Switzer threw a clunker in every couple of years, Stoops throws them in....

[Soonerus]

...2-3 per year...no comparison. Switzer is the King !!!

[SOONER44EVER]

I remember people were trying to compare Bob to Bud and Barry. I lol'ed at them.

[Soonerus]

I think Switzer's top salary at OU was $40K...weird...

[OkieThunderLion]

Did you guys miss '81, '82, '83?

[Soonerus]

Did you guys miss '81, '82, '83?


Shut it up, punk...

[Snrinhouston]

Did you guys miss '81, '82, '83?

Yep. Those were leaner years. I've always wondered if they were triggered by the brutal loss against USC in '81. Would love to ask Switzer if he ever rethought punting the ball away on 4th and 1 after Rhymes came up one yard short on that 3rd down reverse.

[Snrinhouston]

Shut it up, punk...

This so-called punk has a point. 7-4-1 in 81; 8-4 in '82; and 8-4 in '83 (damn near 7-5 but for Lashar at the OSU game). Barry himself said he asked the powers-that-be before the '84 season how many wins he needed to keep his job. And after the KU loss in '84, he told the team that he needed it to beat Mizzou the next week to save his job. In retrospect, Switzer says the problem those three years were some misses on recruiting. Both people that they got, and the ones they didn't (Leiding to UT and Gill to NU)

Regardless, Stoops' name should not be used in the same sentence as Switzer's.

[Soonerus]

Switzer had the pass with 3 MNC, nothing further is needed....

[BoulderSooner79]

Regardless, Stoops' name should not be used in the same sentence as Switzer's.

But you, but you just….

[Snrinhouston]

Agree. Switzer had a lot of credit in the bank with the two NCs in the 70's and the consecutive OB wins over NU, FSU, and FSU. Further, though the loss totals in 81-83 were unusually high for Switzer, few (if any ) of the losses were embarrassing beatdowns. And many of the losses were nail-biters. Stoops' last three losses damn sure aint been
fourth quarter nail-biters.

[Snrinhouston]

But you, but you just….

Ah yes...thanks for pointing out the irony/inconsistency. My bad.

[BoulderSooner79]

Ah yes...thanks for pointing out the irony/inconsistency. My bad.

I just thought it was a trick statement to stub our brains.

[Soonerus]

You rookies know nothing...this is unacceptable ...

[SoonerMachine]

And Switzer admitted that he was burned out and even not attending practice like he should. Bob on the other hand...

[SOONER44EVER]

Did you guys miss '81, '82, '83?

Who did we lose to by 30 or 40 points in those years? Who gained 600 yards on our D? When did we have delay of game penalties after a tv timeout? When did we never have even 1 timeout left when halftime was approaching? I was there in 81, 82 and 83 and never saw any of this stuff.

[Snrinhouston]

You rookies know nothing...this is unacceptable ...


Ok Soonerus...you clearly are the resident expert on the point at hand: The contention that Switzer had down years in 81-83. Given that, you should easily be able to answer these questions which I will throw off the top of my head.

1. Who was OU's third string QB in 1981?
2. Who was the star defensive player for the WV team that beat OU in 82?
3. Who was the starting QB for SC in 81? Where did he transfer after that season?
4. Who was the starting QB for SC in 82 for the game in Norman?
5. What defensive player for OU stripped a Houston player of a would be touchdown near the goal line in the Sunbowl?
6. Within plus or minus 10 yards, how many did Dupree have at half time in the Fiesta Bowl?
7. Why didn't Rozier play in the second half of the 83 game?

[Snrinhouston]

Ok Soonerus...you clearly are the resident expert on the point at hand: The contention that Switzer had down years in 81-83. Given that, you should easily be able to answer these questions which I will throw off the top of my head.

