Manning makes out like a bandit in stillwater

[Mazeppa]

I don't get it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/oklahoma-state-univeristy-paid-peyton-manning-a-lot-of-money-to-speak-at-school-041814

[BoulderSooner79]

Did he make a similar appearance at OU? I say a pic posted of P. Manning with Baker Mayfield.

[picasso]

As slow as he talks it sounds like a fail for the Pokes.

[Flagstaffsooner]

That place is a den of thieves anyway.

[lexsooner]

You do have to wonder, of all the people in the world to pay six figures to speak at an institution of higher learning, why Manning? Now if you have to have a jock, you could get someone nearly as intelligent and articulate, like Ryan Lochte, Michael Phelps, or Hope Solo.

[Eielson]

If Manning came to speak at OU and I knew about it, I'd probably go listen. He's a legend.

[MichiganSooner]

Didn't Manning get in break an NFL rule by speaking with Saban recently?

[8timechamps]

I've heard Manning speak (along with about 5,000 others), and it was interesting. Why did he do it in Stillwater? $105k. Nothing wrong with making money.

[bluedogok]

Didn't Manning get in break an NFL rule by speaking with Saban recently?
No, it was the fact that both he and the Broncos Offensive Coordinator spoke to Saban together in violation of the new CBA Player/Coach contact during an off period. Regardless of the fact that Gase has worked for Saban and Manning has met with Saban for many years. Manning just met with the Stoops and the OU staff like he also did with Saban, no paid speech appearance. He did meet with Gundy and the OSU staff outside of the paid appearance. It seems the CBA was not written for those players who wish to do more than the minimum.

[bluedogok]

I've heard Manning speak (along with about 5,000 others), and it was interesting. Why did he do it in Stillwater? $105k. Nothing wrong with making money.
Was it at the Boy Scouts event?

[8timechamps]

Was it at the Boy Scouts event?

No, it was last year at a Business Development seminar.

[lexsooner]

I've heard Manning speak (along with about 5,000 others), and it was interesting. Why did he do it in Stillwater? $105k. Nothing wrong with making money.

No, but I think the issue is OSU is a public institution of higher learning and Manning is an entertainment sports celebrity who has little to offer in the area of thinking, innovation, creativity, or intellectual stimulation. I can see a university paying a speaking fee for a Nobel laureate, innovative business leader, musician, or international statesman who can enrich students' minds, but some football player whose own older brother the energy executive says is nothing more than a dumb jock?

[bluedogok]

Did the "school" pay for it or some outside foundation?

There are plenty of intellectuals out there as well who couldn't convey a message worth a damn, they may be smart in their field but couldn't deliver it to lay people. I do think Manning has assessment and critical thinking skills down much better than some of those people who think they are intellectually superior and does it at a much faster rate.

[Eielson]

Peyton Manning is more successful and entertaining than Phelps, Lochte, and Solo combined.

[PrideMom]

I imagine that T. Boone paid for his appearance. Remember P. Manning is a pro, and they do not go anywhere without being paid.

[badger]

From my understanding, attendees paid $10 each to hear Manning speak at OSU, so likely attendance covered a good portion of the speaking fee.

I don't think Peyton got paid for his side trip to OU afterward though, so basically, OSU footed a six-figure bill that allowed Peyton an easy side trip to Norman. If I were a Poke, I'd be slightly miffed :stunned:

[picasso]

Peyton Manning is more successful and entertaining than Phelps, Lochte, and Solo combined.

More successful than Phelps? No. Equally in whatever formula you want to throw out but Phelps is on a pretty high peak.

[badger]

More successful than Phelps? No. Equally in whatever formula you want to throw out but Phelps is on a pretty high peak.

Is it fair to compare athletes who aren't competing in the same sport? Apples and oranges.

[70sooner]

especially when one is doing so as an individual and the other as part of a team.

[picasso]

Is it fair to compare athletes who aren't competing in the same sport? Apples and oranges.

