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okie52
1/31/2014, 09:54 AM
Republican Plan Would Grant Citizenship to Some Undocumented Children
Thursday, 30 Jan 2014 05:02 PM
By Newsmax Wires

A series of immigration reform steps floated on Thursday by House Republicans would grant citizenship for some children brought into the United States illegally by their parents and halt deportations of some undocumented adults, according to a policy document obtained by Reuters and The Associated Press.
The immigration reform principles, which a source said are open to change, were to be discussed on Thursday by House Republicans at a closed-door retreat at a resort on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland.

House Republican leaders are floating the ideas to see if there is enough support among Republican lawmakers to push a series of immigration bills this year. But some conservative House Republicans already were criticizing the proposals and predicting they would go no further this year.

The principles also say the country's national and economic security depends on requiring people who are living and working here illegally to come forward and get right with the law.

It rules out a special path to citizenship. Instead, it says immigrants living here illegally could remain and live legally if they pass background checks, pay fines and back taxes, learn to speak English and understand U.S. civics, and can support themselves without access to welfare.

Speaker John Boehner told reporters at the start of the closed-door conference on Thursday that there would be discussions on immigration and on a series of Republican "principles" developed by leaders of the party, which controls the House.

"I think it's time to deal with it. But how we deal with it is going to be critically important," Boehner said as he prepared to hold what promised to be a contentious Thursday session.
Immigration reform, which President Barack Obama is pressing to achieve this year, is one of the key issues before Republicans at their retreat on the Choptank River that flows into the Chesapeake Bay.

Early indications were that House Republicans were coalescing around advancing new healthcare legislation that they will present as an alternative to "Obamacare," which suffered a troubled rollout in October. But such consensus was not yet forming around immigration reform legislation.

Asked whether Republicans would emerge with an alternative to a bipartisan immigration bill passed by the Senate in June, Boehner said only: "We're going to have that conversation today; outline the principles, have the discussion, we'll make some decisions."

Some outspoken conservative Republicans pointedly disagreed with Boehner's desire to move forward on immigration legislation.

"It's not just the conservatives. I think a majority of the conference" think that now is "not the time to deal with the issue," Representative Raul Labrador of Idaho told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Labrador, who last year was part of a bipartisan group of lawmakers working on a comprehensive immigration deal, said some Republicans fear that getting bogged down in a contentious immigration debate this year could jeopardize the party's "great opportunity" to take control of the Senate away from Democrats in the November congressional elections.

His remarks came just hours after Boehner stood before television cameras complaining that immigration reform had "become a political football. I think it's unfair."

Contradicting Boehner on the high priority of immigration legislation, Labrador said, "I just don't think this is the time." He predicted that House Republicans will merely discuss their leaders' immigration principles and then "move on" to other items this year - such as an alternative to Obama's healthcare law.

Even allies of Boehner such as Representative Greg Walden of Oregon said that the first half of 2014 could go by without any action on the contentious immigration issue. "It's probably months out, I don't know," Walden said on the sidelines of the Republican conference.

The full text of the GOP's principles on immigration reads:

PREAMBLE
Our nation’s immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced. Washington’s failure to fix them is hurting our economy and jeopardizing our national security. The overriding purpose of our immigration system is to promote and further America’s national interests and that is not the case today. The serious problems in our immigration system must be solved, and we are committed to working in a bipartisan manner to solve them. But they cannot be solved with a single, massive piece of legislation that few have read and even fewer understand, and therefore, we will not go to a conference with the Senate’s immigration bill. The problems in our immigration system must be solved through a step-by-step, common-sense approach that starts with securing our country’s borders, enforcing our laws, and implementing robust enforcement measures. These are the principals guiding us in that effort.

Border Security and Interior Enforcement Must Come First
It is the fundamental duty of any government to secure its borders, and the United States is failing in this mission. We must secure our borders now and verify that they are secure. In addition, we must ensure now that when immigration reform is enacted, there will be a zero tolerance policy for those who cross the border illegally or overstay their visas in the future. Faced with a consistent pattern of administrations of both parties only selectively enforcing our nation’s immigration laws, we must enact reform that ensures that a President cannot unilaterally stop immigration enforcement.

