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[SanJoaquinSooner]

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[SanJoaquinSooner]

gotta love the pubs' endgame on this.

start with a principled position, run with it, until you start pissing the people off, and then caving just in time to remain unpopular for the next election.

[olevetonahill]

Hey jaun

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[SanJoaquinSooner]

there ya go, vet, the pub campaign platform.

[olevetonahill]

there ya go, vet, the pub campaign platform.

Dont know about that, But I like the sentiment

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Pubs are correct on this. Obammy's and reid's numbers are so bad, they will get blamed too. Reid can suck excrement in hell, he just needs to have a medical crisis and be hospitalized for a while, IMO.

[okie52]

gotta love the pubs' endgame on this.

start with a principled position, run with it, until you start pissing the people off, and then caving just in time to remain unpopular for the next election.

Kinda agree with you juan....don't think this is the right arena for the pubs to fight this battle and will possibly lose in the polls over it. Really don't see their strategy on this.

[KantoSooner]

Okie, that's because there isn't 'a' strategy. We've got a broken Rep party. About 1/3 are tea partiers and the rest moderates of one stripe or another (fiscal conservative/social liberal, neo-con, whatever). It's looking increasingly like the TP's are going to have to form their own party and go get the hell beaten out of them for an election or two until they settle into a marathon rather than a sprint pace.

[olevetonahill]

I dont Blame the Repubs Nor the Dems. Nor the TPers . I blame the mother****in politicians :surprise:

[rock on sooner]

While the TPers are the flaming catalyst for this mess, it started with the
last shutdown 17 years ago (probably a lot farther back than that, but
that is most recent memory) with Gingrich, Armey and that bunch. It
seems that there has been in breeding...in both parties...but more with
the Pubs. The result is the arch conservatives like Paul and Cruz taking
the tail of the GOP elephant and wagging like hell......

[KantoSooner]

There's something to be said for good, old party politics. Reagan and O'Neil style, smokey back room machine politics. Not too philosophically pure, not too honest, but the government never shut down and it paid its bills mostly on time. And young firebrands tended to get pissed on until the steam stopped rising from them.

[rock on sooner]

There's something to be said for good, old party politics. Reagan and O'Neil style, smokey back room machine politics. Not too philosophically pure, not too honest, but the government never shut down and it paid its bills mostly on time. And young firebrands tended to get pissed on until the steam stopped rising from them.

Heh, well said!

[soonercruiser]

Kinda agree with you juan....don't think this is the right arena for the pubs to fight this battle and will possibly lose in the polls over it. Really don't see their strategy on this.

Dang those publicans ...keeping their election promises to their constituents!
How dare they keep their promises!
Remember - ACA, it will cost you less: you can keep your health plan; you can keep your doctor; need I go on.
You just keep this 1/6 piece of the economy that the statists now control.

[soonercruiser]

While the TPers are the flaming catalyst for this mess, it started with the
last shutdown 17 years ago (probably a lot farther back than that, but
that is most recent memory) with Gingrich, Armey and that bunch. It
seems that there has been in breeding...in both parties...but more with
the Pubs. The result is the arch conservatives like Paul and Cruz taking
the tail of the GOP elephant and wagging like hell......

Sorry! If you listen to Peloski and Harry the mind Reid, you can tell that the inbreeding has been in the Dem Party.
If Reid was ever an athelete, I bet the only thing that he could throw was insults!
Sick, hateful, demeaning insults!
That's all they've got!
"Elections have consequences"! Dems lost the House!
Read the Constitution and you might get a hint that the Founders wanted the House to control the purse strings, because they are closer to the people.

[8timechamps]

This has been comming for the past few years.

Things have gotten so bad, that it seems most of Congress care about the Rhetoric above all else. As much as I don't like the new ACA, this president was elected with the ACA being his platform. Then, the program was approved, more than once. It is law. It's just now that the few members of the Repulican party figured they could shut the government down to do what? This resolution has absolutely nothing to do with funding the ACA. It just seems this was a power play risk the Pubs took on, that has kind of backfired on them.

I would much rather have seen the Pubs come to the table (much earlier) with the Keystone pipeline and/or dissolution of the medical equipment tax in their quiver.

[FaninAma]

There's something to be said for good, old party politics. Reagan and O'Neil style, smokey back room machine politics. Not too philosophically pure, not too honest, but the government never shut down and it paid its bills mostly on time. And young firebrands tended to get pissed on until the steam stopped rising from them.

Screw that ****. Reagan caved on tax hikes and O'Neil and the Dems never followed through with the spending cuts. Same thing happened to Bush I. The time to play grab *** with committed socialists is over.

