House Republicans vote for business tax cut with no offset add $287 BILLION to defici

[Sooner8th]

Wouldn't pass extension for long term unemployed or president's request for $3.7 billion to respond to children crossing the border or $11 billion to keep highway projects afloat for less than a year and the roughly $35 billion Senate measure to revamp the veteran's health care system without offsets. Combined, those measures are still less than a fifth of the tax cut bill. But tax cuts for big business that don't create jobs? Don't have to pay for those. Tell me again how republicans are worried about the debt and deficit and how they are not the party of big business.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/politics/gop-business-tax-cut/

[TAFBSooner]

Wouldn't pass extension for long term unemployed or president's request for $3.7 billion to respond to children crossing the border or $11 billion to keep highway projects afloat for less than a year and the roughly $35 billion Senate measure to revamp the veteran's health care system without offsets. Combined, those measures are still less than a fifth of the tax cut bill. But tax cuts for big business that don't create jobs? Don't have to pay for those. Tell me again how republicans are worried about the debt and deficit and how they are not the party of big business.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/politics/gop-business-tax-cut/

They (conservatives on this board) never said the R's aren't the party of big business. If they will admit to big business being a problem, which some do, they point out that most Dems are in the pockets (the left side pockets, I suppose) of big business as well (which they are). Still haven't seen any perp walks by Wall Street banksters, have you?

[Sooner8th]

They (conservatives on this board) never said the R's aren't the party of big business. If they will admit to big business being a problem, which some do, they point out that most Dems are in the pockets (the left side pockets, I suppose) of big business as well (which they are). Still haven't seen any perp walks by Wall Street banksters, have you?

There are some on here who say pubs aren't. WS spreads it around too much, a function pacs and super pacs. We shouldn't be taking it, but we do try, but always fail to rein them in. I totally agree on the perp walks, they knew those investment instruments were no good - outright fraud. Then they whine about how they are treated.

[olevetonahill]

yea But look what Bush did

There, I saved You from having to say it.

[Sooner8th]

yea But look what Bush did

There, I saved You from having to say it.

There, more stupidity. Go back to raping little boys.

[rock on sooner]

They (conservatives on this board) never said the R's aren't the party of big business. If they will admit to big business being a problem, which some do, they point out that most Dems are in the pockets (the left side pockets, I suppose) of big business as well (which they are). Still haven't seen any perp walks by Wall Street banksters, have you?
Haven't seen any perp walks either, but ALL the big banks are paying
pretty hefty fines for their individual dealings in the '08 meltdown....
Bank of America, Citibank, Wells Fargo all come to mind...in addition
to that UBS and some giant French bank have been nailed with helping
in tax avoidance. Any body know where all those fines go?

[Sooner8th]

Haven't seen any perp walks either, but ALL the big banks are paying
pretty hefty fines for their individual dealings in the '08 meltdown....
Bank of America, Citibank, Wells Fargo all come to mind...in addition
to that UBS and some giant French bank have been nailed with helping
in tax avoidance. Any body know where all those fines go?

b of a getting fines is hurting my retirement.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/11/20/where-does-jpmorgans-13-billion-go/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

[olevetonahill]

There, more stupidity. Go back to raping little boys.

Not Little boys, Yer Granny LOL

[Sooner8th]

Not Little boys, Yer Granny LOL

Been dead 20 years, necrophilia huh? go back to raping little boys now and let the adults talk.

loser

[olevetonahill]

Been dead 20 years, necrophilia huh? go back to raping little boys now and let the adults talk.

loser

Call me anythin ya want weirdo, But I fer sure aint a Catholic Priest!

[Curly Bill]

Been dead 20 years, necrophilia huh? go back to raping little boys now and let the adults talk.

loser

Let the adults talk...loser....

Someone is very insecure - what did some old nasty adult do to you?

[Sooner8th]

Let the adults talk...loser....

Someone is very insecure - what did some old nasty adult do to you?