Sure it is but I was responding to the notion that Phelps isn't successful.
Journalists are always trying to rank the greatest athletes.

[8timechamps]

No, but I think the issue is OSU is a public institution of higher learning and Manning is an entertainment sports celebrity who has little to offer in the area of thinking, innovation, creativity, or intellectual stimulation. I can see a university paying a speaking fee for a Nobel laureate, innovative business leader, musician, or international statesman who can enrich students' minds, but some football player whose own older brother the energy executive says is nothing more than a dumb jock?

Personally, I couldn't care less who/what OSU spends their money on, but schools bring in people to speak all the time.

As for Manning, he's pretty far from being a "dumb jock". I suspect his brother was saying that in jest, as they are very close (much closer than Peyton and Eli).

[lexsooner]

Personally, I couldn't care less who/what OSU spends their money on, but schools bring in people to speak all the time.

As for Manning, he's pretty far from being a "dumb jock". I suspect his brother was saying that in jest, as they are very close (much closer than Peyton and Eli).

Well, I actually don't think he's dumb, probably average or a little above average in intelligence, and his brother said it in anger because an energy trade magazine interviewed him and spent much of the interview asking him about his brothers and football. Bro, who is a very prominent N.O. energy exec, said something like his brothers were both dumb jocks whose idea of an investment is buying a few pizza restaurants. He is probably at least a few clicks smarter than his brothers, but he did say it out of anger or irritation.

A couple of year ago OSU apparently also invited Shaq to speak, and attenders said he spent much of the time making erection jokes, so you have to wonder about a student board which keeps inviting sports entertainment figures. I am sure Manning had a lot more to offer than Shaq, but come on pokies, are you an institution of higher learning or not?

[Eielson]

More successful than Phelps?

Yes, and it's not even close. Start naming the great athletes that he competed against. If simply being the best in your field makes you successful, then nobody can touch Joey Chestnut. The field you succeed in is important.

[Eielson]

Well, I actually don't think he's dumb, probably average or a little above average in intelligence, and his brother said it in anger because an energy trade magazine interviewed him and spent much of the interview asking him about his brothers and football. Bro, who is a very prominent N.O. energy exec, said something like his brothers were both dumb jocks whose idea of an investment is buying a few pizza restaurants. He is probably at least a few clicks smarter than his brothers, but he did say it out of anger or irritation.

A couple of year ago OSU apparently also invited Shaq to speak, and attenders said he spent much of the time making erection jokes, so you have to wonder about a student board which keeps inviting sports entertainment figures. I am sure Manning had a lot more to offer than Shaq, but come on pokies, are you an institution of higher learning or not?

OU brought in Kel this year. As in...Kenan and Kel. Are we disqualified from being an institute of higher learning?

[picasso]

Yes, and it's not even close. Start naming the great athletes that he competed against. If simply being the best in your field makes you successful, then nobody can touch Joey Chestnut. The field you succeed in is important.

What the hell? Naming or not naming his competition doesn't add any value to what he accomplished in the WORLD of swimming.
What kind of ****ed up logic is that?
Manning didn't beat his fellow QB's in the league. He's beaten defenses.
Let's name alllllll the guys Tiger Woods beat in golf tournaments. Mmmk.

[lexsooner]

OU brought in Kel this year. As in...Kenan and Kel. Are we disqualified from being an institute of higher learning?

If the student union board wants to book some comedian to do his act in order to entertain students, in addition to having movies, musical acts, that's fine. It's not the same as a university inviting and handsomely paying entertainment figures as serious speakers. Shaq and Manning's currency are as athletes and public figures in the entertainment industry. OSU's mission would have been better served by inviting an ex-President, Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, to speak. OSU paid Shaq as a serious speaker and got dick jokes in return.