Implement Entry-Exit Visa Tracking System
A fully functioning Entry-Exit system has been mandated by eight separate statutes over the last 17 years. At least three of these laws call for this system to be biometric, using technology to verify identity and prevent fraud. We must implement this system so we can identify and track down visitors who abuse our laws.

Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement
In the 21st century it is unacceptable that the majority of employees have their work eligibility verified through a paper based system wrought with fraud. It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system.

Reforms to the Legal Immigration System
For far too long, the United States has emphasized extended family members and pure luck over employment-based immigration. This is inconsistent with nearly every other developed country. Every year thousands of foreign nationals pursue degrees at America’s colleges and universities, particularly in high skilled fields. Many of them want to use their expertise in U.S. industries that will spur economic growth and create jobs for Americans. When visas aren’t available, we end up exporting this labor and ingenuity to other countries. Visa and green card allocations need to reflect the needs of employers and the desire for these exceptional individuals to help grow our economy.
The goal of any temporary worker program should be to address the economic needs of the country and to strengthen our national security by allowing for realistic, enforceable, usable, legal paths for entry into the United States. Of particular concern are the needs of the agricultural industry, among others. It is imperative that these temporary workers are able to meet the economic needs of the country and do not displace or disadvantage American workers.

Youth
One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents. It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own, those who know no other place as home. For those who meet certain eligibility standards, and serve honorably in our military or attain a college degree, we will do just that.

Individuals Living Outside the Rule of Law
Our national and economic security depend on requiring people who are living and working here illegally to come forward and get right with the law. There will be no special path to citizenship for individuals who broke our nation’s immigration laws – that would be unfair to those immigrants who have played by the rules and harmful to promoting the rule of law. Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits). Criminal aliens, gang members, and sex offenders and those who do not meet the above requirements will not be eligible for this program. Finally, none of this can happen before specific enforcement triggers have been implemented to fulfill our promise to the American people that from here on, our immigration laws will indeed be enforced.

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okie52
1/31/2014, 09:55 AM
Cruz: House GOP Immigration Plan Amounts to 'Amnesty'

Friday, 31 Jan 2014 08:23 AM
By Melissa Clyne

Tackling immigration reform before the midterm elections in November will splinter the GOP and fumble the party’s opportunity to regain the Senate, predicts Sen. Ted Cruz.

Granting legal status to illegal immigrants, as Republican House leaders recommended Thursday, is tantamount to amnesty, according to Cruz.

"Amnesty is wrong in any circumstance, and if we are going to fix our broken immigration system — and we should — it makes much more sense to do so next year, so that we are negotiating a responsible solution with a Republican Senate majority," the Texas Republican and tea party favorite told Breitbart.

“Anyone pushing an amnesty bill right now should go ahead and put a 'Harry Reid for Majority Leader' bumper sticker on their car, because that will be the likely effect if Republicans refuse to listen to the American people and foolishly change the subject from Obamacare to amnesty.”

House Republicans this week called for a renewed push to create a path to legal status for illegal aliens, a prickly issue within the party.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan maintains that the GOP plan, contained in a set of guiding principles released by the leadership, is not “an automatic pathway to citizenship,” but would allow immigrants to obtain work permits and green cards if border security and other benchmarks are met, The Hill reports.

The House leadership approach to immigration reform also calls for a new guest-worker program, and increase in high-skilled work visas and a pathway to citizenship for children brought into the U.S. illegally, The Hill noted.

Cruz and other GOP conservatives believe that any immigration overhaul should focus first strengthening border security to ebb the flow of illegal immigrants before even considering ways to grant legal or citizenship status to the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the United States.

Republicans are united in their opposition to Obamacare and are hoping to capitalize on the program’s failures in November’s midterm elections. But if immigration reform overshadows it, key conservative groups opposed to the healthcare law say it could kill GOP chances of retaking the Senate and adding seats in the House.