1. Who was OU's third string QB in 1981?
2. Who was the star defensive player for the WV team that beat OU in 82?
3. Who was the starting QB for SC in 81? Where did he transfer after that season?
4. Who was the starting QB for SC in 82 for the game in Norman?
5. What defensive player for OU stripped a Houston player of a would be touchdown near the goal line in the Sunbowl?
6. Within plus or minus 10 yards, how many did Dupree have at half time in the Fiesta Bowl?
7. Why didn't Rozier play in the second half of the 83 game?

Yep, nothing...that's what I thought. You can stop googling the answers.

[SOONER44EVER]

Yep, nothing...that's what I thought. You can stop googling the answers.I could guess at a bunch. The only one I think I know may be the Dupree one.

[Snrinhouston]

I could guess at a bunch. The only one I think I know may be the Dupree one.

1. Rod Pegues
2. Darryl Talley
3. John Mazur...left for Texas A/M
4. Sean Salisbury
5. Reilly, believe the first name was Jim.
6. Believe the exact number is 237
7. Hip pointer

My point being, Soonerus needs be a bit more careful before calling people rookies. The number of posts someone has isn't necessarily an indication of how well he/she knows Sooner football.

[soonergirlNeugene]

The game is different than it was when the King was HC. This isn't the Big 8 and the bone is nothing more than a novelty, much as ppl might wish otherwise. Some of you guys need to calm the hell down. I'm annoyed with the playcalling, but that one is on Heupel who was a stellar QB coach, but dubious as an OC.

[SOONER44EVER]

1. Rod Pegues
2. Darryl Talley
3. John Mazur...left for Texas A/M
4. Sean Salisbury
5. Reilly, believe the first name was Jim.
6. Believe the exact number is 237
7. Hip pointer

My point being, Soonerus needs be a bit more careful before calling people rookies. The number of posts someone has isn't necessarily an indication of how well he/she knows Sooner football.
I was gonna guess 238. I've seen the highlights so many times I figured I'd be close.

[SOONER44EVER]

The game is different than it was when the King was HC. This isn't the Big 8 and the bone is nothing more than a novelty, much as ppl might wish otherwise. Some of you guys need to calm the hell down. I'm annoyed with the playcalling, but that one is on Heupel who was a stellar QB coach, but dubious as an OC.

I'll still blame Stoops. He hired Heupel. As the thread stated, Stoops throws in 2 or 3 clunkers every year. as for the game being different........I agree. How many more championships might Barry have won if the BCS was in place back then?

[Snrinhouston]

I was gonna guess 238. I've seen the highlights so many times I figured I'd be close.

Did a quick google check...turns out it's 239 yards.

[Snrinhouston]

I'll still blame Stoops. He hired Heupel. As the thread stated, Stoops throws in 2 or 3 clunkers every year. as for the game being different........I agree. How many more championships might Barry have won if the BCS was in place back then?

Agreed. Stoops is the CEO. As much as I hate Texas, (though I don't hate Mack Brown) I respect Brown's willingness to give a coordinator the boot during the season.

[BoulderSooner79]

I'll still blame Stoops. He hired Heupel. As the thread stated, Stoops throws in 2 or 3 clunkers every year. as for the game being different........I agree. How many more championships might Barry have won if the BCS was in place back then?

I say less.
'74 probation
'75 didn't finish 1 or 2 before bowls
'85 very BCS-like matchup and OU won
'87 very BCS-like matchup and OU lost

So I say Switzer would have 1 title in the BCS era.

[SOONER44EVER]

I say less.
'74 probation
'75 didn't finish 1 or 2 before bowls
'85 very BCS-like matchup and OU won
'87 very BCS-like matchup and OU lost

So I say Switzer would have 1 title in the BCS era.I did forget about the ones on probation but 90 percent of the time before the BCS was formed the top 2 teams didn't get to play each other.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Yeah, I'd say the low point in Switzer's career centered around Kelly Phelps at QB.