[8timechamps]

Well, I actually don't think he's dumb, probably average or a little above average in intelligence, and his brother said it in anger because an energy trade magazine interviewed him and spent much of the interview asking him about his brothers and football. Bro, who is a very prominent N.O. energy exec, said something like his brothers were both dumb jocks whose idea of an investment is buying a few pizza restaurants. He is probably at least a few clicks smarter than his brothers, but he did say it out of anger or irritation.

A couple of year ago OSU apparently also invited Shaq to speak, and attenders said he spent much of the time making erection jokes, so you have to wonder about a student board which keeps inviting sports entertainment figures. I am sure Manning had a lot more to offer than Shaq, but come on pokies, are you an institution of higher learning or not?

I know the eldest Manning son is a pretty smart guy, who had his football career cut short because of health issues. I certainly can't speak to Peyton's intelligence like his own brother could. What I can tell you (for fact) is that Peyton's investments are far more sophisticated than a chain of pizza joints.

[bluedogok]

If the student union board wants to book some comedian to do his act in order to entertain students, in addition to having movies, musical acts, that's fine. It's not the same as a university inviting and handsomely paying entertainment figures as serious speakers. Shaq and Manning's currency are as athletes and public figures in the entertainment industry. OSU's mission would have been better served by inviting an ex-President, Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, to speak. OSU paid Shaq as a serious speaker and got dick jokes in return.
Those listed (except Shaq) get a whole lot more money for speaking engagements than Manning does. Bill Clinton now gets $500,000 to 750,000 per speaking engagement, he made $13.4 million in 2012 on speaking fees alone.

[picasso]

Those listed (except Shaq) get a whole lot more money for speaking engagements than Manning does. Bill Clinton now gets $500,000 to 750,000 per speaking engagement, he made $13.4 million in 2012 on speaking fees alone.

But there's a discount if he can bang your wife. Per Norman Mailer.

[lexsooner]

But there's a discount if he can bang your wife. Per Norman Mailer.

But Mailer reserves the right to stab her.

[Eielson]

What the hell? Naming or not naming his competition doesn't add any value to what he accomplished in the WORLD of swimming.
What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

If he competed and won against such great athletes, why can't you name them?


Manning didn't beat his fellow QB's in the league. He's beaten defenses.

...and those defenses that he beat were overflowing with the greatest athletes in the world.


Let's name alllllll the guys Tiger Woods beat in golf tournaments. Mmmk.

Feel free to. I don't see the point, though.

[BoulderSooner79]

Those listed (except Shaq) get a whole lot more money for speaking engagements than Manning does. Bill Clinton now gets $500,000 to 750,000 per speaking engagement, he made $13.4 million in 2012 on speaking fees alone.

And I would certainly hope this is the case. Sports certainly does teach lessons that can be applied in other parts of life, but that can't compare to someone that spent 8 years as the most powerful person in the world.

[badger]

If he competed and won against such great athletes, why can't you name them?
Australia's Ian Thorpe was probably the biggest name he went head to head against, but if you're looking at swimming history, he was competing against the great Mark Spitz for the all-time Olympic gold medal record.

If I were to bash Peyton to make Phelps' accomplishments look better, I'd say that Peyton just achieved a historic record in the NFL as well: First quarterback to lose to the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl :D:D:D but let's not go there. I don't even like the Seahawks let alone Pete Carroll and was hoping that they'd win it all if it couldn't be my Packers. He has quite a few Colts quarterback achievements and has gotten quite a few individual honors in his career as well.

Also, before anyone argues that Phelps was an individual and Peyton was on a team, Phelps won a lot of Olympics gold medals on four-man relays.

[picasso]

If he competed and won against such great athletes, why can't you name them?



...and those defenses that he beat were overflowing with the greatest athletes in the world.



Feel free to. I don't see the point, though.
What kind of logic is this? Because I don't know world class swimmers? I'm not a swimming fan but I can appreciate someone who has won the most gold medals in Olympic history. Not in table tennis either, in several different distances in swimming.
I like your posts man but you've gone off the deep end here.
I would probably prefer to hear Manning speak over Phelps but his accomplishments don't take a backseat to a Peyton Manning.