[KantoSooner]

Well, Fanin, I suggest moving to Neverland, where you control all the votes. Here in Realityville, those who agree with you control, at best, somewhere in the high teens, percentagewise. (That's Republicans holding 35% or so of the electorate and TP's having, at best, 1/3 of that. And I'm being generous. Very.)
And those who do not agree with you are neither socialists nor traitors nor evil nor bad parents. They are not lazy, they don't all lust after the governmental teat. In general, they are not any more prone to dictating to their neighbors than the religio-whack jobs who pop up with tedious regularity on the 'conservative' side of things.
They are your fellow citizens and they happen to disagree with you on a set of issues, some of them fairly important. None of them as important as we believe today. (It's interesting how, short of war, we tend to imbue the events of our times with cosmic importance. Anyone still up in arms regarding flouridation of the water supply? Um, not so much. And, guess what? No Soviet invasioni was facilitated by American kids having harder tooth enamel.)
What we have now is a small group of bomb throwers who've figured out how to throw a wrench into the gears and bring a bunch of stuff to a halt. Unless they get their way. All their way. No compromise. And we've got a group of their party leaders who have lost the will to bitch slap them back into the back row seats, where they belong.
Since they don't have the votes to impose their will, they will ultimately get pushed aside. It's a pity we have to put up with this non-productive temper tantrum in the meantime.

[FaninAma]

Well, Fanin, I suggest moving to Neverland, where you control all the votes. Here in Realityville, those who agree with you control, at best, somewhere in the high teens, percentagewise. (That's Republicans holding 35% or so of the electorate and TP's having, at best, 1/3 of that. And I'm being generous. Very.)
And those who do not agree with you are neither socialists nor traitors nor evil nor bad parents. They are not lazy, they don't all lust after the governmental teat. In general, they are not any more prone to dictating to their neighbors than the religio-whack jobs who pop up with tedious regularity on the 'conservative' side of things.
They are your fellow citizens and they happen to disagree with you on a set of issues, some of them fairly important. None of them as important as we believe today. (It's interesting how, short of war, we tend to imbue the events of our times with cosmic importance. Anyone still up in arms regarding flouridation of the water supply? Um, not so much. And, guess what? No Soviet invasioni was facilitated by American kids having harder tooth enamel.)
What we have now is a small group of bomb throwers who've figured out how to throw a wrench into the gears and bring a bunch of stuff to a halt. Unless they get their way. All their way. No compromise. And we've got a group of their party leaders who have lost the will to bitch slap them back into the back row seats, where they belong.
Since they don't have the votes to impose their will, they will ultimately get pushed aside. It's a pity we have to put up with this non-productive temper tantrum in the meantime.

No, what we have now is a bunch of greedy voters who don't give a **** about the debt they are leaving future generations and a an oligarchic collection of life-long politicians who are only too willing to give them **** in exchange for their votes with huge multi-national corporations that fund the system with campaign funds because they derive enormous profits from government deficit spending. People like you are enablers of this failing system.

You call those who oppose this failing system bomb throwers(gee where have we heard that before) . I call them patriots. Why do you think they are being attacked by the establishment media?

I think you and the other pragmatists have underestimated the anger that has developed toward this unwieldy, constantly enlarging, power sucking federal leviathan. BTW, this socialist system is a failure. It will eventually collapse under the weight of its own debt. Meanwhile you can rest comfortably for a while with your head buried firmly in the sand.

Now that's the true reality of the situation.

[KantoSooner]

Go find the votes, Fanin. So far this great upwelling of anger you talk about is limited to somewhere around 1 in 7 Americans. Last time I checked, you needed a bit over 1 in 2 to get to do things all your way.
The vast majority of Americans do not favor the TP position and are quickly growing tired of having to cater to the screeching of a small minority.
Problems we have aplenty. Solutions, too; many mutually incompatible. We can either accept a compromising style of governance or we can fold our arms and glare at any one insufficiently orthodox for our particular -ism. Although radicalism is fun for a while, sooner or later the majority tends to come to the understanding that things need to get done, and that compromise is just as patriotic and American as all the other values. Maybe moreso.

[FaninAma]

Go find the votes, Fanin. So far this great upwelling of anger you talk about is limited to somewhere around 1 in 7 Americans. Last time I checked, you needed a bit over 1 in 2 to get to do things all your way.
The vast majority of Americans do not favor the TP position and are quickly growing tired of having to cater to the screeching of a small minority.
Problems we have aplenty. Solutions, too; many mutually incompatible. We can either accept a compromising style of governance or we can fold our arms and glare at any one insufficiently orthodox for our particular -ism. Although radicalism is fun for a while, sooner or later the majority tends to come to the understanding that things need to get done, and that compromise is just as patriotic and American as all the other values. Maybe moreso.