1950
Claude Arnold (?)
1951
Eddie Crowder (?)

1952
Eddie Crowder (?)

1953
Gene Callame (?)
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Jimmy Harris (?), Gene Callame (?)
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Jimmy Harris (?)
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Jimmy Harris (?)
1957
Brewster Hobby (?), David Baker (?)
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Bob Cornell (?)
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Jimmy Carpenter (?)
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Bobby Page (?)
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Ronnie Fletcher (?), Monte Deere (?)
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Ronnie Fletcher (?), Bobby Page (?)
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John Hammond (?), Ronnie Fletcher (?), Bobby Page (?)
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John Hammond (?)
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Bobby Warmack (?)

1967
Bobby Warmack (?)

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Bobby Warmack (?)

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Jack Mildren (?)

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Jack Mildren (?)

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Jack Mildren (?)

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Dave Robertson (?)
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Steve Davis (?)

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Steve Davis (?)

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Steve Davis (?)

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Thomas Lott (?)

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Thomas Lott (?)

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Thomas Lott (?)

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J. C. Watts (?)

1980
J. C. Watts (?)

1981
Darrell Shepard (?)

1982
Kelly Phelps (?)

1983
Danny Bradley (?)

1984
Danny Bradley (?)

1985
Troy Aikman† (4), Jamelle Holieway (8)
1986
Jamelle Holieway (?)

1987
Charles Thompson (3), Jamelle Holieway
1988
Jamelle Holieway (?)

1989
Steve Collins (5), Tink Collins(5), Chris Melson(1)
1990
Steve Collins (6), Cale Gundy(5)
1991
Cale Gundy (11), Steve Collins (1)
1992
Cale Gundy (9), Steve Collins (2)
1993
Cale Gundy (12)

1994
Garrick McGee (11), Terence Brown (1),

1995
Eric Moore (11)
1996
Justin Fuente (8), Eric Moore (3)

1997
Eric Moore (6), Brandon Daniels (4), Justin Fuente (2)

1998
Brandon Daniels (5+), Jarrod Reese (?), Patrick Fletcher (?), Jake Sills (1+), Eric Moore (1)
1999
Josh Heupel (12)

2000
Josh Heupel (13)

2001
Jason White (?)‡, Nate Hybl (?)
2002
Jason White (?)‡, Nate Hybl (?)
2003
Jason White (14)‡

2004
Jason White (13)‡

2005
Rhett Bomar (11), Paul Thompson (1)
2006
Paul Thompson (14)

2007
Sam Bradford (14)‡*

2008
Sam Bradford (14)‡*

2009
Landry Jones (5), Sam Bradford (2)‡
2010
Landry Jones(13)

2011
Landry Jones(13)

2012
Landry Jones(13)

2013
Trevor Knight(2), Blake Bell(1)

[OUmillenium]

Amazing how the success of the team is closely tied to having a good qb at the helm.

[yermom]

I say less.
'74 probation
'75 didn't finish 1 or 2 before bowls
'85 very BCS-like matchup and OU won
'87 very BCS-like matchup and OU lost

So I say Switzer would have 1 title in the BCS era.

i typed out a post similar to this but my browser ate it on my phone

combine that with scholarship limits and parity

overall, Stoops is pretty comparable

injuries and a QB problem haven't helped this year. Landry would be killing it right now

[BoulderSooner79]

I did forget about the ones on probation but 90 percent of the time before the BCS was formed the top 2 teams didn't get to play each other.

That was my point. Switzer's teams rarely finished in the top 2 and thus would not have won a title under BCS rules. Now if you looked at it the other way and had Switzer coaching now instead of Bob, it's hard to say. He certainly would not have won any running the 'bone :) But I suspect he would have changed with the times and gotten a few shots.

[5noubus]

The game is different than it was when the King was HC. This isn't the Big 8 and the bone is nothing more than a novelty, much as ppl might wish otherwise. Some of you guys need to calm the hell down. I'm annoyed with the playcalling, but that one is on Heupel who was a stellar QB coach, but dubious as an OC.