[picasso]

The greatest athletes in the world are solely on NFL defenses?
I'm gonna bet some money that a lot of those guys can't even swim.
How do you define a great athlete? On speed and strength? By how many different sports you're good at?
Silliness.

[Eielson]

What kind of logic is this? Because I don't know world class swimmers? I'm not a swimming fan but I can appreciate someone who has won the most gold medals in Olympic history. Not in table tennis either, in several different distances in swimming.
I like your posts man but you've gone off the deep end here.
I would probably prefer to hear Manning speak over Phelps but his accomplishments don't take a backseat to a Peyton Manning.

It's not surprising that you don't know who he was competing against. Very few people do, because it's not a major sport, and thus pulls from a much smaller gene pool. This lowers the level of competition considerably, so the achievements aren't as meaningful. If swimming became the new football in America, Phelps would cease to be noteworthy, and might completely disappear. The amount of money, attention, and participation in football in America is exponentially higher than swimming. That causes talent gaps, and there's no way around it.

Don't get me wrong. What Phelps did was impressive. He's just not on Peyton's level, and Phelps was by far the most successful of the three mentioned.


The greatest athletes in the world are solely on NFL defenses?
I'm gonna bet some money that a lot of those guys can't even swim.
How do you define a great athlete? On speed and strength? By how many different sports you're good at?
Silliness.

They're not ALL on NFL defenses. Some are on offense. Some play basketball, a few play baseball, and then there are many in other countries. Swimming is waaaayy down the list.

[KantoSooner]

Skill sets and body types vary from sport to sport and I really don't think there's much of a value judgement that can be made between sports as to which is 'most athletic' or 'talented'.
Not taking an ounce from Peyton, but I really doubt he'd be much more than a talented amateur cross country skier or marathon runner. How about decathalon? How about all sorts of sports we don't play much here in this country? soccer, for instance, which is generally accepted, along with basketball, to have the best all around athletes in the world (the typically OL is, frankly, pretty horrifically out of shape for any sort of extended aerobic activity. Not that I'd really want to get into it with them in five second bursts.)
All that said, if you want to crap on baseball or cricket, by all means, go right ahead. But those, along with billiards, bowling, croquet and the like are not sports, but games.

There, now if that don't rattle the wasp's nest, I don't know what will!

[Eielson]

Skill sets and body types vary from sport to sport and I really don't think there's much of a value judgement that can be made between sports as to which is 'most athletic' or 'talented'.

I don't recall ever saying that Peyton Manning is incredibly athletic. By my criteria of athleticism, he is not an elite athlete in the way guys like Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Lebron James, Calvin Johnson etc. are. Talent may be a different story, but it gets tricky there. What I said was successful.


Not taking an ounce from Peyton, but I really doubt he'd be much more than a talented amateur cross country skier or marathon runner. How about decathalon? How about all sorts of sports we don't play much here in this country? soccer, for instance, which is generally accepted, along with basketball, to have the best all around athletes in the world (the typically OL is, frankly, pretty horrifically out of shape for any sort of extended aerobic activity. Not that I'd really want to get into it with them in five second bursts.)

Obviously even great athletes will be better at certain sports. I'll try to explain what I'm saying with a made up example.

Population: 150,000,000
Sport A: 10 out of 15 people play on organized team in their life. Being the best player in Sport A makes you the best out of 100,000,000 people.
Sport B: 1 out of 15 people play on organized team in their life. Being the best player in Sport B makes you the best out of 10,000,000

Being the best out of 100,000,000 is far more significant than being the best out of 10,000,000. I have no idea how swimming and football compare, but I know that far more people are trying to play on the football team than the swimming team, and oftentimes, people are on the swim team because they could not succeed at other sports. There are no over-involved dads watching elementary school/middle school playgrounds trying to find the next great swimmer to add to their team. Many young kids (and their fathers) want to be the next great quarterback. Nobody says that about swimming in America.

