Never, Never Before Such a Vile and Corrupt Administration

[soonercruiser]

The Demoncratic mantra is...."never let a crisis go unused"!
The vast majority of the vicious and poisonous language has come from Harry Reid and the left.
"If you can't argue the facts, call names and demonize the opposition"...an Alinskyian tactic at the core!
Don't look for clips of this on the popular media.

The truth is that the House of Representative has passed individual bills to funds 98% of government operations.
So who is really shutting down the government; and who has the most to gain!

So, in order to make everyone as uncomfortable as possible, the OMB decides to close national parks....even though government workers ALWAYS get back pay!
World War II memorial: Vets storm memorial, pols help

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/world-war-ii-memorial-veterans-97658.html#ixzz2gy9ueUup
https://www.google.com/#q=park+worker+told+to+make+public+as+comfortable+ as+possible&spell=1
Obama admin. knew about WWII veterans’ request and rejected it
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/obama-admin-knew-about-wwii-veterans-request-and-rejected-it/

Seven stupid things the gov’t spent money on during the shutdownRead more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/seven-stupid-things-the-govt-spent-money-on-during-the-shutdown/#ixzz2gyBLANCH


In another brilliant move, the National Park Service closed off the parking lot to Mt. Vernon, the home of the country’s first president George Washington. Since Mt. Vernon is privately owned, the NPS can’t shut down the park, so they instead opted to shut down the parking lot at the popular tourist attraction.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/seven-stupid-things-the-govt-spent-money-on-during-the-shutdown/
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/seven-stupid-things-the-govt-spent-money-on-during-the-shutdown/#ixzz2gyBZVilC

The Lincoln Memorial has NEVER been closed for the past 17 government shutdowns!

Priests threatened with arrest if they minister to military during shutdown
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/04/priests-threatened-with-arrest-if-they-minister-to-military-during-shutdown/
You've got to be kidding me???
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/04/priests-threatened-with-arrest-if-they-minister-to-military-during-shutdown/#ixzz2gyCEE5Bc

Typical Demoncratic "Caring" for the people...
Reid gives condescending reply to CNN’s Dana Bash over cancer research funding [VIDEO]
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/reid-gives-condescending-reply-to-cnns-dana-bash-over-cancer-research-funding/#ixzz2gyDk6iio

Never more such a vile and poisonous administration!

[yermom]

Obama's mistake was funding the military

that gives the republicans too much of a leash for this. there's no real pain for anyone otherwise. everyone knew everyone was going to get back pay. what does that save anyone in the end?

this is all just stupid posturing. Obama isn't going to let them defund his baby by doing nothing

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

it's about Owebamacare. I hope the repubs continue showing spine.

Yermom, you don't want to fund the military. It's one of the valid, legal activities of the federal govt...how sad. National security is paramount.

[yermom]

it's the sacred cow. it also costs us more than just about anything else

[KantoSooner]

actually, Yermom, the defense share of the national budget has been shrinking since the 1970's, I think, with a relaxation of the curve during the early 2000's. We spend much more on social/entitlement programs and debt service.

I am no fan of $1,000 toilet seats, C-17's that the airforce doesn't want (or the Sgt York battlion air defense system, anyone?), etc, etc, but the majority of those are not pushed by the military, they're insisted upon by pols whose districts stand to benefit. But the fact remains that national defense is pretty much the core rationale for a national government and is fully justified by even a casual review of any newspaper, globally, you'd hazard to scan.

Now we're getting involved in the healthcare game. And seemingly no one on either 'side' of the debate has the least intention of looking at ways to control costs. On the one hand, you have the 'whatever it costs' crowd who are apparently unaware that the bill is already big enough that 'whatever it costs' could very easily become 'more than we can possibly mint'; on the other, a bunch of people who are trying desperately to cast poverty as a Calvinist mark of Cain and don't appear to understand the connection between preventive healthcare and the increase in the health and productivity of the total herd...and, oh, by the way, happen to be heavily invested in insurance companies, large pharma, HMO's, medical device manufacturers and every other method of status quo jiggery pokery invented in 50 plus years of run away medical cost inflation.