“There’s absolutely no doubt that an immigration push is going to divide the Republican Party and take the focus off Obamacare,” Heritage Action spokesman Dan Holler told Bloomberg Businessweek, which reported earlier this week that Cruz was meeting with House tea party Republicans.

“I very much hope the House of Representatives does not go down that road, and I don’t believe they will,” he said. “It’s certainly something the American people don’t want to see Congress do.”

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5thYearSooner
2/3/2014, 12:18 PM
Gov. Bobby Jindal said it right. We currently have low walls and a narrow gate. We need high walls and a wider gate.

okie52
2/3/2014, 12:26 PM
Depends on what Jindal means...if it would be for temporary visas for laborers then I would agree as long as the employers were responsible for meeting all of the needs of the temp workers (healthcare, education, etc...) and that none would be borne by the US taxpayers.

We are already granting citizenship to over 750,000 immigrants every year...far more than any other country in the world. I see no reason to increase that number.

5thYearSooner
2/3/2014, 01:05 PM
I agree. 750k is a lot but they way the issue those visas should be changed. Diversity Visa is absolutely useless. There is enough diversity. Also a productive immigrant prospect doesn't mean his/her siblings are productive too. Hence streamline or minimize sibling visas. Out of those 750k only 140k are for skilled immigrants, rest are family visas.

One of my colleagues moved to USA 7 years ago, still waiting to get his GC. Now his son finished high school and is forced to pay out of state tuition in college while some dreamers could pay instate. The kid could be qualified as a "dreamer" except this kid is legal and he being punished for being "legal". He can not work On or Off campus.

When it comes to illegals (Undocumented!), there shouldn't be any preference. No law abiding, tax paying prospective immigrant should wait more than any illegal to get Green card. If the illegals have really been contributors to the society, they shouldn't fear coming out and paying fines and stand in line.

There is no need to increase visas, just issue them to deserving people.

okie52
2/3/2014, 01:40 PM
I agree....use a meaningful strategy to recruit the best and brightest that will also become high income and high tax generators instead of this low skilled, low tax generators that will be a burden to society.

okie52
2/5/2014, 11:42 AM
GOP Must Stand Firm on Border Control
Tuesday, 04 Feb 2014 10:36 AM
By Thomas Sowell

Some supporters of President Obama may be worried about how he and the Democrats are going to fare politically, as the problems of Obamacare continue to escalate, and it looks like the Republicans have a chance to win a majority in the Senate.

But Democrats may not need to worry so much. Republicans may once again come to the rescue of the Democrats, by discrediting themselves and snatching defeat from the very jaws of victory.

The latest bright idea among Republicans inside the Beltway is a new version of amnesty that is virtually certain to lose votes among the Republican base and is unlikely to gain many votes among the Hispanics that the Republican leadership is courting.

One of the enduring political mysteries is how the Republicans can be so successful in winning governorships and control of state legislatures, while failing to make much headway in Washington. Maybe there are just too many clever GOP consultants inside the Beltway.

When it comes to national elections, just what principles do the Republicans stand for? It is hard to think of any, other than their hoping to win elections by converting themselves into Democrats lite. But voters who want what the Democrats offer can vote for the real thing, rather than Johnny-come-lately imitations.

Listening to discussions of immigration laws and proposals to reform them is like listening to something out of "Alice in Wonderland."

Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them. One of the big problems that those who are pushing "comprehensive immigration reform" want solved is how to help people who came here illegally and are now "living in the shadows" as a result.

What about embezzlers or burglars who are "living in the shadows" in fear that someone will discover their crimes? Why not "reform" the laws against embezzlement or burglary, so that such people can also come out of the shadows?

Almost everyone seems to think that we need to solve the problem of the children of illegal immigrants, because these children are here "through no fault of their own." Do people who say that have any idea how many millions of children are living in dire poverty in India, Africa, or other places "through no fault of their own," and would be better off living in the United States?