I know that other countries love soccer. In those countries, a lot of the great athletes go to that sport. Those pressures create countries where their best athletes are soccer players. That is definitely not the case in America. Having said that, soccer still ranks far higher than swimming in America. Other countries like Cuba love baseball, and they produce baseball players like Yasiel Puig. Are there any major countries where swimming is the primary sport? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know of none.


All that said, if you want to crap on baseball or cricket, by all means, go right ahead. But those, along with billiards, bowling, croquet and the like are not sports, but games.

While it is difficult to differentiate between sports and games sometimes, a steroid epidemic is a pretty clear indicator of which side it falls on. You may think baseball is boring, but it's clearly a sport.

[lexsooner]

I think there is a strong argument the NBA, overall, has the best athletes in the world. I can't think of any other sport which requires as much athleticism, quickness, jumping ability, strength, coordination and precision skills, and conditioning, all in the bodies of mostly very tall and large players.

[CatfishSooner]

I don't recall ever saying that Peyton Manning is incredibly athletic. By my criteria of athleticism, he is not an elite athlete in the way guys like Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Lebron James, Calvin Johnson etc. are. Talent may be a different story, but it gets tricky there. What I said was successful.

Phelps is far more "successful" than Manning. Phelps is an all-time Olympic Great with how many Gold medals? Manning is a great football player, but his legacy will no doubt include a team-based achievement factor and he is just not there. He's a great football player but he is not more successful than Phelps by any means. I would bet more people "play" swimming worldwide than American Football...so your population analysis, while very interesting, is inconsequential. You have a very apparent US/football-centric bias....

[picasso]

I'm not going to read all of that bull**** because this aegument ended when you didn't understand the need to name every player Eldrick Woods has beaten. You missed your own, point.
Swimming is probably as a whole just as big world wide as North American football.
I could give two ****s really but you're a bit dense if you don't think guys that can swim at world class speed at different distances aren't elite athletes.
It borderlines some guys I knew in college who actually took the Bo Jackson when is that Tour de France thing seriously.

[Eielson]

Phelps is far more "successful" than Manning. Phelps is an all-time Olympic Great with how many Gold medals? Manning is a great football player, but his legacy will no doubt include a team-based achievement factor and he is just not there. He's a great football player but he is not more successful than Phelps by any means.

I'd rather have the 10th best basketball player in the USA than the best basketball player in Egypt. It's not even close. Imagine the talent for basketball in the world if no USA basketball players existed. Basketball would still have more talent than swimming.



I would bet more people "play" swimming worldwide than American Football...so your population analysis, while very interesting, is inconsequential.

I'm still waiting to hear about a country who's most talented athletes are swimmers.


You have a very apparent US/football-centric bias....

We're comparing two Americans...

[Eielson]

I'm not going to read all of that bull**** because this aegument ended when you didn't understand the need to name every player Eldrick Woods has beaten. You missed your own, point.
Swimming is probably as a whole just as big world wide as North American football.
I could give two ****s really but you're a bit dense if you don't think guys that can swim at world class speed at different distances aren't elite athletes.
It borderlines some guys I knew in college who actually took the Bo Jackson when is that Tour de France thing seriously.

See ya later. The fact that I would have to explain why Michael Phelps is not a comparable athlete to somebody like Calvin Johnson is baffling, and I probably should have left it alone. There is no getting through to somebody with misconceptions that are that atrocious.

[CatfishSooner]

I'd rather have the 10th best basketball player in the USA than the best basketball player in Egypt. It's not even close. Imagine the talent for basketball in the world if no USA basketball players existed. Basketball would still have more talent than swimming.




I'm still waiting to hear about a country who's most talented athletes are swimmers.



We're comparing two Americans...