So the legitimacy my principles should be dependent on whether they agree with the majority consensus that got this country to the point of bankruptcy? Gotcha.

[KantoSooner]

No. But the opinion of the majority does happen to be both one of our core governing principles and, at the same time, a necessary asset if one intends to run a country over any appreciable length of time.

Unless of course your view of a properly constituted America involves a group of 'right thinking' folks disenfranchising the rest of us and ruling by force of arms.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

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Talk about a donk dream team ....

I won't suggest a caption ....

[SanJoaquinSooner]

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[rock on sooner]

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Talk about a donk dream team ....

I won't suggest a caption ....

"Cruz is proud and Palin looks down, approvingly...." There, I did it fer ya!

[Soonerjeepman]

funny how the pubs are the ones who can't compromise...but when dem don't do it, it's based on principles...
obama won the election by a mere 2%..not a landslide...not 1 in 7.

The pubs have offered budgets that get 98% of gov going...obama...NO WAY, pass budget FIRST then I'll talk...wow, talk about compromise. hell obama hasn't offered a budget in what 4 years now?

[diverdog]

[QUOTE=SanJoaquinSooner[/QUOTE]

Hell, your thumb is bigger.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Hell, your thumb is bigger.

Typical lib fail...

[FaninAma]

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/Nancy%20Pelosi.jpg
This is your brain on botox.

[FaninAma]

http://www.bobpearcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/harry-reid-finger.bmp

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Good job, tea party animal pubs.

You taught those ObamaCare Bears a lesson.

[FaninAma]

Good job, tea party animal pubs.

You taught those ObamaCare Bears a lesson.

My sincere hope for you SJS is that everybody in your family has to go on the obamacare exchanges. I can assure you it will be an enjoyable experience.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

My sincere hope for you SJS is that everybody in your family has to go on the obamacare exchanges. I can assure you it will be an enjoyable experience.

Now Fanin,

I have nothing against anti-Obamacare. Personally, I think spending lots of money on old people to keep them alive doesn't make a lot of sense. Let them die with dignity like Mother Nature intended.

But pubs trying to hi-jack the debt limit negotiations with this obamacare issue was doomed to failure and did nothing to make pubs looks good.

[okie52]

I agree with you juan...I think it was a flawed strategy but the good news is the electorate has very short memories. Benghazi, NSA, Syria....

[cleller]

Ever notice how Dems often look like people you wouldn't want involved in raising your kids? (I'll admit that Geitner seems like an OK guy)

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/cs6000/liberals-democrats-dumb-hateful-funny-politics-1344146096_zpsce172508.jpg (http://s701.photobucket.com/user/cs6000/media/liberals-democrats-dumb-hateful-funny-politics-1344146096_zpsce172508.jpg.html)

[cleller]

Then there is the more important issue:

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/cs6000/Republican-DemocratWomen_zps2b684efa.jpg (http://s701.photobucket.com/user/cs6000/media/Republican-DemocratWomen_zps2b684efa.jpg.html)

I wouldn't try to start a war by looking for a picture of an ugly Repub woman. The available ammunition for ugly Dems is too overwhelming.

[okie52]

Then there is the more important issue:

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/cs6000/Republican-DemocratWomen_zps2b684efa.jpg (http://s701.photobucket.com/user/cs6000/media/Republican-DemocratWomen_zps2b684efa.jpg.html)

I wouldn't try to start a war by looking for a picture of an ugly Repub woman. The available ammunition for ugly Dems is too overwhelming.

Lol

[FaninAma]

Now Fanin,

I have nothing against anti-Obamacare. Personally, I think spending lots of money on old people to keep them alive doesn't make a lot of sense. Let them die with dignity like Mother Nature intended.

But pubs trying to hi-jack the debt limit negotiations with this obamacare issue was doomed to failure and did nothing to make pubs looks good.
No, by all means lets just continue the status quo until the entire system implodes. That will be much less catastrophic than allowing the GOP to try and force the buy-a-vote Democrats to deal with the problem now. Obamacare is expected to cost $2.7 trillion over 10 yeard per the CBO. I guarantee you it will be triple that.

You need to google the pharase Cloward-pivin economic policy. Thereis only one reason Obama and the Dems want to hoist another gargantuan debt burden onto an already sinking ship........to make that ship sink faster.

[cleller]

Universal Studios is making their horror house ride this year based on the DNC women's locker room. Talk about an inconvenient truth....