Nothing - I'm not catholic.

[Curly Bill]

Nothing - I'm not catholic.

I think you're deflecting. You should probably seek counseling.

[Sooner8th]

I think you're deflecting. You should probably seek counseling.


LOL ME DEFLECTING???? Too funny, not one of you wants to discuss the the republican hypocrisy of not having to pay for tax cuts that don't work.

[Curly Bill]

LOL ME DEFLECTING???? Too funny, not one of you wants to discuss the the republican hypocrisy of not having to pay for tax cuts that don't work.

Right after you explain and justify why liberals are fascinated with taking money from people who earn it, and giving it to people who most assuredly have not earned it.

[Eielson]

Been dead 20 years, necrophilia huh?

If you were trying to turn me off, you better keep trying!

[Sooner8th]

Right after you explain and justify why liberals are fascinated with taking money from people who earn it, and giving it to people who most assuredly have not earned it.

Explain why every tax break you want to give "creates jobs".

Explain and justify why every conservative "job creator" thinks they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

Someone has to pay for the streets, police, military, schools that facilitate the people who make money make it.

[Soonerjeepman]

Nothing - I'm not catholic.

showing your ignorance again:?...and how old are you?...it's really funny reading your responses to Vet. I'm guessing you should be over 55..married 36 yrs I believe you said that in another thread...wife was 50 at some point. Your childish responses to what vet says says a lot more about you than what you type. If you really don't care you shouldn't respond.

Me being Catholic I take offense to your statement...and since you are not Catholic you shouldn't claim know what Catholics do. Like a good lib you give a generalization and blanket statement, fed to you by the main stream lib media. That's what is so fascinating about the mental state of most libs...they claim that all have the right to believe what they want...unless it is conservative.

[yermom]

showing your ignorance again:?...and how old are you?...it's really funny reading your responses to Vet. I'm guessing you should be over 55..married 36 yrs I believe you said that in another thread...wife was 50 at some point. Your childish responses to what vet says says a lot more about you than what you type. If you really don't care you shouldn't respond.

Me being Catholic I take offense to your statement...and since you are not Catholic you shouldn't claim know what Catholics do. Like a good lib you give a generalization and blanket statement, fed to you by the main stream lib media. That's what is so fascinating about the mental state of most libs...they claim that all have the right to believe what they want...unless it is conservative.

yep, the pope is obviously misled by the evil media as well:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/pope-francis-catholic-bishops-child-paedophile-abuse-priest-condemn

where do you think JoePa learned how to do it ;)

[Sooner8th]

showing your ignorance again:?...and how old are you?...it's really funny reading your responses to Vet. I'm guessing you should be over 55..married 36 yrs I believe you said that in another thread...wife was 50 at some point. Your childish responses to what vet says says a lot more about you than what you type. If you really don't care you shouldn't respond.

Me being Catholic I take offense to your statement...and since you are not Catholic you shouldn't claim know what Catholics do. Like a good lib you give a generalization and blanket statement, fed to you by the main stream lib media. That's what is so fascinating about the mental state of most libs...they claim that all have the right to believe what they want...unless it is conservative.

I guess I should have put I'm not a catholic priest, but then I assumed everyone would get the joke. Why should you take offense? I didn't think conservatives liked political correctness. I wouldn't belong to an origination that allowed it's employees to rape little boys.

Of course none of you conservatives are responding to your party wanting to add to the deficit and debt with tax cuts that don't create jobs, you only attack me and drag my family into it.

[yermom]

it's like that tax cut in OK. i'm glad we have so much surplus to pay for everything we need in the state to be able to do that

you know all those bridges and schools across the state in just such great shape

[Sooner8th]

it's like that tax cut in OK. i'm glad we have so much surplus to pay for everything we need in the state to be able to do that

you know all those bridges and schools across the state in just such great shape

It is worse up here in Kansas, taxes for S corps were eliminated, guess who is a S corp, and sales tax rate went up. Now our county is looking at eliminating property taxes and changing it to sales tax. Guess who's idea that is.