[diverdog]

actually, Yermom, the defense share of the national budget has been shrinking since the 1970's, I think, with a relaxation of the curve during the early 2000's. We spend much more on social/entitlement programs and debt service.

I am no fan of $1,000 toilet seats, C-17's that the airforce doesn't want (or the Sgt York battlion air defense system, anyone?), etc, etc, but the majority of those are not pushed by the military, they're insisted upon by pols whose districts stand to benefit. But the fact remains that national defense is pretty much the core rationale for a national government and is fully justified by even a casual review of any newspaper, globally, you'd hazard to scan.

Now we're getting involved in the healthcare game. And seemingly no one on either 'side' of the debate has the least intention of looking at ways to control costs. On the one hand, you have the 'whatever it costs' crowd who are apparently unaware that the bill is already big enough that 'whatever it costs' could very easily become 'more than we can possibly mint'; on the other, a bunch of people who are trying desperately to cast poverty as a Calvinist mark of Cain and don't appear to understand the connection between preventive healthcare and the increase in the health and productivity of the total herd...and, oh, by the way, happen to be heavily invested in insurance companies, large pharma, HMO's, medical device manufacturers and every other method of status quo jiggery pokery invented in 50 plus years of run away medical cost inflation.

kanto:

The defense complex makes up 19% of the budget and I bet when you add in all the other secret off budget items it is close to 25%. That is a lot of money. By its own estimates the defense department cannot account for three trillion dollars. You throw in the runaway cost to fund retirement and medical care and you have an agency that is out of control. If there is one area that can stand cuts it is defense.

[FaninAma]

All government employees should return back to work now since Congress authorized paying them for all back pay after the CR and debt ceiling deal was done. Obama agreed to sign the measure.

[yermom]

why the **** isn't congress part of "the government"?

[KantoSooner]

kanto:

The defense complex makes up 19% of the budget and I bet when you add in all the other secret off budget items it is close to 25%. That is a lot of money. By its own estimates the defense department cannot account for three trillion dollars. You throw in the runaway cost to fund retirement and medical care and you have an agency that is out of control. If there is one area that can stand cuts it is defense.

And social/entitlements are, what? 30%? Debt Service is around 40%? Even accepting the 25% number (which is likely not far off) for defense, it is down from 40-50% in the 1950's and 35% as recently as the 1970's. It's grown as an absolute number yet fallen dramatically as a share of the whole.

I'd stipulate that there's a lot of waste in military spending. Fine, go after it. But is that sayinig there's none in social spending? No waste at all, for instance in Medicare? (spoiler alert: every serious study I've read agrees that somewhere around 1/3 of Medicare spending is either waste or outright stolen. Pot, meet kettle.) And let's not even get started on the more redistributive 'programs' run by our government. Then there are the vigilantly managed Block Grants that go to states and the states then give to...somebody. To do something with. Which all sort of begs the question of: if you aren't managing the resources that are being squandered today, how come you need so damn many employees to acheive this failure?

I see you cuts in defense, I raise you cuts in each and every other department in government. And we can start with Ag and Energy for two biggies. And kill the ag subsidies without further debate. ADM and Cargill do not need massive handouts in addition to the profits their near monopoly status yield already.

[soonercruiser]

it's the sacred cow. it also costs us more than just about anything else

yermon,
You are 100% correct!
It's the "Sacred Cow" of the Constitution!

[diverdog]

And social/entitlements are, what? 30%? Debt Service is around 40%? Even accepting the 25% number (which is likely not far off) for defense, it is down from 40-50% in the 1950's and 35% as recently as the 1970's. It's grown as an absolute number yet fallen dramatically as a share of the whole.