I think it is such a different world now
Recruiting has got to be way tougher and different with all the tv exposure, social media, and the Internet all together .
Stoops runs a clean ,tight respectable program . He is a class act.
I still don't know if heupel is ready for the oc job. I don't look for him to go anywhere since he has such strong ties to OU- I hope Bob at least moves him back to qb coach.
We blamed Kevin Wilson too.
Maybe we just don't have the talent.

[SoonerorLater]

Maybe we just don't have the talent.

We don't. We have good talent but not great. Our QB situation is dire as far as winning football games go. I've been sitting looking at the KSU-TT game and the KSU offense looks a lot more dynamic than ours does. They are laying the wood to TT at Lubbock.

[soonergirlNeugene]

I'll still blame Stoops. He hired Heupel. As the thread stated, Stoops throws in 2 or 3 clunkers every year. as for the game being different........I agree. How many more championships might Barry have won if the BCS was in place back then?

Heupel was hired as a QB coach. Fresh off of winning a NC as quarterback. Coach's son, a great decision maker on the field etc. As a QB coach, Heupel was a FANTASTIC hire. The line of QBs we've graduated through the system is proof enough. When he moved up to OC, there was an expectation that he would be an improvement on Kevin Wilson's "predictable" calls. There was a lot of excitement on this board about the move. Next step in his development as a HC etc. There were even calls to remove Norvell as Heupel didn't need his help running the offense. Well. It's 2013 and our offense is failing in the transition from a pass first spread offense. Suddenly we have more personnel on the team to suit a power running team, but Heupel's inexperience with that type of offense is glaringly obvious. And there are plenty of reasons to question his ability to handle the job if he can't adapt his strategies to suit the personnel he has. That's on Heupel though. Now Stoops has a tough decision ahead of him. Can he demote Heupel back to QB coach and keep him on staff? Does he want to?

[Temujin]

The game is different than it was when the King was HC. This isn't the Big 8 and the bone is nothing more than a novelty, much as ppl might wish otherwise. Some of you guys need to calm the hell down. I'm annoyed with the playcalling, but that one is on Heupel who was a stellar QB coach, but dubious as an OC.

LOL, almost everyone fondly remembers the wishbone (myself included), but would anyone put up with 4-5 fumbles per game these days?

[soonertodd]

We just don't have the talent in the right places anymore.that falls on the coaches for their recruiting and player development. If you want to see something shocking take a look at baylors recruiting class ranks from 2009 til now and compare it to OU's. Meanwhile Alabama has had the top class almost every year since 2007. We are failing in the recruiting battles and player development.

Switzer said it best.when you have the best players it doesn't make much difference in the type of offense or defense you run.it comes down to execution. Bottom line is Switzer always seemed to get the most out of his players.

[King Crimson]

Heupel was hired as a QB coach. Fresh off of winning a NC as quarterback. Coach's son, a great decision maker on the field etc. As a QB coach, Heupel was a FANTASTIC hire. The line of QBs we've graduated through the system is proof enough. When he moved up to OC, there was an expectation that he would be an improvement on Kevin Wilson's "predictable" calls. There was a lot of excitement on this board about the move. Next step in his development as a HC etc. There were even calls to remove Norvell as Heupel didn't need his help running the offense. Well. It's 2013 and our offense is failing in the transition from a pass first spread offense. Suddenly we have more personnel on the team to suit a power running team, but Heupel's inexperience with that type of offense is glaringly obvious. And there are plenty of reasons to question his ability to handle the job if he can't adapt his strategies to suit the personnel he has. That's on Heupel though. Now Stoops has a tough decision ahead of him. Can he demote Heupel back to QB coach and keep him on staff? Does he want to?

i agree. we all love josh and what he did for the program.

[Jacie]

Switzer said it best.when you have the best players it doesn't make much difference in the type of offense or defense you run.it comes down to execution. Bottom line is Switzer always seemed to get the most out of his players.

Another Switzerism, always have your best players on defense.