[REDREX]

Unless I am reading this wrong the bill was introduced by Rep Jared a Dem from Colorado------- https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4178---------I believe 26 Dems also voted for it

[olevetonahill]

Unless I am reading this wrong the bill was introduced by Rep Jared a Dem from Colorado------- https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4178---------I believe 26 Dems also voted for it

Wait a Minute, Wait just a dayum Minute here. It cant be a Dem who sponsored this It HAS to be a nasty old Repub.
LMFAO at Matlock8, Busted

[Sooner8th]

Unless I am reading this wrong the bill was introduced by Rep Jared a Dem from Colorado------- https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4178---------I believe 26 Dems also voted for it


You see........Jared is a MODERATE DEMOCRAT. I know this concept of foreign to you and yours. DEMOCRATS actually have more than, how was it put on here? authoritarian socialist/fascists in our party. There were several dems who co-sponsored the bill, but it had all of the republican votes - enough to pass it. You won't find website after website calling him a dino and a sell out and how he isn't a true whatever and facing a primary from the left. Our leadership nor are our members are terrified of loud minority group who has taken control of our party and will purge anyone who does not toe the tea party/koch and therefore republican party line.

[Sooner8th]

Wait a Minute, Wait just a dayum Minute here. It cant be a Dem who sponsored this It HAS to be a nasty old Repub.
LMFAO at Matlock8, Busted

see above dumbass

[REDREX]

You see........Jared is a MODERATE DEMOCRAT. I know this concept of foreign to you and yours. DEMOCRATS actually have more than, how was it put on here? authoritarian socialist/fascists in our party. There were several dems who co-sponsored the bill, but it had all of the republican votes - enough to pass it. You won't find website after website calling him a dino and a sell out and how he isn't a true whatever and facing a primary from the left. Our leadership nor are our members are terrified of loud minority group who has taken control of our party and will purge anyone who does not toe the tea party/koch and therefore republican party line.---Maybe you should do a little more research rather than just read a headline. Are all 26 Dems that voted for the bill dinos?

[okie52]

---Maybe you should do a little more research rather than just read a headline. Are all 26 Dems that voted for the bill dinos?

Misguided supply siders...

[olevetonahill]

---Maybe you should do a little more research rather than just read a headline. Are all 26 Dems that voted for the bill dinos?

matlock8 Is Smarter, than any of us. He Knows everything there is know. We should all bow down to his superiority.:panda:

[Sooner8th]

---Maybe you should do a little more research rather than just read a headline. Are all 26 Dems that voted for the bill dinos?


Obviously you cannot read.

AGAIN - WOULD HAVE PASSED WITH ONLY REPUBLICAN VOTES.

[olevetonahill]

Obviously you cannot read.

AGAIN - WOULD HAVE PASSED WITH ONLY REPUBLICAN VOTES.

You tell em Big guy I got your back.

[okie52]

You tell em Big guy I got your back.

heh heh

[REDREX]

Obviously you cannot read.

AGAIN - WOULD HAVE PASSED WITH ONLY REPUBLICAN VOTES.---I can read very well ----The point is you posted something you knew nothing about and now you are trying to think up a way not to look like a fool----you know I was wrong----34 Dems voted for it not 26

[olevetonahill]

heh heh

I Have seen the Light bro, 8th is wise beyond his years. We can all learn so very much from him if we would just sit silently at his feet and Listen.

[okie52]

I Have seen the Light bro, 8th is wise beyond his years. We can all learn so very much from him if we would just sit silently at his feet and Listen.

Dam neighborly of you having his back on this board full of hicks...

[olevetonahill]

Dam neighborly of you having his back on this board full of hicks...

I try to be fair to every one, I have realised I have spoke badly about him and am willing to try to make up for it.