Do all children have some inherent right to live in America if they have done nothing wrong? If not, then why should the children of illegal immigrants have such a right?

More fundamentally, why do the American people not have a right to the protection that immigration laws provide people in other countries around the world — including Mexico, where illegal immigrants from other countries get no such special treatment as Mexico and its American supporters are demanding for illegal immigrants in the United States?

The very phrase "comprehensive" immigration reform is part of the bad faith that has surrounded immigration issues for decades. What "comprehensive" reform means is that border control and amnesty should be voted on together in Congress.

Why? Because that would be politically convenient for members of Congress, who like to be on both sides of issues, so as to minimize the backlash from the voting public. But what "comprehensive" immigration reform has always meant in practice is amnesty up front and a promise to control the border later — promises that have never been kept.

The new Republican proposal is to have some border control criteria whose fulfillment will automatically serve as a "trigger" to let the legalizing of illegal immigrants proceed. But why set up some automatic triggering device to signal that the borders are secure, when the Obama administration is virtually guaranteed to game the system, so that amnesty can proceed?

What in the world is wrong with Congress taking up border security first, as a separate issue, and later taking responsibility in a congressional vote on whether the border has become secure? Congress at least should come out of the shadows.

The Republican plan for granting legalization up front, while withholding citizenship, is too clever by half. It is like saying that you can slide halfway down a slippery slope.

Republicans may yet rescue the Democrats, while demoralizing their own supporters and utterly failing the country.



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Thank you Thomas...

okie52
2/5/2014, 11:43 AM
Pete Hoekstra: Paul Ryan Dampens Idea of Immigration Reform
Tuesday, 04 Feb 2014 06:47 PM

Former Rep. Pete Hoekstra says that Rep. Paul Ryan has "thrown some cold water" on the possibility of enacting immigration reform.

"He's kind of thrown some cold water on the whole idea that we're actually going to be passing immigration reform or put together a serious [proposal]" Hoeskstra told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"They've just got too many Republicans in the House conference who don't trust the president on enforcement, believing that if they pass immigration they'll get immigration reform -- but they won't get border enforcement," Hoekstra said Tuesday.

Ryan on Sunday told George Stephanopolis on ABC's "This Week" that "we don't think we can allow this border to continue to be overrun. And if we can get security first, no amnesty, before anything happens, we think that is a good approach.”

Ryan also provided ABC with greater detail about how the GOP's approach might be structured. Referring to provisions to increase border security and interior security, Ryan said, “Those things have to be in law, in practice, and independently verified before the rest of the law can occur. So, it's a security-first, non-amnesty approach.”


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okie52
2/5/2014, 11:44 AM
McConnell Cools on Immigration Reform

Wednesday, 05 Feb 2014 07:49 AM
By Elliot Jager

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said that differences between the House and Senate on immigration reform are too big to bridge in 2014, The Hill reported.

The Senate passed a comprehensive bipartisan immigration bill in June that would set a path to citizenship for the approximately 11 million people now in the U.S. illegally.

McConnell said the differences between the Democratic-controlled Senate and the Republican-led House are "irresolvable," the Hill reported.

"I don't see how you get to an outcome this year with the two bodies in such a different place," said McConnell.

McConnell is facing off against tea party opponent Matt Bevin in Kentucky's GOP primary. Bevin has taken a hard-nosed anti-immigration stance.

Republican strategists including William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, and Erick Erickson, the editor-in-chief of RedState, have argued that this is not the time to tackle immigration. Doing so, they say, would call attention to divisions within the party and take attention away from the failures of President Barack Obama's signature Affordable Care Act.

House Republican leaders led by Speaker John Boehner had issued a statement of principles on immigration, in conjunction with the recent House retreat, that would revamp the country's immigration laws a little at a time and in a way that non-tea party conservatives could live with.

Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., who helped to craft the principles, said he does not know if an immigration law can be passed. "That is clearly in doubt," he told ABC's "This Week" and depends on whether Democrats were willing to "secure the border," and "agree to not having an amnesty," The Hill reported.