[EatLeadCommie]

I say less.
'74 probation
'75 didn't finish 1 or 2 before bowls
'85 very BCS-like matchup and OU won
'87 very BCS-like matchup and OU lost

So I say Switzer would have 1 title in the BCS era.

And in 84 we would've played BYU, beat them, and not remembered the UW debacle.

[Salt City Sooner]

I can't seem to find the weekly coaches' poll for '85, but in the last pre-bowl AP poll, we were #3 behind PSU & Miami.

[Sabanball]

Switzer also had an amazing record against Nebraska--wasn't it something like 12-5?

Soonertodd is right--it all comes back to recruiting and getting players.

[yermom]

Osborne didn't do crap until Switzer wasn't around to keep him in check...

[Snrinhouston]

We just don't have the talent in the right places anymore.that falls on the coaches for their recruiting and player development. If you want to see something shocking take a look at baylors recruiting class ranks from 2009 til now and compare it to OU's. Meanwhile Alabama has had the top class almost every year since 2007. We are failing in the recruiting battles and player development.

Switzer said it best.when you have the best players it doesn't make much difference in the type of offense or defense you run.it comes down to execution. Bottom line is Switzer always seemed to get the most out of his players.


Yep, my biggest fear is that the diminished luster of the OU brand nationally will start to happen regionally. Lotta nice new bells and whistles in Stillwater courtesy of T-Boone. Those bells and whistles may look even shinier the more tarnished the OU brand becomes.

[soonertodd]

It bugs me too. After we won it all in 2000 we were the hot program at the time.Stoops had no problems getting into recruits homes. And I think that carried us til 2008. Had we beaten Florida I think it would have picked up again.But we lost our 3rd straight title game and had already lost some embarassing games on the nat'l stage. We definitely are not the same program to recruits as we were 12 years ago.

And yes Switzer owned Osborne like Bob owns mack. See Osbones reaction to having to play us again in the Orange Bowl in 78.

[cleller]

Have we got around to quizzing who had the jock strap contract in '81, or which type of salad fork Horace Ivory preferred?

Losses happen. The lopsided losses, and horrific play we have seen recently are something from another level.

[Snrinhouston]

Have we got around to quizzing who had the jock strap contract in '81, or which type of salad fork Horace Ivory preferred?

Losses happen. The lopsided losses, and horrific play we have seen recently are something from another level.

Agree 100%. False start followed immediately by delay of game was so indicative (as well as disgusting)

[SoonerorLater]

Have we got around to quizzing who had the jock strap contract in '81, or which type of salad fork Horace Ivory preferred?

Losses happen. The lopsided losses, and horrific play we have seen recently are something from another level.

Bud, Barry or Bob....which has the best winning percentage against ranked teams (top 25)? It's Bob Stoops. So why do so many folks just not consider him in the same strata as Bud or Barry? It's just what you said, the not-in-the-ballgame, lopsided losses where we look completely inept and unprepared. You have to dig deep into both Bud and Barry's record to find the kind of losses we now experience every year. Neither Bud or Barry ever experienced anything like the USC debacle or the WV Fiesta Bowl. Barry's bowl game against Arkansas was as close as it came.

At this point I just don't have a lot of confidence we are going to see much, if anything different out of Bob Stoops in the future.

[Snrinhouston]

Bud, Barry or Bob....which has the best winning percentage against ranked teams (top 25)? It's Bob Stoops. So why do so many folks just not consider him in the same strata as Bud or Barry? It's just what you said, the not-in-the-ballgame, lopsided losses where we look completely inept and unprepared. You have to dig deep into both Bud and Barry's record to find the kind of losses we now experience every year. Neither Bud or Barry ever experienced anything like the USC debacle or the WV Fiesta Bowl. Barry's bowl game against Arkansas was as close as it came.

At this point I just don't have a lot of confidence we are going to see much, if anything different out of Bob Stoops in the future.

Yep. But I'm afraid Boren/Castiglione are not concerned with being an elite team first and foremost. They will only react if attendance/revenue noticeably fall.