[Sooner8th]

---I can read very well ----The point is you posted something you knew nothing about and now you are trying to think up a way not to look like a fool----you know I was wrong----34 Dems voted for it not 26

still passing with only republican votes, what part about that can you not get?

[REDREX]

still passing with only republican votes, what part about that can you not get?----I get the weak point you are trying to make----it also got 34 Dem votes are they all dinos?----I hope so

[Sooner8th]

----I get the weak point you are trying to make----it also got 34 Dem votes are they all dinos?----I hope so

weak? too funny, what 220 republicans vs. 34 dems is a weak point? more republican math

read above

[REDREX]

You do look like a Fool trying to keep this alive

[Sooner8th]

You do look like a Fool trying to keep this alive

220 to 34 pal republican passed read the title of the thread

[Soonerjeepman]

I guess I should have put I'm not a catholic priest, but then I assumed everyone would get the joke. Why should you take offense? I didn't think conservatives liked political correctness. I wouldn't belong to an origination that allowed it's employees to rape little boys.

Of course none of you conservatives are responding to your party wanting to add to the deficit and debt with tax cuts that don't create jobs, you only attack me and drag my family into it.


ummm, never said anything about your family.

Actually both you and yermon need to look at some facts. Yes there have been some very bad priest that have done some horrible things and they should face the fullest extent of the law. There is also the reality that the % of priest vs the % of other people that do things in professions they shouldn't is lower. Again, the blanket statement that Catholic's abuse little boys is ridiculous. Continue your tirade.

[Soonerjeepman]

220 to 34 pal republican passed read the title of the thread

at least admit some of your boys voted for it as well...so at least some Dems are smart enough to see things~

[Skysooner]

at least admit some of your boys voted for it as well...so at least some Dems are smart enough to see things~

They have ZERO business passing a tax cut unless it proves to be revenue positive. This kind of bs isn't going to win over the middle of the political spectrum. Nor will hearings, impeachment or rhetoric.

[Sooner8th]

at least admit some of your boys voted for it as well...so at least some Dems are smart enough to see things~

220 to 34 pal

can you not read?

[olevetonahill]

220 to 34 pal

can you not read?

Yea Jeep cant you read. Listen to the Man he knows what hes talking about!

[yermom]

[/B]

ummm, never said anything about your family.

Actually both you and yermon need to look at some facts. Yes there have been some very bad priest that have done some horrible things and they should face the fullest extent of the law. There is also the reality that the % of priest vs the % of other people that do things in professions they shouldn't is lower. Again, the blanket statement that Catholic's abuse little boys is ridiculous. Continue your tirade.

just as ridiculous as calling out Penn State. Catholics are the ones that encourage deviant behavior with their rules for priests then covered up abuses institutionally. the cover up is the real scandal.

do you defend Muslims when only a small number of them blow themselves up for 72 virgins?

[sappstuf]

Wouldn't pass extension for long term unemployed or president's request for $3.7 billion to respond to children crossing the border or $11 billion to keep highway projects afloat for less than a year and the roughly $35 billion Senate measure to revamp the veteran's health care system without offsets. Combined, those measures are still less than a fifth of the tax cut bill. But tax cuts for big business that don't create jobs? Don't have to pay for those. Tell me again how republicans are worried about the debt and deficit and how they are not the party of big business.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/politics/gop-business-tax-cut/

The House passed the Veteran Access to Care Act of 2014 back on June 10th with a 426-0 vote....

Try harder.

[Sooner8th]

The House passed the Veteran Access to Care Act of 2014 back on June 10th with a 426-0 vote....

Try harder.

does not seem to be the same bill, but House Republicans are insisting on "offsets," cuts in other programs, to pay for it. Nice try though.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/06/senate_passes_va_health_care_b.html

[Soonerjeepman]

just as ridiculous as calling out Penn State. Catholics are the ones that encourage deviant behavior with their rules for priests then covered up abuses institutionally. the cover up is the real scandal.

do you defend Muslims when only a small number of them blow themselves up for 72 virgins?

wow, you're comparing Catholics to muslims? Where did I say I defended the priest that have done wrong? You must be perfect since you obviously can't see how some things can change. Obviously you don't understand the Catholic faith/priest vows. Would I be a priest? no, if I could get married...maybe.