1. I doubt that.
2. I'm not sure, but possibly Australia. Still waiting to hear why your "population analysis" matters/has any bearing on reality?
3. Is there only American success?

[KantoSooner]

Eielson,
If I understand your argument, you are basing your premise on statistics: more participants equaling a more stringent 'filter' if you will. You are not allowing for self selection and other outside factors however.

As to steroid use proving that baseball is a sport (which slam was intended to be humorous, by the way. To get through the next four months of the most boring televised activity in the history of man, I need humor. One can only mow the lawn so much, more interesting than baseball though it undoubtedly is) how about the abuse of beta blockers in target shooting? It's surely not a 'sport' in the sense that say basketball is, yet 'drug' abuse is rampant.

[picasso]

Baseball was my favorite sport to practice. Football, basketball and golf were my favorites in competition.
Basketball practice was always a grind but I used to be a gym rat.
I met the manager of the Bisbee, AZ, pro baseball team at an art exhibit in Phoenix a month ago. We got into a conversation about hitting. He commented on how some of his best hitters were not athletes. I was cracking up.

I've always found that people who don't just dislike but hate a certain sport have tried it and sucked thoroughly at it.
Especially golf. I used to lift weights with some meatheads who always said basketball was for pussies, but this was because they were too stiff and goofy to play it.

Finesse athletes always impress me more than a blockhead who is fast in just one direction.

[Eielson]

1. I doubt that.

Doubt what?


2. I'm not sure, but possibly Australia.

Nope.


Still waiting to hear why your "population analysis" matters/has any bearing on reality?

When more people play a sport, it increases the gene pool to select from. That raises the level of competition. What part do you not understand?


3. Is there only American success?

When you're comparing two Americans? Yes.

Going a step further. Although I don't believe I ever said it (due to the additional controversy that was unnecessary to prove my point), America does have the best athletes. If that's not the case, how is it that in a sport we prioritize so little (swimming), that we have the best one? Not only was he the best swimmer in the world, we were winning gold medals in relay races, so we were technically having the best teams. Something doesn't add up. Either swimming isn't that big of a deal worldwide (comparatively), or we just have a monopoly on great athletes.

[Eielson]

Eielson,
If I understand your argument, you are basing your premise on statistics: more participants equaling a more stringent 'filter' if you will. You are not allowing for self selection and other outside factors however.

It's not a perfectly designed experiment that accounts for all confounders. I absolutely believe that SOME great athletes could turn down offers to play other sports in order to swim because that's what they want to do. In general, though, I think most swimmers end up swimming because they didn't have as much success in other sports. It's entirely possible that if you selected a random professional swimmer they could be a better athlete than somebody in the NFL. It's just really, really rare. To me, it's like comparing med school students to a chiropractic student. The most intelligent chiropractoric students are going to be smarter than the dumbest med school students in some cases, but if you compare top vs. top and bottom vs. bottom, it's unlikely it won't even be close. The smartest science undergrad in the world could choose to become a chiropractor, but I'd bet quite a bit of money that they don't. If, however, this did happen, the smartest/most athletic person would win against their competition by leaps and bounds (like Usain Bolt show-boating his way to the finish line in the 100M even though he is built for the 200M). Phelps did win 8 gold medals, which is insane, but I don't recall too many blowouts. In fact, if I remember right, in one of his events he had to be bailed out by a teammate who posted a better time than he had.


As to steroid use proving that baseball is a sport, how about the abuse of beta blockers in target shooting? It's surely not a 'sport' in the sense that say basketball is, yet 'drug' abuse is rampant.

I'm not that familiar with beta blockers, but I can't see how that would make somebody bigger, stronger, faster, etc.

[birddog]

So what I got was osu hired manning to give swimming lessons to Egyptians. Bet that was riveting.

[Aries]

So what I got was osu hired manning to give swimming lessons to Egyptians. Bet that was riveting.

LOL!!!! Awesome.... :)