Republican Rep. Jeff Denham of California who supports immigration reform, said that the House leadership has not given up, according to Breitbart.

"I think leadership's focus and my focus is to get [immigration] done as early as possible. It's part of our conference agenda right now. It doesn't go on the agenda without scheduling bills and scheduling time on the floor," Denham said.

Meanwhile, Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, who backed the Senate immigration bill, said that McConnell was probably right about prospects for immigration reform.

"The Democrats want amnesty and the Republicans would like to solve this problem, but in the House they're not about to give amnesty," he said.

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5thYearSooner
2/7/2014, 04:22 PM
I'm not against those who came in as children illegally. I agree to some extent that they have no where else to go. But I'm a 100% against these "dreamers" getting (better) benefits than the immigrants,who followed the law that's in place.

The only immigration reform that needs to be done is making sure that green cards are issued for deserving. When government starts to mix illegals and immigrants under one reform, its not achievable, its unfair to immigrants and dumb. The government only enforces immigration law selectively - harassing people standing in line but giving people who jump fence a free pass.

When somebody enters without VISA, they are not immigrants. They are intruders.

One example of why we need to amend existing employment based immigration law:

A person born in China has to wait about 10 years to get GC.
A person born in India has to wait about 15 years to get GC.
A person born in Pakistan has to wait about 1 year to get GC.
A person born in Europe has to wait about 1 year to get GC.

Assuming these people have STEM degrees from US educational institutions. Make it first come first serve and half of the legal immigration problem will be solved.

SanJoaquinSooner
2/10/2014, 06:15 PM
Thank you Thomas...


sowell wrote: Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them.

he's senile if he believes that. could easily list dozens of other laws. but here are two just for Oklahoma: tattoo laws and liquor by the drink laws.

Soonerjeepman
2/10/2014, 10:38 PM
Maybe, as an educator, I have a problem with pushing green cards, amnesty, or whatever for people that have high level skills....maybe I don't get it but I would rather have US citizens have those jobs...kids born and raised here. Not for letting a bunch of unskilled workers in instead...but I just don't get it.

5thYearSooner
2/11/2014, 09:01 AM
I have a problem with pushing green cards, amnesty, or whatever for people that have high level skills

Its free market. The best will win regardless of citizenship. There are already laws in place to make sure these workers are not underpaid. Any high skilled job has to be open for an American citizen for about 2 months before a non citizen is hired.


Not for letting a bunch of unskilled workers in instead...but I just don't get it.

Again no corporation would purposely go for an unskilled worker. Why would they? I wouldn't.

Soonerjeepman
2/11/2014, 09:30 AM
I agree on the free market, believe me, I tell my kids all the time about competition in the work place and no one is going to hire you if you do not have the skills they need. I was approaching the amnesty issue from the perspective that I'd rather push our citizens (kids) to attain those jobs. If there is a real need (not being filled by illegals) then maybe true education reform can happen...just my 2 cents. I definitely am for the best person getting the job, no matter race, sex or whatever else they can use for an excuse.

SanJoaquinSooner
2/11/2014, 01:43 PM
Maybe, as an educator, I have a problem with pushing green cards, amnesty, or whatever for people that have high level skills....maybe I don't get it but I would rather have US citizens have those jobs...kids born and raised here. Not for letting a bunch of unskilled workers in instead...but I just don't get it.

No reform is suggesting you be forced to hire them. It should always be "the most qualified" as determined by the employer. Anything else is affirmative action.

5thYearSooner
2/11/2014, 07:57 PM
Like I said in my one of my posts, it's unfair to immigrant prospects and their families if free stuff is handed over to intruders for breaking law. Immigration reform should be focused solely on immigration. The current political climate seems to be heading towards intruder reform rather than immigration reform.

Also "The most qualified" cannot be solely determined by employer. He/ She has to be cleared by DOL. Otherwise most qualified can easily turn into cheap undocumented labor.