds (get it,dummerassel?..you aint got any and
the board recognizes that) so I won't ask you again for creds, you can't
offer, you don't have..is that clear enough? Aw, save it, you don't have
a decent response! One more thing, I "grew a pair" some time before your
old man had a gleam in his eye...so stick it, sonny..I'm done with you!

My credibility comes from being right. Time after time on here these guys post outright lies then fight to the death when they are proved wrong - cg tax rates is a prime example. I came on this board and started to push back on the lies they tell then circle around and agree with each other, then they threw out the first punch, i just returned fire.

and I'm done with dems like you "sonny" afraid of your own shadow and worried about being bullied by the guys. What about the discourse on their side? I didn't throw out the first punch.

[pphilfran]

My credibility comes from being right. Time after time on here these guys post outright lies then fight to the death when they are proved wrong - cg tax rates is a prime example. I came on this board and started to push back on the lies they tell then circle around and agree with each other, then they threw out the first punch, i just returned fire.

and I'm done with dems like you "sonny" afraid of your own shadow and worried about being bullied by the guys. What about the discourse on their side? I didn't throw out the first punch.

I brought up cap gains...show me where I was disrespectful to you.....

You proved absolutely nothing...

The fact of the matter is that cap gain rates were decreased in both Clinton's term and Bush's term...in both cases revenue increased...in Clinton's case the economy was great...Bush's, not so much....

Was the economy the main reason revenue went up? Of course...

And that is my point...you can dick around and cry about tax rates and have little affect on revenue (the long term history of revenue to GDP shows this)..but if you improve the economy you will see revenue increases...

We have far too many allowable deductions....too many legal ways to slide money around to avoid paying taxes....

Obama, with his economic flavor of the week, decides this week to attack corp's that are moving overseas to avoid taxes....no **** Sherlock...

There is no way we can win the labor cost or tax rate battle...so we must look at ways of lowering costs that other countries will have a hard time following suit....

Transportation costs are an example of an area where we are far cheaper...we should attempt to maximize that advantage even further...
Energy costs are another area where we are cheaper...another area where we could further stretch our advantage....our leadership doesn't want to pizz off the minions prior to the midterms so he has postponed, delayed, or just dragged his feet to keep from any debate prior to the elections...in an attempt to further the Democratic party he is blatantly delaying economic benefits that will lower cost to business and each and every citizen...I would say that is being a ****head...

[Soonerjeepman]

I'm sure the billionaires think they're doing a positive thing. I mean, remember when Boone Pickens promoted that life insurance to benefit OSU plan, he didn't call it "Hurry up and die so OSU can cash in," he called it "The Gift of a Lifetime." Might as well be strumming a heavenly harp while singing that heavenly phrase while a choir of angels goes Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


lol...so true, so true...