I'd stipulate that there's a lot of waste in military spending. Fine, go after it. But is that sayinig there's none in social spending? No waste at all, for instance in Medicare? (spoiler alert: every serious study I've read agrees that somewhere around 1/3 of Medicare spending is either waste or outright stolen. Pot, meet kettle.) And let's not even get started on the more redistributive 'programs' run by our government. Then there are the vigilantly managed Block Grants that go to states and the states then give to...somebody. To do something with. Which all sort of begs the question of: if you aren't managing the resources that are being squandered today, how come you need so damn many employees to acheive this failure?

I see you cuts in defense, I raise you cuts in each and every other department in government. And we can start with Ag and Energy for two biggies. And kill the ag subsidies without further debate. ADM and Cargill do not need massive handouts in addition to the profits their near monopoly status yield already.


Kanto:

No argument from me on reforming entitlements. I would add HUD to your list. Did you see 60 minutes talk about SS disability payments? Another program that needs serious reform. Debt service is 6% of the budget.

[KantoSooner]

I think we're arguing definitions here. I'd have included HUD in what I define as 'social' spending. I'd like to see the numbers on what you define as 'debt service'. I don't think we're referring to the same thing.

[diverdog]

I think we're arguing definitions here. I'd have included HUD in what I define as 'social' spending. I'd like to see the numbers on what you define as 'debt service'. I don't think we're referring to the same thing.

Are you talking about the interest payments on the debt?

[KantoSooner]

total repayment of debt.

[diverdog]

total repayment of debt.

You are right we are not talking the same thing. Lol

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The Leftist is the biggest piece of **** that has ever held office. The longer we are shut down, the less is spent. Go Cruz!!! Don't cave to the RINO's and the no balls Boehner....

[diverdog]

The Leftist is the biggest piece of **** that has ever held office. The longer we are shut down, the less is spent. Go Cruz!!! Don't cave to the RINO's and the no balls Boehner....

THA:

The pubs are committing political suicide. Root for them all you want but in the end it could cost them dearly.


.Just 24% of Americans have a positive view of the Republican Party, a Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey revealed on Thursday -- an all-time low for the GOP -- and only 21% had a positive view of the tea party movement.

[Turd_Ferguson]

but in the end it could cost them dearly.Mainly because of the MSM...

[diverdog]

Mainly because of the MSM...

ah no. They have even managed to pizz off a lot of their supporters.

[Soonerjeepman]

DD, yes, but still not voting dem...no way in hell! lol

Talk about HUD....we have 2 newly built house in the hood on tear-down lots. Before the houses were done one had the windows broken out. A week ago I drove by, a HUD employee was setting a sprinkler out on new sod. The crazy thing...SOMEONE IS LIVING THERE...and they had a HUD guy setting the sprinkler. Besides the fact I'm sure the gov paid to to have these houses built and I'm sure the folks living there are living off the gov as well.

[cleller]

For the Obama supporters; (I think there may only be a couple right here) Would there ever be a time and place that you'd draw the line on spending? You know, enough is enough, no more spending money we don't have, and have no way or plan to repay?

Would there have to be a Repub president in office?

No hidden agenda, just curious. I understand the whole argument about pulling the legs out from under the economy, but this is just persisting to an increasingly neurotic level. We'll wake up some day with a bunch of obese Americans lying on gurneys with 40,000 mile long IV lines running to banks in Singapore; where the entire populace has to rotate around the clock to keep the flow of economic plasma running to us.

[yermom]

do you have to support Obama to think the Republicans are idiots?

i just think he's the lesser of two evils

throw all the bums out. the teabaggers aren't the answer either

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

do you have to support Obama to think the Republicans are idiots?

i just think he's the lesser of two evils

throw all the bums out. the teabaggers aren't the answer eitherIf Obaama and his socialism aren't the answer, and the tea partiers(capitalism and the constitution)aren't the answer for you, then what will/should happen after throwing everyone out?

[soonercruiser]

do you have to support Obama to think the Republicans are idiots?

i just think he's the lesser of two evils

throw all the bums out. the teabaggers aren't the answer either

"Teabaggers" did a pretty good job in 1776!