So you are saying that Catholic faith encouraged deviant behavior...wow, there must be a ton of Catholics out there with all the weird crap that is going on...dude you are delusional or have a strong hatred of the Catholic church. I'm guessing you are either non-Catholic or once was and have left the faith, which at the end of it all I could care less about what you think...but I will stand up for my faith.

[Soonerjeepman]

Yea Jeep cant you read. Listen to the Man he knows what hes talking about!

:dog:

[Sooner8th]

wow, you're comparing Catholics to muslims? Where did I say I defended the priest that have done wrong? You must be perfect since you obviously can't see how some things can change. Obviously you don't understand the Catholic faith/priest vows. Would I be a priest? no, if I could get married...maybe.

So you are saying that Catholic faith encouraged deviant behavior...wow, there must be a ton of Catholics out there with all the weird crap that is going on...dude you are delusional or have a strong hatred of the Catholic church. I'm guessing you are either non-Catholic or once was and have left the faith, which at the end of it all I could care less about what you think...but I will stand up for my faith.

spoken like a true Muslim.....wait a minute.....................

[sappstuf]

does not seem to be the same bill, but House Republicans are insisting on "offsets," cuts in other programs, to pay for it. Nice try though.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/06/senate_passes_va_health_care_b.html

It passed 426-0. Why hasn't the Senate taken a vote on the most possible bi-partisan bill to emerge from the House?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I wonder when the revolution will occur and we tell Big Business and politicians to go to hell and hold all to the law and tell them to ho to hell and to eliminate the advantages for offshoring their income, prosecute businesses for hiring illegals and prosecuting pols for their illegal behavior.

[okie52]

It passed 426-0. Why hasn't the Senate taken a vote on the most possible bi-partisan bill to emerge from the House?

Crickets...

[Sooner8th]

It passed 426-0. Why hasn't the Senate taken a vote on the most possible bi-partisan bill to emerge from the House?

How come the house doesn't vote on the bill passed by the Senate on a 93-3 vote?

crickets

[Sooner8th]

It passed 426-0. Why hasn't the Senate taken a vote on the most possible bi-partisan bill to emerge from the House?

HAHAHAHA too funny again - READ AND LEARN

The House bill, sponsored by House Veterans’ Affairs Chairman Rep. Jeff Miller (R-FL), takes a different approach. It would fund the temporary outside-care program only “to the extent that appropriations are available,” thereby leaving most of the responsibility for funding the program to congressional appropriators.4 Appropriations would be subject to spending caps previously agreed to in the BCA and the recent budget compromise negotiated by Budget Chairmen Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). Because of this, additional appropriations for the Veterans Health Administration would need to be offset by other reductions in discretionary spending, unless Congress acted to waive or otherwise modify the BCA caps.

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/economicpolicy/2014/06/25/house-senate-pass-separate-veterans-affairs-healthcare-reform-bills

They want offsets to their own bill!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

TRY AGAIN DUMBASS!

[TAFBSooner]

I wonder when the revolution will occur and we tell Big Business and politicians to go to hell and hold all to the law and tell them to ho to hell and to eliminate the advantages for offshoring their income, prosecute businesses for hiring illegals and prosecuting pols for their illegal behavior.

I agree with most of that. Too bad the business wing of your party won't go along. :grumpy:

What we agree on is populism. If only we could get all the populists on both sides of the spectrum to work together, we could fix a lot of our problems. Any ideas?

The only thing on your list I even partially disagree with is about the illegal aliens. I'm not strongly concerned about immigration, but to the extent that it is a problem then I agree that the most useful first step is prosecuting the businesses that hire them.