[SOONER44EVER]

I don't have any stats in front of me but I'd bet Barry didn't lose 5 games his entire career to unranked teams. Bob has about that many losses to unranked teams in the last 4 or 5 years. Barry had a few bad losses. Bob has had many.

[Soonerus]

I don't have any stats in front of me but I'd bet Barry didn't lose 5 games his entire career to unranked teams. Bob has about that many losses to unranked teams in the last 4 or 5 years. Barry had a few bad losses. Bob has had many.



Agreed, many....

[SOONER44EVER]

And i just don't count unranked teams beating us as a bad loss. When Arky beat us 31-6 that was a bad loss. Bob has had a lot of those lopsided losses too.

[birddog]

And i just don't count unranked teams beating us as a bad loss. When Arky beat us 31-6 that was a bad loss. Bob has had a lot of those lopsided losses too.

You said many in your previous post and then said a lot in the next. Are u just agreeing with yourself?

[SOONER44EVER]

You said many in your previous post and then said a lot in the next. Are u just agreeing with yourself?
Yeah. Pretty much.

[birddog]

Yes, it is much better than arguing with yourself, indeed.

[Soonerus]

A lot vs. many is a difference without a distinction ....foul on birddog for mentioning it...

[soonertodd]

By my rough count Switzer lost 8 times to unranked teams. Stoops 15 and counting.Switzers worstoss was the Arky game and Bobs was in the orange bowl also,against USC.

[Soonerus]

But Switzer rarely got embarrassed...

[soonertodd]

But Switzer rarely got embarrassed...

No he didn't. It happens way too often anymore. Thursday night when the offense was on the field I could hear Benny Hill music playing in my head.

[BoulderSooner79]

But Switzer rarely got embarrassed...

I think that whole Lacewell thing embarrassed him.

[Soonerus]

I think that whole Lacewell thing embarrassed him.


Possibly, but we are talking about football games...

[SanJoaquinSooner]

One more thing to add to Switzer's legacy, is him being the Offensive Coordinator when we switched to the wishbone and perfected the most prolific offense the football world had ever witnessed:


In 1971, offensive coordinator Barry Switzer perfected the wishbone offense as it led the nation in both scoring (45 points average) and total yards (563 total yards average), and set an NCAA record by averaging over 472.4 (5196 in 11 games) rushing yards in a season.[4] The team holds the current school record with 7.07 yards per rushing attempt and 7.6 yards per play as well as the records for 469.6 rushing yards (5635 in 12 games counting bowl game) and 566.83 yards of total offense per game. The team also holds the single-season rushing touchdowns record of 62 and rushing touchdowns per game record of 5.17. The team's records of 711 single-game rushing yards and 785 total yards stood for nine seasons.[5] Jack Mildren's single-season record for yards rushing by a quarterback of 1140 would be broken three seasons later by Freddie Solomon.[6]

Greg Pruitt set the current national single-season record with 8.98 yards per attempt,[7] the school's single-game records of 294 rushing yards and 374 all-purpose yards. Meanwhile, Jon Harrison set the single-season and career yards per reception with 29.1 and 27.0.[8] His 2066 single-season all-purpose yards record stood until Quentin Griffin broke it in 2002. Joe Wylie's kickoff return average record of 28.5 stood for 27 years.[9]

The team was led by three All-Americans: Pruitt,[7] Tom Brahaney[10] and Jack Mildren.[11] The team won its first nine games on a schedule that included five ranked opponents (In order, #17 USC, #3 Texas, #6 Colorado, #1 Nebraska and #5 Auburn). All five of these opponents finished the season ranked. The only loss was to Nebraska. They played Auburn in the Sugar Bowl and won 40–22.[3]

[BoulderSooner79]

Do folks think Switzer is coming back or something? Or is reminiscing about something that ended 25 years ago more fun than discussing the current state of the program?

[SoonerMachine]

No he didn't. It happens way too often anymore. Thursday night when the offense was on the field I could hear Benny Hill music playing in my head.

Oh my that's funny!!!

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Do folks think Switzer is coming back or something? Or is reminiscing about something that ended 25 years ago more fun than discussing the current state of the program?

Of course Barry isn't coming back - no more likely than Bud Wilkinson is coming back . Stoops is doing just fine, compared to Blake, Smelly, and Gibbs. But Barry and Bud set the standards.

[Indy Sooner]

Of course Barry isn't coming back - no more likely than Bud Wilkinson is coming back . Stoops is doing just fine, compared to Blake, Smelly, and Gibbs. But Barry and Bud set the standards.

Exactly. Stoops is closer to Bud and Barry than to those from the "dark years", but would need to reverse the trend of the past several years and win at least one more NC to be seriously considered in that august pantheon.

[Snrinhouston]

Exactly. Stoops is closer to Bud and Barry than to those from the "dark years", but would need to reverse the trend of the past several years and win at least one more NC to be seriously considered in that august pantheon.

Agree. But I just don't think the current version of Stoops has what it takes to get another NC.

[BoulderSooner79]

Agree. But I just don't think the current version of Stoops has what it takes to get another NC.

I don't either, but I don't see any value in all the Bob/Barry comparisons. But Bob + staff the last 5 years seems much less effective than Bob + staff his first 5 years. Have to account for how the game has changed since then, but I see that it has changed that much to be the main difference.

[Wishboned]

I don't have any stats in front of me but I'd bet Barry didn't lose 5 games his entire career to unranked teams. Bob has about that many losses to unranked teams in the last 4 or 5 years. Barry had a few bad losses. Bob has had many.

Barry's losses to unranked teams.

Kansas 1975 23-3 (In Norman)

Oklahoma State 1976 31-24 (In Norman)

Stanford 1980 31-14 (In Norman)

Missouri 1981 19-14

West Virginia 1982 41-27 (In Norman)

Missouri 1983 10-0

Kansas 1984 28-11

[Snrinhouston]

I don't either, but I don't see any value in all the Bob/Barry comparisons. But Bob + staff the last 5 years seems much less effective than Bob + staff his first 5 years. Have to account for how the game has changed since then, but I see that it has changed that much to be the main difference.

Yeah, the game has changed. But for what he's paid, I expect Bob to adapt

[tulsaoilerfan]

Barry's losses to unranked teams.

Kansas 1975 23-3 (In Norman)

Oklahoma State 1976 31-24 (In Norman)

Stanford 1980 31-14 (In Norman)

Missouri 1981 19-14

West Virginia 1982 41-27 (In Norman)

Missouri 1983 10-0

Kansas 1984 28-11

Kansas in 75 we had 8 straight turnovers in that game; people forget that Kansas team was actually pretty good and had Nolan Cromwell running their version of the wishbone.

OSU 76 Terry Miller ran wild on us; can't remember if that was the week before or after the Colorado loss, but the 76 team was young and had suffered quite a few injuries.

Stanford in 1980 we got lit up by one of the best QB's to ever play the game; we could not do anything that do to stop him.

WVA in 82 we got lit up by Jeff Hostetler; again we could do nothing to stop him that game.

I have no real recall of what happened in the 2 Missouri games

[tulsaoilerfan]

Kansas in 84 was when OU had to start Aikman; the whole team played like crap that day

[SoonerorLater]

I don't either, but I don't see any value in all the Bob/Barry comparisons. But Bob + staff the last 5 years seems much less effective than Bob + staff his first 5 years. Have to account for how the game has changed since then, but I see that it has changed that much to be the main difference.

There is no question Stoops and staff have slipped. Baylor is evidence of that. Under Stoops nose Briles has taken a perennial doormat program and has done what no Baylor coach has done before beat us twice...in three years. There isn't any question Stoops has been out coached either by deficient recruiting, poor assistant hiring or player development. Maybe all three. How does this happen? There is no built in advantage to coaching for Baylor. Would it be unreasonable to assume Art Briles is a better head coach than Bob Stoops? If so than what is Oklahoma to do?

[bluedogok]

Kansas in 84 was when OU had to start Aikman; the whole team played like crap that day
I think Danny Bradley was the starter and injured the week before against Iowa State.

[SoonerMachine]

If I remember Aikman threw 4 picks in the KU game.

[Snrinhouston]

There is no question Stoops and staff have slipped. Baylor is evidence of that. Under Stoops nose Briles has taken a perennial doormat program and has done what no Baylor coach has done before beat us twice...in three years. There isn't any question Stoops has been out coached either by deficient recruiting, poor assistant hiring or player development. Maybe all three. How does this happen? There is no built in advantage to coaching for Baylor. Would it be unreasonable to assume Art Briles is a better head coach than Bob Stoops? If so than what is Oklahoma to do?

It starts with Boren. Does Boren care about excellence foremost? Or is 8-4 or 9-3 just fine as long as revenue and attendance don't slip?

If he cares about excellence foremost, the question is can Stoops deliver it once again? I am doubtful. He's been at OU for 15 years now and is financially set for life. He doesn't have the same fears that motivated him back in 1999.

[Wishboned]

If I remember Aikman threw 4 picks in the KU game.

There were 3 interceptions and 2 fumbles.

[Soonerus]

Airman went 0-12 passing that game, I was convinced he was horrible...

[sooneron]

Back in Switzer's days, I don't remember demoralizing losses. Of course, I was young and stupid, but I wasn't demoralized. I was pissed occasionally, but I didn't watch a single college game this weekend because I knew there would be a chance that I'd be watching big boys play that would run rough shod over us. And I'd know that they were better.

[Snrinhouston]

Airman went 0-12 passing that game, I was convinced he was horrible...

I was 16 at the time, and despondent as hell over the loss. A wiser high school teacher told me don't worry, they'll have his problem fixed in Spring Practice. His point was that Aikman was relying too much on arm strength rather than touch in getting the ball past the backers and in front of the safeties. He was right.

[sooneron]

That 84 KU game was more depressing more because of what happened after it.

[Snrinhouston]

That 84 KU game was more depressing more because of what happened after it.

Stanberry/Johnson...that's right

[sooneron]

I was 16 at the time...
Same AGE!!! *highfive!*

[King Crimson]

Kansas in 75 we had 8 straight turnovers in that game; people forget that Kansas team was actually pretty good and had Nolan Cromwell running their version of the wishbone.

OSU 76 Terry Miller ran wild on us; can't remember if that was the week before or after the Colorado loss, but the 76 team was young and had suffered quite a few injuries.

Stanford in 1980 we got lit up by one of the best QB's to ever play the game; we could not do anything that do to stop him.

WVA in 82 we got lit up by Jeff Hostetler; again we could do nothing to stop him that game.

I have no real recall of what happened in the 2 Missouri games

i remember all those games except the missouri games. tho, i think phil bradley was their QB in at least one of them. great athlete. many years playing for the mariners i think. i remember Switzer losing to USC and Ohio State at home as well. i was at the 75 ku game. i watched the 76 Colorado loss at the lloyd noble center....on closed circuit tv with my dad.

[Wishboned]

I was 16 at the time, and despondent as hell over the loss. A wiser high school teacher told me don't worry, they'll have his problem fixed in Spring Practice. His point was that Aikman was relying too much on arm strength rather than touch in getting the ball past the backers and in front of the safeties. He was right.

I was in Basic Training at the time. I wasn't able to watch the games but they would let us buy the Sunday paper. I saw that Aikman started, and I was excited because I played against him for 3 years in high school. Then I saw his stats.

[King Crimson]

that Stanford game, was raining all day....my pops cut the legs and sleeves off an old golf rain suit and we were going.

game on. elway invented throwing the football against us.